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post #31 of 126
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This player is still MIA
post #32 of 126
Yup. The crutchfield website shows a release of 4/8/11 for the sister Marantz player, and B&H Photo shows "April" for the Denon. So at least there is some consistency in the dates being published currently.
post #33 of 126
I have a 2012UD on order with Audio T in Bristol (bought it at the Bristol show).
I'm being told now that it should be in on the 7th or the 15th April !!

Been waiting a long time for this one !
post #34 of 126
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Originally Posted by BruceH5200 View Post

I have a 2012UD on order with Audio T in Bristol (bought it at the Bristol show).
I'm being told now that it should be in on the 7th or the 15th April !!

Been waiting a long time for this one !

Ditto, I ordered mine from the show as well. I was also told today that it would be sometime in April.

Ian.
post #35 of 126
Noticed the manual is now available in Denon's US website. Also showing an $899.99 list price.
post #36 of 126
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Originally Posted by mcd4959 View Post
Noticed the manual is now available in Denon's US website. Also showing an $899.99 list price.
That's a good sign!
post #37 of 126
Thread Starter 
They said March, then they said April.. well ? I give up.. i am going back to VHS.
post #38 of 126
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Originally Posted by tn001d View Post

They said March, then they said April.. well ? I give up.. i am going back to VHS.

well actually it was first August 2010, then Oct, then Late Dec, then Jan then Feb, then March.
A few units might have hit the shores of North America already, but not in any major quantity.

Eitherway stick with Laserdisk, it had a better picture quality than VHS, remember the higher end Pioneer units in the 1995-96 range were stating 425 lines of resolution!!
post #39 of 126
Thread Starter 
I got a great deal on DVHS player!!
post #40 of 126
I would imagine any day now?
post #41 of 126
Happy flippin' days, mine is at the dealers!!!!!

Going to pickup tomorrow.

Ian.
post #42 of 126
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Originally Posted by BruceH5200 View Post

I have a 2012UD on order with Audio T in Bristol (bought it at the Bristol show).
I'm being told now that it should be in on the 7th or the 15th April !!

Been waiting a long time for this one !

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Originally Posted by IanW555 View Post

Ditto, I ordered mine from the show as well. I was also told today that it would be sometime in April.

Ian.

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Originally Posted by IanW555 View Post

Happy flippin' days, mine is at the dealers!!!!!

Going to pickup tomorrow.

Ian.

Bruce and Ian:

Just wanna confirm that you guys are in the UK? And you're referring to Sound & Vision's Bristol Show?
post #43 of 126
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Originally Posted by Paul.R.S View Post

Bruce and Ian:

Just wanna confirm that you guys are in the UK? And you're referring to Sound & Vision's Bristol Show?

Yes.

Now taking prize position in rack.

Straight of of the box, the player is at least as good as my Pioneer LX71 it replaces. I still have not had a chance to run through an optimizer.

Does anyone know of a blu-ray that carries the THX optimizer?

Ian.
LL
post #44 of 126
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Originally Posted by IanW555 View Post

Yes.

Now taking prize position in rack.

Straight of of the box, the player is at least as good as my Pioneer LX71 it replaces. I still have not had a chance to run through an optimizer.

Does anyone know of a blu-ray that carries the THX optimizer?

Ian.

Is the fascia like the higher end denon avrs and the 2010? from the picture it looks like the same plastic on the 1611 (and 1610).

Now that Denon has refreshed the look of their receivers without the ci lip on the top of the fascia, I wonder if they 1612 is too far behind.
post #45 of 126
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Originally Posted by IanW555 View Post

Yes.

Now taking prize position in rack.

Straight of of the box, the player is at least as good as my Pioneer LX71 it replaces. I still have not had a chance to run through an optimizer.

Does anyone know of a blu-ray that carries the THX optimizer?

Ian.

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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

Is the fascia like the higher end denon avrs and the 2010? from the picture it looks like the same plastic on the 1611 (and 1610).

Now that Denon has refreshed the look of their receivers without the ci lip on the top of the fascia, I wonder if they 1612 is too far behind.

I'd also like to know if the face of the 2012 is plastic or metal. I would think it should be metal based on the price, but from the pic Ian posted it looks like it might be plastic?
post #46 of 126
I called Denon USA and they confirmed that the face of the 2012 is plastic, which is surprising given the $200 premium of this player over the last gen 2010 player that did have a metal face. This just isn't the build quality I would expect from a player at this price.

You can also see in this close-up shot of the 2012, that the face is smooth rather than brushed as it would be if it were metal:
http://www.avland.co.uk/aasp/denon/1...p2012udlrg.jpg
post #47 of 126
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

I called Denon USA and they confirmed that the face of the 2012 is plastic, which is surprising given the $200 premium of this player over the last gen 2010 player that did have a metal face. This just isn't the build quality I would expect from a player at this price.

I think this whole Denon DBP-2011/2012 is nothing but a farce, not worthy of a company like Denon (or at least what Denon used to be...)
I planned to buy a 2011 in september 2010, and then the whole circus started...
In the end, Denon Germany said it was going to hit the shelves in March for €799, it didn't happen of course but they did INCREASE the price by €50 !
I guess the international price of plastic went up because of increasing oil prices ? Also, since they are using nearly 1 year old technology and components, they should have DECREASED the price of this DBP-2011 clone !

I've been long time mad because all of this (the 2011 was going to be my first blu-ray player after having the Denon DVD-3910 for over 6 years ! So imagine my impatience), but now I say: thank you Denon ! Last week I bought the Oppo 95EU for merely €150 more, a truly impressive player with which I honnestly don't think the 2012 will be able to compete. Build (no plastic face), picture, sound, specs, support, firmware updates...

Pity, because I was happy with my DVD-3910 (apart from some quibbles that is), but I am afraid that I am done with Denon...
post #48 of 126
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

I called Denon USA and they confirmed that the face of the 2012 is plastic, which is surprising given the $200 premium of this player over the last gen 2010 player that did have a metal face. This just isn't the build quality I would expect from a player at this price.

You can also see in this close-up shot of the 2012, that the face is smooth rather than brushed as it would be if it were metal:
http://www.avland.co.uk/aasp/denon/1...p2012udlrg.jpg

I double checked with Denon about the construction of the 2012, and this time I was told that it will have a metal face. Hard to know the truth until someone gets one of them in hand.

IanW55 - What's the verdict on the face of this player? Metal or plastic?
post #49 of 126
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

I called Denon USA and they confirmed that the face of the 2012 is plastic, which is surprising given the $200 premium of this player over the last gen 2010 player that did have a metal face. This just isn't the build quality I would expect from a player at this price.

You can also see in this close-up shot of the 2012, that the face is smooth rather than brushed as it would be if it were metal

really hard to tell from that image, it seems to be "cosmetically" enhanced (PhotoShop, etc.,...). The front-plate texture is hi-lited to provide a clean, uniform, complexion, it could be aluminum or plastic.

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Originally Posted by michdys View Post

I think this whole Denon DBP-2011/2012 is nothing but a farce, not worthy of a company like Denon (or at least what Denon used to be...)

Since they are using nearly 1 year old technology and components, they should have DECREASED the price of this DBP-2011 clone !

I've been long time mad because all of this (the 2011 was going to be my first blu-ray player after having the Denon DVD-3910 for over 6 years ! So imagine my impatience), but now I say: thank you Denon ! Last week I bought the Oppo 95EU for merely €150 more, a truly impressive player with which I honnestly don't think the 2012 will be able to compete. Build (no plastic face), picture, sound, specs, support, firmware updates...

Pity, because I was happy with my DVD-3910 (apart from some quibbles that is), but I am afraid that I am done with Denon...

Denon has dissapointed me a few times, but I still love their products (at least their players and AVR's). They really do know how to design very good-sounding (universal) players.

I own, both, the DVD-3930CI and DVD-3800BDCI universal DVD and BD players. Both perform very well respectively, exceptional video and sound quality all the way around. Beautifully designed inside-out. However upon purchasing both products, after maybe two months use, I experienced failures (mostly laser failures, freezing/skipping while playing music disc's, etc.,...). I had to return both units to factory, Denon was real good about repair/handling costs. Both have oeprated very well since (although my DVD-3930CI has been back to factory for laser failure two additional times @$350.00 a-pop).

I believe a lot of these recent product failures and delays are related to modern-day China-based production logistics. Producing quantities of these items get very complex.

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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

I double checked with Denon about the construction of the 2012, and this time I was told that it will have a metal face. Hard to know the truth until someone gets one of them in hand. Metal or plastic?

I wanna bet this unit will have metal face at that price (I hope). I think this player will be good as advertised. Denon will come around............

Seems this new player is unique, it has "morphed" from it's initial product development reality (as the DBP-2011UDCI) to it's current soon-to-be-released reality (as the DBP-2012UDCI). I think this is partly due to the fact that this model, more than ever, is a complete "product-sharing" development between Denon and Marantz (UD7006). Both share (as far as I understand) complete similiar design and functionality. Only uniqueness are their front-panels. As far as I know this [complete] product-sharing reality has been aparent only recently (maybe the last year or so specific model releases of particular AVR and player models).

I'm a new owner of a Marantz AV7005 processor, it's a great performer for the price ($1500.00 retail). The front panel has an aluminum face with plastic "ear" piece's on each side providing that current Marantz industrial design style. While it does look good I thought this was cheesy, but can care-less at this point. It seems the UD7006 model will most-likely "partner" with the AV7005 (and a few other Marantz AVR models) once it is released.

I noticed Crutchfield has now listed the UD7006 release for June 3, 2011
http://www.crutchfield.com/s_642UD70...d7006&skipvs=T

I was waiting for the Marantz UD7006 release, however I purchased an Oppo BDP-95 universal player and Sony SCD-XA5400ES dedicated CD/SACD player instead (both for a total cost of $2100.00)
post #50 of 126
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

I called Denon USA and they confirmed that the face of the 2012 is plastic, which is surprising given the $200 premium of this player over the last gen 2010 player that did have a metal face. This just isn't the build quality I would expect from a player at this price.

Just bought the 2012 yesterday. I can confirm that the front is plastic.
post #51 of 126
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Originally Posted by Gjoas View Post

Just bought the 2012 yesterday. I can confirm that the front is plastic.

okay, the verdict is in- it's plastic

So what do you think so far? How do CD music sources sound?
post #52 of 126
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Originally Posted by Gjoas View Post

Just bought the 2012 yesterday. I can confirm that the front is plastic.

Thanks for taking the time to post and put an end to the guessing going on.
post #53 of 126
Thread Starter 
As a faithful Denon supporter having owned 5 receivers through the years (currently using 3), and used several of there dvd players, and current denon blu-ray player, i must say i am dissappointed in the direction that the company is going.

Their new receiver line looks awful, and i think there last best line was the xx10 line. They seem to be "cheeping" down their products, and maintaing high prices. They havent even introduced a successor to the BDP-2010 in over a year now. I wont even get started on a missing new flagship player.

Unfortunately i think i will order the Oppo-93. It received a steller review recently in Hometheater magazine

http://www.hometheater.com/content/o...blu-ray-player

Sorry Denon.. you have failed, and i am not waiting to pay $899 on plastic blu-ray player
post #54 of 126
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Originally Posted by tn001d View Post
As a faithful Denon supporter having owned 5 receivers through the years (currently using 3), and used several of there dvd players, and current denon blu-ray player, i must say i am dissappointed in the direction that the company is going.

Their new receiver line looks awful, and i think there last best line was the xx10 line. They seem to be "cheeping" down their products, and maintaing high prices. They havent even introduced a successor to the BDP-2010 in over a year now. I wont even get started on a missing new flagship player.

Unfortunately i think i will order the Oppo-93. It received a steller review recently in Hometheater magazine

http://www.hometheater.com/content/o...blu-ray-player

Sorry Denon.. you have failed, and i am not waiting to pay $899 on plastic blu-ray player
Well, to denon's defense, they are not alone. Pioneer threw in the towel and now slaps a label on some crap Sharp players. Nad rebadges old LGs. Onkyo rebages cheap LGs and funai clones a la Denon. Sony has all but given up on their ES Blu ray players.

let's face it - exponentially growing streaming content and the oppo 83's feature and pricing cut the mid and high end blu ray market off at the knees. we're now in a waning format that will ultimately give way to our primary media players morphing more into roku boxes than Denon DVD-3800BDCIs.

That said, throwing a cheap plastic fascia on a $900 player is not only embarrassing but also insulting.
post #55 of 126
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

That said, throwing a cheap plastic fascia on a $900 player is not only embarrassing but also insulting.
I have to agree, and that's why I canceled my order for this player and went with the DBP-2010 for $300 on close-out. It doesn't do 3D, or SACD, but I will frankly never use those features any way. I'm only going to use it as a transport connected to my AVR-5308, and for that, it meets my needs. Metal face, matching Denon aesthetics and build quality that justifies the original $700 MSRP.
post #56 of 126
now I'm very curious whether it's sister product, the Marantz UD7006, will carry a fulll plastic facade as well?

I'm also very curious how well the DBP-2012UDCI will ultimately perform despite the plastic?
post #57 of 126
I have a feeling that BluRay is on it's way out, with streaming gaining in speed. I was not going to give in on streaming when I purchased my Denon 4010. I purchased a Musical Fidelity V-Link to try with my HP Laptop and my Denon AVR. I am very surprised at the quality of the V-Link. I purchased a very good USB Cable, a glass Optical Cable, and a high end SPDIF Coaxial Cable for the connections. I am using JRiver Media Center 15 and I ripped a few CD's to flac for testing. JRiver MC has setting for Audiophiles, very very good sound, outputting 24/96 from my Laptop to Denon AVR where AL24 processing takes over. I downloaded EAC yesterday, and after setting it up properly via web instructions, testing playback through JRiver MC 15, I ripped a few of the same CD's that I ripped with MC 15. An EAC ripped cd is much better quality that the ripped cd's from MC 15. In fact listening tests confirm that the EAC ripped cd's from MC 15, through the V-Link and Denon AVR, sound better than playing the original CD through 2CH analog from my Denon BDP-4010UDCI.

I could have saved myself from purchasing the Denon BDP-4010UDCI for use as an all in one player. In fact wish I would have kept my Oppo 83SE for use as BluRay/Universal player, and gone the streaming route that I now use, PC, V-Link, and Denon AVR. I am in full ripping mode now with EAC, and about 500+ Redbook CD's to go. I like the Denon BDP-4010UDCI, but now plan to use it for BR and MCH DVD-A and SACD only.
post #58 of 126
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I have a feeling that BluRay is on it's way out, with streaming gaining in speed

I think BluRay will be happening for a while, especially if/when they are able to finally reduce the price, and DVD production is completely halted. I think both forms, BD and streaming, will be popular.

Although, you're right, with products such as "WD TV Live Hub" you can essentially stream raw content directly from external drive(s) directly to source:
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=570

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I downloaded EAC yesterday, and after setting it up properly via web instructions, testing playback through JRiver MC 15, I ripped a few of the same CD's that I ripped with MC 15. An EAC ripped cd is much better quality that the ripped cd's from MC 15. In fact listening tests confirm that the EAC ripped cd's from MC 15, through the V-Link and Denon AVR, sound better than playing the original CD through 2CH analog from my Denon BDP-4010UDCI

interesting and ironic. I was just reading and learning about Exact Audio Copy (EAC) product, seems to be very good at what it does.

Actually I was just browsing their website
http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/

trying to figure out which was the correct link for the product? was it this?
http://www.nch.com.au/rip/index.html...FQEKbAodCyogDQ

or this?
http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/en/inde...rces/download/

Home page is not laid-out clearly

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Originally Posted by djwobbrock View Post

I am in full ripping mode now with EAC, and about 500+ Redbook CD's to go. I like the Denon BDP-4010UDCI, but now plan to use it for BR and MCH DVD-A and SACD only

I'm getting set-up to do this myself. Just realizing my huge WindowsMedia archive is 64Kbps and 128Kbps. The max resolution WinMedia 12 provides is 192Kbps. So I have to make a decision on which route to go, using either EAC or something else.

Just bought two Western Digital WD MyBookLive (2TB) external drives:
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=280

I have approx 900 ReBook CD's, 120 SACD's (maybe half are rip-able hybrids), 40 DVD-A's, a few DualDisc titles, maybe 20 HDCD titles.

Will most likely stream through my Oppo BDP-95 once things are set-up. Also play BD/DVD titles, also DVD-A and HDCD titles.

Also own approx 60 BD titles and maybe 80 DVD titles. I plan to use "AnyDVD HD" product to extract BD and DVD content and rip to external drives:
http://www.slysoft.com/en/anydvdhd.html

Will use Sony SCD-XA5400ES to play SACD's and CD's.
post #59 of 126
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

I think BluRay will be happening for a while, especially if/when they are able to finally reduce the price, and DVD production is completely halted. I think both forms, BD and streaming, will be popular.

Although, you're right, with products such as "WD TV Live Hub" you can essentially stream raw content directly from external drive(s) directly to source:


interesting and ironic. I was just reading and learning about Exact Audio Copy (EAC) product, seems to be very good at what it does.

Actually I was just browsing their website
http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/

trying to figure out which was the correct link for the product? was it this?
http://www.nch.com.au/rip/index.html...FQEKbAodCyogDQ


I have approx 900 ReBook CD's, 120 SACD's (maybe half are rip-able hybrids), 40 DVD-A's, a few DualDisc titles, maybe 20 HDCD titles.

Will most likely stream through my Oppo BDP-95 once things are set-up. Also play BD/DVD titles, also DVD-A and HDCD titles.

Also own approx 60 BD titles and maybe 80 DVD titles. I plan to use "AnyDVD HD" product to extract BD and DVD content and rip to external drives:
http://www.slysoft.com/en/anydvdhd.html

Will use Sony SCD-XA5400ES to play SACD's and CD's.

WestCoastD, Sorry I don't know how to post partial Quote's, so my response may be confusing!

WestCoastD, I have been with Blockbuster for 2 years for BR rental, they were just purchased by DishNetwork, and the streaming wars are already being talked about. I have 3 BR rentals in the top ten of my Queue that have been on "order" for over a month. The reason I say it is on it's way out, more money to be made streaming video via Netflix, Blockbuster, etc. JRiver Media Center 16, the next version of MC and it will include Netflix and Blockbuster streaming.

http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/en/inde...rces/download/

^Is the correct link, EAC Beta 1, here is a link to setup and use:

http://carltonbale.com/cd-audio-extraction

EAC is the best ripper, it uses CC2 for error checking, and gives you the results track by track. JRiver Media Center 15 is excellent, well worth the money, but rip using EAC, you won't regret it. I use flac at 1024Kbps with EAC, hard drive space is cheap now, the reason MP3's were used back then was the need to compress. With flac you get some compression, but it is lossless audio. Listening to MP3's doesn't make sense any more, other than portable devices, ipod, etc. flac is free and is supported in more and more software and hardware moving forward.

I stumbled on to the Musical Fidelity V-Link (24/96) ($169) quite by accident, was looking for a streaming solution without purchasing a DAC. Best money I have ever spent, for quality improvement in my system. The V-Link is USB from PC, outputs are optical or coaxial SPDIF, direct Denon AVR Pre/Pro input, use DAC's in the Denon, very nice. I use a high quality glass Toslink, Belkin Gold USB cable. This connection is zero jitter out to my Denon AVR. With the Audiophile settings used in MC 15, (upsamples output to 24/96) WASAPI Event feeds the V-Link direct, like a soundcard capable of 24/95, sent to Denon with AL24 processing, then D/A conversion is done once, then out to 2CH amp. I sold my Denon 3930, and purchased a Denon 4010, but the PC USB connection via V-Link to Denon AVR, is way better than spinning Redbook CD's in the Denon 4010. My Denon AVR does not have the same BB DAC's as the 4010 (BB 1796), but the path that I have chosen beats my old Oppo and the Denon 3930 and 4010. The 4010 will be used for BR, DVD-A and SACD, I own less than 100 of these, but I will focus on Redbook CD's and HD Track downloads. I like the sound and ease of using MC 15, I feel like I am at another level. I can see why digital streaming is the way of the future!
post #60 of 126
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I like the sound and ease of using MC 15, I feel like I am at another level. I can see why digital streaming is the way of the future!

thanks for your input. I will check out more on James River Media Center 15, I've seen it mentioned a few times on this forum
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