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post #31 of 56
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Originally Posted by Xer0dIn View Post

Hello everyone, my pdp-6020fd died , what's something that's close to this TV now in terms of black level/picture quality.

I've got a 6020 sitting in the same theater room with the Panny 65VT25. I would not say the VT25 is the equal of the Kuro in terms of a 2D image, it's not, but it's still a very nice looking Plasma display. If you have any interest in 3D then that becomes a big bonus.

I have a new Sammy LED LCD as well. Nice display with the strentghs of LCD if you like those such as super bright and super sharp. The visuals will be bright and purdy! but not to compare to a kuro though for a pure and accurate image if that is what you are after.
post #32 of 56
And now, the coup de grace: a search reveals that the reviewer in fact described the Pioneer KRP 500A as "reference," while assigning the 7000C only a grade of "excellent."

But keep on tossing those birdies up, disco, I love shooting skeet!
post #33 of 56
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Originally Posted by discopaul View Post

Ok, last time. Did you happen to read in the link the post that said this from AVForums. It's in reference to the Samsung 50C7000?

"Overall this really is an excellent set of results and Samsung's video processing remains the benchmark against which other consumer displays are measured."

http://www.avforums.com/review/Samsu...ma-review.html

You won't take the opinions of the majority of professional reviewers, yet you hold this ONE review on a pedestal? Even so, how does samsung's superior processing make it a superior overall television to the kuro? You're biased because you work for them, which i'd probably be the same way, but you're blinded by the truth.
post #34 of 56
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Originally Posted by p59teitel View Post

And now, the coup de grace: a search reveals that the reviewer in fact described the Pioneer KRP 500A as "reference," while assigning the 7000C only a grade of "excellent."

But keep on tossing those birdies up, disco, I love shooting skeet!

this. ouch.
post #35 of 56
discopaul: maybe you would be better off just stating that the Samsung's have excellent video processing but leaving out any mention of the word 'Kuro'...I agree with you that the top of the line Panasonic and Samsung sets are excellent sets and while not 'Kuro-killers' they do make an excellent overall HDTV
post #36 of 56
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

discopaul: maybe you would be better off just stating that the Samsung's have excellent video processing but leaving out any mention of the word 'Kuro'...I agree with you that the top of the line Panasonic and Samsung sets are excellent sets and while not 'Kuro-killers' they do make an excellent overall HDTV

Perfectly said.
post #37 of 56
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

discopaul: maybe you would be better off just stating that the Samsung's have excellent video processing but leaving out any mention of the word 'Kuro'...I agree with you that the top of the line Panasonic and Samsung sets are excellent sets and while not 'Kuro-killers' they do make an excellent overall HDTV

Umm, I appreciate your sentiments but you have a fundamental misunderstanding. I never said or believed the Sammies were kuro killers because I never placed kuros above the Sammies.
The Kuros are nice but I never bought into the hype.
post #38 of 56
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Originally Posted by discopaul View Post

The Kuros are nice but I never bought into the hype.

so you rank the Kuro's below any Samsung plasma released in the past 3 years?
post #39 of 56
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

so you rank the Kuro's below any Samsung plasma released in the past 3 years?

No. The kuros are better than the mid and low end Sammies.
post #40 of 56
this thread is just gotten out of hand. too much kuro love. Great tv but you can't buy them anymore so to a person buying a new top of the line plasma set what options does he have other than

samsung 8000
LG 950
panasoic vt25
wait for the panasonic vt30

?????? if you have better ideas post them but pissing match over how good a kuro was is not helping select a new set if he is unwilling to repair. sometimes it is better to just post your opinion as opposed to arguing with others about theirs.

should get back on track with set ideas and let the pissing match go.

I think he should try a vt25 series or if he can wait month or two try one of the new panasonics just because the lg 950 is not 3d capable and the 8000 does emit slight buzz or hum and will not quite get the blacks of the panasonic. I had a hard time locating a vt25 locally though.
post #41 of 56
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Originally Posted by Noah View Post

Just the first example I found, but the issue is discussed in this thread.

As I suspected, entirely subjective. It seems D-Nice proclaimed it so while in that same thread at least one other poster did not see any evidence of artifacts with sharpness set to 0. The reviews I've seen from many others mention no artifacts.
What I'm suspecting is the calibrator and kuro followers are using the relatively softer image of the Kuro as the reference. The assumption is that it must be the right image. Again though posters in that same thread as well as reviews from many sources completely differ.
post #42 of 56
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Originally Posted by discopaul View Post

Ok, last time. Did you happen to read in the link the post that said this from AVForums. It's in reference to the Samsung 50C7000?

"Overall this really is an excellent set of results and Samsung's video processing remains the benchmark against which other consumer displays are measured."

http://www.avforums.com/review/Samsu...ma-review.html

You do know the difference between video processing and black level/color gamut/overall picture quality right?
post #43 of 56
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Originally Posted by Noah View Post

No kidding. If there's anything worth fixing, it's a Kuro.

Just about anything short of a new panel is probably worth replacing.

There is a guy in san francisco that's giving away his cracked 6020. These two dead units would make a nice unit.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/zip/2212664636.html
post #44 of 56
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Originally Posted by rich wu View Post

there is a guy in san francisco that's giving away his cracked 6020. These two dead units would make a nice unit.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/zip/2212664636.html

+500000.

To the OP: Fix It.
post #45 of 56
Ok, let's try this again, ignoring certain distractions. OP: The consensus is pretty clear barring a few disingenuous, shill-like recommendations to forgo it altogether. Get her fixed.
post #46 of 56
Thread Starter 
I did not mean to cause such a fuss, I was wanting a simple answer, go buy this tvTV X And I would have gone and probably bought TV X. I'm glad I didn't go buy one.

And now comes the part where I'm embarrassed! I do appreciate everyone's opinion. I assumed the TV was dead, no red power light when I plugged it up to the wall outlet. I had already switched surge protectors as well, they were getting juice just not TV. (I did check the switch on the bottom; I know the Kuro has two power switches, one for standby and one to actually power the sucker up.) No luck, no red light or any lights for that matter. It's been unplugged now for several days, but this morning I decided to give it one more try this morning. Plugged it up and YES!!!!! Red light and then the sucker turned to the blue light. Popped in a blu-ray and it works. I'm so happy!!!!
I do apologize to everyone. I should have waited a while then plugged it up. I didn't mean to start a Kuro war!
post #47 of 56
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Originally Posted by Xer0dIn View Post

I did not mean to cause such a fuss, I was wanting a simple answer, go buy this tvTV X And I would have gone and probably bought TV X. I'm glad I didn't go buy one.

And now comes the part where I'm embarrassed! I do appreciate everyone's opinion. I assumed the TV was dead, no red power light when I plugged it up to the wall outlet. .....It's been unplugged now for several days, but this morning I decided to give it one more try this morning. Plugged it up and YES!!!!! Red light and then the sucker turned to the blue light..... I should have waited a while then plugged it up.

Well the question remains, exactly why did it not power up before? Did it shut off while you were watching it? Or did it fail to power up when you tried to turn it on? It could be an indication that something inside the TV is failing and it may happen again or get worse, or fail completely later and not turn on at all.

When that time comes, i would think that it would be worth it to have it repaired and continue to enjoy that which is Kuro. The others are nice, but they're not a replacement for a Kuro.


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I didn't mean to start a Kuro war!

You didn't - you started a Disco war
post #48 of 56
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Originally Posted by Xer0dIn View Post

And now comes the part where I’m embarrassed! I do appreciate everyone’s opinion. I assumed the TV was dead, no red power light when I plugged it up to the wall outlet. I had already switched surge protectors as well, they were getting juice just not TV. (I did check the switch on the bottom; I know the Kuro has two power switches, one for standby and one to actually power the sucker up.) No luck, no red light or any lights for that matter. It’s been unplugged now for several days, but this morning I decided to give it one more try this morning. Plugged it up and YES!!!!! Red light and then the sucker turned to the blue light. Popped in a blu-ray and it works. I’m so happy!!!!

Excellent news. I'm crossing my fingers that it stays working. It might be time to invest in a nice surge protector (SurgeX, Brickwall, etc.).
post #49 of 56
LOL! Another bullet for the fan boys. "Kuros can rise from the dead!".

larry
post #50 of 56
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Originally Posted by discopaul View Post

As I suspected, entirely subjective. It seems D-Nice proclaimed it so while in that same thread at least one other poster did not see any evidence of artifacts with sharpness set to 0. The reviews I've seen from many others mention no artifacts.

It's not subjective at all. There's either ringing/distortion in the test pattern or there isn't.

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Originally Posted by discopaul View Post

What I'm suspecting is the calibrator and kuro followers are using the relatively softer image of the Kuro as the reference. The assumption is that it must be the right image. Again though posters in that same thread as well as reviews from many sources completely differ.

The funny thing is, zero sharpening/edge enhancement is truly clearer...there's no disputing it when some displays reproduce a test pattern pixel-for-pixel and other displays do not.
post #51 of 56
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Originally Posted by discopaul View Post

As I suspected, entirely subjective. It seems D-Nice proclaimed it so while in that same thread at least one other poster did not see any evidence of artifacts with sharpness set to 0. The reviews I've seen from many others mention no artifacts.
What I'm suspecting is the calibrator and kuro followers are using the relatively softer image of the Kuro as the reference. The assumption is that it must be the right image. Again though posters in that same thread as well as reviews from many sources completely differ.

I'm sorry, but the Kuro's image is accurate per the source. Your Samsung has a non defeatable sharpener (even with the sharness setting at 0) no matter how much you attempt to spin its performance.

The good thing about the Kuro is that its control set flexable enough where it can produce the same Samsung "sharpened" image via a combination of its sharpness, Enhancer and DRE controls.

You are more than welcome to test the non defeatable sharpener on your Samsung via the AVS709 disc.
post #52 of 56
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Originally Posted by Noah View Post

Excellent news. I'm crossing my fingers that it stays working. It might be time to invest in a nice surge protector (SurgeX, Brickwall, etc.).

Better yet. Invest in a whole house surge protector along with point of use surge strips.
post #53 of 56
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Originally Posted by Xer0dIn View Post

I did not mean to cause such a fuss, I was wanting a simple answer, go buy this tvTV X And I would have gone and probably bought TV X. I'm glad I didn't go buy one.

And now comes the part where I'm embarrassed! I do appreciate everyone's opinion. I assumed the TV was dead, no red power light when I plugged it up to the wall outlet. I had already switched surge protectors as well, they were getting juice just not TV. (I did check the switch on the bottom; I know the Kuro has two power switches, one for standby and one to actually power the sucker up.) No luck, no red light or any lights for that matter. It's been unplugged now for several days, but this morning I decided to give it one more try this morning. Plugged it up and YES!!!!! Red light and then the sucker turned to the blue light. Popped in a blu-ray and it works. I'm so happy!!!!
I do apologize to everyone. I should have waited a while then plugged it up. I didn't mean to start a Kuro war!

You have absolutely nothing to apologize for. You posed a legitimate call for help and one specific person decided to derail the thread (like virtually every other thread he participates in).

We're all happy that your display resurrected itself to life

(well everyone except DP who will now try to insist that you throw it out anyway and buy a Samsung )
post #54 of 56
I'm glad your Plasma is Alive again. I was willing to buy it and hope it could of been fixed. I'm really disappointed that Pioneer quit the PLASMA business. I was hoping one day to buy an 80" Pioneer.
post #55 of 56
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Originally Posted by dlplover View Post

You have absolutely nothing to apologize for. You posed a legitimate call for help and one specific person decided to derail the thread (like virtually every other thread he participates in).

We're all happy that your display resurrected itself to life

(well everyone except DP who will now try to insist that you throw it out anyway and buy a Samsung )

That's B.S.

I was looking forward to stalking his trashcans!
post #56 of 56
Since it's back up and running, you should put the elite board in it. I just finished the procedure on my 5020, but gotta wait till morning to see if it's all set.
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