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post #1741 of 3159
Brolic,

I received an email a couple months back that my local Magnolia had one too, but I have yet to make a trip to see it. The more I read about UHD, the more apparent it is becoming that the human eye can only perceive so much detail at a given seating distance, and screen size. I read CNET's review of that same Sony TV that when going back than 6-7 feet, the additional detail was miniscule. Did you notice a similar observation to this?

All I can say is, will I replace my 60" HDTV with one? Certainly not. But I am excited at the fact that projectors will benefit the most from native 4K/UHD technology. When they start becoming mainstream, I will certainly look to upgrade my projector to that.
post #1742 of 3159
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Prepress, I've actually been thinking about replacing my Panamax m-5300PMs with a pair of Furman power conditioners (I can't remember the model I was looking at). Did you notice a jump in performance when jumping from trip-liters to Furman?

If I remember correctly, it was the SPR-20i voltage regulator you were looking at. Overall, aside from the Furmans being quieter themselves, the only thing I'll say is that the system itself seems a bit quieter, so the noise floor is lower; now and then I've heard a bit of subtle detail I hadn't noticed before. Don't get me wrong, the Tripplite LCR 2400 was a workhorse, but both Furmans have extreme voltage shutdown (the SPR threshold is lower than the Elite's) and the Elite-15PFi offers isolation between the amps and the other gear. The SPR has separate outlets for the amps, but there's no current reserve there. On the other hand, it will handle 20A total, so no worry there. With the SPR, that stable 120V is crucial with delicate circuits or projection lamps. I don't worry about frying anything due to high voltages. i know this works, because the SPR shut the system down when a surge in the line due to my air conditioner kicked in (I never realized they were on the same line; that's another story).
Edited by prepress - 4/6/13 at 3:19am
post #1743 of 3159
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Sarge, 6-7 feet sounds about right... But I'd venture to say the benefits don't really kick in until 4-5 feet. With my current and future (expected) seating distances, Instead of 4K projection, I'd prefer a projector that can combine very high light output with void-deep blacks. Is it too much to ask for Epson light-cannon output with JVC black levels and BenQ 3D performance? One day, we shall see such joys, perhaps. One day....

Prepress, you have a great memory....I was indeed considering that SPR at one point. I just checked it out again and it's price has jumped by about $200. That gets it eliminated from the roster. Now, the Elites look really good and I've heard nothing but good things about it. I'd definitely be looking at the 20 version since ill eventually be using my now-unused dual 20 amp circuits to power my gear.
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I have a bone to pick with Professional HT Designers. Why is it that when I see one of those umpteen-thousand dollar theaters in a magazine or online, the screen is always so miniscule in relation to the size of the theater itself. I'm tired of seeing 100" 16:9 screens in 30'x45' rooms. It doesn't make sense to me.

OK--vent is complete.
post #1745 of 3159
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Sarge, 6-7 feet sounds about right... But I'd venture to say the benefits don't really kick in until 4-5 feet. With my current and future (expected) seating distances, Instead of 4K projection, I'd prefer a projector that can combine very high light output with void-deep blacks. Is it too much to ask for Epson light-cannon output with JVC black levels and BenQ 3D performance? One day, we shall see such joys, perhaps. One day....

What a great combo...sounds almost like my fantasy of a hybrid Sharp Elite (LED) and Panasonic VT50 (Plasma). In this case 3LCD, D-ILA, and DLP. Why can't these companies all unite to just make the perfect product?
post #1746 of 3159
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

I have a bone to pick with Professional HT Designers. Why is it that when I see one of those umpteen-thousand dollar theaters in a magazine or online, the screen is always so miniscule in relation to the size of the theater itself. I'm tired of seeing 100" 16:9 screens in 30'x45' rooms. It doesn't make sense to me.

OK--vent is complete.

Well, you have to make sure that the picture isn't fish-eyed. A lot will do that to fit the whole room into the shot and that affects dimensions sometimes. I agree though I've been to peoples houses where the screen is obviously too small for the room it's in. It's annoying and more often than not was recommended by some integrator or designer who has no idea what is correct for a particular room size.
post #1747 of 3159
Hey Matt
I'm looking at maybe updating to a Radiance Lumagen 2021 are they quiet easy to use?
post #1748 of 3159
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

I have a bone to pick with Professional HT Designers. Why is it that when I see one of those umpteen-thousand dollar theaters in a magazine or online, the screen is always so miniscule in relation to the size of the theater itself. I'm tired of seeing 100" 16:9 screens in 30'x45' rooms. It doesn't make sense to me.

OK--vent is complete.

I know what you mean. Some people deck out there theatre ( with no room treatment) with chandeliers, pillars in front of speaker paying exorbent amount of money in designing a room that causes more problems than what it's worth.
post #1749 of 3159
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Sarge, 6-7 feet sounds about right... But I'd venture to say the benefits don't really kick in until 4-5 feet. With my current and future (expected) seating distances, Instead of 4K projection, I'd prefer a projector that can combine very high light output with void-deep blacks. Is it too much to ask for Epson light-cannon output with JVC black levels and BenQ 3D performance? One day, we shall see such joys, perhaps. One day....

Prepress, you have a great memory....I was indeed considering that SPR at one point. I just checked it out again and it's price has jumped by about $200. That gets it eliminated from the roster. Now, the Elites look really good and I've heard nothing but good things about it. I'd definitely be looking at the 20 version since ill eventually be using my now-unused dual 20 amp circuits to power my gear.

My Furman had my 4 Fathoms and Power amp connected to it. I tried the AVP on it which was fine but I connected it back to the online UPS.
post #1750 of 3159
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Sarge, 6-7 feet sounds about right... But I'd venture to say the benefits don't really kick in until 4-5 feet. With my current and future (expected) seating distances, Instead of 4K projection, I'd prefer a projector that can combine very high light output with void-deep blacks. Is it too much to ask for Epson light-cannon output with JVC black levels and BenQ 3D performance? One day, we shall see such joys, perhaps. One day....

Prepress, you have a great memory....I was indeed considering that SPR at one point. I just checked it out again and it's price has jumped by about $200. That gets it eliminated from the roster. Now, the Elites look really good and I've heard nothing but good things about it. I'd definitely be looking at the 20 version since ill eventually be using my now-unused dual 20 amp circuits to power my gear.

I got my SPR at a discount 2 years ago through another forum. I, too, saw that the MSRP has gone up. You could keep an eye out for discounts, open box or refurbished units on the SPR if you like, but if you don't need voltage regulation, the Elites will work fine.
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My upgrade is not as impressive as the others but the most impactful purchase that I made over the past few years was the Velodyne SMS-1. I was always confused by the fact the bass in my theater did not sound right. Even when I got a second sub the bass was very boomy. Getting the SMS-1 allowed me to see the response in my room and make some adjustments. So far it is the best and most impactful upgrade I made to my theater.
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

I have a bone to pick with Professional HT Designers. Why is it that when I see one of those umpteen-thousand dollar theaters in a magazine or online, the screen is always so miniscule in relation to the size of the theater itself. I'm tired of seeing 100" 16:9 screens in 30'x45' rooms. It doesn't make sense to me.

OK--vent is complete.
I thought I was the only one that was bothered by this.....The room has two or three rows of seats, fancy treatments, a star ceiling and large heavy drapes around a 92" screen....really....really ????
post #1753 of 3159
Hey guys, not sure if you're following the Industry thread, but I posted the following about the passing of Ebert:

"I crossed paths with him back in 1997 when Alien Resurrection debuted Thanksgiving week. I remember going to a theater I normally wouldn't frequent due to Alien's limited release that week; he essentially lived 5 minutes away. As I remember it, Roger was checking out the candy selection at the concessions. I am pretty sure he went into the same theater I was in, but I remember it was pretty empty. Later on I would read his review that he didn't like Alien Resurrection at all. smile.gif

RIP"


http://www.avsforum.com/t/1466752/film-critic-roger-ebert-dies-of-cancer-age-70
post #1754 of 3159
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Hey Matt
I'm looking at maybe updating to a Radiance Lumagen 2021 are they quiet easy to use?

They are very quiet, but not too user friendly at first. That being said, it's easy to *learn* after a few hours of playing with it.
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I know what you mean. Some people deck out there theatre ( with no room treatment) with chandeliers, pillars in front of speaker paying exorbent amount of money in designing a room that causes more problems than what it's worth.

Yesss! Oh! What I could do with 70% of their budget...
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My Furman had my 4 Fathoms and Power amp connected to it. I tried the AVP on it which was fine but I connected it back to the online UPS.

Whoa--four Fathoms AND your amp? hmmm....that's pretty impressive.
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

I got my SPR at a discount 2 years ago through another forum. I, too, saw that the MSRP has gone up. You could keep an eye out for discounts, open box or refurbished units on the SPR if you like, but if you don't need voltage regulation, the Elites will work fine.

I'm definitely leaning towards the Elites if I upgrade
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Originally Posted by capricorn kid View Post

My upgrade is not as impressive as the others but the most impactful purchase that I made over the past few years was the Velodyne SMS-1. I was always confused by the fact the bass in my theater did not sound right. Even when I got a second sub the bass was very boomy. Getting the SMS-1 allowed me to see the response in my room and make some adjustments. So far it is the best and most impactful upgrade I made to my theater.

I'd say the SMS-1 is indeed a darn impressive upgrade...that and the Antimode are tweakers dreams! Patience is a virtue that I have yet to attain--thus, I haven't attempted using either yet.
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I thought I was the only one that was bothered by this.....The room has two or three rows of seats, fancy treatments, a star ceiling and large heavy drapes around a 92" screen....really....really ????

FOR REAL!!! It's like buying a Rolex that can't fit on your wrist.....sure, the Rolex is a magnificent product, but.if the wrist is too big.....
Edited by BrolicBeast - 4/8/13 at 4:14pm
post #1755 of 3159
When we redid our master bathroom, my wife found this web site with bazillions of high rez photos of everything you can imagine in a home. They had some interesting HT photos, many of which are gaudy but some are quite nice.

See http://www.houzz.com/Home-Theater
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by audioguy View Post

When we redid our master bathroom, my wife found this web site with bazillions of high rez photos of everything you can imagine in a home. They had some interesting HT photos, many of which are gaudy but some are quite nice.

See http://www.houzz.com/Home-Theater

Nice, there are certainly some very nice theaters on that site. I think I just found the source of my new htpc background pic.
post #1757 of 3159
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Nice, there are certainly some very nice theaters on that site. I think I just found the source of my new htpc background pic.

The Mrs and I have been looking at that website for awhile as well it has some nice ideas for her future kitchen and I have gotten a few ideas for the next man cave:).
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Originally Posted by audioguy View Post

When we redid our master bathroom, my wife found this web site with bazillions of high rez photos of everything you can imagine in a home. They had some interesting HT photos, many of which are gaudy but some are quite nice.

See http://www.houzz.com/Home-Theater

Yes, some of those theaters are a bit much to me. I prefer the more streamlined, simpler ones.
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Thread Starter 
Looks like the Legacy finish that I want shan't be ready until June [Rosewood cabinet with Black Pearl Baffle)--so the wait will be longer than I thought. Given the difficulty of completing the Black Pearl finish, I can completely understand the need for additional lead time in order to fuse it with the Rosewood cabinet. I still plan to do the sale this month though...
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^^ Brolic, are there any other speakers on your demo list?
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Thread Starter 
There were back when I was auditioning speakers.....I demoed Sonus Faber, Totem Wind Designs (amazing sound--but more expensive), B&W 802 and 803 models (indistinguishable to my ears), GoldenEar Tritons Two & Three, Paradigm S8s, Steinway Lygdorf (I know I misspelled that),....the list goes on. I think I heard about 30 pairs of speakers during my research period (some manufacturers thati can't even recall......but in the end, the folded diaphragm ribbon technology (also found in the GoldenEar and Steinway models, but better implemented by Legacy) made the Legacy's the most attractive option.
post #1762 of 3159
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Looks like the Legacy finish that I want shan't be ready until June [Rosewood cabinet with Black Pearl Baffle)--so the wait will be longer than I thought. Given the difficulty of completing the Black Pearl finish, I can completely understand the need for additional lead time in order to fuse it with the Rosewood cabinet. I still plan to do the sale this month though...

Not to worry mate, once the wait is over you will be pleased.
post #1763 of 3159
Matt, June is the anticipated date for Aeris cabinets done completely in Black Pearl. Legacy thinks they will have Black Pearl Aeris baffles available before that - probably in May. I hope that helps you feel a little better! :-)
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

There were back when I was auditioning speakers.....I demoed Sonus Faber, Totem Wind Designs (amazing sound--but more expensive), B&W 802 and 803 models (indistinguishable to my ears), GoldenEar Tritons Two & Three, Paradigm S8s, Steinway Lygdorf (I know I misspelled that),....the list goes on. I think I heard about 30 pairs of speakers during my research period (some manufacturers thati can't even recall......but in the end, the folded diaphragm ribbon technology (also found in the GoldenEar and Steinway models, but better implemented by Legacy) made the Legacy's the most attractive option.

Brother, have you really thought thru this speaker upgrade plan of yours thoroughly?
Now, when you get the Legacy speakers, you need to do a LOT MORE upgrading:

1: You will have to upgrade your amplifier to something "more audiophile". You're gonna power the Legacy with an Emotiva? You'll need some Pass Labs monoblocks.
2. All speaker wires and interconnects will have to be upgraded with pure silver wiring.
3: An Onkyo built receiver will not cut it. You'll need at least a Theta pre/pro
4. You'll need to buy an 'audiophile' turntable, why, I don't know but people who own speakers like Legacy always use turntables.
5. You'll need to buy a smoking jacket and a pipe. You've got to go with that Hugh Hefner look to match the Legacy.
6. Lastly. You and your woman will have to start speaking like Mr and Mrs.Thurston Howell, III (Giligan)

See bro. upgrading from Klipsch to Audiophile grade speakers is gonna cost you more than you've anticipated.
post #1765 of 3159
Thread Starter 
Ha! this was funny!! Upgrades are winding down though...check my responses below.



1: You will have to upgrade your amplifier to something "more audiophile". You're gonna power the Legacy with an Emotiva? You'll need some Pass Labs monoblocks.

--I'll be using the Emotiva for years to come--unless I stumble onto a killer deal on something like a Parasound Halo Amp. My ears, and the ears of others, have been quite impressed with Emotiva's XPA offerings.

2. All speaker wires and interconnects will have to be upgraded with pure silver wiring.

--LOL--perhaps I should upgrade to speaker wire made from Silk, gathered from three hundred exotic silk worms, dipped in liquid gold to solidify in a cast after the final speaker position is selected. lolol....folks who believe in paying the cash for precious-metal wiring are welcome to send me a few pairs. I'll be using my monoprice cables for decades. Then again, I may eventually splurge on some WireWorld speaker cables purely for their aesthetic flair (I love my HDMI Cables from WireWorld)

3: An Onkyo built receiver will not cut it. You'll need at least a Theta pre/pro

My Integra pleases my ears daily, all while enjoying a Class A Stereophile rating. 'Tis good enough for me.

4. You'll need to buy an 'audiophile' turntable, why, I don't know but people who own speakers like Legacy always use turntables.

--LOL--I'm not (and probably never will be) a turntable guy. At AXPONA this year, I attended a superb seminar on digitizing LPs in high-resolution format (192/24 and above) so even if I got bitten by the bug to collect records, I'd just digitize......but that defeats the purpose of records.....hmmm, I seem to have solved my circular logic with the conclusion that I will neverrr be a turntable guy!! lol.

5. You'll need to buy a smoking jacket and a pipe. You've got to go with that Hugh Hefner look to match the Legacy.

--Ha! I'll take the jacket and toss the pipe...Tobacco kills. I may get a red silk robe Hephner-style and take a picture right next to one of the speakers though. Convincing the Ms. to wear a bunny outfit, however, would prove less successful.

6. Lastly. You and your woman will have to start speaking like Mr and Mrs.Thurston Howell, III (Giligan)

--Strangely, I've never seen Gilligan's Island, but I do wish I paid more attention to the reruns as a child. I am always the *lost* one when references are made.

See bro. upgrading from Klipsch to Audiophile grade speakers is gonna cost you more than you've anticipated.[/quote]

--Minimally so!!
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Thread Starter 
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Not to worry mate, once the wait is over you will be pleased.

True indeed! How's that freshly calibrated picture? Any new reference discs since gaining the ability to fine-tune? Have you pulled the trigger on a Lumagen yet??
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Matt, June is the anticipated date for Aeris cabinets done completely in Black Pearl. Legacy thinks they will have Black Pearl Aeris baffles available before that - probably in May. I hope that helps you feel a little better! :-)

Thanks for the clarification earlier Dennis. Right now, I'm leaning toward the Focus since selling my old theater gear seems fairly unlikely. Those Aeris are quite sexy though. Is it me, or does anyone else thing the plural form of Aeris should be....Aeres??
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Ha! this was funny!! Upgrades are winding down though...check my responses below.



1: You will have to upgrade your amplifier to something "more audiophile". You're gonna power the Legacy with an Emotiva? You'll need some Pass Labs monoblocks.

--I'll be using the Emotiva for years to come--unless I stumble onto a killer deal on something like a Parasound Halo Amp. My ears, and the ears of others, have been quite impressed with Emotiva's XPA offerings.

2. All speaker wires and interconnects will have to be upgraded with pure silver wiring.

--LOL--perhaps I should upgrade to speaker wire made from Silk, gathered from three hundred exotic silk worms, dipped in liquid gold to solidify in a cast after the final speaker position is selected. lolol....folks who believe in paying the cash for precious-metal wiring are welcome to send me a few pairs. I'll be using my monoprice cables for decades. Then again, I may eventually splurge on some WireWorld speaker cables purely for their aesthetic flair (I love my HDMI Cables from WireWorld)

3: An Onkyo built receiver will not cut it. You'll need at least a Theta pre/pro

My Integra pleases my ears daily, all while enjoying a Class A Stereophile rating. 'Tis good enough for me.

4. You'll need to buy an 'audiophile' turntable, why, I don't know but people who own speakers like Legacy always use turntables.

--LOL--I'm not (and probably never will be) a turntable guy. At AXPONA this year, I attended a superb seminar on digitizing LPs in high-resolution format (192/24 and above) so even if I got bitten by the bug to collect records, I'd just digitize......but that defeats the purpose of records.....hmmm, I seem to have solved my circular logic with the conclusion that I will neverrr be a turntable guy!! lol.

5. You'll need to buy a smoking jacket and a pipe. You've got to go with that Hugh Hefner look to match the Legacy.

--Ha! I'll take the jacket and toss the pipe...Tobacco kills. I may get a red silk robe Hephner-style and take a picture right next to one of the speakers though. Convincing the Ms. to wear a bunny outfit, however, would prove less successful.

6. Lastly. You and your woman will have to start speaking like Mr and Mrs.Thurston Howell, III (Giligan)

--Strangely, I've never seen Gilligan's Island, but I do wish I paid more attention to the reruns as a child. I am always the *lost* one when references are made.

See bro. upgrading from Klipsch to Audiophile grade speakers is gonna cost you more than you've anticipated.

--Minimally so!![/quote]

Great responses. You rule dude!! I agree whole heartedly with your assessment above. Great stuff.
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

--LOL--perhaps I should upgrade to speaker wire made from Silk, gathered from three hundred exotic silk worms, dipped in liquid gold to solidify in a cast after the final speaker position is selected. lolol....folks who believe in paying the cash for precious-metal wiring are welcome to send me a few pairs.

Ill save you the time get the mushrooms cables. They are the best. tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

True indeed! How's that freshly calibrated picture? Any new reference discs since gaining the ability to fine-tune? Have you pulled the trigger on a Lumagen yet??

Very happy mate, looking at upgrading the spectrometer to the C6 from Calman and going again. Regarding Lumagen Im going to wait Ive got a feelin that DVDO and Lumagen are bothe coming out with 4K processors soon. Best to wait for them at least future proof the processor. Im getting an adapter for my boom mic stand (which I have the best man on the job to help me with that ) smile.gif
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Ha! this was funny!! Upgrades are winding down though...check my responses below.



1: You will have to upgrade your amplifier to something "more audiophile". You're gonna power the Legacy with an Emotiva? You'll need some Pass Labs monoblocks.

--I'll be using the Emotiva for years to come--unless I stumble onto a killer deal on something like a Parasound Halo Amp. My ears, and the ears of others, have been quite impressed with Emotiva's XPA offerings.

+1 on the Emotiva. I am starting my 5th year of ownership for my Emo amps, and quite frankly would replace them without hesitation with another amp from Emotiva. With the exception of buying something coveted like a McIntosh, I can't see any real competition to what Emotiva brings to the table. They really have revolutionized the amp world.
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