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Yes. It is very satisfying when your loved one(s) take an interest in this hobby. I took my wife to Axpona 2 years ago when it came to New York. She actually enjoyed it. Her favorite suite was D-Box. Now she keeps reminding me how less of a man I am because I can't afford a D-BOX system.

"Honey, it's 2013 and my chair still does not move with the movie"..... "I know I should have listened to my mother and marry my old boyfriend. He's an electrical engineer. He could have made a D-BOX system from scratch"... So you see Brolic, I'm a very happy guy frown.gif

lol, man...what you could do is state that a percent of your income over the next few months will be dedicated to saving for a Dbox system. I can almost guarantee you she will be AGAINST it, and she will become the limiting factor in that purchase! Personally, Dbox is way too *much* for most movies. It's fine for movies with numerous air plane/battleship scenes, but I don't want my seats tipping to the right side anytime the camera pans (purposeful exaggeration biggrin.gif)
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lol, man...what you could do is state that a percent of your income over the next few months will be dedicated to saving for a Dbox system. I can almost guarantee you she will be AGAINST it, and she will become the limiting factor in that purchase! Personally, Dbox is way too *much* for most movies. It's fine for movies with numerous air plane/battleship scenes, but I don't want my seats tipping to the right side anytime the camera pans (purposeful exaggeration biggrin.gif)

I don't need no stinking D box system. I am perfectly happy with liquor. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by kevon27 View Post

Yes. It is very satisfying when your loved one(s) take an interest in this hobby. I took my wife to Axpona 2 years ago when it came to New York. She actually enjoyed it. Her favorite suite was D-Box. Now she keeps reminding me how less of a man I am because I can't afford a D-BOX system.

"Honey, it's 2013 and my chair still does not move with the movie"..... "I know I should have listened to my mother and marry my old boyfriend. He's an electrical engineer. He could have made a D-BOX system from scratch"... So you see Brolic, I'm a very happy guy frown.gif
Get her a Crowson Tactile Actuator. Tell her it's a better vibrator than her other one. biggrin.gif

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lol, man...what you could do is state that a percent of your income over the next few months will be dedicated to saving for a Dbox system. I can almost guarantee you she will be AGAINST it, and she will become the limiting factor in that purchase! Personally, Dbox is way too *much* for most movies. It's fine for movies with numerous air plane/battleship scenes, but I don't want my seats tipping to the right side anytime the camera pans (purposeful exaggeration biggrin.gif)
Agreed. I like tactile shaking, but D-Box makes me nauseous.

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I don't need no stinking D box system. I am perfectly happy with liquor. biggrin.gif
THIS ^^^ is the line of the week on AVS!!! smile.gif

Craig
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I don't need no stinking D box system. I am perfectly happy with liquor. biggrin.gif

lololol.....same effect, for tens of thousands of dollars cheaper (cost to liver notwithstanding)
post #1865 of 3167
Seems to me as if D box would be a distraction.

If your system itself isn't enough to shake things up, I would think alcohol isn't going to do it either. OR a D box. I would just suspend disbelief and go with that. Or watch only string quartets.
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Seems to me as if D box would be a distraction.

If your system itself isn't enough to shake things up, I would think alcohol isn't going to do it either. OR a D box. I would just suspend disbelief and go with that. Or watch only string quartets.
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I've had multiple experiences with D-Box and each time it was a MAJOR distraction to the movie. I have not experienced anything like Craig's Crowson system.

Watching string quartets ? biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
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I have heard of D-Box system and they sound a bit extreme for my taste at home . A day trip to an amusement park can give me that same sensation with more fun lol!!!! Crowson's are much more suitable for my taste just adding that last little bit of feel without the gimmicky feel.
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Star Trek: Into Darkness is an absolutely superb film. These days, it takes a lot to impress me in a movie theater; however, yesterday--I was truly impressed. We saw it at the IMAX theater in Silver Spring, MD in 3D and this film has everything any of us could want. Picture quality? YES! Audio? HECK YES!!! Story? YOU BETCHA!!! We may go see it again. Benedict Cumberbatch plays what may quite possibly be the best villain of the last decade and that includes Ledger's Joker. Anyone who appreciates audio, video, and story done right simultaneously should go see Star Trek: Into Darkness.
Edited by BrolicBeast - 5/19/13 at 5:44pm
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I concur with you Dr. HT.... LOL

We loved it as well. I agree with you about he villain. Most likely I will go see it again too.

Looking forward to hearing it in my home theater....especially with the upcoming addition of three Noesis 212 speakers and three DIY DO 18" subs. :-D
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Star Trek: Into Darkness is an absolutely superb film. These days, it takes a lot to impress me in a movie theater; however, yesterday--I was truly impressed. We saw it at the IMAX theater in Silver Spring, MD in 3D and this film has everything any of us could want. Picture quality? YES! Audio? HECK YES!!! Story? YOU BETCHA!!! We may go see it again. Benedict Cumberbatch plays what may quite possibly be the best villain of the last decade and that includes Ledger's Joker. Anyone who appreciates audio, video, and story done right simultaneously should go see Star Trek: Into Darkness.

I'm hoping to watch this on Saturday
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I concur with you Dr. HT.... LOL

We loved it as well. I agree with you about he villain. Most likely I will go see it again too.

Looking forward to hearing it in my home theater....especially with the upcoming addition of three Noesis 212 speakers and three DIY DO 18" subs. :-D

Excellent additions! I'll be extra interested in your comparison between the horn-loaded Noesis and the horn-loaded RF-7's. How are your subs coming along?
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I'm hoping to watch this on Saturday

Frank, make sure you bring your entire family--they will all love it! And you must-must-must see it in IMAX 3D! Your wife and kids will be clamoring to hear it in your theater when it comes out on Blu Ray tomorrow in AU. lol....just kidding, but you guys do get things EXTRA early!
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I have heard of D-Box system and they sound a bit extreme for my taste at home . A day trip to an amusement park can give me that same sensation with more fun lol!!!! Crowson's are much more suitable for my taste just adding that last little bit of feel without the gimmicky feel.

Yeah man--the Crowsons are undoubtedly perfect for the non-gimmicky feel. Although I have a confession: I now route my Xbox 360 through the front HDMI port of my Oppo BDP-105 so I can take advantage of the crowsons, and when I'm going into a gaming session, I turn the amp up by two notches on my Behringer iNuke amp, which results in a significant increase in actuation that would be unnatural for movies but is absolutely PERFECT for gaming. If there are any gamers here, the experience of gaming with Crowsons is, alone, worth the price of admission in my book.

Of course, I turn it back to normal levels after the gaming session is over, so I don't get launched out of my seat by footfalls in a movie. biggrin.gif

I"m itching to test out the Pulse movie with the Crowsons. I have the Pulse server-room scene on Jindrak's awesome Ultimate Bass Demo Disc, but haven't tried it yet.
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That moment when you realize the need to purchase an Xbox One, regardless of what Microsoft decides to charge for it: cool.gif The console wars have returned.
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I concur with you Dr. HT.... LOL

We loved it as well. I agree with you about he villain. Most likely I will go see it again too.

Looking forward to hearing it in my home theater....especially with the upcoming addition of three Noesis 212 speakers and three DIY DO 18" subs. :-D

Congrats on your new speakers. Gave up on the Seatons? JTRs are supposed to be excellent!
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That moment when you realize the need to purchase an Xbox One, regardless of what Microsoft decides to charge for it: cool.gif The console wars have returned.
Still need to see more tech info but really like what I've seen so far.
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That moment when you realize the need to purchase an Xbox One, regardless of what Microsoft decides to charge for it: cool.gif The console wars have returned.

I think when Halo 5 comes out, that will be a selling point indeed.
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Still need to see more tech info but really like what I've seen so far.

For console, why is the end consumer concerned about specs? Unless you're a game developer, the specs these companies put out is just a bunch of numbers to get people talking and rather useless. I would like to see a system come out with very little specs (no cpu, gpu, memory info). Only include the usable stuff like how many controllers, hard drive size, inputs and outputs.

This is how I would present a system. No long boring shows like what Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo do. I would say: The system is the BOX-4-U. It's powerful and here are the feature and games. And all of this would be done on a youtube video.
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Originally Posted by kevon27 View Post

For console, why is the end consumer concerned about specs? Unless you're a game developer, the specs these companies put out is just a bunch of numbers to get people talking and rather useless. I would like to see a system come out with very little specs (no cpu, gpu, memory info). Only include the usable stuff like how many controllers, hard drive size, inputs and outputs.

This is how I would present a system. No long boring shows like what Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo do. I would say: The system is the BOX-4-U. It's powerful and here are the feature and games. And all of this would be done on a youtube video.

I think the specs are meaningless as well. We could very well go another 2-3 years before needing a hardware refresh to accommodate mainstream 4K gaming, which I'm sure is what Sony will be announcing next month. Not sure about you, but 1080p games look pretty fabulous right now.
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I think the specs are meaningless as well. We could very well go another 2-3 years before needing a hardware refresh to accommodate mainstream 4K gaming, which I'm sure is what Sony will be announcing next month. Not sure about you, but 1080p games look pretty fabulous right now.

Take away all the stuff the Xbox one is coming with, TV, apps, kinect and all you really have is better graphics. People will try to deny it but the release of a new system is for BETTER GRAPHICS. Which I don't mind. I would rather see an Xbox 360 or Ps3 supercharged. It would be like upgrading a PC. Take the CPU and GPU's in the current system and clock them faster. And add more memory. This way you'll have backward compatibility, less development cost, all games can run at full 1080p 60fps.
Back in the ole days, programmers relied on programming skill and trickery to get systems to do things they should not really be doing. Now it about lazy programming and a new system every few years.
post #1879 of 3167
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Still need to see more tech info but really like what I've seen so far.

I live what I've seen so far as well! I think it'll be ok technically speaking, but I doubt it'll be very impressive. I (and many others) have a PC that is far more advanced than anything the Xbox One COULD have in it (based on architecture selected at the time of design), so I'm less concerned about the specs of the machine, and more about the games it will have and the ability to at least bridge the gap between console and PC graphics. Halo and GoW, for example.....it's DVR is also a stable option, as the tuner function in Jriver is not very good.
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I think when Halo 5 comes out, that will be a selling point indeed.

Oh Yessss!!! I'm playing through Halo 4 on Legendary....it still has me hooked.
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I think the specs are meaningless as well. We could very well go another 2-3 years before needing a hardware refresh to accommodate mainstream 4K gaming, which I'm sure is what Sony will be announcing next month. Not sure about you, but 1080p games look pretty fabulous right now.

I'm pretty sure Sony will announce 4k gaming next year--this might give them an advantage, as UHD resolution is already availible on PC and a game on that setting looks decidedly better than it's lower 2k resolution. There are some thing that can be done (AF, AA boost), but nothing can replace large amounts of good old fashioned pixels!
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Originally Posted by kevon27 View Post

Take away all the stuff the Xbox one is coming with, TV, apps, kinect and all you really have is better graphics. People will try to deny it but the release of a new system is for BETTER GRAPHICS. Which I don't mind. I would rather see an Xbox 360 or Ps3 supercharged. It would be like upgrading a PC. Take the CPU and GPU's in the current system and clock them faster. And add more memory. This way you'll have backward compatibility, less development cost, all games can run at full 1080p 60fps.
Back in the ole days, programmers relied on programming skill and trickery to get systems to do things they should not really be doing. Now it about lazy programming and a new system every few years.

I'm waiting for the day where developers can create a unified environment where the computer can be treated like a console. Steam gets very close, but I haven't explored it much in recent years. The best of both worlds--the stability of consoles mixed with the performance potential of PC....now that's a match made in heaven.
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Less than a week until the arrival of the Black Pearl Legacy Focus SE pair with the glorious Marquis HD. I'm going to be running them full range--I like the idea of localized bass......the experimentation shall be grand! I'm still trying to decide on surrounds, although I think I'm going to pursue another Legacy Focus SE pair for surround duty. Why stop now, eh? lol.
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Less than a week until the arrival of the Black Pearl Legacy Focus SE pair with the glorious Marquis HD. I'm going to be running them full range--I like the idea of localized bass......the experimentation shall be grand! I'm still trying to decide on surrounds, although I think I'm going to pursue another Legacy Focus SE pair for surround duty. Why stop now, eh? lol.

I would say stop when space, finances, or common sense say so. Or when you reach the point the still small voice inside says, "It's enough. This is good." I did that last one, and it carried me for 14 years. But the ball started rolling again when I got it in me that a new TV would be nice; I think I'm now on the verge of another still small voice moment once my preamp settles in.

Legacy speakers. Very good! smile.gif
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Congrats on your new speakers. Gave up on the Seatons? JTRs are supposed to be excellent!

I haven't "given up" on the Seatons... Just went the more economical way for now. These should hold me over quite well until I decide on what to do with my room. Eventually, I plan on doing something different in there. Then I can consider the Seatons because I will have more flexibility with placement.

The Noesis are supposed to be pretty amazing speakers, so I can't wait. Hopefully I will have them within 2-2.5 weeks.
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I would say stop when space, finances, or common sense say so. Or when you reach the point the still small voice inside says, "It's enough. This is good." I did that last one, and it carried me for 14 years. But the ball started rolling again when I got it in me that a new TV would be nice; I think I'm now on the verge of another still small voice moment once my preamp settles in.

Legacy speakers. Very good! smile.gif

LOL, believe me, these upgrades are going to last me 14 years and probably longer. I have a number of endeavors that I plan to pursue over the next few years and there won't be a cent available for HT once I really kick these plans into gear. Believe it or not, I have a Gantt chart on my expected life-direction, and these plans, according to the project schedule, also align with the introduction of fatherhood (the predecessor of which is, of course, marriage--which is, itself, fast approaching).

Something tells me once UHD reached its apex, you won't be able to resist another upgrade. The funny thing about that is, when you are ready to upgrade, you'll still get almost exactly what you paid for your Kuro--if not more. BTW--how do you like your 501's? i've been looking at them very, very closely for a 2014 purchase, although i've also been looking at a pair of Parasound JC-1's as well. I have to upgrade my amps in order to run the Legacies really open up in Full Range mode, with a eventual subwoofer for the LFE track (LPF 120, just to be on the safe side for the hard-coded LFE track.)
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^ Brolic, how are you liking the Marantz over the Integra?
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^ Brolic, how are you liking the Marantz over the Integra?

Hey Sarge, I honestly cant say since the speakers I used the integra with are in a totally different category from the ones I'll be using the next time I run Audyssey. I haven't run Audyssey for my placeholder Infinity speakers so they cant be used in comparison since they were using the klipsch audyssey settings before I sold the Integra. I just disengaged from the audio performance facet of my system between tbe sale of my klipsches and the acquisition of the Legacies.
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LOL, believe me, these upgrades are going to last me 14 years and probably longer. I have a number of endeavors that I plan to pursue over the next few years and there won't be a cent available for HT once I really kick these plans into gear. Believe it or not, I have a Gantt chart on my expected life-direction, and these plans, according to the project schedule, also align with the introduction of fatherhood (the predecessor of which is, of course, marriage--which is, itself, fast approaching).

Something tells me once UHD reached its apex, you won't be able to resist another upgrade. The funny thing about that is, when you are ready to upgrade, you'll still get almost exactly what you paid for your Kuro--if not more. BTW--how do you like your 501's? i've been looking at them very, very closely for a 2014 purchase, although i've also been looking at a pair of Parasound JC-1's as well. I have to upgrade my amps in order to run the Legacies really open up in Full Range mode, with a eventual subwoofer for the LFE track (LPF 120, just to be on the safe side for the hard-coded LFE track.)

The MC501s are amazing. They are very musical, run very cool, have an ease about them that doesn't induce listener fatigue, and look cool. Plus, with DVD, BD, even LD—they rock. They absolutely can carry a soundtrack. They're dynamic in my system. Thumps thump. That said, before I got them I was giving real thought to the JC1s. The reasons I didn't get JC1s were that they're gas guzzlers—they pull much more power than the Macs; they run hot, even in the lower bias setting. If your space is small, the heat may matter. And until recently, they didn't come in black. But everything I read suggested that they, too, can rock an HT and any tunes you want.

The JC1s have 400wpc vs. the 501s' 500wpc. Plus, they have 3 taps (8, 4, and 2-ohm). Either should drive the Legacy speakers well. How power-hungry are they? Theoretically/technically, one amp may be more appropriate than the other. But either will drive them. I don't know if the 501s are still in regular production or not—they were replaced by the 601s, as far as I know—but you could score a pair on the used market for less than a new pair of JC1s. Thy're still on the McIntosh website, for what that's worth. Plus, you could perhaps do a custom order for the 501s but it will take a few weeks, and a new pair would be more than a new pair of JC1s.

One other thing. The Macs are heavier: 92 lbs as opposed to 64 lbs for the Parasounds.
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Upgrade??
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The MC501s are amazing. They are very musical, run very cool, have an ease about them that doesn't induce listener fatigue, and look cool. Plus, with DVD, BD, even LD—they rock. They absolutely can carry a soundtrack. They're dynamic in my system. Thumps thump. That said, before I got them I was giving real thought to the JC1s. The reasons I didn't get JC1s were that they're gas guzzlers—they pull much more power than the Macs; they run hot, even in the lower bias setting. If your space is small, the heat may matter. And until recently, they didn't come in black. But everything I read suggested that they, too, can rock an HT and any tunes you want.

The JC1s have 400wpc vs. the 501s' 500wpc. Plus, they have 3 taps (8, 4, and 2-ohm). Either should drive the Legacy speakers well. How power-hungry are they? Theoretically/technically, one amp may be more appropriate than the other. But either will drive them. I don't know if the 501s are still in regular production or not—they were replaced by the 601s, as far as I know—but you could score a pair on the used market for less than a new pair of JC1s. Thy're still on the McIntosh website, for what that's worth. Plus, you could perhaps do a custom order for the 501s but it will take a few weeks, and a new pair would be more than a new pair of JC1s.

One other thing. The Macs are heavier: 92 lbs as opposed to 64 lbs for the Parasounds.

Thanks for the rundown Prepress. Those 601's look really amazing! Priced a bit high compared to the Parasounds though....but they are sexy w/ the specs to nack up their looks.
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Thanks for the rundown Prepress. Those 601's look really amazing! Priced a bit high compared to the Parasounds though....but they are sexy w/ the specs to nack up their looks.

To clarify, it's the MC501s that have three taps, not the Parasounds. As for the MC601s, they are 600wpc and more neutral-sounding than my 501s. I prefer the look of the 501 personally, and don't need the extra 100w. That, their extra size, and the money precluded my upgrading to 601s.
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To clarify, it's the MC501s that have three taps, not the Parasounds. As for the MC601s, they are 600wpc and more neutral-sounding than my 501s. I prefer the look of the 501 personally, and don't need the extra 100w. That, their extra size, and the money precluded my upgrading to 601s.

Why the three taps? I believe most amps automatically handle the Ohms. Is it a fundamental engineering/design choice? I've noticed other Mac amps output the same wattage regardless of Ohms....how is that? I'm quite curious.
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