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post #181 of 319
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post
They're banning modified systems.

So if you jailbreak, stay off the PSN and block all ports to that device if it's on your network.
well that won't help with mw2, since those hacks existed long before the jailbreak did. hopefully iw's patch actually works. i don't actually doubt that it will work. but for how long is the question.
post #182 of 319
Yes, Smoke. One ****** game coming to an end is definite proof that hacking is the worst thing ever.

Honestly, your recent posts about how you've been victimized just basically show me (and a few people) that you're a) paranoid b) will not come to reason. So I'm basically done arguing with you for those two reasons; however, I will still suggest you need to step back and be more realistic about the world around you, proper definition and usage of your words, and learn PROPER etiquette when talking to other people.
post #183 of 319
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Yes, Smoke. One ****** game coming to an end is definite proof that hacking is the worst thing ever.

Honestly, your recent posts about how you've been victimized just basically show me (and a few people) that you're a) paranoid b) will not come to reason. So I'm basically done arguing with you for those two reasons; however, I will still suggest you need to step back and be more realistic about the world around you, proper definition and usage of your words, and learn PROPER etiquette when talking to other people.

Man, im being nice, only *******s attack others over an internet forum and that I am not.

Paranoid is basically what this whole topic comes down too, but I guess you are too concerned with the way i type to recognize that!

I can show you multiple games that have been hacked or done faulty but I showed you a game people actually do care about to play beside COD's. I spend my $60 just aswell as anyone else here does when it comes to gaming and enjoying it as a hobby, but it upsets me that the potential for online gaming can get even more worse than it is.

Some of the stuff hackers do ruins it for everyone, and people in society make bad names for themselves that yuo do not wanna run across them ever again if you can avoid it.

What games do you actually enjoy playing online may I ask?

Just think about hat for a hot second and take a step back the next time you go to purchase a game for its online functions. Once you think about how this scene will turnout, will purchase the game still or step back from online gaming in general?

I know people who stopped playing Madden online when people figured out how to "make you disconnect from the server when you are winning and give you the loss and put a quit on your online profile"!

Now people are capable of obtaining trophies they havent earned and some more ****. I been keeping this topic civil regardless how you feel i should type out my words and sentences.

While my analogies seem to be too far fetched for you guys to comprehend, its quite better than using the "race card" to get my point across to how the name "hacker" is in comparison. Yes there are some good hackers who do good in this world, and they are outnumbered compared to the bad ones.

So, what did you learn from my posts this week fellas?

That you are sick and tired of reading my text and hearing me spout against this jailbreak/hacking/homebrew crap. Thats just a taste of how I feel about the situation! Put me on ignore or dont type back to me at all, I wish it was that easy when I go hop on socom, madden, or cod and try to enjoy myself and have a fun game of whatever. But just like I ruined this thread for you guys in here that are keeping it on track, thats how I feel when my game gets all thrown off track because someone feels they should play and win at all cost.

Its annoying and not fun at all, most games dont have private lobbies to play in online to keep the BS out, but a majority of people who play online wants to know how well they stack up against the general online population.

If you dont understand that, then like I said before, have at it with hacking and homebrewing and in a very short time you will be here or on another forum complaining. Step back and realize that people just bought PS3's to only play GT5, so if that games comes under a hack or exploit, would you blame them for crying and complaining about that "1 game" they own to play online and enjoy themselves, since the 1 game i posted must warrant it not being valid to discussion since I have to own or play more than 1 game to make my point valid about hacking.
post #184 of 319
If you insist,

TF2 (pc) #1 most played
WoW (PC)
CoD (PC)
BF:BC2 (PC)
FIFA (all)
Forza 3 (360)
Gears of War 2 (360)
League of Legends (PC)
WarCraft 3 (PC)
StarCraft 1+2 (PC)
Little Big Planet
FFXI (PC)
Minecraft (PC)
Diablo 2 (PC)
Quake (PC)
Garry's Mod (PC)

Most of these games (that's just a small amount of games I have in my collection) have their fair share of cheaters and exploiters, especially TF2. If someone was cheating, I usually a) report it or b) move on to another server/game.

It is not a big deal.

e: in regards to your comparison to our experience in your thread-shitting and your gaming experience being ruined. Apples and oranges. The "hackers" were being malicious. You're just being obtuse.
post #185 of 319
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Originally Posted by quaint bucket View Post

and learn PROPER etiquette when talking to other people.

I guess your post could be used as a template, Mr. Pot?

At least his posts are entertaining as he helps beat this decaying zombie equine of a topic.
post #186 of 319
@SmokeCapone

I still fail to realize how someone jailbreaking their console hurts you?

All games online are going to have exploits and cheese. The madden thing is a problem in alot of sports games and always has been. EA could easily correct this by giving the person who disconnects a loss. The same problem was horrible in the first UFC. I don't care if your connection really was the problem you get a loss for having a ****** connection.


People hacking trophies? Who freakin cares? Really it bothers you that someone you don't know has some make believe online trophies?

Honestly though the consoles need better grief reporting for cheating etc. I don't play call of duty but hear they are on the ball with permabanning people from black ops servers.

You are entitled to your opinions and I respect those. Before long all the CFW users will be off PSN anyways. Too many kids just think they get to have it all. Its either CFW or PSN.
post #187 of 319
Yes, everyone should, at the very least, attempt live up to my stellar internet standards I have exercised diplomatically before the plebeians.
post #188 of 319
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Originally Posted by bassmonkeee View Post

At least his posts are entertaining

His posts were entertaining right up until they weren't.
post #189 of 319
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@SmokeCapone

I still fail to realize how someone jailbreaking their console hurts you?

All games online are going to have exploits and cheese. The madden thing is a problem in alot of sports games and always has been. EA could easily correct this by giving the person who disconnects a loss. The same problem was horrible in the first UFC. I don't care if your connection really was the problem you get a loss for having a ****** connection.


People hacking trophies? Who freakin cares? Really it bothers you that someone you don't know has some make believe online trophies?

Honestly though the consoles need better grief reporting for cheating etc. I don't play call of duty but hear they are on the ball with permabanning people from black ops servers.

You are entitled to your opinions and I respect those. Before long all the CFW users will be off PSN anyways. Too many kids just think they get to have it all. Its either CFW or PSN.

I dont care if you want to hack your PS3 for homebrew, but you should already know what you're doing before you decide to go online and share how far you have come with your progress and someone else ends up using it for other intents.

As with Socom and the few other games you mention, yes its easy going to another server to find games, but not everyone has that kind of time and most often no one really wants to play in rooms with no rewards (you know, the stuff that keeps you playing besides it being fun) and be put in a corner of sorts by the cheaters. They take over online games as if they own them and see no wrong with it.

The trophy issue is cheap and pathetic, just brought it up for the sake of it happening due to the jailbreaking. If im entertaining folks here then good to know, but its sad that people cant realize what you deem harmless is outweighed by those who who do it harm, and that can be by just 1 person.

Call up on the phone, skype, yahoo messenger, or whatever and get info on the homebrew. But posting it out in the open is what kills it off and have lurkers out there waiting for that right bit of info to be posted.

But you know what you fail to even answer to this whole debate...

Whats the freaking point of homebrewing on the PS3 for anyway?

Is it really neccessary?

Is it worth it?

Im just as paranoid as Sony is and they have every right to be as aggressive as they are with this situation. One bad apple ruined the bunch for the homebrew crowd (all 100 of you), go and be mad at that bad apple!

But i dont see anyone who truly cares about homebrew as much as the ones here do, go and throw stones at the guys who are responsible for forcing sony to shut it down like they did. But you can come in and beat up on my way of typing and my analogies of the situation without a care in the world while the guys who are responsible for all this are asking for freaking donations!

Instead of trying to help sony solve the problem, you wanna get mad and help make the issue even more of a problem than it needs to be. No one has came to any conclusions except (hire me or ill unleash hell) the threats and blackmails they send to sony.

But i guess all this if for shits and giggles on part of the "mad hacker/ homebrewer".

Have you ever thought about that? Dont lash out at me, lash out at those guys who made your gaming/linux life hell right now!
post #190 of 319
^^^ I didn't know Charlie Sheen played PS3 and was an AVSF member ....
post #191 of 319
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Originally Posted by SmokeCapone View Post
I dont care if you want to hack your PS3 for homebrew, but you should already know what you're doing before you decide to go online and share how far you have come with your progress and someone else ends up using it for other intents.
You seem to care if we want to hack our PS3s because clearly piracy/hacking is the same as cheating.

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Originally Posted by SmokeCapone View Post
As with Socom and the few other games you mention, yes its easy going to another server to find games, but not everyone has that kind of time and most often no one really wants to play in rooms with no rewards (you know, the stuff that keeps you playing besides it being fun) and be put in a corner of sorts by the cheaters. They take over online games as if they own them and see no wrong with it.
It literally takes like 5 seconds to change servers. As far as the reward thing goes, isn't that kinda the same as the situation we described with a forced decision between "Update OFW or don't play on PSN" in regards to dumping OtherOS? Think about that.

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The trophy issue is cheap and pathetic
Goddammit, I need to make sure my electronic data retain its emotional value so I can brag about something nobody will care about. Basically this is a non-issue.

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but its sad that people cant realize what you deem harmless is outweighed by those who who do it harm, and that can be by just 1 person.
Refer to the analogy on the last page with the burning candle.

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But posting it out in the open is what kills it off and have lurkers out there waiting for that right bit of info to be posted.
Pinnacle of paranoia right there. Little Brother is waiting to steal your info.

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Originally Posted by SmokeCapone View Post
But you know what you fail to even answer to this whole debate...

Whats the freaking point of homebrewing on the PS3 for anyway?

Is it really neccessary?

Is it worth it?
Convienence and functionality. Necessary? Depends on who you asked. Is it worth it? Same answer.

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Originally Posted by SmokeCapone View Post
Im just as paranoid as Sony is and they have every right to be as aggressive as they are with this situation. One bad apple ruined the bunch for the homebrew crowd (all 100 of you), go and be mad at that bad apple!
No, I think you're just paranoid. Sony is making a kneejerk reaction instead of analyzing why the problem is there in the first.

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But i dont see anyone who truly cares about homebrew as much as the ones here do, go and throw stones at the guys who are responsible for forcing sony to shut it down like they did.
The support you see here is just a fraction of the community out there who actually support this on whole. Just because you see it at places you go to doesn't mean it's the only place it occurs. Again, nobody forced Sony to react the way they did. That was their decision.

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Instead of trying to help sony solve the problem, you wanna get mad and help make the issue even more of a problem than it needs to be.
Ok, do suggest how we can help.

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But i guess all this if for shits and giggles on part of the "mad hacker/ homebrewer".

Have you ever thought about that? Dont lash out at me, lash out at those guys who made your gaming/linux life hell right now!
Yeah, I've thought about it and I think you're being unrealistic.
post #192 of 319
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Originally Posted by HawaiianHDaddict View Post

^^^ I didn't know Charlie Sheen played PS3 and was an AVSF member ....

Mind ya business, i havent read anything from you regarding this subject since I been posting, so dont come in here and bandwagon on me with your friends. Come with something original first, you missed your opportunity!


On to you quaint...

Nice way to brush off my posts in regards to how you can help! Its pretty much the same way you been attacking sony on this forum and probably others ever since this whole mess started.

There is still no answer from you regarding the question of "why havent you attacked failed overflow or geo"! Instead you come here to try and make people understand that the 1% of you who used linux were really accomplishing something with it.

Show me whats been the greatest accomplishment thus far from all this homebrew mess you guys have done up until the it was "optionally removed"?

I would really love to see what it is you guys have achieved that is soo precious to the world of gaming and making things a whole lot easier for the homebrew crowd.

I havent seen nothing come from homebrew on the PS3 that was just "groundbreaking" or a "must have app" that will make gaming on our consoles much easier than it is!

I dunno about you or anyone else here, but i have no problems with the way my console performs. I put a game in and said game gets played and its the same with blu rays and netflix. I agree the browser sucks, but there is a rumored update for that coming in the next few months and I have a PC to use for browsing or typing like 'charlie sheen'!

Quit beating around the bush and get to the point, you either have something that has changed the interface of gaming consoles thats well worth the time and energy spent arguing me (who is really nobody) down about the possibilities of PSN becoming hacked and ruined being unrealistic. Or you have nothing at all and wanna just shoot the breeze and play devil advocate.

Besides all that, the main point and topic going around is that of the "hacker, geohotz and Sony", nowhere in there in any description of this case does it say he is a "homebrewer"!

"he shoots.... He scores from 3!!!
post #193 of 319
I think we should all hold hands and sing "We Are the World.".
post #194 of 319
With a Chargers fan? Yeah, that'll happen.




post #195 of 319
1. Back in January 2010, hacker George Hotz hacked the PS3. He opened the door for homemade code on the PS3 with an exploit which relied on the PS3's OtherOS function.

2. Sony responded with Firmware 3.21, removing OtherOS from the console altogether. Sony's castle had been built strong enough to withstand attacks from everything hackers threw at it for almost five years but by removing OtherOS they drew the attention of hackers more capable than any who had attempted to break the PS3's security before.

3. Hotz abandoned work on the PS3 in July but one month later Australian modders released the PSJailbreak dongle - a USB stick which opened the Playstation to unsigned software and 'backup' copies of games.

4. Within weeks Sony had blocked sales of the original device and rendereded it useless by Firmware 3.42's security update. Sony had been here before. The PSP had been hacked with a simple exploit early in its life and the company learned a valuable lesson; PS3 was built to resist exploits.

PlayStation had modchips, the Dreamcast was easily broken without any hardware modification, PS2 was chipped, and the Xbox 360's disc drive firmware was altered so it couldn't tell the difference between a copied game and the real thing. Hacking happens, but not to the PS3.

Before Christmas 2010, every attempt to run homemade software on the PS3 had been an exploit or hack - tunnels beneath the castle's walls and ladders over them.

6.Then, at December's Chaos Computer Conference, the hacker group failOverflow publicly demonstrated homebrew code running on PS3 without modification or exploitation.

Two years earlier the team had hacked the Wii with intentions of using it to run homebrew code but the PS3 was a far bigger catch.

Their route through PS3's security took them straight in the front door. The team were able to overflow PS3's bootup and nose around, where they soon found Sony's signing keys freely available on the system.

7. Enter George 'Geohot' Hotz, picking up where failOverflow left off and releasing the Metldr rootkey to the public - keys which encrypt every piece of code running on PS3 and let the console know the code is authorised by Sony.

With PS3 now unable to tell the difference between what's real and what's not, hacker KaKaRoTo made the first custom firmware for PS3 on January 4 to allow installation of homebrew files without the need for a jailbreak.

8. Hotz followed up two days later with his own custom firmware, adding extra functions for coders and PS3 users, and made it public. Hotz's firmware installs via Sony's usual update process from an ordinary memory stick.

Emulators and apps developed for the earlier PSJailbreak were soon up and running but backup loaders were locked out. The stated aim by both Fail0verflow and George Hotz was to restore Linux functionality to PS3.

Piracy requires a full 'level two' hack that gets you into the GameOS - something Hotz excluded from the custom firmware to prohibit pirates from running copied games.

9. However, hacker Riku.kh3ran worked around that and ran a backup copy of Castlevania: LOS straight from the hard drive, modifying the game's main executable to make the PS3 treat it like a legit PSN game.

God of War 3, Heavy Rain, Killzone 2, Hot Pursuit, and others soon followed. Sony's official response was brief. "We are aware of this, and are currently looking into it" they said, in a statement.

"We will fix the issues through network updates, but because this is a security issue we are not able to provide you with any more details."

Their response, according to hackers, is optimistic. "The complete console is compromised" explained failOverflow member Pytey to the BBC, "There is no recovery from this."

If you change the lock on your front door every existing key stops working; if Sony were to change the PS3's rootkey, every existing game on PS3 would stop working. It is, without question, the most catastrophic security failure in video game history.

10. On January 12 Sony launched their lawsuit against Hotz and the failOverflow team, suing the hackers for modifying Sony's software, circumventing PS3's protection, and distributing the means to do it.
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11. Just one day after Sony's lawsuit, failOverflow released all their tools and documentation to the public, effectively rendering Sony's legal claim and restraining orders moot.

The case against Hotz is stuck in legal limbo while US courts try to make up their mind about whether the New Jersey resident can be tried in California as Sony would like.

12. All the while, the hacking continues. On January 17 Wii hacker Waninkoko released a custom firmware of his own but bricked a few 60GB consoles in the process.

Hours later hacker Wutangrza followed it with firmware which does the same job without the bricking, and hours after that Kmeaw released a better firmware with complete backup support

They also explore the advantages of opening up a closed console:

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What next? Well, the genie's not going back in the bottle, but Sony could attempt to ban pirates from PSN, preventing purchases and online play.

While the hack's significant, it's still far from accessible for the average gamer, so don't expect game sales to fall off a cliff just yet. With the situation still in the balance, it's currently hard to gauge its impact - but the battle for PS3's security should prove fascinating.

The biggest early developments will come from programmers working on devious stuff while the legit software waits for the open SDK to mature, but when it does, the PS3 could become the best bang-for-your-buck under-TV media box ever made.

When Microsoft's original Xbox was modchipped the development scene moved quickly to support it with tools, media players, emulators, and homemade games. Xbox Media Centre was a fully featured media player and operating system which would play just about anything.

It could stream video from your PC, had a built-in ISO loader for running "backups", and could snatch news, trailers, radio, and video straight off the internet. XBMC is the best frontend you could ever use for an under-TV Home Theatre PC.

HTPCs are expensive, but since the PC version of XBMC happily runs on Windows or Linux it's not impossible to imagine the program returning to consoles. A PS3 version could rip your Blu Rays to HDD and run them at the touch of a button, and would support every kind of codec used in the PC space.

Emulation is a grey issue, but so long as you own the original game you're entitled to emulate it. If you still have copies of Donkey Kong Country and Super Mario World in your SNES collection you can run those ROMS in the PS3 port of the famous SNES9X emulator. The emulators themselves aren't illegal.

And the dark side, piracy and cheating:

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Of course, there's the dark side to the argument. The PS3 is already happily booting modified copies of PS3 games straight from hard drive and cheaters are already ruining PSN's most popular shooters.

With a custom firmware and a backup loader you'll be able to borrow or download any game and copy it straight to the system. Don't listen to anyone who says "PS3 games are too big to download"; most PS3 games are developed with the PC as the lead platform and are optimised for one DVD.

If you're a pirate you're almost certainly already enjoying commercial-free HD TV and all the free music your ears can handle. Future developments in the PS3 scene will ensure you can stream MKV Blu Ray rips straight from your PC to your PS3 and turn your console into an all-in-one media box.

Emulators will mean almost every game ever made will eventually be made playable on PS3. Homebrew developers emulated everything from the SNES to the N64 on the original Xbox, with only the machine's puny 700 Mhz processor holding them back.

The PS3 is a beast of a console and will happily emulate everything from the ZX Spectrum to the latest MAME-supported arcade games. Don't expect it to emulate the Gamecube or Dreamcast, mind. Until devs implement server-side cheat detection you'll be able to run hacks in online games. See through walls! Have infinite ammo! Oh dear.

And finally they explore the reason that so many people are concerned about the precedent set by Sony's legal action.

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On January 12 Sony launched their lawsuit against Hotz and the failOverflow team, suing the hackers for modifying Sony's software, circumventing PS3's protection, and distributing the means to do it.

If granted, the orders would force the hackers to hand over all tools and information to Sony's legal team, but it's not yet clear whether hackers have even broken the law.

Apple tried to stop hackers jailbreaking the iPhone and were blocked by US courts. The American Digital Millenium Copyright Act makes it illegal for a user to circumvent a company's protection on their electronic devices, but an exception was made for phones after Apple's case.

There's no similar exception for games consoles; with their new case Sony will either close or open the door to homebrew console developers and will change the way you can use the games consoles you've paid for.

Why? It's about your right as a consumer to use the product you bought in whatever way you please, and it's an argument about the sanctity of online gaming on a platform which was designed to be closed.

It's an argument about who owns the device you bought and just who is allowed to develop software for it, and an argument about whether publishers will even want to support a truly open console platform.

I guess we all get the point now, but removing otherOS was the only option Sony had at the time, but like i said before, everything that was currently being accomplished hombrew wise can be done on a PC.

This details the whole timeline of events and if you still think what Sony did was wrong then i dont know what world you live in.
post #196 of 319
well then
post #197 of 319
This thread became ten times more entertaining with SmokeCapone on ignore. Just seeing you folks' responses is priceless.
post #198 of 319
your scroll down finger would have hurt after that last one.

Mine did.
post #199 of 319
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This thread became ten times more entertaining with SmokeCapone on ignore. Just seeing you folks' responses is priceless.

Talking about someone you have on ignore kinda defeats the purpose, doesn't it?
post #200 of 319
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Talking about someone you have on ignore kinda defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

Not at all. He's on ignore because what he says is both offensive and obnoxious. But now that he's been made (forcibly) quiet, he's become incredibly charming and personable.
post #201 of 319
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Talking about someone you have on ignore kinda defeats the purpose, doesn't it?


If you really have to stoop low to "ignore" someone on an internet forum then its you that has the problem.

Everything here is an opinion with some facts being stated on both sides, ignoring me is conceding to the fact that Hombrew/hacking needs to live on the PC rather come to consoles to protects its online security as it has become a problem for sony and psn.

If you want to dump games off on to your HDD to boot up without a disk, then thats fine. Just make sure its a game 'you own' that you are ripping to your HDD, if not then that makes you a pirate!

Confidenceman, has none at all!
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Not at all. He's on ignore because what he says is both offensive and obnoxious. But now that he's been made (forcibly) quiet, he's become incredibly charming and personable.

REALLY?

So trying to keep the otherOS fight alive on a system thats security has been cracked, instead of trying to help find a solution is not obnoxious or offensive?

What a joke poster you are, you never came into this thread with anything helpful or any evidence to back up your claims of why Sony is at fault for removing otherOS. You just been blasting on my post while you lye in wait for someone to post something you can piggy back on.

Can anyone answer "why no one who is mad at Sony, ever turned to geohot or failoverflow and be mad them"?

If you read the timeline above, how could you still blame Sony for being wrong?
post #203 of 319
How kind of you to ask! My mother's doing just fine, thanks. How's yours?
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post #205 of 319
First off I think this thread needs closing cuz some people have forgot the code of conduct here. refrain from name calling or personal attacks etc...
Second, Sony is in a case of the pot calling the kettle black as my mother used to say. read the LG vs Sony thread here http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1313772

To grant an injunction that is stopping about 100,000 PS3/week entering Europe, there would have to be some pretty strong evidence that Sony has stolen and used patented code... I guess Sony feels its ok if they can steal from others but its not ok if others "steal" from them. As I posted over in the linked thread, I can only wonder if the hackers enabled LG to find Hidden code in Sony's PS3 console. I guess once you have access to all the files you just have to do a search and find matching text strings of ones patented code into each file.
post #206 of 319
Not related to the key hack. The LG injunction is a direct retaliation for Sony's suit against LG last year. But unlike Sony, LG seems to have a case. LG likely could have sued earlier, but saw no reason to do so until Sony started a fight. That's called karma.
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I.....can't......stop.....watching......
post #208 of 319
http://ps3.gamespy.com/articles/115/1152701p2.html

This Lawyer pretty much sums it up!
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http://ps3.gamespy.com/articles/115/1152701p2.html

This Lawyer pretty much sums it up!

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First off I think this thread needs closing cuz some people have forgot the code of conduct here. refrain from name calling or personal attacks etc...
Second, Sony is in a case of the pot calling the kettle black as my mother used to say. read the LG vs Sony thread here http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1313772

To grant an injunction that is stopping about 100,000 PS3/week entering Europe, there would have to be some pretty strong evidence that Sony has stolen and used patented code... I guess Sony feels its ok if they can steal from others but its not ok if others "steal" from them. As I posted over in the linked thread, I can only wonder if the hackers enabled LG to find Hidden code in Sony's PS3 console. I guess once you have access to all the files you just have to do a search and find matching text strings of ones patented code into each file.

It's apples and oranges and the hackers didn't enable squat. The patents that Sony is accused of infringing relate to "a data structure for managing the reproduction of data streams, which may represent one or more reproduction paths, e.g. multiple camera angles, that are recorded on a Blu-ray Disc [...] a method and apparatus for reproducing data from a Blu-ray Disc, including a linking area linking a neighboring data area [...] a method and apparatus for reproducing data stored in a Blu-ray Disc, including a linking data area that is preceded and followed by a real data area [...] an apparatus for reproducing a text subtitle stream for updating palette information that is recorded on a Blu-ray Disc."

In short, it's tech used by pretty much every BD player from multiple manufacturers. This is simply a tit for tat move on LG's part, given the half dozen other patent disputes between the two. The cell phone market is where all this originated and the climate amongst OEMs is extremely litigious with everyone levying accusations of patent infringement against their competitors.

As for the assertion that "To grant an injunction that is stopping about 100,000 PS3/week entering Europe, there would have to be some pretty strong evidence [...]," quite the opposite is true. The Hague, which granted the preliminary injunction, does so on the assumption that if there is an infringement, it must be stopped immediately. The preliminary injunction doesn't take into consideration the merits of the claim, it only temporarily halts the alleged infringer for a period of ten days while both sides prepare their motions. LG didn't file there by happenstance- it's the EU's equivalent of the Eastern District of Texas.
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