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post #1591 of 1871
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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

Sergeant,
If I am correct, a lot of cars that win car audio sound shows have Focal speakers in them. I am sure they kick butt. I had a decent audio setup in my old Pontiac Grand Am. But when I get my new car I don't know if I will just keep the stock version or upgrade. Now I have a JBL system in my car.

Mike,

While I didn't know Focal was so prominent in the car audio shows, from my research and talks with car audiophiles, they would be the only choice worthy of upgrading to. I have to admit they sounded very impressive when I demo'd them. Since I was given a brand new set of Bostons, I had no intention of buying anything from Focal at the time.

In terms of upgrade advice, I guess it really depends how much you drive. Me personally, I drive purely for leisure, so a fancy audio system would not typically be a need. However, given that I am an audiophile outside of my car, I opted to put first class components throughout and be done with it.

I will say that the longer you hold out, the more upgraditis builds up with the little doubts you ask yourself about performance over cheaping out. With that said, I noticed a drastic improvement in sound quality over a typical stock system. The most noticeable difference was the improvement in clarity and almost no distortion to be found with playback.

Interesting FYI - CD players are already starting to be phased out. Given that there are no car stereos that play FLAC or any other lossless format natively, I opted to have a CD player in my stereo.
post #1592 of 1871
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

We tried Total Recall again. On bitstream, we got the audio dropouts. We measured the SPL with a RS SPL meter and we were averaging peaks of about 102 dB. We then switched to LPCM and the dropouts disappeared. The levels did indeed drop by about 4 dB. Turning up the MVC by 4 dB restored the dynamics and SQ to the same levels as the bitstream. So, this was not a SQ difference, just a level difference.

Craig

Thanks for taking the time to test this out Craig. I'm now scratching my head, wondering if different players affect the LPCM levels differently. I guess it is possible, just not something I've ever heard of until now.
post #1593 of 1871
The Be series car speakers are just crazy expensive. But the K2 and Perfomance line are much more afordable. I would need to see what stock sounds like and see what upgraded system they would offer. But let's get back to Matt's fantastic room.
post #1594 of 1871
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

It great meeting you yesterday. I had a lot of fun at the G2G and look forward to many more. I forgot to ask you before the day ended—did sitting in the sweet-spot augment your impressions of native v.s. DSX widths at all? I know you’re a 2-channel guy, so I wanted to get your impressions after an evening with DSX on. Yes sir, I’m shooting for the Legacy Focus SE and Marquis HD front soundstage, with Phantom surrounds! I can’t wait to get them inserted into the system (shooting for late March or Early April). Oh you should indeed love your Focals—Beryllium is not a common element and I’m sure that lends those Focals their unique sound, which has been lauded across the board both professionally and by users.
Yes indeed! 4dB difference, but one that was compensated for, it was smooth sailing. Craig—I’m still humming Morph the Cat, and yesterday was my first time ever hearing that song. Pure excellence. Who performs that song? I’d love to hear more from whichever artist that was.

Sounds like you guys had a great time and that is what its all about fun and being around others who enjoy this hobby so much.biggrin.gif

The legacy train will pulling into the station it sounds real soon lol!!!
post #1595 of 1871
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Originally Posted by wkingincharge View Post

Sounds like you guys had a great time and that is what its all about fun and being around others who enjoy this hobby so much.biggrin.gif

The legacy train will pulling into the station it sounds real soon lol!!!

Oh yes, ‘twas buckets of fun in both the social and HT senses. Yeah man—the Legacy Train shall indeed be pulling into the station soon indeed!! The train has definitely left the station and is almost as its destination biggrin.gif
post #1596 of 1871
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I am proud to say that I have completed all importing operations, and my Jriver library is complete. What a relief—now I can just enjoy the experience, which is exactly what I spent much of yesterday evening doing …that is, until Life of Pi, Zero Dark Thirty, Wreck it Ralph, and a number of upcoming amazing movies are released on Blu Ray—then, it’s back to the disc drives I go!
post #1597 of 1871
Life of Pi might actually be worth purchasing in 3D. I am looking forward to the reviews on that disc.
post #1598 of 1871
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

I am proud to say that I have completed all importing operations, and my Jriver library is complete. What a relief—now I can just enjoy the experience, which is exactly what I spent much of yesterday evening doing …that is, until Life of Pi, Zero Dark Thirty, Wreck it Ralph, and a number of upcoming amazing movies are released on Blu Ray—then, it’s back to the disc drives I go!

Brolic,

Will you be installing a 7.2, 9.2, or 11.2? I have speakers enough to do 9.2, but would like to see what all the fuss is about 11.2. I am really surveying my theater space, and am trying to see how to squeeze in 2 more speakers that will actually provide some sonic benefit. I am not sure at this point if I will add them or not.
post #1599 of 1871
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

I am proud to say that I have completed all importing operations, and my Jriver library is complete. What a relief—now I can just enjoy the experience, which is exactly what I spent much of yesterday evening doing …that is, until Life of Pi, Zero Dark Thirty, Wreck it Ralph, and a number of upcoming amazing movies are released on Blu Ray—then, it’s back to the disc drives I go!
Coolness. I know it will be work, but once I get everything on the server and have Jriver setup, I am sure I will very happy too. I know you can't wait for your speakers either. That will be a very nice upgrade.
post #1600 of 1871
My apology for not reading every post, but did you settle on getting new Legacy speakers? I think that is what I am reading above but not sure I got the context right. If so, I have heard nothing but good things.
post #1601 of 1871
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

My apology for not reading every post, but did you settle on getting new Legacy speakers? I think that is what I am reading above but not sure I got the context right. If so, I have heard nothing but good things.

Greetings Lord Frolich, Protector of the Natti-Cincian, Realm of (I’m in a Game of Thrones frame of mind after seeing that new trailer),

I currently have two Focus SE speakers, one Marquis HD Center channel, and two Studio HD’s (with a possible addition of another two for wide channels.) in the pipeline. 2013 is the year of the upgrade! I’ve upgraded everything multiple times, while my poor speakers have been quite lonely on the upward journey.
No longer!
Edited by BrolicBeast - 2/26/13 at 11:06am
post #1602 of 1871
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Greetings Lord Frolich, Protector of the Natti-Cincian, Realm of (I’m in a Game of Thrones frame of mind after seeing that new trailer),

I currently have two Focus SE speakers, one Marquis HD Center channel, and two Studio HD’s (with a possible addition of another two for wide channels.) in the pipeline. 2013 is the year of the upgrade! I’ve upgraded everything multiple times, while my poor speakers have been quite lonely on the upward journey.
No longer!

I see you haven't fully recovered from your Viking Ax festival in Chicago smile.gif

Sounds like a fantastic upgrade. I have never heard Legacy speakers in person but I know they have a stellar reputation and look fantastic to boot. I am sure you will be thrilled. And, I do love Game of Thrones so "House Frohlich" approves of your upgrade and thinks it will make your "manor" even more splendid than it already is biggrin.gif
post #1603 of 1871
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Greetings Lord Frolich, Protector of the Natti-Cincian, Realm of (I’m in a Game of Thrones frame of mind after seeing that new trailer),

I currently have two Focus SE speakers, one Marquis HD Center channel, and two Studio HD’s (with a possible addition of another two for wide channels.) in the pipeline. 2013 is the year of the upgrade! I’ve upgraded everything multiple times, while my poor speakers have been quite lonely on the upward journey.
No longer!

Let the grinning begin . . .
post #1604 of 1871
Brolic,

Not sure if this has been asked before, but what were your thoughts on 2-channel playback of the Oppo 105 analog vs the Integra using HDMI with Audyssey? Did you experiment with HDMI without Audyssey as well?
Edited by SergeantYnot - 2/28/13 at 1:16pm
post #1605 of 1871
I would like to add to that question.....105 vs your Cambridge dac?
post #1606 of 1871
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Gentlemen, I most certainly have done both comparisons....results are interesting...the 105v.Cambridge is the most complex though....a full write-up will follow once I leave the office.
post #1607 of 1871
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Originally Posted by SergeantYnot View Post

Brolic,

Not sure if this has been asked before, but what were your thoughts on 2-channel playback of the Oppo 105 analog vs the Integra using HDMI with Audyssey? Did you experiment with HDMI without Audyssey as well?

Hey Sarge, overall, HDMI Audyssey through the integra sounds better overall, but with some types of music (female vocals, etc.), the analog outputs raw and unprocessed sound "sweeter." If I had to pick one, I'd go with the HDMI though, as it sounds great with everything!
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Originally Posted by SeekingNirvana View Post

I would like to add to that question.....105 vs your Cambridge dac?

In terms of sound quality, the Oppo beats the Cambridge hands down for both analog and USB DAC sound quality....BUT...the Cambridge has a better clocking implementation, as it corrects an inherent delay in the integra (affects the synchronization of music distribution system), while the Oppo cannot.
post #1608 of 1871
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Hey Sarge, overall, HDMI Audyssey through the integra sounds better overall, but with some types of music (female vocals, etc.), the analog outputs raw and unprocessed sound "sweeter." If I had to pick one, I'd go with the HDMI though, as it sounds great with everything!
In terms of sound quality, the Oppo beats the Cambridge hands down for both analog and USB DAC sound quality....BUT...the Cambridge has a better clocking implementation, as it corrects an inherent delay in the integra (affects the synchronization of music distribution system), while the Oppo cannot.

Brolic,

This is very interesting, and not too surprising at the same time either. When I had the Oppo 95, I definitely preferred the bass management of my Pioneer with MCACC over the Oppo. However, there was no contest in 2 channel playback as I easily preferred the Oppo. I chalk this up to a lower quality DAC in my Pioneer. Since your Integra is one of the few processors to have a Burr Brown 32bit DAC, I'm guessing this is pretty comparable to the Sabre in your 105.

I'm getting ready to order an Oppo in the next couple weeks to go with the new Denon 4520 (one of the other few processors out there to have a 32bit BB DAC). Given that I'm probably going to use Audyssey full-time, I will most likely go for the 103.
post #1609 of 1871
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Originally Posted by SergeantYnot View Post

Brolic,

This is very interesting, and not too surprising at the same time either. When I had the Oppo 95, I definitely preferred the bass management of my Pioneer with MCACC over the Oppo. However, there was no contest in 2 channel playback as I easily preferred the Oppo. I chalk this up to a lower quality DAC in my Pioneer. Since your Integra is one of the few processors to have a Burr Brown 32bit DAC, I'm guessing this is pretty comparable to the Sabre in your 105.

I'm getting ready to order an Oppo in the next couple weeks to go with the new Denon 4520 (one of the other few processors out there to have a 32bit BB DAC). Given that I'm probably going to use Audyssey full-time, I will most likely go for the 103.

The Oppo 105's DACs are superior to the Integra's DACs. The source of my preference is in the sweet EQ that Audyssey provides. In my treated room, the difference are present primarily in the "air" of the performance (HDMI audyssey has more) but with some material, that air is not needed. If you preferred the analog output of the 95 to MACC, you may also prefer that if the 105 to Audyssey.
post #1610 of 1871
Hey Matt
Been doing a bit of research on video calibration and one company that has caught my eye is chromapure. They do auto calibration packages for the dvdo duo and the lumagen mini radiance. It's just as easy as plug and play, I saw the demo and it does it all for you. Though the lumagen is the better product due to there advance auto calibration package which offers more. While it does its thing you sit back, have a beer and enjoy. I'm getting one hopefully next month, the price is $699 for my version and it saves me paying a video calibrator $650 every time I use him.

I thought I'd share as I knew you were looking at doing your own too. Looking forward to it every 100 hours I can calibrate it to make it spot on.
post #1611 of 1871
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Hey Matt
Been doing a bit of research on video calibration and one company that has caught my eye is chromapure. They do auto calibration packages for the dvdo duo and the lumagen mini radiance. It's just as easy as plug and play, I saw the demo and it does it all for you. Though the lumagen is the better product due to there advance auto calibration package which offers more. While it does its thing you sit back, have a beer and enjoy. I'm getting one hopefully next month, the price is $699 for my version and it saves me paying a video calibrator $650 every time I use him.

I thought I'd share as I knew you were looking at doing your own too. Looking forward to it every 100 hours I can calibrate it to make it spot on.

Hey Frank! Thanks for sharing mate.....coincidentally, the creator of Chromapure (Tom Huffman) lives in the US--Washington,DC area and he's my calibrator. I've seen him use the Autocalibration on my Lumagen and it's pretty awesome! He tweaks it afterward to perfection after the Autocal is complete. I want to get that $699 bundle because, like you, I'd like to stop paying a calibrator every time there's a change to my system. I'm glad it's compatible with your Duo. It's wild how 100 hrs can make a calibration obsolete. It almost mandates some form of autocalibration for us with Projectors.
post #1612 of 1871
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Hey Frank! Thanks for sharing mate.....coincidentally, the creator of Chromapure (Tom Huffman) lives in the US--Washington,DC area and he's my calibrator. I've seen him use the Autocalibration on my Lumagen and it's pretty awesome! He tweaks it afterward to perfection after the Autocal is complete. I want to get that $699 bundle because, like you, I'd like to stop paying a calibrator every time there's a change to my system. I'm glad it's compatible with your Duo. It's wild how 100 hrs can make a calibration obsolete. It almost mandates some form of autocalibration for us with Projectors.

So it worked really well the auto calibration? The only issue im going to have is the length of USB to RS232 as my DVDO is in the next room behind me. Will a USB extension cause any problems? Need to be 100% before I buy.
post #1613 of 1871
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

So it worked really well the auto calibration? The only issue im going to have is the length of USB to RS232 as my DVDO is in the next room behind me. Will a USB extension cause any problems? Need to be 100% before I buy.

Yes indeed, it works very well! A USB extension should definitely work--but make sure you get an active extension that you can plug in. A passive extension might not work. I had to order two cables before finding one that worked properly--make sure it's a null modem cable. I'll try to find the exact cable I got from Amazon so you know for sure it'll work.
post #1614 of 1871
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Yes indeed, it works very well! A USB extension should definitely work--but make sure you get an active extension that you can plug in. A passive extension might not work. I had to order two cables before finding one that worked properly--make sure it's a null modem cable. I'll try to find the exact cable I got from Amazon so you know for sure it'll work.

Another way could be getting a RS232 extension ( null cable), but will look into an active extension USB, thanks for the tip. How long is your extended Active USB? Im hoping to get one around 10m.
post #1615 of 1871
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

I am proud to say that I have completed all importing operations, and my Jriver library is complete. What a relief—now I can just enjoy the experience, which is exactly what I spent much of yesterday evening doing …that is, until Life of Pi, Zero Dark Thirty, Wreck it Ralph, and a number of upcoming amazing movies are released on Blu Ray—then, it’s back to the disc drives I go!

Some people just like to live dangerously. biggrin.gif
post #1616 of 1871
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Another way could be getting a RS232 extension ( null cable), but will look into an active extension USB, thanks for the tip. How long is your extended Active USB? Im hoping to get one around 10m.

Actually, the RS232 extension is much better than the usb extension cable. Alternately, a sure-fire way would probably be to use an usb extension cable for the colorometer-->laptop connection, and set up everything else close to your equipment room. .
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Some people just like to live dangerously. biggrin.gif

Living on the edge, bro! cool.gif
post #1617 of 1871
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For all my gamers out there, Crysis 3 is a visual stunner! BUT......if you're using a projector, you must set the lamp to it's brightest mode in order to truly appreciate the graphics. Modes for accurate reproduction of colors in movies simply don't transfer that well to gaming in a projection-based setup.
Edited by BrolicBeast - 3/3/13 at 4:08pm
post #1618 of 1871
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Actually, the RS232 extension is much better than the usb extension cable. Alternately, a sure-fire way would probably be to use an usb extension cable for the colorometer-->laptop connection, and set up everything else close to your equipment room.

Thanks for your help.

Will have a look which will work best. smile.gif
post #1619 of 1871
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Hey Frank! Thanks for sharing mate.....coincidentally, the creator of Chromapure (Tom Huffman) lives in the US--Washington,DC area and he's my calibrator. I've seen him use the Autocalibration on my Lumagen and it's pretty awesome! He tweaks it afterward to perfection after the Autocal is complete. I want to get that $699 bundle because, like you, I'd like to stop paying a calibrator every time there's a change to my system. I'm glad it's compatible with your Duo. It's wild how 100 hrs can make a calibration obsolete. It almost mandates some form of autocalibration for us with Projectors.

I use a different auto cal program from SpectraCal and my Lumagen XD. While it does automate a lot of the work, setting brightness, contrast and sharpness is performed by the end user, with patterns provided by the SpectrCal software.

Does ChromaPure set those items totally and completely automatically??? If so, I might consider switching.!
post #1620 of 1871
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

For all my gamers out there, Crysis 3 is a visual stunner! BUT......if you're using a projector, you must set the lamp to it's brightest mode in order to truly appreciate the graphics. Modes for accurate reproduction of colors in movies simply don't transfer that well to gaming in a projection-based setup.

Brolic,

This is very much noticed on my projector as well. I have 3 global video modes that I can set. Mode 1 I have set for movies. Mode 2 has brightness boosted for 3D movies, and mode 3 is for gaming. Mode 3 is on maximum brightness, with some color tweaking since games can be unforgiving with the huge palette of colors.

On that note, I have to admit I was not that blown away with Crysis 3. Perhaps this was because it was a demo on my Xbox. Was Crysis played on your PC or console? It would be a worthwhile test to see how the console demo differs from the PC version.
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