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post #1021 of 1093
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Originally Posted by TMcG View Post

SM2K - is that rolloff a function of any kind of equalization / DSP / room correction you have or is that a function of the speaker? Have you had the room professionally calibrated so that you could see / hear that super low-end response with the sub-sonic roll off?

It seems to be the natural response of the driver. I Have not had a pro calibration done, but do have my own tools to see the roll-off. I use the Dayton Omnimic. I guess its possible that the mic rolls off at 20hz but its supposed to be good to 5hz. I still notice quite a bit of deep subsonic stuff so it is clearly there. With the EQ, I was able to boost a bit below 20hz and also cut above 20 hz to smooth it out down below 20. With that much headroom its not a problem to boost below 20hz. Still cannot hit the drivers limits even with subsonic boost. I've tried not to do too much though for fear of clipping the amp.
post #1022 of 1093
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guess I will have to unwrap my avengers and watch it then. Still on 55" Panasonic plasma GT30. No where near as fun as you all. On my TV there is bars on top and bottom of most 3D are you saying that avengers is 16x9?

Yes. Avengers & Avatar specifically are 2 blockbusters which were done in 16:9 for 3D. I believe Prometheus (like it or not) will be 2.40:1
post #1023 of 1093
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Pretty much all of the Animated 3D movies are decent in 3D. The IMAX "Under the Sea" is a good one. You get both amazing depth underwater and some great pop-outs. Also, the Avengers had some good 3D in it, though most of it is the Avatar-ish depth 3D. I'd much rather a movie come in scope than be 3D. All of these epic movies coming out in 16:9 due to 3D is pissing me off.

Yes I was really disappointed that Avengers was in 16:9. I was really surprised by that. I was also disappointed in the bass. The Bass in Avengers is high passed at 30hz. Not much of anything below 20 hz in that movie. I've had 3 different viewings of Avengers with different guests and all have walked away impressed with the Bass, but its nothing compared to many other releases. Given the content it could have been amazing if they had mixed Avengers like The Incredible Hulk was. Don't get me wrong - it still has impressive bass and lots of it, just not the pants flapping hair vibrating deep stuff. After one viewing of Avengers, people were commenting about how incredible bass in Avengers was so I popped in The Incredible Hulk on the sonic cannon scene, The difference in the depth and impact was immediately clear.
post #1024 of 1093
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Yes I was really disappointed that Avengers was in 16:9. I was really surprised by that. I was also disappointed in the bass. The Bass in Avengers is high passed at 30hz. Not much of anything below 20 hz in that movie. I've had 3 different viewings of Avengers with different guests and all have walked away impressed with the Bass, but its nothing compared to many other releases. Given the content it could have been amazing if they had mixed Avengers like The Incredible Hulk was. Don't get me wrong - it still has impressive bass and lots of it, just not the pants flapping hair vibrating deep stuff. After one viewing of Avengers, people were commenting about how incredible bass in Avengers was so I popped in The Incredible Hulk on the sonic cannon scene, The difference in the depth and impact was immediately clear.

Yeah I use my Audyssey for my EQ, but I never know until the movie is done if the bass will be right. Some movies have awesome bass. Others it is lacking. I always use Jurassic Park as an example of how I like bass. When the T-Rex showed up and it felt like the whole theater was going to crash down on you... that's how bass should be!!! When I saw Battleship, some of the scenes had amazing audio, but not the sonic-boom bass I'd expect from those huge cannons.

I'd like an easy way on my remote to boost the bass. Maybe there is an easy way but I dont know it.
post #1025 of 1093
that sucks did you look at the BD that comes with it? I will have to see if the BD is scope. Weird that it was scope in the theater.
post #1026 of 1093
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The BD version is 16:9.
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that sucks did you look at the BD that comes with it? I will have to see if the BD is scope. Weird that it was scope in the theater.

It was filmed as 1.85:1. So if it was "Scope" in the theater, it was cropped to make it that way. That was sort of my point. A lot of big movies that would normally be scope are now 16:9 due to Cameron's 3D statement when he made Avatar, stating that most people at home will have HDTV's and he wanted it to be full screen on those TVs. In addition, IMAX has also become a marketing fad now too. If you saw The Dark Knight rises recently, you would notice the scenes that were full screen looked great, which were IMAX 16:9, but half of the movie was scope, and it did not look good on a real IMAX screen. It was too washed out. It's easier to show a movie on IMAX if it is 16:9, and it is a lot of extra revenue to sell IMAX priced tickets.
post #1029 of 1093
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Yeah its just something those of us with scope screens are going to have to deal with. I'd rather it be totally in 16:9 than have the aspect ratio switch back and forth between 16:9 and scope like Tron Legacy or Dark Knight.
post #1030 of 1093
Yes, whoever thought switching aspect ratios on the consumer release was a good idea... rolleyes.gif
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Yeah its just something those of us with scope screens are going to have to deal with. I'd rather it be totally in 16:9 than have the aspect ratio switch back and forth between 16:9 and scope like Tron Legacy or Dark Knight.

I was just about to say this ^

post #1032 of 1093
Stock - what are you using for EQ for your IB subs?
post #1033 of 1093
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Stock - what are you using for EQ for your IB subs?

I'm using the behringer DSP1124P.
post #1034 of 1093
What are your dip switches set at for your behringer amp?
post #1035 of 1093
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What are your dip switches set at for your behringer amp?

I'll have to check them when I get home - If I remember correctly the manual is wrong, but the silkscreen on the back of the amp is correct.
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I'll have to check them when I get home - If I remember correctly the manual is wrong, but the silkscreen on the back of the amp is correct.

Stock, did you have a chance to check the Behringer settings?
post #1037 of 1093
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Stock, did you have a chance to check the Behringer settings?

No sorry haven't checked it yet. Are you running your amp in parallel mode? (only hooked up to input 1)? That is how I have mine configured - Not bridged but in parallel mode.
I'll double check my settings and confirm, but in parallel mode you want to make sure switch 3 is to the right (Low cut off) and 4 and 5 are to the right. I think I turned my clip limiter off.

Pretty sure my settings are

1 - Left
2 - Right (doesn't matter if 3 is right)
3 - Right
4 and 5 - Right
6 and 7 - Left
8 - Right
9 - Right
10 - Left

8,9, and 10 do not matter in parallel mode.
post #1038 of 1093
I split the output from my receiver and plugged one into each input. So I don't have to do this? I can just use one cable? I'll take a look tonight and see if I can set it up like you stated above. Wouldn't it be beneficial to have the clip limiter on?
post #1039 of 1093
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I split the output from my receiver and plugged one into each input. So I don't have to do this? I can just use one cable? I'll take a look tonight and see if I can set it up like you stated above. Wouldn't it be beneficial to have the clip limiter on?

I just checked my settings - they are all switched to the right except 6 and 7. So I do have the clip limiter on. You can run the output of your receiver to input one and run in parallel mode and it will produce the same signal on channel 2.
post #1040 of 1093
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Originally Posted by stockmonkey2000 View Post

I just checked my settings - they are all switched to the right except 6 and 7. So I do have the clip limiter on. You can run the output of your receiver to input one and run in parallel mode and it will produce the same signal on channel 2.

Awesome! Thanks for the help. I will check mine out tonight and see how they compare and then make the change to what you have.
post #1041 of 1093
Just catching up on your thread. Everything turned out really nicely. Good job.
post #1042 of 1093
SM2K - Why did you pick the DSP1124P for your sub equilization? I am trying to pick between that and the FBQ2496 since I have seen both used. There is about a 50% premium for the FBQ so I'm just curious about your thoughts on the DSP and it's ease of use/capabilities. Thanks.
post #1043 of 1093
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SM2K - Why did you pick the DSP1124P for your sub equilization? I am trying to pick between that and the FBQ2496 since I have seen both used. There is about a 50% premium for the FBQ so I'm just curious about your thoughts on the DSP and it's ease of use/capabilities. Thanks.

I bought the 1124p several years ago to EQ a few DIY subs - I picked it up for cheap and it seemed like a good solution at the time. I've looked into other options and might consider something else in the future - I'd really like to get something that I can have multiple settings that can be remote controlled. The only thing I know of that fits that bill right now is the velodyne eq. The remote functionality for that is nice but the actual EQ is less robust than the 1124. The 1124 was difficult for me to figure out but once I got it down its pretty easy. I'm sure there are better options out there, but the 1124 ended up doing the job for me. For the price its hard to beat.
post #1044 of 1093
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Originally Posted by stockmonkey2000 View Post

I bought the 1124p several years ago to EQ a few DIY subs - I picked it up for cheap and it seemed like a good solution at the time. I've looked into other options and might consider something else in the future - I'd really like to get something that I can have multiple settings that can be remote controlled. The only thing I know of that fits that bill right now is the velodyne eq. The remote functionality for that is nice but the actual EQ is less robust than the 1124. The 1124 was difficult for me to figure out but once I got it down its pretty easy. I'm sure there are better options out there, but the 1124 ended up doing the job for me. For the price its hard to beat.

Thanks for the info SM2K - this one is useful to me as well.
post #1045 of 1093
Thanks for the response. I will do a little more research on the 1124p. Since I will need to get a mic and stuff also, the 1124p will allow me to get all of that and probably come in at about the same price as the 2496.
post #1046 of 1093
Take a look here if you haven't yet:

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/bfd-electronic-equalization-devices/59290-bfd-versions-fbq1000-vs-fbq2496.html

I've been using an FBQ2496, works great - but if I had read the above link before I bought, I might choose differently (presets).
post #1047 of 1093
Interesting info - Thanks Brad!
post #1048 of 1093
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Originally Posted by Brad Horstkotte View Post

Take a look here if you haven't yet:
http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/bfd-electronic-equalization-devices/59290-bfd-versions-fbq1000-vs-fbq2496.html
I've been using an FBQ2496, works great - but if I had read the above link before I bought, I might choose differently (presets).

The lack of presets would be a deal killer for me. I have my subs running hot for movies but I also have a flatter music setting. There have been a few times I have run the music setting for a movie because it seemed overboard on the bass. It would be really nice to be able to switch presets by remote.
post #1049 of 1093
SM2k - How are you liking your Jamestown screen now that you have the correct size? Anything you don't like about it? How is the centerstage material?
post #1050 of 1093
Stock,

What thickness material did you use to build the arc on your stage?
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