Ok...Holidays are now over, so, how about 3D now? - Page 38

LOL - how did the "don't care" become "doesn't care for it?" IMO, "don't care" means indifferent to it.

Your agenda is showing.

Don said it! Denial!

The numbers changed. But your response attempts to belittle the change. Because they are going against your opinion and your agenda. So now we see a bunch of spin from you.

I agree with what you say, but my question is why,then, when Avatar has set the bar for good, if not great, 3D...and let's say Clash of the Titans has been referred to as possibly the worst 3D (I'm talking of the current phase), why hasn't Hollywood made more movies like Avatar? Instead we're seeing a lot of mediocre 3D movies. I know every 3D movie can't be an Avatar, but in the year that it's been since Avatar, no other 3D movie has reach that technical level of 3D.

Maybe it's like you said, 3D is just in it's infancy with this newest 3D technology, and it will take Hollywood a little longer to get to the consistency of Avatar. I anxious to see how the new Pirate of the Caribbean and the new Transformer movies do in 3D. Here's hoping we have to more Avatar quality movies this year.

Ghpr13

See, this is what happens when your opinion doesn't match the facts:

USA BO = $96,637,321 . . . Worldwide BO = $224,537,321

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=greenhornet.htm


Of all the movie makers in Hollywood, James Cameron has the most experience in making 3D content. He even went as far as helping to invent some of the current breed of 3D cameras; the Pace Cameron 3D Fusion Cameras

Here is what is coming in 2011 and beyond:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1237092

This I agree with. "Don't Care" was a tally of comments that the poster didn't have a preference one way or the other. Not that they were against 3D.


OK Lee. 3D is the best thing to come to movies since buttered popcorn...it's going to take over all media one day soon...and us non-believers, or non-supporters, or 3D haters, or Luddites, whatever you're calling us on this page of the thread, will be so ashamed that we asked questions and didn't blindly follow you and Hollywood into the wonderful world of 3D.

Please forgive us,
Ghpr13

But you can see how people are twisting the truth to fit their own agends.


Hogwash. Never happen.

But for us 3D lovers, having a 3DTV in our home, instead of just depending on going to a theater to see 3D is . . . better then sliced bread.

It could be spun either way. I probably shouldn't have worded it like that. For me people who don't care, means that they are most likely people who could not be counted on to be fully vested in the feature. Even if a small percentage of them were converted it still would not be a major impact. Nor would those that were converted be major investors in the product. Therefore....

It is more unlikely that people are fully converted with the current state of affairs for 3D. Which is why I argue that there should be a full force combined effort by the CEs and MPAA to succeed. The current divides only accentuate the strides 3D needs to take to fully convert those who are on the fence.

Also, those who don't care either way should not be considered on the fence. If they are that is another agenda in effect.

Saying you don't care one way or the other means "I don't care if 3D drops off the face of the planet, life would go on."

That is not an agenda, it is reality. I merely combined the stats as to not paint the figures in a rosier light than they are. 75% of the market, based on that article either could care less or hate 3D.

It would be a hell of a reach to combine the 22.2% and the for @ 25%. More than my "agenda" would seem to attempt to bring to light.

And this poll that this thread offers has no option for "I don't care". Thus the poll has an agenda.

To eliminate those who don't care. Based on your rhetoric on this article we just derived percentages from, you would lump those who don't care either way into the fad voters.

This poll would be more accurate if they were split out. It would represent a more logical conclusion if people who don't care were factored in rather than being minimized as a a fanatical "it is a fad" voter.

Showing how many people that would care less would not help the cause. Thus the poll has an agenda.

Nope. Just calling it like I see it.

The change is minimal and can have all sorts of factors. Like I said rerun the poll in a couple-few months and see if it changes. Run it a year from now and see how it has changed. The poll was run after the holidays, thus people who purchased new sets would like to be happy about their purchase.

When Obama ok's further extended UAC benefits, I'll bet if you ran a public opinion poll just after it would be boosted. Same effect.

Getting excited about a 6% change of a 10% factor is an interesting position to take. That is all I am saying.

Now he's making sense ,bravo I agree .3D is here to stay .

Well, to me, people who don't care are indifferent. It isn't a big enough deal to them to be pro or con. They could go either way depending on their personal circumstances.


Isn't there a "full force" now? Look at what has happened in the last 12 months (Feb 2010 to Feb. 2011):

1. More then 2 CEMs offerring 3DTVs
2. Universal ASGs from 2 CEMs
3. FPR passve glasses 3DTVs from 2 CEMs
4. 25 3D BDs released for public consumption
5. ESPN 3D
6. 3Net
7. Comcast's 3D channel
8. 3D PPVs from CBL and DTV.

What are you expecting for a years time from launch?


LOL! Maybe you do but then again, that would be your agenda showing.




It can also mean that if 3D increases, they will be indifferent to it. They are sitting on the fence. They haven't decided one way or the other.


LMAO! Reality .. . . according to YOU!

There were three different categories:

For 25%
Fad 52.7%
Don't care 22.2%

LOL - I could play Devil's Advocate and say that 47.3% are for 3D just doing the same thing you did - changing the definition of the "don't care" category.

I know I would be wrong in doing that but you think you are right in doing it. And that is where your agenda comes out.


Just like it's a "hell of a reach" to add that 22.2% to the 52.7%. But you seem to have no problem doing that.

Two polls, same questions, just different points in time. The first in May of 2010, the second in February 2011. And in that short period of time, we have seen a 6% increase in the number voting for HERE TO STAY.

So what will the next poll look like in November 2011?

No - the change is drastic. HERE TO STAY went from 13% to 19%. That is almost a 50% increase.

LOL - you seem miffed that more people are voting HTS. You are miffed that people who bought a 3DTV are happy with their purchase.

And you don't have an agenda . . . . Riiiight.

Lee, your choice to view that way is another perspective. I don't necessarily see it as an agenda. I see it as a division between being hopeful and realism. Because you hope for a better future for 3D, you do not see my point of view or at least care not to (agenda or not.) I see your point of view, while it is hopeful it is not the most practical from my standpoint.

Of course, as I have stated I am a look before I leap person. From this perspective, I would like this topic to be flooded with people who are more practical. In being practical, I understand that is not a practical mindset. Thus I make sure to spend processing time taking others views into consideration.

Not saying you don't operate like this. It seems like people who are overly optimistic seem to stay in their camp and refute anything that runs opposite to their view or even mildly challenge it. People who are overly negative toward this subject tend to rail against the optimists. I find myself in the middle. It allows me to see both sides.

I am not miffed. Why would you say that?

They are happy with their purchase right now. Since there is no way to go back and re-vote in the future. Make sure that new polls are opened up in the future so that we can have a better average.

You are wrong - I do see your point of view. I just don't agree with it, that's all. Nothing wrong with that. But I take issue with people trying to twist the truth to fit their own opinion. That's an agenda.


Why is it important that more people should share your perspective? Freedom of choice isn't good enough? If a whole bunch of people started voting and posting HERE TO STAY, would this cause you anguish?


I challange people to make sure there is not only smoke, but fire also. Is their objection real? Or is it something they made up? Or is it rooted in a misunderstanding of how somethng works? Or is their objection based on old and outdated information?

1. The increase in HERE TO STAY % and your reaction to it.

2. because you said this:

"The poll was run after the holidays, thus people who purchased new sets would like to be happy about their purchase."




How will a new poll with the same 3 choices 9 months from now result in "a better average." A better average of what?

2011 Movies in 3D... mostly are still gimmicks, presumably bad sequels, bad movie and 3D conversions

2011 3D Theaterical Movie Tentative Schedule


MARCH 2011:

March 5 - CARMEN IN 3D [S3D] (opera) Limited Engagement

March 11 - MARS NEEDS MOMS! - S3DR --- I love Disney but this movie, based on the preview engagement... sucks big time
March 18 - TORNADO ALLEY - IMAX 3D --- not a movie


APRIL 2011:

April 8 - RIO - S3DR

April 8 - BORN TO BE WILD - IMAX 3D --- not a movie
April (?) - RESCUE 3D - IMAX 3D --- not a movie


MAY 2011:

May 6 - THOR - 2D-3D --- conversion alert
May 13 - PRIEST - 2D-3D - 1.85 --- conversion alert
May 20 - PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: ON STRANGER TIDES - S3D --- anybody think this will be a good movie?


JUNE 2011:

June 3 - KUNG FU PANDA: THE KABOOM OF DOOM - S3DR --- anybody think this will be a good movie?
June 17 - THE GREEN LANTERN - 2D-3D --- conversion alert
June 24 - CARS 2 - S3DR --- anybody think this will be a good movie?

June 24 - RISE OF THE APES - S3D


JULY 2011:

July 1 - TRANSFORMERS: DARK OF THE MOON - S3D --- anybody think this will be a good movie?

July 15 - HARRY POTTER AND THE DEATHLY HALLOWS: PART 2 - 2D-3D --- conversion alert
July 22 - CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER - 2D-3D --- conversion alert

AUGUST 2011:

August 3 - SMURFS 3D - 2D-3D --- conversion alert

August 5 - THE DARKEST HOUR 3D - S3D

August 19 - SPY KIDS 4: ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD - S3D --- SERIOUSLY...anybody think this will be a good movie?

August 19 - CONAN (??)

August 19 - FRIGHT NIGHT 3D - S3D

August 26 - FINAL DESTINATION 5 - S3D --- OMG, after the disasterous Final Destination 4 3D anybody think this will be a good movie?

August ?? - PIRANHA 3DD --- conversion alert

SEPTEMBER 2011:

September 14 - SHARK NIGHT 3D - S3D

September 16 - DOLPHIN TALE 3D - S3D

September 23 - JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH 2 - S3D --- The first movie sucked --- anybody think this will be a good movie?


OCTOBER 2011:

October 14 - THE THREE MUSKETEERS 3D - S3D

October 21 - CONTAGION - S3D


NOVEMBER 2011:

November 4 - PUSS IN BOOTS - S3DR

November 11 - ARTHUR CHRISTMAS - S3DR

November 18 - HAPPY FEET 2 IN 3D - S3DR --- The first movie also sucks --- anybody think this will be a good movie?
November 23 - HUGO CABRET - S3D



DECEMBER 2011:

December ?? - DREDD - S3D

December 16 - ALVIN AND THE CHIPMUNKS: CHIP-WRECKED --- seriously... anybody think this will be a good movie?


December 23 - THE ADVENTURES OF TINTIN: SECRET OF THE UNICORN - S3D


3D Movies with no release date yet:


AIR RACERS 3D: FORCES OF FLIGHT - IMAX 3D (Summer) --- not a movie
FLATLAND: SEARCH FOR THE 3RD DIMENSION - IMAX 3D --- not a movie
GREAT WHITE SHARK 3D - IMAX 3D --- not a movie

THE LAST REEF: Cities Beneath The Sea - IMAX 3D (Fall) - not a movieFLYING MONSTERS 3D

SEA TURTLES 3D - IMAX 3D --- not a movie

XXX: THE RETURN OF ZANDER CAGE - S3D --- anybody think this will be a good movie?

FLYING SWORDS OF DRAGON INN - S3D (Dec. 2011)

Halloween 3D --- anybody think this will be a good movie?

The Power Of The Dark Crystal

The Devil's Commandos

Empires Of The Deep (AKA Mermaid Island)

A Very Harold & Kumar Christmas 3D - S3D --- anybody think this will be a good movie?

Twixt Now and Sunrise - S3D

So as you all can see, most releases are:

1. unneeded sequels
2. unneeded sequels of unneeded sequels
3. 2D-3D conversion
4. IMAX (not considered as movie, not even by Home Theater magazine, or What HiFi; they are 3D presentations, but not really a movie. At best, they are classified as documentaries)

conclusion: 2011 is not better than 2010. Still gimmicky, still filled with crappy movies, and filled-in with IMAX documentaries with very limited release

That does not mean I am miffed. That means I am hope that there is enough good content to mitigate any potential buyers remorse they might experience.

Running a poll before a major holiday and then running one right after forces results.

I would like a poll that has:

Fad
I could care less
Here to stay
Not until we have standards

That would show equal representation. I would think you would be in favor of that considering your positive opinion of people who could care less (see indifferent.)

Polls with less options tend to segregate and set off my warning signals.

You can tell the poll was initiated by someone who is pushing for the adoption or success of 3D because of it's limited scope.

If you had read my post "And this poll that this thread offers has no option for "I don't care". Thus the poll has an agenda."

You would not be asking that question. It would give a better average of those who are on the fence (as you would like to call it). Rather than subjugating them to the "not until we have standards" option. Not until we have standards is positive with regard to 3D. Fad is completely on the other end and I am sure there are people that voted in there that had no better option and some that didn't.

It is a shortsighted poll. I tend to believe it was shortsighted for a reason...

...whatever - your "analysis" is to turn every report that is CLEARLY not saying what you are, into an interpretation that fits your desired message..

Everyone has already pointed out to you that all these reports are showing that overall attendance is down, but 3D sales (at the higher ticket prices) have masked this overall drop.

3D is way up. But keep repeating your mantra. I'll keep jumping in too...

All I see is YOUR opinion about the movies to be released in 2011. Who died and made you Queen?

And IMAX 3D docs make great 3D BDs.

Yes - when the facts keep getting in the way, switch to straight ad-hominen attacks. Gee, like I haven't seen THAT before... sigh

And besides - Penthouse just announced their 3D porn channel. I think we all know the debating is over now...

May is now "before a major holiday? (I assume you meant Thanksgiving/Xmas). And the middle of February is now considered right afterwards?


What standards? What does that mean? It is on both of the polls but I have no idea what it is supposed to mean. I have asked for clarification . . . and received none.


Well, my suggestion would look like this:

Fad
Here To Stay
On the Fence

That way we can cover, yes, no and maybe. Why would we be interested in people with no opinion whatsoever?




Have you considered that the results have a more focused snapshot of people's opinions?


Is that right? That's what you think of David Bott?

If transformers is anything like the last one, I will pass until rental time (too many closeups of T&A, etc, inclusion of those side-kick dudes, barf

Conan, I hope not. Man, who is going to play that role?

Thor looks good, too bad a conversion, or maybe for the best? gimmick with the hammer, could be good.

Captain America, whew I thought it was gonna be Affleck (poor DareDevil). Maybe, could be a cool gimmick with the shield.

Three Musketeers, meh, I hope they do a good job at one uping the old one and the foreign version (the Musketeer), good luck

Harry Potter, no thanks I was ruined after the last one (too much teenage romance and lack of wizardry)

XXX - I actually liked the others , Cube a little less , but was decent

Dark Crystal - Yeah, I will be there. W/o my girlfriend as she said I was a pansy for liking the old 80s one.

Other than that a lot of STV material there. Not looking too good.

It's a conspiracy theory I tell you!

Why wouldn't you be interested in people who don't care? That is odd.

That is why I say the poll is bias. It does not include those who don't care. That would give equal representation to all types.

Fad - people who have had bad experiences with 3D or just don't like it for some reason

Don't Care - HDTV is enough for me, rabbit ears FTW, etc Wut is Three Dee?

On the Fence - I have seen some good and some bad 3D, and am hopeful.

I am not buying until standards are met - not wasting my time or money.

It is here to stay - I have the highest opinion of 3D or would love to see the advancement of the tech, I am really hopeful that I won't have buyers remorse.

By having all of these you get a greater sample and a better REALISTIC state of affairs. I think the on the fence should be added as well as the don't cares. Both could swing either way, but would give people a voice.

Base.

Yeah, just like the porn industry saved HD-DVD. lol