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post #241 of 1423
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Originally Posted by Shedrock View Post

Was even a single Dino killed in all last nights shooting? I saw some bones in a scene, but that one might have died from old age.

Dinosaurs are probably on the endangered species list, so they probably can't mess with them.
post #242 of 1423
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Originally Posted by 73shark View Post

Haven't watched it yet but after reading all of the posts, it appears like it will make Falling Skies look like a blockbuster. Hope it's not as bad as most are portraying.

Oh it's not that bad..yet.
Watch it and make up your mind. I did enjoy it.
post #243 of 1423
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I couldn't help but think how great "Bronto-burgers" or "T-Ribs" must taste; maybe the humans will eat them out of existence..
post #244 of 1423
Just watched it and thought it was pretty good- better than the Fallen Skies premiere at any rate. Decent enough for TV fare at any rate.
post #245 of 1423
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Originally Posted by zarg7883 View Post

And the constellations are different. True, but not just because of the expansion of the universe like that airhead said. More like due to the Sun's movement among the local stars, and galactic rotation helping things a little bit as well.

Obvious technical errors to any amateur astronomer piss me off. Similar the larger moon. Back then only 1% larger, NOT noticeable. Get it right when you're spending millions.
post #246 of 1423
I was a little surprised and disappointed by several aspects of Terra Nova. The dinosaur effects were just not very good. It's hard for me to believe that the BBC, for example, can make Walking with Dinosaurs a few years ago and do a MUCH better CGI job. The dinosaurs in Terra Nova looked plasticy and cartoony.

There were several very sloppy "green screen" effects. Some characters in supposed "outdoor" scenes were lighted as if they were in a studio in front of a background. Just eyebrow raising awful, IMO.

How can dinosaurs not be affected AT ALL from high-powered weaponry from the year 2149? I just don't get it. I don't think a single dinosaur died from be shot hundreds of times from large caliber bullets. Where were those high powered laser devices shown earlier in the episode? You mean to tell me that in the year 2149, they can't put up a laser perimeter? Seriously? Just very inconsistent and unrealistic.

Josh, the teenage boy with Daddy issues, is just awful. Hate it. And why is it that almost EVERY sci-fi show has a teenage boy with Daddy issues? Drives me crazy. It's as annoying as hell. He also needs to see a good psychiatrist because his Daddy-relationship pendulum swings from one extreme to the other throughout the episode. What's with that? Do we have more than one writer working on his script? If I were the actor reading through the script, I would think, "WTH, this doesn't make any sense. Am I playing the part of a total lunatic?"

At least the little girl wasn't screaming all the time.
post #247 of 1423
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Originally Posted by philw1776 View Post

Obvious technical errors to any amateur astronomer piss me off. Similar the larger moon. Back then only 1% larger, NOT noticeable. Get it right when you're spending millions.

Yeah, that was one BIG moon.
post #248 of 1423
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Originally Posted by ricwhite View Post

Yeah, that was one BIG moon.

That's no moon.
post #249 of 1423
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Originally Posted by ricwhite View Post

Do we have more than one writer working on his script? If I were the actor reading through the script, I would think, "WTH, this doesn't make any sense. Am I playing the part of a total lunatic?"

Are you being serious? Have you not been following the show's journey through the meat grinder?

TN has been shot, reshot and rewritten probably several times. As Alan Sepinwall reports:
That earlier version of the show I saw featured a more fractured Shannon marriage, in which Jim and Elisabeth had gone to Terra Nova in part to get a fresh start for their troubled union.

and

The first version of the pilot I saw made Zoe's existence into a very effective surprise at the end of a tense action sequence, but the writers went back and piled a bunch of clumsy expository scenes in front of that.

Who knows what else was thrown in the mix over the past year or two. The initial draft was first effort script from a minor actor so it probably didn't start off as a stellar piece of writing to begin with. What's left is the result of a lot of hands all throwing in their ink.
post #250 of 1423
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Originally Posted by visionon View Post

are you being serious? Have you not been following the show's journey through the meat grinder?

yes

no

post #251 of 1423
A note on the lack of originality aspect, for those of you who have seen the UK's "Outcasts", the resemblance in story lines is striking,

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With Earth rapidly becoming uninhabitable, pioneers seek to colonize the harsh terrain of the planet Carpathia. 10 years later, the town of Forthaven faces danger as the planet's dark secrets...

sound familiar? There's even an equivalent to the people living outside of the compound as there is in "Terra Nova".

And for my money, the writing on "Outcasts" was far superior than this Saturday matinee dreck. It's really too bad there's not much audience for true, serious, sci-fi on TV anymore, "Fringe" being the lone standout currently.
post #252 of 1423
Had so much potential, but it was an absolute letdown. Even moreso considering they spent $20 million on that pilot. Somebody needs to lose their job over this disaster.

When you throw a dorky girl in a pilot that costs a hell of a lot less than $20 million and get 50% better ratings (New Girl) that's not a good sign for networks to try expensive drama pilots again. All because FOX really F'd this one up.
post #253 of 1423
This one is destined for cancellation anyways. In a few months FOX will claim budgeting concerns and cut the cord.
post #254 of 1423
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

A note on the lack of originality aspect, for those of you who have seen the UK's "Outcasts", the resemblance in story lines is striking

Yeah but what about this?
Two hundred years into the future, Devon Adair embarks on a mission to save her son's life and to provide humanity with a second chance. After traveling through space for twenty-two years, Devon and her small Advance team are forced to crash-land onto the far-away planet known as G-889. They are thousands of miles from their destination: New Pacifica, where they're supposed to set up a colony for the 250 families that are following. The survivors start out on a long and perilous journey toward New Pacifica. During their journey they will learn a lot about the mysteries of their new home and themselves.
Anyone remember that from 1995? Also contained secret organizations wanting to take control of the project for their own ends?

So TN isn't copying anything specific, it's copying everything and just another in a long line of similar shows with the colony premise.

At this point it's hard to see any trace of anything original at all.
post #255 of 1423
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

Yeah but what about this?
Two hundred years into the future, Devon Adair embarks on a mission to save her son's life and to provide humanity with a second chance. After traveling through space for twenty-two years, Devon and her small Advance team are forced to crash-land onto the far-away planet known as G-889. They are thousands of miles from their destination: New Pacifica, where they're supposed to set up a colony for the 250 families that are following. The survivors start out on a long and perilous journey toward New Pacifica. During their journey they will learn a lot about the mysteries of their new home and themselves.
Anyone remember that from 1995? Also contained secret organizations wanting to take control of the project for their own ends?

So TN isn't copying anything specific, it's copying everything and just another in a long line of similar shows with the colony premise.

At this point it's hard to see any trace of anything original at all.

Devon changed her name to Beverly and ended up in Eureka. I really did like Earth 2.
post #256 of 1423
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

Yeah but what about this?
Two hundred years into the future, Devon Adair embarks on a mission to save her son's life and to provide humanity with a second chance. After traveling through space for twenty-two years, Devon and her small Advance team are forced to crash-land onto the far-away planet known as G-889. They are thousands of miles from their destination: New Pacifica, where they're supposed to set up a colony for the 250 families that are following. The survivors start out on a long and perilous journey toward New Pacifica. During their journey they will learn a lot about the mysteries of their new home and themselves.
Anyone remember that from 1995? Also contained secret organizations wanting to take control of the project for their own ends?

So TN isn't copying anything specific, it's copying everything and just another in a long line of similar shows with the colony premise.

At this point it's hard to see any trace of anything original at all.

And that's the major problem with TN in my opinion, way too many cooks in the kitchen, none of which apparently, has been able to project a truly dynamic, singular vision of the show resulting in the off-the-shelf, homogenized, processed garbage we saw last night. And then there's the whole Brannon Braga angle, which sci-fi fans know all too well how that usually ends up.

It's too bad, as like others who have posted here, I really wanted to see an intelligently written, serious sci-fi TV show, not something that looks like I've already seen it years ago...

Given that FOX ordered 13 eps from the get-go I guess it will air at least until the winter break, but I'll be surprised if TN is on the schedule in the spring.
post #257 of 1423
Spielberg + TV = high budget crap.

Ok, sometimes it approaches mediocrity, but usually it's crap.
post #258 of 1423
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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

Spielberg + TV = high budget crap.

Ok, sometimes it approaches mediocrity, but usually it's crap.

I agree, and one has to wonder if Spielberg has(had) daddy issues.
post #259 of 1423
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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

Spielberg + TV = high budget crap.

Ok, sometimes it approaches mediocrity, but usually it's crap.

SeaQuest DSV was Spielberg as well, right?

I figure someone originally had the idea of turning Jurassic Park into a TV series, but as there have already been 3 JP movies, it got morphed into sort of a remake of Land Of The Lost, done JP-style. Then Braga and others got involved, adding the going back to the Cretaceous concept, and from there it evolved into what we got now.

I saw the rest of it tonight, it's what I thought it would be, basically Spielbergian "family SF". It's pretty ridiculous, but I like Jason O'Mara. The "Sixers" seem to be the principle on-going storyline, and while it ain't no LOST by far, it's what will keep me watching for now.
post #260 of 1423
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Originally Posted by DrDon View Post

They even found a younger version of Evangeline Lily.

I know i'm replying to a comment that's a few weeks old, but it wasn't addressed...

I assume you're talking about the actress playing Skye - Allison Miller - who (surprisingly) happens to be a year OLDER than Evangeline Lily was (25) when Lost started.
post #261 of 1423
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Originally Posted by IceAgeTom View Post

SeaQuest DSV was Spielberg as well, right?

Yeah, it seems Spielberg just can't seem to do sci-fi well. I think Minority Report is his one anomaly (A.I. isn't really his anyways) - the rest of his sci-fi is loaded with cheeze of one sort or another.
post #262 of 1423
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Originally Posted by DaveFi View Post

Yeah, it seems Spielberg just can't seem to do sci-fi well. I think Minority Report is his one anomaly (A.I. isn't really his anyways) - the rest of his sci-fi is loaded with cheeze of one sort or another.

Even Close Encounters and E.T.?
post #263 of 1423
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E.T., yes. Close Encounters, no.
post #264 of 1423
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

And for my money, the writing on "Outcasts" was far superior than this Saturday matinee dreck.

While I will watch TN tonight, I have to agree that Outcasts was really well written, not a bit of hokey, cliched, dumbed down aspects to the story. Very thought-provoking, with the lead-in to an interesting gaia-type planet alien life entity and a confrontation with a political foe on the horizon. We enjoyed the 8 episodes on Blu-ray & wished it hadn't been canceled by BBC. It had great potential.

Acting was superb, maybe a touch of soap but just enough to make the characters interesting. Jamie Bomber was in the 1st episode. Some said it moved too slow, but we thought it was excellently paced. Setting was live sets in South Africa, not fake cgi stuff, and landscapes really made you think this could be an alien world.

For some of us wanting serious SF, it's worth watching even tho it was cut before its prime...not the same style as Firefly at all but the same result

In my heart, I know TN won't even come close to the realism that was portrayed in Outcasts. TN's target audience isn't the same. The basic premise is silly in a Dr Who sort of way but what they do with it is the key for the show.

I only hope Terra Nova has better acting than The Event
post #265 of 1423
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Originally Posted by rezzy View Post

E.T., yes. Close Encounters, no.

+1

CEOTTK is a classic, capturing the wonder of contemplating life elsewhere & the universe. ET is cheesy, cutesy fare for kids.
post #266 of 1423
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

Yeah but what about this?
Two hundred years into the future, Devon Adair embarks on a mission to save her son's life and to provide humanity with a second chance. After traveling through space for twenty-two years, Devon and her small Advance team are forced to crash-land onto the far-away planet known as G-889. They are thousands of miles from their destination: New Pacifica, where they're supposed to set up a colony for the 250 families that are following. The survivors start out on a long and perilous journey toward New Pacifica. During their journey they will learn a lot about the mysteries of their new home and themselves.
Anyone remember that from 1995? Also contained secret organizations wanting to take control of the project for their own ends?

So TN isn't copying anything specific, it's copying everything and just another in a long line of similar shows with the colony premise.

At this point it's hard to see any trace of anything original at all.

Coincidences....after finishing Outcasts, we just started watching Earth 2. I had never watched it when it ran in the 90's.
post #267 of 1423
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Originally Posted by rezzy View Post

I couldn't help but think how great "Bronto-burgers" or "T-Ribs" must taste; maybe the humans will eat them out of existence..

If humans get a foothold in that time-period and start to spread out, especially with such a huge technological head-start, I think it's a safe bet any dinosaurs that aren't small enough or smart enough to be domesticated won't survive another thousand years, much less the next 20 million. As we're now beginning to understand, humans are really good at generating mass extinctions of lesser species. And they're all lesser species to us. If the show makes it, that may be a future plot-line.
post #268 of 1423
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Originally Posted by asterion View Post

That's no moon.

Meaning it's a matte painting?

Agree with the previous comments by keenan and ss9001 about the BBC's 'Outcasts'. Very similar setup and plotline, but much more gritty and compelling. If you removed the Speilbergian hokum from TN (and uber-hack Brannon Braga - how does this guy still get work?), you might have been able to create a show that real sci-fi fans could get behind. Unfortunately, that would probably guarantee an even smaller audience.
post #269 of 1423
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Originally Posted by Viventis View Post

The son didn't want to go at all. Line: "If dad doesn't show up do we HAVE TO GO." He didn't want to leave his girlfriend. He was angry at his dad for losing his cool and punching the population control cop. Very typical teenage boy behavior.

Yes he was upset over the GF, but no im not buying the whole angry part in the way they approach it so far. Sorry going back 85 mil years so you can run off with dinos with big pointy teeth and be all emo is not going to cut it.

Sorry military brat here, never knew anyone run off in a mine field to spite daddy.

I will give Fallen skies props on the father/son relationship. It was just the first show they have time to fix it. Don't want anything as bad a V on the whole son parent dynamic.
post #270 of 1423
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

Meaning it's a matte painting?

Agree with the previous comments by keenan and ss9001 about the BBC's 'Outcasts'. Very similar setup and plotline, but much more gritty and compelling. If you removed the Speilbergian hokum from TN (and uber-hack Brannon Braga - how does this guy still get work?), you might have been able to create a show that real sci-fi fans could get behind. Unfortunately, that would probably guarantee an even smaller audience.

I think he was making a Star Wars comment about "Thats no moon"

Yes Outcasts was slow but very enjoyable and very much more gritty. Good stuff.
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