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A friend of mine got married over the weekend, and at the reception, I made sure my companion and I sat at table closest to the "sweet spot", dead center to the two primary Professional speakers across the floor. Maybe that was taking my love of audio a bit too far. lol.
lol I like that. Dont worry you know you have gone too far if you rip out a measuring tape and move the tables and chair to get it exact centre.
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lol I like that. Dont worry you know you have gone too far if you rip out a measuring tape and move the tables and chair to get it exact centre.
hahahahah thou are quite correct sir!!! lolol
post #153 of 3166
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Ahhh, thankfully the room I'm considering is rectangular in shape, with one minor angular protrusion toward the rear of the room. I think I will need to look at speakers that are not placement sensitive, as the room is small and there are not many options in terms of placement. Ahh, now a new can of worms has been opened. Any idea what determines whether a speaker is placement sensitive or not?
Brolic, I could be wrong but I don't think there is one particular criterion that can be used to answer that question. Different speakers behave different ways due to cabinet construction, drivers, crossovers and the best thing to do is to actually try them in your room. I know, it's not easy to get speakers in for audition, but you'll have a huge smile on your face once you hit that sweet spot (kinda like the dac experience).

Have you tried you Klipsch in that room?
post #154 of 3166
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I also got caller ID only 3 years ago, and a cellular phone only last summer (and I average a robust 8 minutes a month usage).
I've said it before, I envy you for that!!
post #155 of 3166
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.... you know you have gone too far if you rip out a measuring tape and move the tables and chair to get it exact centre.
Dam' it Frank, have you been spying on me???
post #156 of 3166
You could also approach this as getting speakers to suit the room, or setting up the room to suit the speakers. As I say, bipolar speakers are more room independent than conventional ones, so I have latitude (unfortunately, the room and setup don't let me use it). Perhaps a quick assessment of the various speaker technologies and their principles would be in order.

Depending upon whether the speakers will fire across a long wall or a short wall can matter too. Some speakers need more room to operate than others. Check out reviews of speakers that are like the ones you're considering. If yours have to sit along a long wall and fire across the short dimension (I have that situation), take that into account.

Or, just get what you like best and deal with it. I did that essentially with my Mirage M-3si speakers. And while I think perhaps I'm losing some front-to-back depth because of my setup, the sound is nevertheless very good and I see no need to make a change.
post #157 of 3166
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Brolic, I could be wrong but I don't think there is one particular criterion that can be used to answer that question. Different speakers behave different ways due to cabinet construction, drivers, crossovers and the best thing to do is to actually try them in your room. I know, it's not easy to get speakers in for audition, but you'll have a huge smile on your face once you hit that sweet spot (kinda like the dac experience).

Have you tried you Klipsch in that room?

Ah, I will need to narrow it down to two or three speakers, and get them in here for a listen. I LOVE moments like the DAC experience Alternately, I'm also considering turning the guest bedroom into a dedicated theater, and using the living room as an audiophile-grade listening space. Any thought on this?
post #158 of 3166
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You could also approach this as getting speakers to suit the room, or setting up the room to suit the speakers. As I say, bipolar speakers are more room independent than conventional ones, so I have latitude (unfortunately, the room and setup don't let me use it). Perhaps a quick assessment of the various speaker technologies and their principles would be in order.

Depending upon whether the speakers will fire across a long wall or a short wall can matter too. Some speakers need more room to operate than others. Check out reviews of speakers that are like the ones you're considering. If yours have to sit along a long wall and fire across the short dimension (I have that situation), take that into account.

Or, just get what you like best and deal with it. I did that essentially with my Mirage M-3si speakers. And while I think perhaps I'm losing some front-to-back depth because of my setup, the sound is nevertheless very good and I see no need to make a change.

You know, I'm thinking if going the way of Magnepan. From past research and recent research, Two maggies with good subwoofer(s) can produce a sublime audio experience. Now it's just to find a dealer who actually has them in the showroom.....

I totally understand you on the not minding losing a bit of depth. For me, the experience is about pressing play, closing my eyes, and smiling as the music begins. Once I'm smiling and am lost in the music, i'm not concerned with the little things. No system can be perfect, unless someone builds an anechoic chamber in their basement. Now, there's an idea.......
post #159 of 3166
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You know, I'm thinking if going the way of Magnepan. From past research and recent research, Two maggies with good subwoofer(s) can produce a sublime audio experience. Now it's just to find a dealer who actually has them in the showroom.....

I totally understand you on the not minding losing a bit of depth. For me, the experience is about pressing play, closing my eyes, and smiling as the music begins. Once I'm smiling and am lost in the music, i'm not concerned with the little things. No system can be perfect, unless someone builds an anechoic chamber in their basement. Now, there's an idea.......

Then I'd gain 6Hz of usable bass response, down to 24Hz at -10dB. Of course, I have no basement. But what I get is powerful enough.

Auditioning can be tricky in-store, as the associated components may not be those you have at home, plus it's a different room. I agree, if you can get an in-home audition that's ideal. But I think the room would need to be in its final or near-final configuration as far as furniture and components for it to be as telling as possible. Then, just get the speakers in there and adjust treatments as needed.

Which Maggies, by the way?
post #160 of 3166
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Then I'd gain 6Hz of usable bass response, down to 24Hz at -10dB. Of course, I have no basement. But what I get is powerful enough.

Auditioning can be tricky in-store, as the associated components may not be those you have at home, plus it's a different room. I agree, if you can get an in-home audition that's ideal. But I think the room would need to be in its final or near-final configuration as far as furniture and components for it to be as telling as possible. Then, just get the speakers in there and adjust treatments as needed.

Which Maggies, by the way?

I was considering getting the Magnepan 3.7's--I've been reading a lot about them over the years, and I always told myself, if I ever went the way of the "listening room," I'd get a pair. of course, there are many to consider in that price class--particularly, the PSB Synchrony One's, which I auditioned at a local Gramophone last month and LOVED!!! Ah, finding the right speaker is half the fun!!
post #161 of 3166
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I was considering getting the Magnepan 3.7's--I've been reading a lot about them over the years, and I always told myself, if I ever went the way of the "listening room," I'd get a pair. of course, there are many to consider in that price class--particularly, the PSB Synchrony One's, which I auditioned at a local Gramophone last month and LOVED!!! Ah, finding the right speaker is half the fun!!

And, arguably, easier to do than with other components.
post #162 of 3166
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I was considering getting the Magnepan 3.7's--I've been reading a lot about them over the years, and I always told myself, if I ever went the way of the "listening room," I'd get a pair. of course, there are many to consider in that price class--particularly, the PSB Synchrony One's, which I auditioned at a local Gramophone last month and LOVED!!! Ah, finding the right speaker is half the fun!!

The gramophone in Columbia? I work 3 minutes from there. Love that place.
post #163 of 3166
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The gramophone in Columbia? I work 3 minutes from there. Love that place.

I live just down from the road from the Columbia store too. They definately have a bunch of cool studd there, but nothing in my price range...
post #164 of 3166
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And, arguably, easier to do than with other components.
With that, I certainly do concur. Other components require so much analysis--speakers, the only analytical tools one need use are the ears.
post #165 of 3166
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The gramophone in Columbia? I work 3 minutes from there. Love that place.
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I live just down from the road from the Columbia store too. They definately have a bunch of cool studd there, but nothing in my price range...
Gentlemen!!! This world is indeed small. I live ten minutes from the Columbia Gramophone, and I work even closer. I got my Integra DHC-80.2 from there, and the sales guy knocked $150 off the price.

There is also a dealer called Audio Video Solutions that is about a ten minute drive from gramophone. They are very utilitarian, and besides their theater, it looks like a regular office; however, they carry two major brands that Gramophone doesn't: Anthem and Paradigm. I went to Demo a pair of Paradigm Signature S8's about a month go--and my socks were knocked off.
post #166 of 3166
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Gentlemen!!! This world is indeed small. I live ten minutes from the Columbia Gramophone, and I work even closer. I got my Integra DHC-80.2 from there, and the sales guy knocked $150 off the price.

There is also a dealer called Audio Video Solutions that is about a ten minute drive from gramophone. They are very utilitarian, and besides their theater, it looks like a regular office; however, they carry two major brands that Gramophone doesn't: Anthem and Paradigm. I went to Demo a pair of Paradigm Signature S8's about a month go--and my socks were knocked off.
Nice, small world indeed.

I've always wanted to hear the S8. Where is this? I want to go there today after the gym to hear those beast.
post #167 of 3166
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Nice, small world indeed.

I've always wanted to hear the S8. Where is this? I want to go there today after the gym to hear those beast.

Yeah, where is this place? I want to visit too.

That and I'm waiting for the day for Ghramaphone to have a gotham on hand so I can go in with some bass mekanik, WOTW, and some other choiuce bass movies to giove it a workout. See how it sounds...

I went about a year ago with some demo blu rays and checked our their flagship b&w, JL, classe demo theatre and was not that impressed. They have their subs level set super low
post #168 of 3166
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Nice, small world indeed.

I've always wanted to hear the S8. Where is this? I want to go there today after the gym to hear those beast.

Sure, the address to A/V solutions is:

10840 GUILFORD RD. Suite 402, Annapolis Junction, MD

Be warned. They are nowhere nearly as flashy as Gramophone, but they are functional. The S8's may be set up in the theater room, in which case, they will move them to the listening room for you to listen. They do have a demo CD, which worked out, since i forgot my own demo CD when i went there.
post #169 of 3166
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Sure, the address to A/V solutions is:

10840 GUILFORD RD. Suite 402, Annapolis Junction, MD

Be warned. They are nowhere nearly as flashy as Gramophone, but they are functional. The S8's may be set up in the theater room, in which case, they will move them to the listening room for you to listen. They do have a demo CD, which worked out, since i forgot my own demo CD when i went there.

Thanks man. And I don't think it's a bad thing that they are less flashy than Gramophone. Hopefuly I can check out those s8's, they are a formidable speaker...soo many drivers
post #170 of 3166
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Thanks man. And I don't think it's a bad thing that they are less flashy than Gramophone. Hopefuly I can check out those s8's, they are a formidable speaker...soo many drivers

Yeah, it's not a bad thing at all. The good thing about dealers is that, because they aren't retailers, random folks aren't in there vying for the time of the sales folks. At A.V. Solutions, the guy who set up the S8's for me was smart enough to leave the room when the music began, but stood right outside in case I had any questions, which I did.
post #171 of 3166
Nice set up Brolic. I too live in the Metro area and if you guys are familiar with the Tysons Corner area, there's a awesome store there. Gramophone is really cool but trust when I say these guys have got it right. It's Evolution AV. And the guys are real cool. Be warned, the traffic and construction around Tysons blows, but believe me it will be worth the drive.
post #172 of 3166
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With that, I certainly do concur. Other components require so much analysis--speakers, the only analytical tools one need use are the ears.
It may still pay to take note of the associated electronics/cables if auditioning them with components you don't own. Knowing those and their sonic characteristics could be helpful in evaluations. I thought it helped when auditioning the (in)famous Mac 501s the first time, as the same CD player and speaker cable I have were used as well as having an idea of what the speakers' (B&Ws) essential characteristics were.
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So i wrestled my old Speaker system out of the guest-room closet. The Infinity Systems Primus 360BK. I haven't even looked at these in years. I recently rearranged the guestroom, and couldn't leave these in the closet. Now, the questions is--what on earth am i supposed to do with these? Theater # 2? I dunno.....









Here's the Denon AVR4310CI that the Integra DHC-80.2 replaced.

post #174 of 3166
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Nice set up Brolic. I too live in the Metro area and if you guys are familiar with the Tysons Corner area, there's a awesome store there. Gramophone is really cool but trust when I say these guys have got it right. It's Evolution AV. And the guys are real cool. Be warned, the traffic and construction around Tysons blows, but believe me it will be worth the drive.

You know, I came across Evolution AV about a month ago searching for a plasma mount hidden by a picture, but I saw Tyson's Corner, and immediately kept looking. The traffic there is ridiculous! Maybe one night I'll go there at midnight to avoid traffic and pitch a tent by the door so I'm the first one in!! :-) lol. Seriously though, it's a great place? I may seriously visit there one of these weekend.

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It may still pay to take note of the associated electronics/cables if auditioning them with components you don't own. Knowing those and their sonic characteristics could be helpful in evaluations. I thought it helped when auditioning the (in)famous Mac 501s the first time, as the same CD player and speaker cable I have were used as well as having an idea of what the speakers' (B&Ws) essential characteristics were.

Ah yes, I'm thinking about building my own serious cables, but I don't know if i have the patience to do it I really don't think I do. lol, but I know for a dedicated listening room environment, I would definitely go with some serious cabling that I would bring with me when i go to audition speakers.
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Nice, small world indeed.

I've always wanted to hear the S8. Where is this? I want to go there today after the gym to hear those beast.

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Yeah, where is this place? I want to visit too.

That and I'm waiting for the day for Ghramaphone to have a gotham on hand so I can go in with some bass mekanik, WOTW, and some other choiuce bass movies to giove it a workout. See how it sounds...

I went about a year ago with some demo blu rays and checked our their flagship b&w, JL, classe demo theatre and was not that impressed. They have their subs level set super low

Have you guys had a chance to check out the S8's at AV Solutions yet? They are a sight to behold! @Genilas, the first company around here to carry a Gotham will see me flooding their demo room with my best Blu-Ray bass demos!! They better be prepared for a/b comparisons between the Fathom and Gothams!!!
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Me want!!!
post #178 of 3166
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Ah yes, I'm thinking about building my own serious cables, but I don't know if i have the patience to do it I really don't think I do. lol, but I know for a dedicated listening room environment, I would definitely go with some serious cabling that I would bring with me when i go to audition speakers.

It would be cheaper, of course, to build your own, but it you don't go there and decide to buy I will recommend Kimber 8TC. It's served me well, isn't too expensive, universally praised, and is quite neutral with nice detail.
post #179 of 3166
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Have you guys had a chance to check out the S8's at AV Solutions yet? They are a sight to behold! @Genilas, the first company around here to carry a Gotham will see me flooding their demo room with my best Blu-Ray bass demos!! They better be prepared for a/b comparisons between the Fathom and Gothams!!!

I haven't had a chance. But i'll be going today definitely.

Have you seen or heard the palladiums yet? Would love to hear them.
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Happy Easter Brolic!!
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