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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

If anybody can swing this I highly recommend it. IMHO, Craig's system is so good that it almost boarders on being illegal tongue.gif.
Thanks Mike. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

I am willing to have people visit my theater on Sunday after the gtg. Jonathan and sheldon are already planning to do so. If others would like to I can accomodate up to 4 visitors.
4 more? Or 4 total? Mark me and Brandon (beastaudio) down to potentially attend.
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Thanks Mike. smile.gif
Craig, you are who I want to be like when and if I grow up tongue.gif.
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4 more? Or 4 total? Mark me and Brandon (beastaudio) down to potentially attend.
Give the seating arrangements at Craig's house, I would think he meant 4 total. But I will let him say how many for sure.
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

4 more? Or 4 total? Mark me and Brandon (beastaudio) down to potentially attend.

I have 4 seats. I can set up some bar stools behind the main seating, but the surround field is compromised back there. If more than 4 people want to attend, we'll just need to have people shuffle through the sweet spot.

There is just one rule though... I hold the remote. smile.gif

Craig
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Craig, you are who I want to be like when and if I grow up tongue.gif.
Then, for your sake, I hope you never grow up! biggrin.gif
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Thread Starter 

Working on developing the left half of the basement, which will be dedicated to AV (the long room would be an arcade, a la the movie theater!!!  This is what I have so far. All but the last photo are drawn to scale with real-world room measurements.

 

 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

Then, for your sake, I hope you never grow up! biggrin.gif
It's a battle I fight every day but I don't know how it will end TBH tongue.gif. I am probably done. The only growing up I can try and do is get a 50" TV in my room and then I will have reached maturity, Well, at least as far as m y system goes. Personally, I have a long way to go before that happens biggrin.gif.
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Working on developing the left half of the basement, which will be dedicated to AV (the long room would be an arcade, a la the movie theater!!!  This is what I have so far. All but the last photo are drawn to scale with real-world room measurements.















Looks good! Build thread?
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Looks good! Build thread?
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1498937/the-beast-unleashed
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Subscribing!
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Working on developing the left half of the basement, which will be dedicated to AV (the long room would be an arcade, a la the movie theater!!!  This is what I have so far. All but the last photo are drawn to scale with real-world room measurements.















Bad Idea with the equipment out side if u plan on having a family soon lol but looks great
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Bad Idea with the equipment out side if u plan on having a family soon lol but looks great

LOL, I actually think I'll enclose the equipment in plexiglass with perforations in the rear in order to child-proof the equipment.  I build a few plexiglass boxes in high school electronics class to putt a door-bell I build in (my father still uses it as his door bell to this day)--I just need to jog my memory on how exactly I did it.  I think I used glue...but that doesn't seem strong enough. Hmmmm...

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http://youtu.be/l3UvwRHqEFA

Check this out might be a good idea for a glass door for Equipment rack
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Your equipment room is larger than many theaters. Mine is 19 feet long but only 4'10" wide -- but large enough.
post #2776 of 3159
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Working on developing the left half of the basement, which will be dedicated to AV (the long room would be an arcade, a la the movie theater!!!  This is what I have so far.



Hi Matt,

A few observations for your consideration... smile.gif

I think you're planning to put your speakers behind your screen. I don't see any space behind your screen in your drawings. Is your screen mounted on the front wall or is that a "false wall" and there is another hard wall behind it? If the screen is mounted on the front wall in the drawing, you'll want to move it forward to allow for placement of the speakers behind it. If you want to see how one person built a false screen wall, check out pepar's theater build: http://peparsplace.com/pg3.html

If you move the screen forward into the room, this will also influence your seating distance to the screen, which may influence the size of the screen you go with, which may influence speaker placement behind the screen. It may also influence where and how you mount your projector. This stuff is all inter-related, and it all starts with the screen size and placement. Here is a viewing distance calculator that will help you calculate the optimal smallest and largest screen sizes based on your viewing distance: http://www.screeninnovations.com/viewing-distance-calculator/ Having a screen that is too large for your viewing distance is not a good idea. You end up having to move your eyes and your head to follow the action on the screen.

I don't see any dimensions on your drawings. Is your theater aligned along the long axis or the wide axis? Generally, it's better to use the long axis. This article explains the rationale': http://realtraps.com/art_room-setup.htm If you're currently aligned along the wide dimension, is it possible to turn things 90 degrees to the right? Kinda like this:



Then you could integrate some or all of the space I've outlined in red above into the theater space. You could use some of the space as a "projection room/equipment room" and use the rest of the space in the theater proper. Using the long axis would also give you more room up front for the false wall.

Is the rear row of seats against the back wall? If so, that is a tough placement in terms of bass response for those seats. If you turn the theater and use the long axis, you would have more room to move the rear row out, away from the back wall.

Just some food for thought...

Craig
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^^^^ what Criag said. To add one thing to Craig's comments, not only do you need a space behind the wall to place your speakers, you need to plan a way to get at them should you need to, preferably without dismounting the screen. In my case, I built my equipment room behind then screen wall and that is how I also access my center channel, should I need to do so. Maybe you are planning a retractable screen and if so that provides access.

I did see one theater (maybe Art Sonneborn's) that provided access to the speakers by lifting up the screen. That would not work in my situation as the masking system is sort of connected to the screen.

Have fun!
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Originally Posted by audioguy View Post

^^^^ what Criag said. To add one thing to Craig's comments, not only do you need a space behind the wall to place your speakers, you need to plan a way to get at them should you need to, preferably without dismounting the screen. In my case, I built my equipment room behind then screen wall and that is how I also access my center channel, should I need to do so. Maybe you are planning a retractable screen and if so that provides access.

I did see one theater (maybe Art Sonneborn's) that provided access to the speakers by lifting up the screen. That would not work in my situation as the masking system is sort of connected to the screen.

Have fun!
Yes indeed, Chuck's idea with the equipment in the false wall is a good one, provided you have some easy way to access it, like Chuck does. If you turn the theater 90 degrees and put the screen on the right wall, with a false wall, you could put a door under the stairwell to access it.

If that doesn't work, the false wall that pepar built is all velcro'd together and is pretty simple to take apart for accessing the speakers and subs. He used GOM which is acoustically transparent because he has "SuperChunk" bass traps around the whole perimeter of the front wall: http://peparsplace.com/pg23.html

Craig
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Thread Starter 

Craig,

 

Thanks for the input!  I did indeed forget to include space for the speakers behind the screen, which will cut my distance by about two feet.  This gives me 16’ depth instead of 18’, which actually changes EVERYTHING.  Gone is the second row, which will be replaced by a bar counter w/ stools for overflow seating.  I’ll need to get a five-seat row, as opposed to the four seat row, which is ok for me since it will just be my family and I (which will not exceed four members) 90% of the time. I plan to mount the projector before I order the screen, so I can get an idea of just how big a screen I’m comfortable with going for.  After much thought, I’ve made movement on the Sony 600ES+4k server+tablet.  The Sony should light up any size screen I want—but as you said, I don’t want to move my eyes and head in order to take it all in, so I’ll need to do some real-world testing.

 

You know, as I looked at the drawing, I realized that in my excitement over being able to model the theater (it really is exciting), I forgot one major design detail; the basement is offset at a specific point.  Updated design is posted below (of the equipment room—screen wall hasn’t been properly adjusted yet):

 

 

 

The wall on the left of the theater, as-is, actually doesn’t exist.  I’ll have to build it in line with the offset of the room to separate the room into two rectangles.  The equipment room is actually the lobby that just happens to have equipment in it.  there will also be a candy/popcorn counter, between the theater door and the door at the bottom of the stairs.  That lobby is 10’ across x18 long, while the theater room will be 17’ across x18’ long, although the screen will make it 17’ across x 16’ long. The length and width of the room are close enough that any wall that the screen goes on will make the theater a wide-axis room.  But alas, if that weren't the case, the screen still couldn't go on the wall that you pointed out because on that wall, hidden by a column bolted into the solid core door, is a doorway that leads to the rest of the basement.  There will absolutely be a false wall that will be 100% AT, as my subwoofers will also be behind there.

 

I think the single row is probably the best way to go, as the bass would have been bad in the rear row anyway.  An alternative I used to think about was building the theater in the long room behind the theater, but it’s only 10’ wide, and just wouldn’t give me the experience that I’d want.

 

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Originally Posted by audioguy View Post

^^^^ what Criag said. To add one thing to Craig's comments, not only do you need a space behind the wall to place your speakers, you need to plan a way to get at them should you need to, preferably without dismounting the screen. In my case, I built my equipment room behind then screen wall and that is how I also access my center channel, should I need to do so. Maybe you are planning a retractable screen and if so that provides access.

I did see one theater (maybe Art Sonneborn's) that provided access to the speakers by lifting up the screen. That would not work in my situation as the masking system is sort of connected to the screen.

Have fun!

i've been thinking about speaker access ,actually.  The screen I'm looking at uses Z-Brackets, so I'd just lift the screen off of the bracket to access the speakers which will require two people, but the screen isn't extremely heavy so I'm sure I can rely on my wife to assist with that on one side.  i've also seen those setups where the screen can move up on a hinge of some sort.  I would never trust such a setup--I'd be worried every second that the screen is not vertical. Which masking system do you use?  Carada Masquerade?

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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

SUCCESS!!! The source of the ground-loop has been isolated! It's the right XPR-1 plugged into its dedicated 20 amp circuit. I just got off the phone with Jensen Transformers, and it looks like that circuit on the same panel as my other circuits is causing a ground loop through the XLR cable of the XPR-1. I have a Jensen PI-XX transformer on the way to correct this problem!! biggrin.gif Thanks to all who gav me advice on seeking this out!!!

Am sorry but what is the main purpose off the Jensen PI-XX transformer
Thank u
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Matt, look out! Someone is sneaking into your theater!

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Originally Posted by wilfredent View Post


Am sorry but what is the main purpose off the Jensen PI-XX transformer
Thank u

Hi Wilfred, the Jensen PI-XX mitigates ground-loop noise at the XLR cable level. The hum was spreading to all the speakers through the right XPR-1 amplifier, but the Jensen essentially kills the ground signal between the processor and the amp, so less "hum" is transmitted.

 

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Matt, look out! Someone is sneaking into your theater!

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LOL--drats....I told him not to use his powers without my permission!!!

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Well, utilizing two rows is now an option again.  As I went through multiple threads, searching for solutions, I came across Spaceman's thread.  His room is one foot longer than mine, and he got two rows to work.  I won't mind pushing the rear-row against the wall; I actually plan to work the HECK out of Dirac to see how it stacks up against Audyssey.  I may put subs in the rear (I have some ideas for disguise) as well to even out bass response.  the rear wall will also be very well treated!

post #2784 of 3159
Thread Starter 
It's been ages since I shot a video--but one for the Theta Casablanca 3HD is on its way in the next few days!
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Which masking system do you use?  Carada Masquerade?

Yes. In fact I am in the process of installing it. If the product quality is one tenth of the quality of the packing/packaging, then I am in for a treat. As an FYI, the shipment weighs 160 pounds --- for a masking system eek.gif Certainly some of the weight is the physical box it came in but this is one well designed and engineered piece of equipment.

There are a number of variables when building a home theater that should (IMHO) stand above the rest (e.g. the room, room treatment, room EQ and probably acoustically transparent screens [will know shortly]). I would add to that list screen masking. It in no way needs to be automated (some Velcro attached panels would work just fine) but the improvement in contrast when all areas around the picture are BLACK (as in velvet black}, is a huge improvement. The "black" bars that show up on a 16 x 9 picture on a 2:35 screen are a long way from "black". I suppose enlarging the picture to fill the screen is an option as well, but not a purist solution.

A friend had one first and I was blown away by how much the picture improved, so as a well behaved addict, I did the same thing. My previous masking system was, apparently, a one of a kind but worked 98% of the time and met my needs. Unfortunately, he is no longer in the business.

There is a thread somewhere on AVS that is all about using velvet on the entire front wall. Check it out and you can see the huge improvement it makes over other dark paint or material.
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Thread Starter 
Finally found the time to unbox and install the Theta Casablanca 3HD




Slumming it in two-channel until the next theater is up and running. Thankfully, the phantom center is killer biggrin.gif


Interestingly, it's not a user friendly as the Pre/Pro's I've grown accustomed to. Setting it up definitely does have a high-end feel to it, not because of the difficulty but because of the flexibility afforded by this machine. The configuration potential is insane. I can assign one subwoofer to every channel of a 5.1 configuration, which then makes it 5.5....that just scratches the surface...This pre/pro is going to make me spend more $!!! lol. Surprisingly, the HDMI output gets bonkers with long cable runs. Thankfully, I had a powered HDMI extender lying around, so I was able to get rid of the sparklies, but believe me--my first 20 minutes with the machine were quite frustrating.

The sound? Absolutely astounding! I'm going to write an AVS review after I've had a few weeks with it.

I love this Theta.
Edited by BrolicBeast - 11/15/13 at 5:55pm
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Thread Starter 
Theta Digital Casablanca 3HD Unboxing Video:
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Come on man stop doing this to me wink.gif

That Theta is stunning and the configuration options seem endless you will not have to upgrade that part of your system for the foreseeable future.

I am subscribing to your build thread as I look forward to seeing the final product . BTW !! Once the room is complete go ahead and send out notices to the local movie houses that there are out of business lol!!!.
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Originally Posted by wkingincharge View Post

Come on man stop doing this to me wink.gif

That Theta is stunning and the configuration options seem endless you will not have to upgrade that part of your system for the foreseeable future.

I am subscribing to your build thread as I look forward to seeing the final product . BTW !! Once the room is complete go ahead and send out notices to the local movie houses that there are out of business lol!!!.

LOL...that's if you haven't already put them out of business with your new dedicated room! Man, after doing a bunch of listening tests, the Theta with the Platinums make me feel like I've finally hit the peak of all possible satisfaction. biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif I played some key scenes from Star Trek Into Darkness and Man of Steel, as well as my normal bettery of tests late last week, and this is the best sound I've ever heard, in any room, bar none. The Plats were made for processors like the Theta, and the Theta was made for speakers like the Triad Platinums. I got it dialed in, and my mind is just blown. I don't normally gush praise like this, but I love the experience, even though the system is relegated to 2.1 channels until the next theater is up and running.

For anyone out there thinking about making the leap into this category of processor, I strongly suggest it. Dirac will only tighten up the performance, once released later this year.

**Jumps for joy while seated at listening position.**
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Sweet score just doesn't say it!!!! Congratulations brother!!!! I googled it right quick to take a look at it...........the price jumped out and punched me in the gut so hard, I'm still not breathing biggrin.gif

If I give you my address and pay for shipping on all items, will you give me your throw-aways??? biggrin.gif

Serious dude, I'd love to invite myself over and hang in your theater for a day or two................
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