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post #2911 of 3159
Whoa! I missed the bachelor party. A big congrats, B².
post #2912 of 3159
Best upgrade you'll ever make and may it last a lifetime wink.gif

Congrats

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post #2913 of 3159
Congratulations bro very happy for you
post #2914 of 3159
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Popping in to share a couple pics from Sunday.

Pic one says: "I'm still pissed that Theta did not release the Casablanca IV as of yet, what are they waiting for"


Pic two says: "We'll, now that this wedding thing is over, I can spend the rest of my life tweaking and upgrading my theater... I'm sooo happy, I'm crying inside"


Brother Brolic, Congratulation. It's a good thing to see a happy couple get married. May God keep your married strong for many years to come. Remember, put Christ first above ALL, ALL, ALL things.. Yes, that includes the Theta Casablanca IV.

Genesis 2:22-24
Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman, ' for she was taken out of man." For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

Proverbs 18:22
He who finds a wife finds what is good and receives favor from the LORD.

Proverbs 31:10
A wife of noble character who can find? She is worth far more than rubies.

Deuteronomy 24:5
If a man has recently married, he must not be sent to war or have any other duty laid on him. For one year he is to be free to stay at home and bring happiness to the wife he has married.

Matthew 19:4-6
"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh' ? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
post #2915 of 3159
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.

Congratulations: I truly wish you the best. Behind every great man is a great woman. I am sure yours fits the bill !!
post #2916 of 3159
Brolic a few questions for you:

1. The color theme for your wedding, are the colors inline with REC 709 or REC 2020?
2. Did your video guy record your wedding in 4K for archiving?
3. Did your DJ go with the traditional 2.1 speaker setup?
4. Did your DJ do a proper audio calibration.
5. I hope that you did not allow the music at your wedding to be anything less that 24/96?
post #2917 of 3159
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Originally Posted by kevon27 View Post

Brolic a few questions for you:

1. The color theme for your wedding, are the colors inline with REC 709 or REC 2020?
2. Did your video guy record your wedding in 4K for archiving?
3. Did your DJ go with the traditional 2.1 speaker setup?
4. Did your DJ do a proper audio calibration.
5. I hope that you did not allow the music at your wedding to be anything less that 24/96?
LOL! Long live AVS!


Max
post #2918 of 3159
Congratulations Matt. It's been a long time coming for you and the new mrs. Best of luck. Hope your honey moon "unboxing" video came out great. wink.gif
post #2919 of 3159
Thanks for sharing a few pictures of your special day with big Congrats to you both on what I consider one of the greatest things a person can experience during the life journey.

Enjoy the Honeymoon!!!!
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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

Hey Man. Have a great time on Sunday. A very big congrats to you.

I had a great time bro....thanks!!!

 

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Originally Posted by audioguy View Post

Matt:

Now you will have two significant others: The new Mrs AND your audio/home theater addiction. If you really want to enjoy the later, pay lots of attention to the former. To steal the phrase: A happy wife equals a happy life !!

Congratulations. And keep HIM first in your life and the rest will take care of itself.

Chuck

LOL--but alas, a happy wife does indeed equal a happy life.  I was sure to share as much at the reception as I gave my thank you speech, and the Mrs. wanted to say something.  God is at the head of our triangle (she, me, Him) and we will continue to keep him first in all things!

 

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Originally Posted by rsymmons View Post

Congrats for Sunday wishing you all the best and happiness for the future. Enjoy it. Russ

Thanks Russ--'twas a superb ceremony :-) 

 

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Originally Posted by jnnt29 View Post

Matt congratulations and enjoy you special day. JT

Gracias JT--we absolutely enjoyed it!

 

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Originally Posted by trenier View Post

Matt

I use this forum a long time for research, and my first post goes to you.
I follow your journey in the audio-video world, and I like the passion you put on this hobby..I can't wait to see your new "Beast" Home Theater.

I wish you the very best in this special day of your life, you certainly deserve. smile.gif

 Hi there, Trenier.  I am honored that this thread has received your first post!!!  Man, the beast is slowly forming.  I have a bunch of equipment lying around, along with some new measurement equipment and some other goodies, waiting to be used.  But, wedding gifts (and my wife's furniture) are all over the place as we wait to move into te new house, so I'm sitting tight for now.

 

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Congratulations and best wishes!'
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Originally Posted by Nuz1 View Post

Congratulations! Thanks for sharing the pics.

Thanks Nuz!!!  You know I just had to share the event with my AVS Family!

 

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Originally Posted by Done Deal DR View Post

Congrats and thanks for sharing your big moment!

Thanks 3D-R!  Married life is awesome. 

 

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Originally Posted by jenkzy56 View Post

Matt,
Here's wishing you and Mrs B. The very happiest of lives together!
Thanks for sharing your special moment here with us and I look forward to the rest of your
Journey.

Enjoy the honeymoon :-)

Kevin!!! Thanks a lot buddy--the honeymoon was great, and one the day we got back--I started my workout regimen. Pray for me bro **gulp**

 

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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

Yes, congratulations on a significant event. May you discover that, even as the two become one, each one is enhanced also. One kind of freedom is perhaps given up, but a new kind will take its place.

Go for it!

Thanks Prepress--wise words and all are true.  The freedom of singleness was getting really tired.  I'm almost 30 years old, and I was ready to take the next step in life with God at the helm.  I've been blessed with an excellent woman and we will enjoy exploring our new lives together!

 

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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

Congrats! WAF has now become a serious factor to consider!!

LOL--thankfully, WAF is no factor, as I've been given free reign of the basement, as long as she gets the rest of the house.  A VERY worthy tradeoff, methinks. 

 

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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

Totally awesome pics Matt. Congrats.

BTW, your wife is way prettier than you tongue.gifsmile.gif

LOLOLOLOL--I agree!!!!!  Thanks bud!

 

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Originally Posted by Bunga99 View Post

Congrats Matt! Wish you two the very best!! Awesome pics btw, you are one lucky dude - She is beautiful!!

Thanks Bunga--she's definitely a looker.  Waking up next to her is like winning the lottery every day.  She doesn't even snore!!! lol.  On a side note, I may be joining the Gold LCR club, as I'm likely going to pursue those for my surround/surround back channels!!! 

 

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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

Congrats Matt!


Max

Thanks Max!!

 

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Originally Posted by g_bartman View Post

I now pronounce you Mr and Mrs Beast.
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It's official--we have been pronounced Mr. and Mrs. Beast! May I now kiss the bride???  Yessss!!!!  :-)  What an exciting day that was!

 

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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

Whoa! I missed the bachelor party. A big congrats, B².

The mighty Wabo!!!! Much to the dismay of my best man and the other groomsmen, I had no bachelor party. Tried as they did to convince me to do something "bachelor party-esque," the night before the wedding, I ate my favorite dish while listening to my favorite music tracks of all time, all while reflecting on my life as it has been, while planning life as it will be.

 

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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Best upgrade you'll ever make and may it last a lifetime wink.gif

Congrats

smile.gif

Thanks!  I agree--the absolute BEST upgrade a man can make!!!

 

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Originally Posted by wilfredent View Post

Congratulations bro very happy for you

Thanks buddy!

 

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Originally Posted by audioguy View Post

Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.

Congratulations: I truly wish you the best. Behind every great man is a great woman. I am sure yours fits the bill !!

I an especially fond of that text because it draws the parallel (one that is visited later on in Revelation) of Christ as the bridegroom, and the church as His bride.  This parallel is drawn throughout much of the New Testament.  A man's love for his wife must be akin to God's character, which is, itself, love.  Raw, unfiltered love. 

 

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Originally Posted by kevon27 View Post

Brolic a few questions for you:

1. The color theme for your wedding, are the colors inline with REC 709 or REC 2020?
2. Did your video guy record your wedding in 4K for archiving?
3. Did your DJ go with the traditional 2.1 speaker setup?
4. Did your DJ do a proper audio calibration.
5. I hope that you did not allow the music at your wedding to be anything less that 24/96?

FIRST OF ALL: LLLLL-OOOOO-LLLLLL!!!!!!!!!

 

Dude, that has got to be the funniest post I've read in years!!!  To answer your questions:

 

1. Unfortunately, the color are only inline with REC 709, although I hope to have a REC 2020-compliant theme by the time we renew our vows ten years from now!

2. 1080p only, but I did verify that it WAS 1080p.  You'd be surprised how many videographers we came across that were using 720p cameras.  They did not get the job!

3. LOL--We had no DJ.  I created a mix of the tracks that I wanted to play and merged them into one uber-long file.  Brought it to the location on a flash drive and had the A/V team load it up and hit play when appropriate.  (In NY mobster voice-->) "We don't need no stinkin' DJ!!!!!"

4. I insisted on making sure there was adequate channel separation, so reception attendees would hear individual channels.  The A/V guy wanted to play a mono signal in every speaker.  BUT THAT'S NOT HOW WE DO THINGS!!!

5. It's funny you mention that, because if there were enough 24/96 tracks out there, I would have done just that!!!  but alas, most of my favorite tracks are redbook cd quality.  Had I been thinking straight, I probably should have brought my Jriver-enabled computer to the reception so I could upsample to 24/96. :-)

 

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Originally Posted by Scout's staff View Post

Congratulations Matt. It's been a long time coming for you and the new mrs. Best of luck. Hope your honey moon "unboxing" video came out great. wink.gif

Thanks man! Oh the honeymoon unboxing video was in 8k resolution with long encoding times and a heck of a final scene.  lol. ;)

 

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Originally Posted by wkingincharge View Post

Thanks for sharing a few pictures of your special day with big Congrats to you both on what I consider one of the greatest things a person can experience during the life journey.

Enjoy the Honeymoon!!!!

Thanks man.  This is indeed, without a doubt, one of the greatest experiences someone can have on this Earth!

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Thread Starter 

Looks like I already have a dillema: I currently own a Theta Casablanca 3HD that I want to upgrade to the Theta Casablanca 4 with Dirac room correction.  The only problem with this is the fact I recently found out that the Casablanca 4 would require me to upgrade two of my DACs. (technically, only one DAC upgrade is needed for the functional "4" upgrade, but logically two DACs since the one DAC replacement would leave me with higher quality subwoofer DACs than surround channel DACs).  This is an expensive proposition, which is leading me to consider two options:

 

1) Skip the Casablanca 4 upgrade and get a Xilica Processor (the EQ devices used by Legacy Audio for their Aeris model) to manually tune the room for results likely (hopefully) just as effective as Dirac; or

2) Sell the Theta Casablanca and put the proceeds toward a Datasat RS20i (which is also upgradable, already has Dirac and DTS Neo X, and will have Auro 3d, etc.)

3) Suck it up, upgrade the DACs, then upgrade the Casablanca to "4" status. 

 

This is a difficult decision because I absolutely love the Theta Casablanca 3HD and can't fathom sound getting any better.  From what I've read, the RS20i's DACs are technically inferior to the Thetas, so I don't want to make an upgrade to features while downgrading sound quality...but just because the RS20i's DACs are technically inferior (marginally, from what I've read), does it mean I'll actually hear enough of a difference to care?

post #2922 of 3159
Hey Matt. First off, is the Dirac software you buy and put on a server different from what comes on these HT products? Also, there is a point where you upgrade just for the sake of upgrading. That is when you need to take a step back. I am sure that the Casablanca that you have is an outstanding piece of gear. I can't imagine selling the Casablanca and then buying the RS20i and then learning how to use that one. I spent some time just cruising that thread and it does seem like a very difficult machine to setup. I don't know how hard the Casablanca was but at least at this point, you know how to do it. If you really want Dirac, I would probably save up and upgrade the Dacs so you can do it. But I would only do that after you get your projector and hopefully get a demo of Dirac so you can really hear what it's like.

I don't know anything about that external EQ. If you did that then I would definitely hire someone like Kieth Yates comes to mind. I don't know who else could do that. I think the external EQ would need to be professionally done TBH.
post #2923 of 3159
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

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The mighty Wabo!!!! Much to the dismay of my best man and the other groomsmen, I had no bachelor party. Tried as they did to convince me to do something "bachelor party-esque," the night before the wedding, I ate my favorite dish while listening to my favorite music tracks of all time, all while reflecting on my life as it has been, while planning life as it will be.

Hey there, B².

Of all the home theaters, in all the towns, in all the world, she walks into mine. For you Casablanca owners. Get it?tongue.gif

Sounds like you had the best bachelor party of all. Well done.
post #2924 of 3159
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Looks like I already have a dillema: I currently own a Theta Casablanca 3HD that I want to upgrade to the Theta Casablanca 4 with Dirac room correction.  The only problem with this is the fact I recently found out that the Casablanca 4 would require me to upgrade two of my DACs. (technically, only one DAC upgrade is needed for the functional "4" upgrade, but logically two DACs since the one DAC replacement would leave me with higher quality subwoofer DACs than surround channel DACs).  This is an expensive proposition, which is leading me to consider two options:

1) Skip the Casablanca 4 upgrade and get a Xilica Processor (the EQ devices used by Legacy Audio for their Aeris model) to manually tune the room for results likely (hopefully) just as effective as Dirac; or
2) Sell the Theta Casablanca and put the proceeds toward a Datasat RS20i (which is also upgradable, already has Dirac and DTS Neo X, and will have Auro 3d, etc.)
3) Suck it up, upgrade the DACs, then upgrade the Casablanca to "4" status. 

This is a difficult decision because I absolutely love the Theta Casablanca 3HD and can't fathom sound getting any better.  From what I've read, the RS20i's DACs are technically inferior to the Thetas, so I don't want to make an upgrade to features while downgrading sound quality...but just because the RS20i's DACs are technically inferior (marginally, from what I've read), does it mean I'll actually hear enough of a difference to care?

Stop.. I think you are not thinking straight.
1. Room correction via DSP should be an after thought especially when you can build a room from scratch for home theater use. With proper design and planning and use of traps and diffusers, EQ should be used sparingly.
2. Neo X, Auro 3d, Atmos, etc. think about this, how many 7.1 blu-ray disc are being released compared to 5.1? Not a lot. 7.1 has been out of years, yet its penetration in the home is still limited. Don't get caught up the these surround technology which are really for Commercial theater use and most like not see the light of day in the home.

I say get your theater up and running first with what you have. You may not have to do any upgrades to the 3HD.
Spend your money on a high quality AT screen and projector (4K).
post #2925 of 3159
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

Hey Matt. First off, is the Dirac software you buy and put on a server different from what comes on these HT products? Also, there is a point where you upgrade just for the sake of upgrading. That is when you need to take a step back. I am sure that the Casablanca that you have is an outstanding piece of gear. I can't imagine selling the Casablanca and then buying the RS20i and then learning how to use that one. I spent some time just cruising that thread and it does seem like a very difficult machine to setup. I don't know how hard the Casablanca was but at least at this point, you know how to do it. If you really want Dirac, I would probably save up and upgrade the Dacs so you can do it. But I would only do that after you get your projector and hopefully get a demo of Dirac so you can really hear what it's like.

I don't know anything about that external EQ. If you did that then I would definitely hire someone like Kieth Yates comes to mind. I don't know who else could do that. I think the external EQ would need to be professionally done TBH.

Hey Mike, after making this post, I spoke to someone who heard both the Theta CB4 and the RS20i at CES and we talked for an hour on the differences between the two. Bottom line is, I'm going to keep the Theta and upgrade it to CB4 status. The Theta is more technically accurate, sonically, while the RS20i features, while vast, don't really justify the extra $ I'd have to pay...especially when the sound wouldn't be as good as the Theta.

Dennis know how to program the Xilica processors btw. I can't even fathom how to even begin such a fine-tuming process.

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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

Hey there, B².

Of all the home theaters, in all the towns, in all the world, she walks into mine. For you Casablanca owners. Get it?tongue.gif

Sounds like you had the best bachelor party of all. Well done.

Lol, interestingly, I've never seen the movie "Casablanca." (lol--I know, I know). Ah yes indeed, 'twas the best one I could have imagined!
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Originally Posted by kevon27 View Post

Stop.. I think you are not thinking straight.
1. Room correction via DSP should be an after thought especially when you can build a room from scratch for home theater use. With proper design and planning and use of traps and diffusers, EQ should be used sparingly.
2. Neo X, Auro 3d, Atmos, etc. think about this, how many 7.1 blu-ray disc are being released compared to 5.1? Not a lot. 7.1 has been out of years, yet its penetration in the home is still limited. Don't get caught up the these surround technology which are really for Commercial theater use and most like not see the light of day in the home.

I say get your theater up and running first with what you have. You may not have to do any upgrades to the 3HD.
Spend your money on a high quality AT screen and projector (4K).

Kevon, you are right on all counts and I definitely appreciate the input. Building the room to sound great is much more of a priority than enabling EQ. I had the Tneta CB3 boxed up and was supposed to send it in before the wedding; however, there's Ben some kind of delay, so Friday, I took it back out of its box, hooked It up again, and did some demos..lithos time with my new Submersive HP's, and you know what? This Theta/Triad/Seaton combo blew my mind so much that I'm considering skipping the CB4 upgrade altogether. As long as my next room is designed righ, acoustically (thinking about getting a visacoustic model done), then--as you said--EQ should be an afterthought.
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

then--as you said--EQ should be an afterthought.

Let me share a bit of a different perspective. I have a very good friend who has the very best room I have ever heard/seen. A complete room within a room, designed and built by some of the very best room acousticians you can imagine. Without room correction, it sound incredible. But with it (Dirac), the sonics advance many steps. It's your room and your money, but in my opinion (and over 20 years of experience with many room correction products), digital room correction is more than an afterthought. In my previous room, the bass FR did not change much with DRC but bass ringing was greatly reduced with room correction (in that case, Audyssey)

One more thing. I don't care how good the room is, without DRC, the chance of having the surround speakers FR match the fronts is slim. DRC will make all speakers have similar FR and greatly enhance the envelopment experience.

The good news on keeping the Theta iswhen budget allows, you can have the best of all worlds.
Edited by audioguy - 1/26/14 at 11:08am
post #2927 of 3159
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raAyF5ksbkk
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Originally Posted by audioguy View Post

Let me share a bit of a different perspective. I have a very good friend who has the very best room I have ever heard/seen. A complete room within a room, designed and built by some of the very best room acousticians you can imagine. Without room correction, it sound incredible. But with it (Dirac), the sonics advance many steps. It's your room and your money, but in my opinion (and over 20 years of experience with many room correction products), digital room correction is more than an afterthought. In my previous room, the bass FR did not change much with DRC but bass ringing was greatly reduced with room correction (in that case, Audyssey)

One more thing. I don't care how good the room is, without DRC, the chance of having the surround speakers FR match the fronts is slim. DRC will make all speakers have similar FR and greatly enhance the envelopment experience.

The good news on keeping the Theta iswhen budget allows, you can have the best of all worlds.
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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Hey Mike, after making this post, I spoke to someone who heard both the Theta CB4 and the RS20i at CES and we talked for an hour on the differences between the two. Bottom line is, I'm going to keep the Theta and upgrade it to CB4 status. The Theta is more technically accurate, sonically, while the RS20i features, while vast, don't really justify the extra $ I'd have to pay...especially when the sound wouldn't be as good as the Theta.

Dennis know how to program the Xilica processors btw. I can't even fathom how to even begin such a fine-tuming process.
TBH, I am glad to hear that you will stick with the Casablanca. Although I am not familiar with that Xilica processor, I did look it up quickly and it does look like a cool piece of gear. I have seen other high end systems with external processors or EQ's so I am sure your system once fully setup will be fantastic. Looking forward to seeing the room take shape.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by audioguy View Post


Let me share a bit of a different perspective. I have a very good friend who has the very best room I have ever heard/seen. A complete room within a room, designed and built by some of the very best room acousticians you can imagine. Without room correction, it sound incredible. But with it (Dirac), the sonics advance many steps. It's your room and your money, but in my opinion (and over 20 years of experience with many room correction products), digital room correction is more than an afterthought. In my previous room, the bass FR did not change much with DRC but bass ringing was greatly reduced with room correction (in that case, Audyssey)

One more thing. I don't care how good the room is, without DRC, the chance of having the surround speakers FR match the fronts is slim. DRC will make all speakers have similar FR and greatly enhance the envelopment experience.

The good news on keeping the Theta iswhen budget allows, you can have the best of all worlds.

I probably should not have used the word “afterthought” as I will need some level of correction—particularly since I’ll be using an AT screen.  What I want to do is treat the room so well, that I get uncorrected measurements that rival those of some corrected rooms.  Once that foundation is laid, I can apply Room EQ (hopefully Dirac) as necessary!

 

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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post


TBH, I am glad to hear that you will stick with the Casablanca. Although I am not familiar with that Xilica processor, I did look it up quickly and it does look like a cool piece of gear. I have seen other high end systems with external processors or EQ's so I am sure your system once fully setup will be fantastic. Looking forward to seeing the room take shape.

The xilica is pretty cool. it allows for EQ in real-time, as you listen.  I haven't heard it in person, but I've heard a very close competitor that made a device that did the exact same thing.  I'll be skipping the Xilica and getting the Casablanca 4 Upgrade though--I'm just waiting for an update on the Casablancea IV delay.  There are a few out in the wild, but regular production hasn't taken place yet (which I don't mind; I'd rather wait a little bit and get done right, than to be sending my unit in for bug fixes in a couple of months.

 

BTW--last night, the wife thought someone was in our house as we watched The Hurt Locker.  The imaging just in the front soundstage of a living room with lots of boxes in it (prepping to move) was outstanding.  I can't wait to get the system up and running. I need to secure four InWall Triad Gold LCRs to round out the surround channels in the theater.

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Hey I'm late to the party. Congrats Matt, I wish you and the misses the best! Enjoy the audio system now because it's all down hill from here lol. tongue.gif
post #2931 of 3159
Hey brolic, just want to add a little more confusion to your decision making..
Skip the Casablanca 4 and go with ADA Cinema Reference Mach and trinnov
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Hey, why waist money on the Theta when you are going to be using it for Home theater processing and you'll have the speakers behind the screen? You could go with a cheaper but damn good option like the Anthem D2v 3D


The Anthem room correction is highly respected

Brolic, you should think doing a separate setup for 2 channel listening.
You can do the Legacy AERIS with the Theta Generation VIII Series 3 pre/amp dac and Citadel 1.5 monoblocks.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by kevon27 View Post

Hey brolic, just want to add a little more confusion to your decision making..
Skip the Casablanca 4 and go with ADA Cinema Reference Mach and trinnov

Ha!  dude, I cannot--now, or ever--afford the ADA Reference.  If I remember correctly, that's a $40k machine.

 

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Originally Posted by kevon27 View Post

Hey, why waist money on the Theta when you are going to be using it for Home theater processing and you'll have the speakers behind the screen? You could go with a cheaper but damn good option like the Anthem D2v 3D


The Anthem room correction is highly respected

Brolic, you should think doing a separate setup for 2 channel listening.
You can do the Legacy AERIS with the Theta Generation VIII Series 3 pre/amp dac and Citadel 1.5 monoblocks.

Let me say that in my personal opinion, I believe the Theta Casablanca is the better processor.  ARC is definitely respected, but based on my research the countless thread pages I've read on both devices (i very carefully considered the Anthem as well), I'm willing to bet Dirac can at least match (if not exceed) the capabilities of ARC.  Perhaps Audioguy (Chuck) can weigh in here, as he uses Dirac and perhaps he's used ARC in the past, although I don't know for sure.

 

I'll be honest--I think the Theta Gen VIII, at only two channels, is a huge waste of money misallocation of resources.  I'm sure folks who own it (or can afford it--I know I can't,) might feel differently.  I can think of a few better ways to spend $13k....like a Trinnov MC for re-mapping, but that's skewed toward my priorities.

 

Ah, the Aeris--that's a possibility, technically speaking--but timeline wise, we'd be talking 2015 unless I sold my Triad Platinums, which I don't want to do.  If i did go the Aeris route, Honestly, I'd probably use an XLR splitter on the Right and left outputs from the Theta, run to a different room.  I use iRule RS-232 over my home network to control the Theta, so it wouldn't matter which room it's in.

 

...BUT...and this is a big one.....the question looms--should the funds that would go to an Aeris go into the theater instead?  I mean, we're talking a Sony 1100ES for a few thousand more, and I already have great speakers.

 

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Originally Posted by pcweber111 View Post

Hey I'm late to the party. Congrats Matt, I wish you and the misses the best! Enjoy the audio system now because it's all down hill from here lol. tongue.gif

Thanks buddy!  No no no...'tis all uphill from here!!!  The Mrs. is on board with this hobby!!!  do you know what she told me the other day?  My darling wife said: "I can't wait for your theater to be finished so you can have your AVS buddies over.  The ones I've met so far are awesome!"

 

What a great gal. :D

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Got you on the CB4 upgrade. Having two separate rooms is idea for HT and 2ch listening. But, I am of the opinion that if done right, you can do both in one room. In Craig's room it sounds great. He likes to listen to his music in his MC modes but I twisted his arm and the Triad Plats + SubMerives by themselves really sounded great. He has a fantastic center sound stage. I also know that I shouldn't toot my own horn but 2ch in my room also sounds very good. I am really impressed sometimes at the sound stage I get even in my small room.

Now of course if you want, or can do 2 rooms, by all means do it. As I said, many people say it's the way to go. But I know of a few really high end systems on Agon that are probably used for both so as I said, it can be done. You really seem to have your heart set on that Sony projector. If so, then that's what I would do. That way you have no "what if" in your head and 2ch will still sound great with that processor and speakers. I don't know if you are having you new room professionally designed but with a pre-amp as advanced as the CB4, have you thought about an outsider who specializes in calibration to come and "tune" your room? In your video you posted on the CBIII you seem to have done a very nice job on your own. But with something that complex, maybe a "pro" would be worth looking into. Some one with all the gear needed to do the measurements and set the crossovers and distances just right? Or is the new RC in the CB4 good enough to where you think you could do it on your own. I am just asking smile.gif. Your gear is at the apex and I only want you to get the best out of it? Is this a professionally designed room? Or are you doing all of the work yourself.

Anyway, whatever you decide, I can't wait to see the finished product.
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Got you on the CB4 upgrade. Having two separate rooms is idea for HT and 2ch listening. But, I am of the opinion that if done right, you can do both in one room. In Craig's room it sounds great. He likes to listen to his music in his MC modes but I twisted his arm and the Triad Plats + SubMerives by themselves really sounded great. He has a fantastic center sound stage. I also know that I shouldn't toot my own horn but 2ch in my room also sounds very good. I am really impressed sometimes at the sound stage I get even in my small room.

Now of course if you want, or can do 2 rooms, by all means do it. As I said, many people say it's the way to go. But I know of a few really high end systems on Agon that are probably used for both so as I said, it can be done. You really seem to have your heart set on that Sony projector. If so, then that's what I would do. That way you have no "what if" in your head and 2ch will still sound great with that processor and speakers. I don't know if you are having you new room professionally designed but with a pre-amp as advanced as the CB4, have you thought about an outsider who specializes in calibration to come and "tune" your room? In your video you posted on the CBIII you seem to have done a very nice job on your own. But with something that complex, maybe a "pro" would be worth looking into. Some one with all the gear needed to do the measurements and set the crossovers and distances just right? Or is the new RC in the CB4 good enough to where you think you could do it on your own. I am just asking smile.gif. Your gear is at the apex and I only want you to get the best out of it? Is this a professionally designed room? Or are you doing all of the work yourself.

Anyway, whatever you decide, I can't wait to see the finished product.

I’m going to do everything in my power to fit it all in one room. The Platinums are superb for both music and movies.  My heart isn’t totally set on the Sony 4k’s anymore—the fact that the UHD specification hasn’t been finalized (4:4:4 anyone?) means I won’t mind waiting for this years models.  That being said, I care more about audio than video (although video is VERY important as well) so if I do find the theater ready as early as I hope it will be, and find myself with enough left over for the Sony 600ES, then even without the 4:4:4 capability, I’ll definitely be scooping one up. But, if theater construction gets delayed longer than I’d like—then I’ll wait for CEDIA this year.   I’m ready to get the room done.

 

I do plan on having a professional do some level of design.  I’m going to get an acoustical model cone by a professional company (probably Visacoustic, based on positive remarks from Kris Deering and Frohlich), and will take that model either to them or another professional treatment organization so I get perfect positioning.  Dirac is very highly regarded in the room correction circles and is one of those things that is best for me to learn myself since I tweak and change things all the time.  I have XTZ Room Analyzer II Pro and will be doing real time measurements running consistently in the background as I run and configure Dirac, as a check & balance for fine-tuning.

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That all sounds good. If you can wait on the 4k stuff, and you mentioned that you care a little more about audio, then I would focus on audio. I give you, and Craig, and Dennis a lot of Credit for having the bravery and ability to setup systems that use EQ systems on your own. There is no way I have that much confidence redface.gif. I am sure Dirac is a great product. I am not one who likes to mess with stuff. Once it is set, I just want to forget about it. It sounds like you are doing some good planing.
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That all sounds good. If you can wait on the 4k stuff, and you mentioned that you care a little more about audio, then I would focus on audio. I give you, and Craig, and Dennis a lot of Credit for having the bravery and ability to setup systems that use EQ systems on your own. There is no way I have that much confidence redface.gif. I am sure Dirac is a great product. I am not one who likes to mess with stuff. Once it is set, I just want to forget about it. It sounds like you are doing some good planing.

Yeah man, audio is definitely the main focus right now.  In an interesting turn of events, I may be able to get my hands on a demo DP Titan Reference for the price of a Sony 600ES.  Considering the lack of UHD spec finalization, I may need to jump on that opportunity so UHD may be off in the horizon for me. I used to think of myself as a “set-it-and-forget-it” guy, but I’m always changing things and I realized that I’m a tweaker!

 

BTW, have all your Jriver woes been solved?

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Yeah man, audio is definitely the main focus right now.  In an interesting turn of events, I may be able to get my hands on a demo DP Titan Reference for the price of a Sony 600ES.  Considering the lack of UHD spec finalization, I may need to jump on that opportunity so UHD may be off in the horizon for me. I used to think of myself as a “set-it-and-forget-it” guy, but I’m always changing things and I realized that I’m a tweaker!

BTW, have all your Jriver woes been solved?
I don't know much about the Titan brand but I have seen it talked about. It seems like a mighty fine projector. I think that would vault you into reference video for sure. As far as my Jriver woes, I thought they were fixed but not as much as I had hoped. I watched the intro to The Day After Tomorrow which is a DVD rip. Wow did that intro look really bad. Very choppy. It seemed to catch up and get better as the intro moved along and then it was somewhat O.K. But when it switched scenes it happened a bit again. Some movies look better then others for some reason. Once it has time to "settle" it gets better but then at some points it is very noticeable. There is nothing more I can do and I really really don't want to buy every thing over again so I think I will just live with it. It ends up being maybe about 100 dvd's I am putting on and then the rest are going to be all BR. I know if Craig or you or Dennis were to try and live with it, it would be impossible for you guys to do so. But I am just going to deal with it and hope that it's not horrible on every single DVD I put on. I mean, some do look better then others but you can still see the judder. Oh well. There is nothing I can do about it. I think I will just get used to it. I have limitations on my video like a small screen so this is just one more.

Anyway, enough of my complaining. I hope you get your system up and running and looking great. I am sure it will.
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I absolutely love the Theta Casablanca 3HD and can't fathom sound getting any better.  From what I've read, the RS20i's DACs are technically inferior to the Thetas, so I don't want to make an upgrade to features while downgrading sound quality...but just because the RS20i's DACs are technically inferior (marginally, from what I've read), does it mean I'll actually hear enough of a difference to care?


Such a tuff path to take smile.gif . IMHO and from a $'s stand point I say stick with the Theta as you seem to be very happy with it. You can read that the RS20i's has better dac's but you would only be the one to know wink.gif . I say if you could request to demo one for a few days from your dealer before plunging and selling off the Theta then try it before you commit (if you can) smile.gif

BTW.... congrats on being hitched, your wedding pictures are awesome!
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I don't know much about the Titan brand but I have seen it talked about. It seems like a mighty fine projector. I think that would vault you into reference video for sure. As far as my Jriver woes, I thought they were fixed but not as much as I had hoped. I watched the intro to The Day After Tomorrow which is a DVD rip. Wow did that intro look really bad. Very choppy. It seemed to catch up and get better as the intro moved along and then it was somewhat O.K. But when it switched scenes it happened a bit again. Some movies look better then others for some reason. Once it has time to "settle" it gets better but then at some points it is very noticeable. There is nothing more I can do and I really really don't want to buy every thing over again so I think I will just live with it. It ends up being maybe about 100 dvd's I am putting on and then the rest are going to be all BR. I know if Craig or you or Dennis were to try and live with it, it would be impossible for you guys to do so. But I am just going to deal with it and hope that it's not horrible on every single DVD I put on. I mean, some do look better then others but you can still see the judder. Oh well. There is nothing I can do about it. I think I will just get used to it. I have limitations on my video like a small screen so this is just one more.

Anyway, enough of my complaining. I hope you get your system up and running and looking great. I am sure it will.

the titan line is made my a company called Digital Projection; the Titan Reference is a monster projector. They make some BOSS projectors man. This one I'm looking at was used in Sorry about the DVDs--although, given that DVD is about to be two formats behind, it's probably best to slowly move away from the DVDs and focus solely on Blu Rays.

 

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Such a tuff path to take smile.gif . IMHO and from a $'s stand point I say stick with the Theta as you seem to be very happy with it. You can read that the RS20i's has better dac's but you would only be the one to know wink.gif . I say if you could request to demo one for a few days from your dealer before plunging and selling off the Theta then try it before you commit (if you can) smile.gif

BTW.... congrats on being hitched, your wedding pictures are awesome!

Thanks for the input and the congrats are much appreciated :-)  'tis a wonderful time in the Brolic household! I'm definitely keeping the Theta.  It's just too great of a processor to let go of.  The RS20i's DACs are actually a hair less potent than the Theta's DACs.  I demoed the RS20i and was very impressed with what it did with the Seaton Catalysts, but I believe the Theta is the better machine.

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