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Nah. Planning isn't the problem; it's the outside forces that are the problem. smile.gif

If you later on decide you need soundproofing, will it be more expensive to do? I'd think it would be more trouble at least, since the room would be set up fully at that point and have to be taken apart. Still, if you decide you can get away without it and do just the minor things you mentioned, then that's money saved.

 

Since the rec room will be finished already, the only added expense for soundproofing later would be rebuilding the screen-wall if I do the screen-wall route.  There's also another screenwall option I've designed and may get custom built.  Going that route would make a later sound-proofing effort quite difficult.  Maybe I should stop posting my soundproofing ideas, only because they change EVERY DAY!!!...Nahhh.  lol.  Soundproofing has the fiscal blessing of the Mrs. so it really is all up to me.

 

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I like seeing that last comment..... Every theater needs a commercial popcorn machine. Bet I can recommend a good source! wink.gif

 

Yeah bro, I hear there's a guy in TN that's the best in the business! ;)

 

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I don't know how you did the measurements/calculations, but soundproofing shouldn't require 2 feet of wall thickness on any wall. If you use staggered studs, you only add a couple of inches. Even if you use a double wall with double layers of 5/8" drywall, you wouldn't be adding more than 6 inches:


http://www.soundproofing.com/elements_of_construction.html

I'm just sayin'...

Craig

 

My estimates were based on some pics I saw in Vikrao's build thread.  The wall's cross-section looked to be just over a foot or so, and I'd be adding OSB to the mix, as well as 2-inch and 4-inch acoustical panels all around, So I estimated nearly 2 feet in width. Probably closer to a foot and a half though.  I was leaning more toward the double wall instead of the staggered studs since I should, in theory, be able to build the second interior wall without ripping down the drywall on the original wall...but with staggered studs, the width of the studs overlap with the original studs.  How would the new decoupled ceiling joists rest on them, without touching the tops of the original studs? If I can do staggered studs and only lose a few inches, then I'd definitely look to making the 11x27 room the theater, instead of the main rec room area. Plus, the 11x27 room comes unfinished.

 

Edit: Found the answer to the joist question: IB3 clips.  Also found out that I can't build the room within the finished room due to the triple-leaf effect. Looks like staggered studs are now definitely the most desirable option.


Edited by BrolicBeast - 9/15/13 at 10:46am
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In the data-bass forum, they tested a single DIY 18" LMS Ultra 5400 in a sealed box, and it was the only single to put out 94.7db at 10Hz, measured outdoors ground plane. To give a comparison, that's also what the $9000 6 driver 4500watt rms Paradigm Signature Sub2 produced at 10Hz.


Max

I wonder what the distortion numbers were at that level....
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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

In the data-bass forum, they tested a single DIY 18" LMS Ultra 5400 in a sealed box, and it was the only single to put out 94.7db at 10Hz, measured outdoors ground plane. To give a comparison, that's also what the $9000 6 driver 4500watt rms Paradigm Signature Sub2 produced at 10Hz.


Max

I wonder what the distortion numbers were at that level....
http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=system&id=3&mset=35


Max
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Not put this thread off on a tangent but I heard those LMS drivers in custom boxes that weren't even that optimized for them and even at crazy levels, they sounded really good. The measurements on the data bass forum seem to confirm what I was hearing.
Edited by MIkeDuke - 9/17/13 at 4:48am
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I'm going back and forth between 2 F2's or 2 LMS's with clone amps. I've heard nothing but good things for both. I do find it a little sketchy having to wire money to purchase the clone. I mean sending money to china with out knowing if it will go through? They can say "we didn't receive payment" or something and your screwed.
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I'm going back and forth between 2 F2's or 2 LMS's with clone amps. I've heard nothing but good things for both. I do find it a little sketchy having to wire money to purchase the clone. I mean sending money to china with out knowing if it will go through? They can say "we didn't receive payment" or something and your screwed.

 

Having owned dual F2's, I can definitely tell you that they present the pinnacle of subwoofer perfomrance.  You can't go wrong by taking that route.

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Originally Posted by SeekingNirvana View Post

I'm going back and forth between 2 F2's or 2 LMS's with clone amps. I've heard nothing but good things for both. I do find it a little sketchy having to wire money to purchase the clone. I mean sending money to china with out knowing if it will go through? They can say "we didn't receive payment" or something and your screwed.
I will say that I own a SubMersive HP and even though I thought the LMS were killer, the SubMersive is quite the performer. At nearly every sub GTG , it ranks at the top, or near the top of the scale. The advantage that the SubMersive has is that it is built for your, with the amp already optimized for the sub. No assembly required. Don't take my previous remarks that the SubMersive is out classed by the LMS because it is not. The SubMersive is an incredible sub and you would not be upset with 2 F2's in your room.
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The Brolic Fire-sale has come to a close and the equipment acquisition period has begun.  A few new toys are forthcoming :D

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Nice way of putting it.... Glad I could take advantage of it... My new projector is AWESOME... biggrin.gif

What is the first purchase going to be?
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Nice way of putting it.... Glad I could take advantage of it... My new projector is AWESOME... biggrin.gif

What is the first purchase going to be?

Hey Jeff, I'm glad you're enjoying the RS56 biggrin.gif I can't convey just how happy I am that it's in the possession of someone who truly values all that it's capable of.

In response to your question, the first purchase has already occurred...

Triad Platinum LCR's for placement behind a 13-foot wide AT screen:


What's amazing is that these are LCR's (i.e. not floorstanders) but look how they dwarf the monoblock to the left.

Legacy still has a major role to play in my next house. I've decided to build a dedicated music room (treated for two channels, fabric on walls, the whole 9 yards, in an unfinished 14x10 room. In this room shall go a pair of Aeris loudspeakers. But--first-things-first. 4k projector is next on the acquisition list. The anticipation for CEDIA is driving me bonkers.
Edited by BrolicBeast - 9/18/13 at 6:28pm
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CraigJohn has the Triads and loves them - for music and movies.

A 13 foot wide screen😀. Wowzer!
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CraigJohn has the Triads and loves them - for music and movies.

A 13 foot wide screen😀. Wowzer!

Saving for a light-cannon man!

When are you going to update your build thread? Can't leave us hangin'!
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Hey Jeff, I'm glad you're enjoying the RS56 biggrin.gif I can't convey just how happy I am that it's in the possession of someone who truly values all that it's capable of.

In response to your question, the first purchase has already occurred...

Triad Platinum LCR's for placement behind a 13-foot wide AT screen:


What's amazing is that these are LCR's (i.e. not floorstanders) but look how they dwarf the monoblock to the left.

Legacy still has a major role to play in my next house. I've decided to build a dedicated music room (treated for two channels, fabric on walls, the whole 9 yards, in an unfinished 14x10 room. In this room shall go a pair of Aeris loudspeakers. But--first-things-first. 4k projector is next on the acquisition list. The anticipation for CEDIA is driving me bonkers.

We are going to be breaking in the projector big time this weekend. I am hosting a movie night on Friday, my wife is having one Saturday and then I am going to get caught up on my "non-wife approved" action movies Sunday. :-D

Those Triads are huge... What made you go that route?
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Saving for a light-cannon man!

When are you going to update your build thread? Can't leave us hangin'!

Work had to stop as they installed the wrong carpet and we are still waiting for the correct carpet to arrive

Most of the acoustic treatment is at the house -- nine GIK q7D's and 8 monster traps with scatter plates. I am waiting on the two front corner bass traps. Once the PJ is installed I will be getting front ceiling treatment.

Next up is to build columns for the 4 surrounds.

We are moving our "stuff" in this weekend😄
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So going the Triad route huh Matt? Well, you already heard them so you know what to expect. Your music room and HT room should both be outstanding. I can't wait to see these both take shape.
Edit.
So The Legacies are going in a room dedicated for 2ch. Many people say that is the way to go TBH. But not too many people have that option. I was just wondering what equipment was going in that room with the big Legacies. Amp. dedicated preamp, media playback(server?) etc...
Edited by MIkeDuke - 9/19/13 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post


Triad Platinum LCR's for placement behind a 13-foot wide AT screen:


What's amazing is that these are LCR's (i.e. not floorstanders) but look how they dwarf the monoblock to the left.

Legacy still has a major role to play in my next house. I've decided to build a dedicated music room (treated for two channels, fabric on walls, the whole 9 yards, in an unfinished 14x10 room. In this room shall go a pair of Aeris loudspeakers. But--first-things-first. 4k projector is next on the acquisition list. The anticipation for CEDIA is driving me bonkers.

So the build begins!!!! Those triads are monsters and I bet they sound big and I am glad to see you are eventually doing a music only Legacy lounge lol!!! to have the best of both worlds.
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

Nice way of putting it.... Glad I could take advantage of it... My new projector is AWESOME... biggrin.gif

What is the first purchase going to be?

Hey Jeff, I'm glad you're enjoying the RS56 biggrin.gif I can't convey just how happy I am that it's in the possession of someone who truly values all that it's capable of.

In response to your question, the first purchase has already occurred...

Triad Platinum LCR's for placement behind a 13-foot wide AT screen:


What's amazing is that these are LCR's (i.e. not floorstanders) but look how they dwarf the monoblock to the left.

Legacy still has a major role to play in my next house. I've decided to build a dedicated music room (treated for two channels, fabric on walls, the whole 9 yards, in an unfinished 14x10 room. In this room shall go a pair of Aeris loudspeakers. But--first-things-first. 4k projector is next on the acquisition list. The anticipation for CEDIA is driving me bonkers.

Don't suppose you've tested/compared the Triads vs the Focus SE's in your own HT? I'd be curious to hear your impressions about them head to head, whether either has an advantage in dynamics, musicality and resolving detail etc.? Or if they're more similar than dissimilar (in which case., why the change?). And BTW, if you're going with an AT screen, why didn't you just get 3 of the same across the front as opposed to the horizontally oriented center?


Max
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

We are going to be breaking in the projector big time this weekend. I am hosting a movie night on Friday, my wife is having one Saturday and then I am going to get caught up on my "non-wife approved" action movies Sunday. :-D

Those Triads are huge... What made you go that route?

Nice! Break in the PJ in a big way!! Star Trek Into Darkness buddy!!!! lol smile.gif

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Originally Posted by audioguy View Post

Work had to stop as they installed the wrong carpet and we are still waiting for the correct carpet to arrive

Most of the acoustic treatment is at the house -- nine GIK q7D's and 8 monster traps with scatter plates. I am waiting on the two front corner bass traps. Once the PJ is installed I will be getting front ceiling treatment.

Next up is to build columns for the 4 surrounds.

We are moving our "stuff" in this weekend😄

Thanks for the update, Chuck. My thirst for progress on "The IVth" has been temporarily satiated! lol.

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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

So going the Triad route huh Matt? Well, you already heard them so you know what to expect. Your music room and HT room should both be outstanding. I can't wait to see these both take shape.
Edit.
So The Legacies are going in a room dedicated for 2ch. Many people say that is the way to go TBH. But not too many people have that option. I was just wondering what equipment was going in that room with the big Legacies. Amp. dedicated preamp, media playback(server?) etc...

It's funny....owning them and not being able listen to them is stopping me from getting truly attached, although my gosh, they look good in person. The new theater won't be up and running for months...that's a long time to resist the urge to sell them due to lack of use...

As far as equipment for the 2-channel room, it would be another Emotiva XPR-1 monoblock duo; I might even take a stab a turntable, although something tells me I won't be able to deal with the hisses and pops after being attached to high-rez audio for so long.

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Originally Posted by wkingincharge View Post

So the build begins!!!! Those triads are monsters and I bet they sound big and I am glad to see you are eventually doing a music only Legacy lounge lol!!! to have the best of both worlds.

LOL, hey man--the Legacy AMT's are just sublime for music--I haven't heard better. They're knockouts for movies as well--I wish I could play some familiar material on the Plats for comparison before moving them to an unfamiliar room, but everything's disassembled or sold as I remodel my first floor.

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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

Don't suppose you've tested/compared the Triads vs the Focus SE's in your own HT? I'd be curious to hear your impressions about them head to head, whether either has an advantage in dynamics, musicality and resolving detail etc.? Or if they're more similar than dissimilar (in which case., why the change?). And BTW, if you're going with an AT screen, why didn't you just get 3 of the same across the front as opposed to the horizontally oriented center?


Max

Nope, didn't get a chance to A/B them so I unfortunately don't have head-to-head impressions. I've been getting that 3 identical question alot. lol.....the only difference between the center channel and the right and left channel are the locations of the woofers. Tweeter, waveguide, and midrange drivers are identical across all three. I also want to maintain resale value down the line--if I do end up eventually selling these, I don't want to be limited to potential buyers with AT screens. Plus I"ll be Equalizing them with a Xilica XD processor, so Ill get the most out of all three.
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I have the Plats on my very low VTI amp stands, now that the Sound Anchor stands are pulling Monoblock duty. These things aren't ear height, and already their size and heft in-person is impressive, to say the least. I may have to just hook my computer to my Cambridge Audio DacMagic's USB input, output via XLR to the monoblocks, and use Jriver for volume control.

But wait.....as I typed this, I figured out a way to play music...OK....so I can play material, but is it worth it with the Plats so low? I dunno...

Thoughts?


Edited by BrolicBeast - 9/19/13 at 8:55pm
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

I have the Plats on my very low VTI amp stands, now that the Sound Anchor stands are pulling Monoblock duty. These things aren't ear height, and already their size and heft in-person is impressive, to say the least. I may have to just hook my computer to my Cambridge Audio DacMagic's USB input, output via XLR to the monoblocks, and use Jriver for volume control.

But wait.....as I typed this, I figured out a way to play music...OK....so I can play material, but is it worth it with the Plats so low? I dunno...

Thoughts?

You could try playing them like that but the hometheater review's measurements show that the waveguides for the tweeters produce a pretty narrow vertical dispersion (i.e. you optimally want to be at tweeter height as the highs are rolled off a fair bit by 15-degrees)


Max
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You could try playing them like that but the hometheater review's measurements show that the waveguides for the tweeters produce a pretty narrow vertical dispersion (i.e. you optimally want to be at tweeter height as the highs are rolled off a fair bit by 15-degrees)


Max

Yeah, I was checking some measurements last night too--it doesn't seem to make much sense to play them with the tweeters at knee level. I'll just keep them where they are until I either get stands for them, or swap speakers (my room, as numbered as its days are, is just a revolving door these days.)
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Hooked the Triad Platinums up to my Sonos and JRiver-powered computer via Cambridge Audio DacMagic w/ the respective applications handling volume control. Very impressive....VERY impressive. I'll save my specific impressions for when I get them up on some stands w/ the tweeters at ear height so I'll have a better idea of soundstage and imaging, but right now they are blowing my mind from a raw detail standpoint.
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Congrats Matt!

They look awesome!!!
Can't wait to see what you think of them once you have the stands and get them dialed in.cool.gif



Claude
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question. if your doing an at screen why not do three identical LCR speakers?
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Congrats Matt!

They look awesome!!!
Can't wait to see what you think of them once you have the stands and get them dialed in.cool.gif



Claude

Thanks Claude! I bet you're jamming to your Golds right now wink.gif

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question. if your doing an at screen why not do three identical LCR speakers?

LOL...A very popular, but very valid question! The answer is here.
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Tried using Google Sketchup today, thinking that I could just dive in and get-to-designin'

Wrong.......

That's a serious program right there for a first-time, non-tutorial-viewing beginner like myself. I'll need to catch the tutorials and try again another day this week. I love it's capabilities though--I plan to have a full design layout of the theater before the first stud is screwed into place.
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Updated Theater Plan. This room is unfinished, is surrounded mostly by foundation wall, and is fully sealed from the get-go. I'm considering building the theater in this room instead of tearing down half the rec room in order to build a larger theater. I've noted the three different seating distances from the screen, which would be 10' wide. I plan to get a processor that can split side-surround signals so maintain a cohesive surround sound-stage.

[FYI: Red Highlight: Subwoofer]

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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Updated Theater Plan. This room is unfinished, is surrounded mostly by foundation wall, and is fully sealed from the get-go. I'm considering building the theater in this room instead of tearing down half the rec room in order to build a larger theater. I've noted the three different seating distances from the screen, which would be 10' wide. I plan to get a processor that can split side-surround signals so maintain a cohesive surround sound-stage.

[FYI: Red Highlight: Subwoofer]


Plan to crawl over the seats?
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Plan to crawl over the seats?

LOL--interestingly enough, I didn't give any thought to side isles when putting that together.....maybe that room just isn't as convenient as I want it to be.

Back to the drawing board. I just want to avoid tearing down the brand-new Rec Room while the paint is still barely dry. frown.gif
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LOL--interestingly enough, I didn't give any thought to side isles when putting that together.....maybe that room just isn't as convenient as I want it to be.

Back to the drawing board. I just want to avoid tearing down the brand-new Rec Room while the paint is still barely dry. frown.gif

Here you go man...


Gray area is the riser. Two levels...

That second row looks like prime real estate for you and your better half.

Even have a epic single seat so can you focus the Focus's toe in perfectly when the 2 channel mood arises.
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