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post #1051 of 1889
11/27/12 at 3:35am
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Gentlemen, I definitely appreciate the feedback on the JL Fathom performance. I've been a longtime admirer of the Fathoms (hence they are my first choice for my small, soon to be treated, upstairs media room). I'm just trying to find a used one for a cool sub-$2k steal after (if) my projector upgrade occurs. If I can't find one, I'll keep the sealed Emotiva Ultra Sub 12 that's currently up there. It performs very well, but my Submersives in the main theater have spoiled me and raised my expectations of what bass should be....then again...there's the Hsu ULS-15 which may do the trick in that room if I can't find a used Fathom at the right price/time, as it also meets my size requirements for that small secondary room.

I would like to see 4 submersives square off against 4 JL Fathoms in the same treated room. That would be an Epic shootout for the ages. Our children and our childrens' children would remember such legend! Lol.
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post #1052 of 1889
11/27/12 at 3:58am
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Gentlemen, I definitely appreciate the feedback on the JL Fathom performance. I've been a longtime admirer of the Fathoms (hence they are my first choice for my small, soon to be treated, upstairs media room). I'm just trying to find a used one for a cool sub-$2k steal after (if) my projector upgrade occurs. If I can't find one, I'll keep the sealed Emotiva Ultra Sub 12 that's currently up there. It performs very well, but my Submersives in the main theater have spoiled me and raised my expectations of what bass should be....then again...there's the Hsu ULS-15 which may do the trick in that room if I can't find a used Fathom at the right price/time, as it also meets my size requirements for that small secondary room.
I would like to see 4 submersives square off against 4 JL Fathoms in the same treated room. That would be an Epic shootout for the ages. Our children and our childrens' children would remember such legend! Lol.

Seatons are more powerful, two subs in a unit wouldn't be much of a square off smile.gif but its not about that its wether they can preform and the Fathoms do properly calibrated in a right room.
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post #1053 of 1889
11/27/12 at 4:12am
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Seatons are more powerful, two subs in a unit wouldn't be much of a square off smile.gif but its not about that its wether they can preform and the Fathoms do properly calibrated in a right room.

Yeah that's a good point...my dream shootout wouldn't be apples to apples due to diff driver sizes and amounts, thus--rendering it a technically unfair comparison.

Hey Frank, how do you like your AVP? I Saw one on audiogon for an absolute steal, but it didnt have the hdmi or xt32 upgrades. I was still tempted though!
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post #1054 of 1889
11/27/12 at 4:17am
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Yeah that's a good point...my dream shootout wouldn't be apples to apples due to diff driver sizes and amounts, thus--rendering it a technically unfair comparison.
Hey Frank, how do you like your AVP? I Saw one on audiogon for an absolute steal, but it didnt have the hdmi or xt32 upgrades. I was still tempted though!

I love my AVP esp after the XT32 upgrade couldn't be more happier Matt. If you do get it, make sure you get the upgrade. Have you been considering any other per amp upgrade Matt?
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post #1055 of 1889
11/27/12 at 4:26am
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Yeah that's a good point...my dream shootout wouldn't be apples to apples due to diff driver sizes and amounts, thus--rendering it a technically unfair comparison.
Hey Frank, how do you like your AVP? I Saw one on audiogon for an absolute steal, but it didnt have the hdmi or xt32 upgrades. I was still tempted though!
Hey Matt,
The AVP is a hell of a machine but I would suggest you keep yourintegra and if you the oppotunity go for the Audyssey Pro calibration of your room, it's a hell of a change!cool.gif
Edited by aldiallo - 11/27/12 at 4:32am
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post #1056 of 1889
11/27/12 at 4:30am
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I love my AVP esp after the XT32 upgrade couldn't be more happier Matt. If you do get it, make sure you get the upgrade. Have you been considering any other per amp upgrade Matt?

Oh nah, haven't been considering upgrading my processor at all. I am very happy with the Integra, but i stumbled onto the unit after posting my old Denon 4310 on Audiogon and the price had me thinking things that were bad for my wallet. Lol...very tempting! That Denon model and the Anthem Statement D2v are as good as it gets in the AVP arena.
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post #1057 of 1889
11/27/12 at 4:31am
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How to Train Your Dragon: AMAZING!!!!!!!
This film is something wonderful It makes me glad to have a capable system. The thrills for me began when the Night Fury made its first scream at the beginning of the film (I actually played most of this movie at reference, which is rare for me...but quite rewarding) Great use of the surrounds and most definitely an LFE superstar. The star of the show, for me anyway, was the LFE extravaganza toward the end where the titanic dragon crashes the ground. There are also great 40-50Hz (estimated by ear) rumblings in some dragons' throaty roar. I have to say, the audio and visual fidelity of this film is absolutely first-rate. I'm impressed not only with the A/V, but with the character design in general. The cartoon-esque designs of the dragons was a fresh take on a very familiar supposedly-evil creature. Let me say--the over-the-shoulder flight scene, on my 120" 2:35 screen had me replaying that scene again and again after the movie ended....it's such an immersive perspective. I was also surprised by the depth and minute details, like Introducing dragon classifications...I absolutely loved this film!!!
biggrin.gif. I think that's all I need to add here.
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post #1058 of 1889
11/27/12 at 4:37am
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Originally Posted by aldiallo View Post

Hey Matt,
The AVP is a hell of a machine but I would suggest you keep yourintegra and if you the oppotunity go for the Audyssey Pro calibration of your room, it's a hell of a change!cool.gif

 

I agree Pro calibration is a good way to go

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post #1059 of 1889
11/27/12 at 4:43am
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You have 4 F112's, right? I'm not surprised you have more output than my duals. Also, my room is not sealed and it's large and heavily bass trapped. It sucks up bass and provides little room gain.
I posted that as a "positive" comment about the JL subs, which I thoroughly enjoyed owning. For a smaller system in a smaller room, I think a single F112 could be an excellent choice.
It's all good. smile.gif
Craig

 

I had remove my Bass traps as it was sucking out bass at 80hz. Once we removed it was all good again. Its all good here too Craig I was just posting my opinion on the Fathoms as an owner.  :)

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post #1060 of 1889
11/27/12 at 4:46am
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How to Train Your Dragon: AMAZING!!!!!!!
This film is something wonderful It makes me glad to have a capable system. The thrills for me began when the Night Fury made its first scream at the beginning of the film (I actually played most of this movie at reference, which is rare for me...but quite rewarding) Great use of the surrounds and most definitely an LFE superstar. The star of the show, for me anyway, was the LFE extravaganza toward the end where the titanic dragon crashes the ground. There are also great 40-50Hz (estimated by ear) rumblings in some dragons' throaty roar. I have to say, the audio and visual fidelity of this film is absolutely first-rate. I'm impressed not only with the A/V, but with the character design in general. The cartoon-esque designs of the dragons was a fresh take on a very familiar supposedly-evil creature. Let me say--the over-the-shoulder flight scene, on my 120" 2:35 screen had me replaying that scene again and again after the movie ended....it's such an immersive perspective. I was also surprised by the depth and minute details, like Introducing dragon classifications...I absolutely loved this film!!!

 

Its a fantastic film, its actully one of my favourites. You got to watch TDKR the LFE on that was amazing watched it last night and one word " Awesome"

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post #1061 of 1889
11/27/12 at 5:44am
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Hey Matt,
The AVP is a hell of a machine but I would suggest you keep yourintegra and if you the oppotunity go for the Audyssey Pro calibration of your room, it's a hell of a change!cool.gif

Hey Al, With the pro route.....I've been thinking very seriously about it. I really want it, but I don't know how much difference it would make in a room where 8 measurement positions (currently available with non-pro xt32) is probably as high I can go. Although I do love the ability to save configurations! Ah....maybe it'll be a Christmas gift to myself. I'm a tough person to shop for. Lol. biggrin.gif
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post #1062 of 1889
11/27/12 at 5:47am
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biggrin.gif. I think that's all I need to add here.

An apt addition indeed! cool.gif
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Its a fantastic film, its actully one of my favourites. You got to watch TDKR the LFE on that was amazing watched it last night and one word " Awesome"

Man, im going to be watching TDK this week to prep for TDKR next Tuesday! I saw it in the theaters and was impressed! I can't wait to experience it at home! Ralph Potts' review also has me quite hyped!
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post #1063 of 1889
11/27/12 at 5:58am
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Hey Al, With the pro route.....I've been thinking very seriously about it. I really want it, but I don't know how much difference it would make in a room where 8 measurement positions (currently available with non-pro xt32) is probably as high I can go. Although I do love the ability to save configurations! Ah....maybe it'll be a Christmas gift to myself. I'm a tough person to shop for. Lol. biggrin.gif

If you only do 8 than I would think about it., but you can't go wrong with the pro. Who knows you can start charging for installations. smile.gif Btw if you do decide to get it they put you on the pro installer list address, phone number if you don't want people calling you email them to remove it. I ended up getting a few surprised calls eek.gif
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post #1064 of 1889
11/27/12 at 6:09am
I was thinking about a Pro install as well TBH. But I don't think I will do it. I only have one major listening position and Craig did a pretty tight bubble around it. I do think though that a pro cal will give you finer tuning to get your subs and mains crossed over even better if you think that's an issue. My room sounds so good now with just the XT32 that I really don't want to mess with anything. I may do more measuring at some point to see what my room looks like now. If there is any glaring problem, who knows what I will do. Now as I said, as is, it sounds great.
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post #1065 of 1889
11/27/12 at 6:17am
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I was thinking about a Pro install as well TBH. But I don't think I will do it. I only have one major listening position and Craig did a pretty tight bubble around it. I do thing though that a pro cal will give you finer tuning to get your subs and mains crossed over even better if you think that's an issue. My room sounds so good now with just the XT32 that I really don't want to mess with anything. I may do more measuring at some point to see what my room looks like now. If there is any glaring problem, who knows what I will do. Now as I said, as is, it sounds great.


If it sounds great Mike don't touch it, I did once and what a mess. Won't be doing that again.
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post #1066 of 1889
11/27/12 at 1:43pm
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Well, it looks like my upgrade to an RS56 is not going to happen. I'm having a surprisingly difficult time selling my RS45, which I should probably just take as a sign that now is not the time to upgrade...
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post #1067 of 1889
11/27/12 at 2:31pm
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If you only do 8 than I would think about it., but you can't go wrong with the pro. Who knows you can start charging for installations. smile.gif Btw if you do decide to get it they put you on the pro installer list address, phone number if you don't want people calling you email them to remove it. I ended up getting a few surprised calls eek.gif

Lol, thanks for the heads up! I may leave my name on theand do calibrations on the weekends.
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post #1068 of 1889
11/27/12 at 5:45pm
The advantage of Pro for me was not about number of measurements but rather the flexibility of crossover choices and crossover optimization.

Use CraigJohns 8 MLP focused measurements with Pro and u will get great results and the ability to (fairly) quickly try various optimized crossover options.

My $0.02
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post #1069 of 1889
11/28/12 at 12:29am
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Hey Al, With the pro route.....I've been thinking very seriously about it. I really want it, but I don't know how much difference it would make in a room where 8 measurement positions (currently available with non-pro xt32) is probably as high I can go. Although I do love the ability to save configurations! Ah....maybe it'll be a Christmas gift to myself. I'm a tough person to shop for. Lol. biggrin.gif

Hey Matt, for me is not the number of mesurements you can do with it but the flexibility and accuracy it gives you.

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If you only do 8 than I would think about it., but you can't go wrong with the pro. Who knows you can start charging for installations. smile.gif Btw if you do decide to get it they put you on the pro installer list address, phone number if you don't want people calling you email them to remove it. I ended up getting a few surprised calls eek.gif

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The advantage of Pro for me was not about number of measurements but rather the flexibility of crossover choices and crossover optimization.
Use CraigJohns 8 MLP focused measurements with Pro and u will get great results and the ability to (fairly) quickly try various optimized crossover options.
My $0.02

That's exactly what I think!! smile.gif
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post #1070 of 1889
11/28/12 at 4:34am
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Well, it looks like my upgrade to an RS56 is not going to happen. I'm having a surprisingly difficult time selling my RS45, which I should probably just take as a sign that now is not the time to upgrade...

The RS56 is the one with the E-shift2 ? Maybe next year they will bring out a native 4K projector.
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post #1071 of 1889
11/28/12 at 5:35am
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The RS56 is the one with the E-shift2 ? Maybe next year they will bring out a native 4K projector.
It might be better to wait and do the upgrade then!! smile.gif
Edited by aldiallo - 11/28/12 at 7:42am
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post #1072 of 1889
11/28/12 at 5:47am
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I might be better to wait and do the upgrade then!! smile.gif

Don't wait aldiallo I could be wrong, could be another couple of years yet.
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post #1073 of 1889
11/28/12 at 7:48am
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Don't wait aldiallo I could be wrong, could be another couple of years yet.
sorry Franin, typing problem with my keyboard redface.gif; I meant to say It might be better to wait, but this was concerning Matt, not me, I'm definetly going for a projector next year and I've already started visiting some showrooms in order to see what will suit me best as image delivered by the projectors (so far the Sony VW50 and the JVC X55 are on my top list (not sure if the reference name are the same in the US or Australia)) and I still got to convience the wife which is always not an easy task and above all if it's not a dedicated room!
Edited by aldiallo - 11/28/12 at 8:04am
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post #1074 of 1889
11/28/12 at 10:42am
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A special thanks to Frank, Audioguy, and Al for the insight into the additional (and more important) functions of Audyssey Pro. I think I'm going to scoop up a license and kit next month as a Christmas present to self!

Oh man...4k... I don't see native 4K content being released on a large scale until Blu Ray achieves or approaches the level of ubiquity that the DVD format enjoyed in the mid-2000's. Blu ray disc manufacturers will need to be able to comfortably eliminate "blu ray/dvd combo packs" without worrying about losing a "large enough to matter"portion of it's consumer base. Most people are too enamoured with 3d to even consider 4K displays, thus, a dearth of 4k content will probably exist for quite some time. (Small demand, no supply.)

Maybe I am just being a pessimist...but I fear 4k, as a marketable product, is a long way off.

I do think I should probably wait before upgrading the Projector though...I will probably go for a rs50-something model in 2013.
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post #1075 of 1889
11/28/12 at 12:17pm
Matt,
if you do get the pro kit, I would be interested in any comparisons you may have. You are using XT32 right? I still need to get newer measurements but seeing all the work Craig put in(about 3 setups), I really don't feel like doing another one. Plus it sounds great as it is. But I am curious to hear any differences you may experience.
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post #1076 of 1889
11/28/12 at 2:06pm
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A special thanks to Frank, Audioguy, and Al for the insight into the additional (and more important) functions of Audyssey Pro. I think I'm going to scoop up a license and kit next month as a Christmas present to self!
Oh man...4k... I don't see native 4K content being released on a large scale until Blu Ray achieves or approaches the level of ubiquity that the DVD format enjoyed in the mid-2000's. Blu ray disc manufacturers will need to be able to comfortably eliminate "blu ray/dvd combo packs" without worrying about losing a "large enough to matter"portion of it's consumer base. Most people are too enamoured with 3d to even consider 4K displays, thus, a dearth of 4k content will probably exist for quite some time. (Small demand, no supply.)
Maybe I am just being a pessimist...but I fear 4k, as a marketable product, is a long way off.
I do think I should probably wait before upgrading the Projector though...I will probably go for a rs50-something model in 2013.

Actually, I like the combo packs, since I can watch the BD at home, then share the DVD at work, since I seem to be the "video guy" responsible for lunchtime entertainment. But then, I'm different.

As for 4K, we do have the first TVs coming out, and the new Oppo 105 will upscale any source to 4K. If these look good at all, it may encourage some people to consider making the move in anticipation of more content down the line. As for me, the semi-audiophile/videophile, I'm not interested and won't be anytime soon, at least as far as buying any gear. If my plasma goes down and 4K flat panels are not outrageously expensive, maybe.
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post #1077 of 1889
11/28/12 at 2:39pm
I think 4K content is still quite a time off in the future, so the need for a true 4k display is not even on my radar screen.

Apparently, I'm not a true videophile. My existing Oppo, a Darblet, and a calibrated JCV RS55 is way more than good enough for me and I have less than ZERO interest in 3D. (As I read the previous sentence, I sound like a 2 channel audiophile in a multichannel world !!).

For me, a well done audio presentation with great impact and dynamics, a sense of true envelopment and clean, tight and low bass does much more than an improved picture to draw me into the film. In fact, the first time I saw a real home theater demo was in the early 90's. On one day, I visited an upscale high end store in Beverly Hills and saw a Sony CRT projector on a 8 foot wide screen with what was then the first Snell THX speakers witrh Dolby surround. I was massively impressed The next day, I was in Sacramento and heard the exact same audio equipment in a much smaller space on a 50 inch Mitsubishi TV. After the first few minutes of the demo, it was clearly all about the audio.
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post #1078 of 1889
11/28/12 at 4:11pm
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I think 4K content is still quite a time off in the future, so the need for a true 4k display is not even on my radar screen.
Apparently, I'm not a true videophile. My existing Oppo, a Darblet, and a calibrated JCV RS55 is way more than good enough for me and I have less than ZERO interest in 3D. (As I read the previous sentence, I sound like a 2 channel audiophile in a multichannel world !!).
For me, a well done audio presentation with great impact and dynamics, a sense of true envelopment and clean, tight and low bass does much more than an improved picture to draw me into the film. In fact, the first time I saw a real home theater demo was in the early 90's. On one day, I visited an upscale high end store in Beverly Hills and saw a Sony CRT projector on a 8 foot wide screen with what was then the first Snell THX speakers witrh Dolby surround. I was massively impressed The next day, I was in Sacramento and heard the exact same audio equipment in a much smaller space on a 50 inch Mitsubishi TV. After the first few minutes of the demo, it was clearly all about the audio.
I would call you an audiophile, but I wouldn't want to insult you! biggrin.gif

Craig
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post #1079 of 1889
11/28/12 at 8:28pm
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I would call you an audiophile, but I wouldn't want to insult you! biggrin.gif
Craig

That would not be an insult at least based upon the definition of an audiophile from Wikipedia:

An audiophile is a person with a strong interest in high-quality sound (usually music) reproduction.[1]

A key goal of audiophiles is to capture the experience of a live musical performance in a room with good acoustics, and reproduce it at home. [2]

I AM one of those.

What I am NOT is represented by those individuals who call themselves audiophiles but disregard all science and scientific methodologies (except in those rare cases where it may support their position) and believe in every imaginable form of audio snake oil and anti-science audio product imaginable. PT Barnum is recognized as speaking about these "suckers" but actually the quote "There is a sucker born every minute" was from Captain Alexander Williams, a New York City police inspector.

Not a lot on most AVS threads but there are forums you can visit that are infested with these "audiophiles"
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post #1080 of 1889
11/29/12 at 3:35am
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That would not be an insult at least based upon the definition of an audiophile from Wikipedia:
An audiophile is a person with a strong interest in high-quality sound (usually music) reproduction.[1]
A key goal of audiophiles is to capture the experience of a live musical performance in a room with good acoustics, and reproduce it at home. [2]
I AM one of those.
What I am NOT is represented by those individuals who call themselves audiophiles but disregard all science and scientific methodologies (except in those rare cases where it may support their position) and believe in every imaginable form of audio snake oil and anti-science audio product imaginable. PT Barnum is recognized as speaking about these "suckers" but actually the quote "There is a sucker born every minute" was from Captain Alexander Williams, a New York City police inspector.
Not a lot on most AVS threads but there are forums you can visit that are infested with these "audiophiles"

Ah yes, the snake oil audiophiles. Don't get me started on some reviews, with comments akin to "These $8k cables did indeed produce as good a sound as I've heard in my room, with a slightly veiled transparency trounced by it's minimal decay...".You get stuck asking what the heck you just read, trying to figure out if the review was positive or negative.

I just get stuck wondering why $8k cables exist, and why words of any form are being typed about them.
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