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post #1321 of 1874
1/11/13 at 4:37am
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Looking forward to it man!! What I currently have for subs is already very strong for my current room and even my future room but the headroom is good for now and beyond so these transducers sound like icing on the cake to use a good term.
Yep, they will be the icing on the cake.
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post #1322 of 1874
1/11/13 at 10:23am
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Greetings Sarge, man, AVS is such a great place!! I actually just sold my 103 last week, but I do know that the HDMI performance is absolutely identical. I did have them both in the rack for about 48 hours, and just for kicks, I did compare the analog performance of the two (with audyssey disengaged to avoid D-A-D conversion) and, as I expected, the 105 was definitely the superior player. I do a lot of analog listening these days, and the room is treated to the point where is sounds great without Audyssey for two channel. My HDMI inputs all have Audyssey turned on though. Only the XLR analog input has Audyssey turned off by default (I love the flexibility of the Integra 80.3!). thinking about picking up one of them....or both biggrin.gif ?


Brolic,

So I have quite the dilemma. My friend bought both the Oppo 93 and 95 earlier this year and demoed both at my house. While I didn't notice any picture quality difference between either unit, I loved the sound quality difference on the 95 much better with its pure analog bliss - so I can assume that's why you kept the 105. The dilemma is, I have had a 7.1 system for many years now and am ready to upgrade to either 9.2 or even 9.3. I am dedicated to 100% home theater via streaming (I have close to 7 terabytes of HD movie and TV content), and never watch bluray discs anymore. The exception to this is for 3D; I am still not convinced 3D rips can best the actual disc format. 2D is a no brainer as I recently demoed a 32 gig iso of Dark Knight Rises on the Oppo 95, and it was flawless.

I have a very old but trusty Pioneer Elite receiver (pre-HDMI) that is used strictly for sound processing only via 7.1 analog as well as optical/coaxial. This unit needs to be retired; though I have been pretty shocked at how it seems quality has been sacrificed in AVRs these days. For example, the feature packed Onkyo line seems to suffer from overheating and PCB failures. I constantly read about quality issues and returns with them. I thought about going back to Pioneer, but after seeing them in person, they look and feel much cheaper than the Pioneer of a decade ago when I got my Elite. Yamaha's Aventage line seems good, but like Pioneer with MCACC, are still using their proprietary room acoustic software, and I am quite determined to get a new AVR with Audyssey XT32 that all the pro reviews are raving about now.

Therefore the only options that I would now consider are either the Denon 4520 or the upcoming Integra 80.4 preamp. Quality or bug issues are almost non-existent with either flagship unit from these companies. The caveat to all this is the Oppo 103 vs 105, I am not sure which to get. If I were going to stay with 7.1, the decision would be simple: get the 105. Using 7.1 analog limits you to just that, 7.1 (or really 5.1 as 99.99% of the bluray content available is mixed like this). When I demoed Dark Knight Rises via 7.1, the rear 2 channels were never active since it was mixed as a DTS-HD 5.1 soundtrack. While it sounded fantastic, I am still making the conscious decision of going down the route of Audyssey XT32 with 9.2/3.

My thinking is, the flagship Denon and Integra both have reference 32 bit DACs in their units, and quite possibly might be the only competition to the mighty Sabre DAC the Oppo uses. As I understand it, XT32 should be EQ'ing your subs, whereas the Oppo just has trim and crossover controls. I can only imagine bass management would be superior on your Integra. What I am curious is, what do you think of the overall sound you get from your Integra (with Audyssey) over the Oppo 105 with analog?

By the way, have you read anything about the new DSX 2 mode Audyssey just announced at CES? It seems like that is the only real home theater announcement I have seen from CES this year.
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post #1323 of 1874
1/11/13 at 5:46pm
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Brolic,

So I have quite the dilemma. My friend bought both the Oppo 93 and 95 earlier this year and demoed both at my house. While I didn't notice any picture quality difference between either unit, I loved the sound quality difference on the 95 much better with its pure analog bliss - so I can assume that's why you kept the 105. The dilemma is, I have had a 7.1 system for many years now and am ready to upgrade to either 9.2 or even 9.3. I am dedicated to 100% home theater via streaming (I have close to 7 terabytes of HD movie and TV content), and never watch bluray discs anymore. The exception to this is for 3D; I am still not convinced 3D rips can best the actual disc format. 2D is a no brainer as I recently demoed a 32 gig iso of Dark Knight Rises on the Oppo 95, and it was flawless.

I have a very old but trusty Pioneer Elite receiver (pre-HDMI) that is used strictly for sound processing only via 7.1 analog as well as optical/coaxial. This unit needs to be retired; though I have been pretty shocked at how it seems quality has been sacrificed in AVRs these days. For example, the feature packed Onkyo line seems to suffer from overheating and PCB failures. I constantly read about quality issues and returns with them. I thought about going back to Pioneer, but after seeing them in person, they look and feel much cheaper than the Pioneer of a decade ago when I got my Elite. Yamaha's Aventage line seems good, but like Pioneer with MCACC, are still using their proprietary room acoustic software, and I am quite determined to get a new AVR with Audyssey XT32 that all the pro reviews are raving about now.

Therefore the only options that I would now consider are either the Denon 4520 or the upcoming Integra 80.4 preamp. Quality or bug issues are almost non-existent with either flagship unit from these companies. The caveat to all this is the Oppo 103 vs 105, I am not sure which to get. If I were going to stay with 7.1, the decision would be simple: get the 105. Using 7.1 analog limits you to just that, 7.1 (or really 5.1 as 99.99% of the bluray content available is mixed like this). When I demoed Dark Knight Rises via 7.1, the rear 2 channels were never active since it was mixed as a DTS-HD 5.1 soundtrack. While it sounded fantastic, I am still making the conscious decision of going down the route of Audyssey XT32 with 9.2/3.

My thinking is, the flagship Denon and Integra both have reference 32 bit DACs in their units, and quite possibly might be the only competition to the mighty Sabre DAC the Oppo uses. As I understand it, XT32 should be EQ'ing your subs, whereas the Oppo just has trim and crossover controls. I can only imagine bass management would be superior on your Integra. What I am curious is, what do you think of the overall sound you get from your Integra (with Audyssey) over the Oppo 105 with analog?

By the way, have you read anything about the new DSX 2 mode Audyssey just announced at CES? It seems like that is the only real home theater announcement I have seen from CES this year.

Yes indeed, the analog stage is my primary reason for owning the Oppo BDP-105 and selling the 103. Audyssey XT32 is absolutely remarkable and, for me, is a must-have--especially for movies.What software do you use to manage your streamed movies? J-River? I used to have a Pioneer VSX Receiver--MACC was my first foray into auto-calibration. Back then, I don't think it applied any AQ--I think it just found the right distances and set the levels, and that was about it. This is back in the mid-2000's. i didn't know there was an Integra 80.4 on the way already! Wow.....I'm slightly considering selling my 80.3 for the Marantz 8801--but my decision to do that depends on whether I want to go full 11.2 with my speaker upgrade...eventually. You can't go wrong with the Denon or Integra--the Denon may be the better value if you don't have a very large room to fill.

the bass management is indeed superior on the integra, as opposed to the Oppo. With Audyssey engaged, the Analog inputs sound very similar to HDMi because of the digital processing that audyssey employs. It's when Audyssey is off that the Oppo 105's analog outputs truly shine. I haven't heard about DSX2, but I'm gettin ready to look it up!
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post #1324 of 1874
1/11/13 at 7:17pm
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Yes indeed, the analog stage is my primary reason for owning the Oppo BDP-105 and selling the 103. Audyssey XT32 is absolutely remarkable and, for me, is a must-have--especially for movies.What software do you use to manage your streamed movies? J-River? I used to have a Pioneer VSX Receiver--MACC was my first foray into auto-calibration. Back then, I don't think it applied any AQ--I think it just found the right distances and set the levels, and that was about it. This is back in the mid-2000's. i didn't know there was an Integra 80.4 on the way already! Wow.....I'm slightly considering selling my 80.3 for the Marantz 8801--but my decision to do that depends on whether I want to go full 11.2 with my speaker upgrade...eventually. You can't go wrong with the Denon or Integra--the Denon may be the better value if you don't have a very large room to fill.

the bass management is indeed superior on the integra, as opposed to the Oppo. With Audyssey engaged, the Analog inputs sound very similar to HDMi because of the digital processing that audyssey employs. It's when Audyssey is off that the Oppo 105's analog outputs truly shine. I haven't heard about DSX2, but I'm gettin ready to look it up!

Brolic,

Yep my old Elite is also a vsx from the early 2000s. The MCACC does the Usual trim/level/distance settings. I still do find myself using a rat shack meter to verify the SPLs. I've gotten pretty excited about XT32 after reading all the rave reviews.

I believe the new .4 integra lineup is supposed to now be expandable to 11.4. The 70.4 specs are already listed stateside, while the 80.4 is only showing up in Europe. The Onkyo line last year introduced dts neo X with 11.4 as well; again I would avoid until they work out their quality issues though.

You know what man, I looked briefly into that Marantz when it was first announced and I concluded that based on the specs it was just the Marantz counterpart to the Denon 4520. Given that they are the same parent company, I wonder if they share the same platform.

Besides, it's scary that we see new receivers on a yearly basis now. I was expecting hdmi 2.0 to be announced officially at CES. Perhaps they will at CEDIA. That will certainly throw a monkey wrench into the home theater world like hdmi 1.4 did 3 years ago. I sometimes miss the old analog days where your gear was relevant for many years.

Yeah the oppo is a work of art indeed. The 95 was the most recent exposure I have had, and was quite impressed. The one thing I did not like though was the USB playback. I connected a few hard drives with test files and the oppo crashed them. Good thing it wasn't a full nas. I discovered that the oppo has to be powered down completely to mount/unmount safely. The folder structure is pretty primitive as well.

This is why I'm excited about the 103/105. I can connect my media player to the hdmi input of the oppo. Not only will you be able to take full advantage of the oppo AV processing, but you will have a more stable method of file playback.

You mentioned you were doing a speaker upgrade, how is that going?
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post #1325 of 1874
1/12/13 at 4:30am
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Oh wow….You know what that means! You’ve got to fly overone of these summers (maybe on vacation with the family) and check CEDIA-USA out! Just out of curiosity, have you traveled to the states before?

I would love to come to the States, never have been before. Would love to bring the family over one day, for Cedia. Been to Europe for 3 months when I was 19 years old but I was a bass player back then( its amazing how interests change smile.gif )
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post #1326 of 1874
1/13/13 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by SergeantYnot View Post

Brolic,

Yep my old Elite is also a vsx from the early 2000s. The MCACC does the Usual trim/level/distance settings. I still do find myself using a rat shack meter to verify the SPLs. I've gotten pretty excited about XT32 after reading all the rave reviews.

I believe the new .4 integra lineup is supposed to now be expandable to 11.4. The 70.4 specs are already listed stateside, while the 80.4 is only showing up in Europe. The Onkyo line last year introduced dts neo X with 11.4 as well; again I would avoid until they work out their quality issues though.

You know what man, I looked briefly into that Marantz when it was first announced and I concluded that based on the specs it was just the Marantz counterpart to the Denon 4520. Given that they are the same parent company, I wonder if they share the same platform.

Besides, it's scary that we see new receivers on a yearly basis now. I was expecting hdmi 2.0 to be announced officially at CES. Perhaps they will at CEDIA. That will certainly throw a monkey wrench into the home theater world like hdmi 1.4 did 3 years ago. I sometimes miss the old analog days where your gear was relevant for many years.

Yeah the oppo is a work of art indeed. The 95 was the most recent exposure I have had, and was quite impressed. The one thing I did not like though was the USB playback. I connected a few hard drives with test files and the oppo crashed them. Good thing it wasn't a full nas. I discovered that the oppo has to be powered down completely to mount/unmount safely. The folder structure is pretty primitive as well.

This is why I'm excited about the 103/105. I can connect my media player to the hdmi input of the oppo. Not only will you be able to take full advantage of the oppo AV processing, but you will have a more stable method of file playback.

You mentioned you were doing a speaker upgrade, how is that going?

Wow, sorry to hear that your 95 crashed the hard drives during USB playback. That must have been frustrating. Man, if they announce HDMI 2.0 at CEDIA this year, I'm going to highly upset at the amount of upgrades I'll have to make in the coming years.

BTW,.the upgrade is definitely on track, and I have a great idea of what I'm going to be getting now.
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I would love to come to the States, never have been before. Would love to bring the family over one day, for Cedia. Been to Europe for 3 months when I was 19 years old but I was a bass player back then( its amazing how interests change smile.gif )

Ah, so you were in a band, eh? Did you play bass guitar or the floor bass? If you ever swing by to the US, be sure to announce it so we US-based members can schedule a multi-theater/city tour! cool.gif
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post #1327 of 1874
1/13/13 at 6:11pm
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Just came back from PA where I had the privilege of listening to both the Legacy Signature SE's and the Legacy Focus SE's with two great and knowledgeable forum members (Dmark1 and craigjohn). At moderate listening levels, the tonal similarities between the two models made it difficult to discern one's "sound" from the other; however, when pushed to reference, the Focus SE clearly showed who was boss. What a great set of speakers.

smile.gif Ah, here's an interesting opportunity to poke fun at audio review publications that are scared of saying one speaker is better than another smile.gif:

Brolic: The Focus SE's had better, higher imaging than the Signature SE's. When pushed, the Focus SE's effortlessly conveyed material I was familiar with, as well as material that was new to me. The Signature SE's did a remarkable job of media conveyance as well, and in my current setup, they would be more than enough. Looking forward, however, required the pursuit of the Focus SE/Marquis HD front soundstage, as the next theater will require some serious dynamic capabilities.

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Audio Publication: Having heard the Signature SE loudspeakers, i can say that the Focus SE loudspeakers sounded as good as any speaker I've had in my listening room, and, in all likelihood, it's not likely that you will not like, or perhaps, dislike them. wink.gif

LOL, but seriously, in the last four months or so, I've gone to various dealers and listened to many, many speakers. The Legacy Focus SE speakers had the best imaging I've come across, and the bass extension was phenomenal in both the Signature SE and Focus SE speakers. In the Headfi track "Heartbeat," there was nary a discernible difference with the Submersive on or off. The track goes to about 35Hz.

I need to check my wallet into a rehab clinic, but not before there are Focus Se speakers in my theater room.
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post #1328 of 1874
1/13/13 at 7:55pm
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I need to check my wallet into a rehab clinic, but not before there are Focus Se speakers in my theater room.

First of all be careful of CraigJohn. He has cost me a LOT of money (but a great guy). Have you given up on the idea of auditioning Seaton Catalysts?
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post #1329 of 1874
1/13/13 at 8:25pm
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First of all be careful of CraigJohn. He has cost me a LOT of money (but a great guy). Have you given up on the idea of auditioning Seaton Catalysts?

Lol...yeah both Dennis and Craig are great folks. I haven't given up on the Catalysts, so much as I am unable to audition them before my speaker purchase deadline (other, less fun things kick in after the speaker upgrade). That being said, I still want to take you up on your offer to swing by your place in ATL and have a listen (and experience that superb room) when we take a trip down there, which we want to do this year.
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post #1330 of 1874
1/13/13 at 11:07pm
Regarding your question about TimeScapes and Samsara, to me both had way better PQ compared to Baraka. Baraka's transfer imho was only ok. TimeScapes has some pretty amazing footage which was filmed with a Red Epic and Canon 5D. Samsara was filmed in 65mm. Compared to each other, I thought TimeScapes had the better PQ( I like the "digital" look for documentary like films / film look for well...normal films?)
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post #1331 of 1874
1/14/13 at 4:23am
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Lol...yeah both Dennis and Craig are great folks. I haven't given up on the Catalysts, so much as I am unable to audition them before my speaker purchase deadline (other, less fun things kick in after the speaker upgrade). That being said, I still want to take you up on your offer to swing by your place in ATL and have a listen (and experience that superb room) when we take a trip down there, which we want to do this year.

Hey Double B if and when you do get down here by all means keep me in the loop because I would be honored to meet you also. Just be careful when you hear and see Chuck's system. It has a tendency to blow anyone away with it's capibilities. smile.gif
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post #1332 of 1874
1/14/13 at 4:33am
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Hey Double B if and when you do get down here by all means keep me in the loop because I would be honored to meet you also. Just be careful when you hear and see Chuck's system. It has a tendency to blow anyone away with it's capibilities. smile.gif

I second that post... It was like no other theater experience I have ever heard:D
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post #1333 of 1874
1/14/13 at 4:43am
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Just came back from PA where I had the privilege of listening to both the Legacy Signature SE's and the Legacy Focus SE's with two great and knowledgeable forum members (Dmark1 and craigjohn). At moderate listening levels, the tonal similarities between the two models made it difficult to discern one's "sound" from the other; however, when pushed to reference, the Focus SE clearly showed who was boss. What a great set of speakers.
If you had the time, you should have let me know you were up here. We may have been able to work something out. I still haven't heard the Legacy speakers yet but I hope to at some point,
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1/14/13 at 6:14am
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Regarding your question about TimeScapes and Samsara, to me both had way better PQ compared to Baraka. Baraka's transfer imho was only ok. TimeScapes has some pretty amazing footage which was filmed with a Red Epic and Canon 5D. Samsara was filmed in 65mm. Compared to each other, I thought TimeScapes had the better PQ( I like the "digital" look for documentary like films / film look for well...normal films?)

It's funny you mention the Baraka transfer being OK, as recent releases have caused me to think the same thing about Baraka. Restorations are far more popular these days, and better. I'm going to order both titles to check them out. Thanks man. Btw, I know I'm late, but per your sig, are you a vet? Of so, Happy Belated Veterans Day!
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Hey Double B if and when you do get down here by all means keep me in the loop because I would be honored to meet you also. Just be careful when you hear and see Chuck's system. It has a tendency to blow anyone away with it's capibilities. smile.gif

Hey HTG, I'll definitely keep you in the loop on any ATL trip I make. Oh I expect GREAT things from Chuck's system...100% Seaton can only be pure excellence!
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I second that post... It was like no other theater experience I have ever heard:D

Yeah man....I actually just checked your impressions on his thread a few days ago and really wished I could fit an Atlanta trip in soon.
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If you had the time, you should have let me know you were up here. We may have been able to work something out. I still haven't heard the Legacy speakers yet but I hope to at some point,

Sir Michael, oh I'll dedinitely be back in PA soon to check out Craig's implementation of width channels in his system. I'll definitely let you know when that'll be. You should definitely hear some Legacys man....they sound great, but at reference, the Focus SE speakers open up a whole new world!
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1/14/13 at 6:37am
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Sir Michael, oh I'll dedinitely be back in PA soon to check out Craig's implementation of width channels in his system. I'll definitely let you know when that'll be. You should definitely hear some Legacys man....they sound great, but at reference, the Focus SE speakers open up a whole new world!
Sounds great. With an over 95db sensitivity rating, I can imagine that the Focus SE's are series speakers that can fill a room. Mine are in the low 90's but for me, they can get plenty loud. I played some music this week end I was impressed with the bass in my system. I know my speakers only have dual 6 1/2 in woofers but the bass is pretty solid. My room is so small that I can't close to reference. Craig said that he heard some break up of my BE tweeter when really cranked but I could not make that out. Lucky for me I guess smile.gif. It seems like your choice is going to be a fun one.
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1/14/13 at 6:47am
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Craig said that he heard some break up of my BE tweeter when really cranked but I could not make that out. Lucky for me I guess smile.gif. .

How loud were you playing Mike? I play at refrence and seem to have no problems.
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1/14/13 at 6:52am
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Ah, so you were in a band, eh? Did you play bass guitar or the floor bass? If you ever swing by to the US, be sure to announce it so we US-based members can schedule a multi-theater/city tour! cool.gif

Electric Bass Guitar, but no band. Just loved the instrument back then. Hopefully one day will swing buy smile.gif
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post #1338 of 1874
1/14/13 at 7:19am
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How loud were you playing Mike? I play at refrence and seem to have no problems.
I don't remember to be honest with you. It was pretty loud. It was probably louder then I normally listen to. I just listened to some Evanescence that some one gave me. I have heard them on the radio but they really rock. The bass and drums are just out of this world. For music, I can reach what I am looking for volume wise without going too loud. I probably don't go below -18 or -17 to much. I may play a little music today and see what I find is a good solid level to me. For music, I rarely look to see where I am at. I just say, "yea, that sounds awesome I will leave it there." When Craig was over, we may have been really loud for me. Some where in the low teens if not louder. Maybe even single digits. But not near reference. Again. when I play a movie or music at my levels, I can't hear any break up. Craig was not criticizing my system though. It was just an observation he had. He felt that my room still sounded really good.
Here are some of his thoughts
" I've never felt like you were lacking in output with your speakers in your room" Craig has said Plenty of great things about my system. The one item I was referencing, so to speak was this
"At very high levels, I hear the tweeters in your speakers start to get a little bit "brittle". This could either be your amps starting to clip, or it could be the tweeters getting close to their limits. I've only heard it on rare occasions, and I don't think it's problematic, so it's not something I would concern myself with if I were you."
Let me add just one more thing. Above Craig said that it could be either amps starting to clip or the tweeters getting close to their limit. I don't think the amp was clipping because my amp can put put 300 watts into 8ohms. Now I know my amps are pretty good but I know that many people feel they are clinical and harsh. It's possible that we hit that threshold when Craig was over that one day. I know my amps are not the smoothest grove in town. I also don't want to take up Brolic's thread with more of my stuff. I am sure that he gets the Legacy stuff it will be an awesome system.

So I am not concerning myself with that since I can't even hear it smile.gif. That's all I meant. It was not a negative thing and I did not take it that way at all. There is no way I can play at reference on a consistent basis. Now Craig's room is 3X the size of mine and we listened to -3db all day and it sounded fantastic. I heard no problems and I had no fatigue or ear pain at the end of the day.
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post #1339 of 1874
1/14/13 at 11:17am
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Electric Bass Guitar, but no band. Just loved the instrument back then. Hopefully one day will swing buy smile.gif

Ah, well if you ever struck up a group, it could be called "Frankie and the Fathoms"....when your record sales go platinum, don't forget the little people!!! cool.gif
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1/14/13 at 12:25pm
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It's funny you mention the Baraka transfer being OK, as recent releases have caused me to think the same thing about Baraka. Restorations are far more popular these days, and better. I'm going to order both titles to check them out.

That is hilarious to me to read that others notice this as well. I was just having a debate with my friend how a lot of pre-HD movies that are being released on bluray are really just transfers. When you look at movies like Das Boot and Blade on Bluray, they look merely no better than an upconverted DVD of their original release. One of my biggest shockers was looking at the restoration of Aliens, and still seeing noticeable grain on the film negative that it was originally filmed with. However, when looking at content recorded on film, like Dr. No or Star Trek TOS, those look more pristine than most of the content being released today.
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1/14/13 at 5:30pm
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Ah, well if you ever struck up a group, it could be called "Frankie and the Fathoms"....when your record sales go platinum, don't forget the little people!!! cool.gif


Lol love it

My album will have songs like:

Come and take a ride on my black Glossy Sub

Mumma wants to know what the rumble is

She likes my big excursion

And the number one hit

Got a 12" baby biggrin.gif
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post #1342 of 1874
1/14/13 at 6:08pm
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Lol love it

My album will have songs like:

Come and take a ride on my black Glossy Sub

Mumma wants to know what the rumble is

She likes my big excursion

And the number one hit

Got a 12" baby biggrin.gif

Lmbo!!!! Every last one of those hits are classics! Don't forget the hit that landed you in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame: "15 H[oe]z Deep"
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1/14/13 at 6:50pm
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Lmbo!!!! Every last one of those hits are classics! Don't forget the hit that landed you in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame: "15 H[oe]z Deep"

Lol Every time I do a concert I get asked for that song biggrin.gif
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1/14/13 at 7:39pm
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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

I don't remember to be honest with you. It was pretty loud. It was probably louder then I normally listen to. I just listened to some Evanescence that some one gave me. I have heard them on the radio but they really rock. The bass and drums are just out of this world. For music, I can reach what I am looking for volume wise without going too loud. I probably don't go below -18 or -17 to much. I may play a little music today and see what I find is a good solid level to me. For music, I rarely look to see where I am at. I just say, "yea, that sounds awesome I will leave it there." When Craig was over, we may have been really loud for me. Some where in the low teens if not louder. Maybe even single digits. But not near reference. Again. when I play a movie or music at my levels, I can't hear any break up. Craig was not criticizing my system though. It was just an observation he had. He felt that my room still sounded really good.
Here are some of his thoughts
" I've never felt like you were lacking in output with your speakers in your room" Craig has said Plenty of great things about my system. The one item I was referencing, so to speak was this
"At very high levels, I hear the tweeters in your speakers start to get a little bit "brittle". This could either be your amps starting to clip, or it could be the tweeters getting close to their limits. I've only heard it on rare occasions, and I don't think it's problematic, so it's not something I would concern myself with if I were you."
Let me add just one more thing. Above Craig said that it could be either amps starting to clip or the tweeters getting close to their limit. I don't think the amp was clipping because my amp can put put 300 watts into 8ohms. Now I know my amps are pretty good but I know that many people feel they are clinical and harsh. It's possible that we hit that threshold when Craig was over that one day. I know my amps are not the smoothest grove in town. I also don't want to take up Brolic's thread with more of my stuff. I am sure that he gets the Legacy stuff it will be an awesome system.

So I am not concerning myself with that since I can't even hear it smile.gif. That's all I meant. It was not a negative thing and I did not take it that way at all. There is no way I can play at reference on a consistent basis.

Your system is amazing Mike , I was just curious find out about the Tweeters, hopefully nothing was wrong with your speakers.
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Now Craig's room is 3X the size of mine and we listened to -3db all day and it sounded fantastic. I heard no problems and I had no fatigue or ear pain at the end of the day.

I cannot comment on Craig's room but I know for sure his room rocks. He's very good when it comes to the technical stuff which I'm not.

Before my room ever got professionally treated I was at -15db to -20db now I'm at -4db ( that's when the offset is at +4db ) or 0db ( no offset ).
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1/15/13 at 4:58am
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Your system is amazing Mike , I was just curious find out about the Tweeters, hopefully nothing was wrong with your speakers.
I cannot comment on Craig's room but I know for sure his room rocks. He's very good when it comes to the technical stuff which I'm not.

Before my room ever got professionally treated I was at -15db to -20db now I'm at -4db ( that's when the offset is at +4db ) or 0db ( no offset ).
Thanks Frank. No, there is nothing wrong with my speakers. I heard what a blown tweeter sounds like and I know I don't have that. Craig also described that going to about -13 or -12 in my room is almost like going to -4 in his room, relatively speaking that is. As I noted, it's not an issue that is serious. I don't want to take up Matt's thread with my stuff but I will just say that for the levels I listen to, they sound fantastic.
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1/15/13 at 5:47am
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I have a 92" motorized Elite Cinetension 2 drop-down screen that I haven't used since July. If anyone in the DC area needs a screen, let me know. I'd sell for a few hundred bucks.
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1/15/13 at 6:15am
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I have a 92" motorized Elite Cinetension 2 drop-down screen that I haven't used since July. If anyone in the DC area needs a screen, let me know. I'd sell for a few hundred bucks.

Didn't know you had a drop down screen.
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1/15/13 at 6:25am
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Didn't know you had a drop down screen.

Yup—before I upgraded to the Stewart Studiotek 130 G3, I was using an tab-tensioned Elite Screens Cinetension 2 motorized drop-down screen from 2009 to around July 2012. It served me very well; however, it’s been sitting along the wall in my kitchen since July, and I’d like to give someone else a shot at putting together a projection system if they don’t have one already—I think a motorized screen is a good place to start for those with living room setups (as mine was, and still technically is). The gain is, I believe, 1.1—very close to unity gain, and I must say, the screen deals with ”noisy” films better than the Stewart.
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1/15/13 at 6:29am
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Yup—before I upgraded to the Stewart Studiotek 130 G3, I was using an tab-tensioned Elite Screens Cinetension 2 motorized drop-down screen from 2009 to around July 2012. It served me very well; however, it’s been sitting along the wall in my kitchen since July, and I’d like to give someone else a shot at putting together a projection system if they don’t have one already—I think a motorized screen is a good place to start for those with living room setups (as mine was, and still technically is). The gain is, I believe, 1.1—very close to unity gain, and I must say, the screen deals with ”noisy” films better than the Stewart.

The Stewart tends to bring out the detail a bit more. Regarding the noise thats not your Darbee Darblet ? I remeber mine tend to bring out alot of noise.
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1/15/13 at 6:34am
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The Stewart tends to bring out the detail a bit more. Regarding the noise thats not your Darbee Darblet ? I remeber mine tend to bring out alot of noise.
Too bad you're an ocean away!! frown.gif
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