AVS › AVS Forum › Other Areas of Interest › What's Your System Configuration › BrolicBeast's Living Room Theater
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

BrolicBeast's Living Room Theater - Page 23

post #661 of 1869
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hometheatergeek View Post

Good afternoon Matt. So are you happy with the Darbeeization of your system?

Greeting Al! Yes indeed! This things works its magic in a subtle, yet noticable way! At $269, the value is immense. Even when the price increases to $350 this September, it will STILL be a bargain.
post #662 of 1869
Thread Starter 
Video of my Darbee Darblet Impressions. (Must be watched in HD for the effect to be noticeable.) I love this thing!!! biggrin.gif
post #663 of 1869
Impressive. Does it have any negative or at least unintended effects on the image?
post #664 of 1869
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pcweber111 View Post

Impressive. Does it have any negative or at least unintended effects on the image?

Only past the 55% mark. Once you hit 57, 58, 59, and 60, mild artifacts begin to appear. Keep it under 55%, and you're pretty much home free. cool.gif
post #665 of 1869
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Only past the 55% mark. Once you hit 57, 58, 59, and 60, mild artifacts begin to appear. Keep it under 55%, and you're pretty much home free. cool.gif

Does your goes up 1% increments? Because mine goes up every 5%
post #666 of 1869
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Does your goes up 1% increments? Because mine goes up every 5%

Yes indeed, the 5% increments are the default, but any unit shipped within the last few weeks (or months--can't remember) can turn on the 1% increments in the advanced settings menu. I turned on the 1% increments for testing, but turned it off once I found my % of choice.
post #667 of 1869
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Only past the 55% mark. Once you hit 57, 58, 59, and 60, mild artifacts begin to appear. Keep it under 55%, and you're pretty much home free. cool.gif

Though I will mention some old films have scenes that have noise/ grain (whaterever you want to call it ) the darbee tends to enhance that. But with todays current films the darbee is a gem.
post #668 of 1869
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Though I will mention some old films have scenes that have noise/ grain (whaterever you want to call it ) the darbee tends to enhance that. But with todays current films the darbee is a gem.

Thanks for the heads up! I haven't popped in any older films yet, though I'll probably pick up the Predator series (excluding the more recent abominations) tomorrow. I programmed a "Darbee On/Off" button on my remote's touch screen just for such times when the artifacts in a scene are too distracting. I hope I never have to use it though biggrin.gif
post #669 of 1869
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Thanks for the heads up! I haven't popped in any older films yet, though I'll probably pick up the Predator series (excluding the more recent abominations) tomorrow. I programmed a "Darbee On/Off" button on my remote's touch screen just for such times when the artifacts in a scene are too distracting. I hope I never have to use it though biggrin.gif

Youll end up leaving it. It happens in particular scenes that dont last long. Dont know why they miss them when they restore othem or whatever they do.
post #670 of 1869
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Yes indeed, the 5% increments are the default, but any unit shipped within the last few weeks (or months--can't remember) can turn on the 1% increments in the advanced settings menu. I turned on the 1% increments for testing, but turned it off once I found my % of choice.

Thanks for that Matt, mine was from the new bunch. Im going to check that tonight. Iron Man 2 tonight:)
post #671 of 1869
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Thanks for that Matt, mine was from the new bunch. Im going to check that tonight. Iron Man 2 tonight:)

No Problem Frank. Ahhhh, yes--The a/v feast that is Iron Man 2! How did your wife like the first Iron Man?
post #672 of 1869
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

No Problem Frank. Ahhhh, yes--The a/v feast that is Iron Man 2! How did your wife like the first Iron Man?

I'm down at 47% now. Thanks for that. My wife liked it but I think she enjoys the twilight saga more.
post #673 of 1869
Thread Starter 
Guys, after reading about it hundreds of times in various threads, I finally pulled my Left and Right towars about a foot away from the wall, and on-my-goodness, I don't understand how such a small change can make such a huge difference. The soundstage has opened up significantly and I'm getting silky-smooth imaging. This is just the change I needed to carry me over until my upgrade. Does anybody know the physics behind this, beyond giving the ports breathing room?
post #674 of 1869
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Guys, after reading about it hundreds of times in various threads, I finally pulled my Left and Right towars about a foot away from the wall, and on-my-goodness, I don't understand how such a small change can make such a huge difference. The soundstage has opened up significantly and I'm getting silky-smooth imaging. This is just the change I needed to carry me over until my upgrade. Does anybody know the physics behind this, beyond giving the ports breathing room?

It's amazing how moving speakers can make a difference. I remember with our HAA calibrator he was using RTA equipment and you could see by moving the subs the changes in the graph. It's good to see the move has opened your soundstage smile.gif
post #675 of 1869
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Guys, after reading about it hundreds of times in various threads, I finally pulled my Left and Right towars about a foot away from the wall, and on-my-goodness, I don't understand how such a small change can make such a huge difference. The soundstage has opened up significantly and I'm getting silky-smooth imaging. This is just the change I needed to carry me over until my upgrade. Does anybody know the physics behind this, beyond giving the ports breathing room?
Tell me about it. When I had my 927's I had them way back in the corner with a wall unit between them. I was always wondering why I did not have the great center sound stage. I thought it was my equipment. Then I moved them out so there was nothing in between them. Bam. my sound stage suddenly appeared. I had a great center image where the music seemed to be coming from. Then when I bought my 1027's. I was amazed at how just moving them inches made such a big difference. I think it has to do with the boundary reflections coming off of the speaker and interacting with the side wall or anything that is right next to it. Whenever I notice that someone has their speakers in that kind of position, I do my best to try and convince them to move their speakers so that nothing is in between them and that they have some room from the side wall. They are always pleased with the results. Glad you figured this out also.
post #676 of 1869
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Guys, after reading about it hundreds of times in various threads, I finally pulled my Left and Right towars about a foot away from the wall, and on-my-goodness, I don't understand how such a small change can make such a huge difference. The soundstage has opened up significantly and I'm getting silky-smooth imaging. This is just the change I needed to carry me over until my upgrade. Does anybody know the physics behind this, beyond giving the ports breathing room?

I did the same thing last evening with my RF-7II's and it definitely showed up on my settings and to my ears.. We ran Audyssey again and it put a smile on my face...
post #677 of 1869
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Does anybody know the physics behind this, beyond giving the ports breathing room?

I'll take a stab at this, it's entirely possible I may overlook something but here goes;
The reduction of early, and very early reflections allows less destructive interference, thus improving imaging and transient detail. Sound has size, how directional a speaker is determined by both waveguides/horns, and the relationship of wavelength size to cone size. If a wavelength is larger than the cone, the energy is distributed in all directions. This radiated acoustic energy immediately encounters speaker rough edges, grills, equipment cabinetry, walls and adjacent boundaries. This energy then reflects and re-joins the direct energy however it's smeared in the time domain. If this time difference isn't large enough, the hearing mechanism fuses the two as one, yet the details are smeared. If the time is great enough, we discern it as a separately occurring event. If the acoustic conditions allow, the theoretical ideal for many is precise image specificity (reflection free zone), yet retain a nice sense of spaciousness (proper later lateral returns to the LP).

Also, the reflected energy is often quite distorted in the frequency domain. This is caused by poor off axis frequency response and/or lack of controlled directivity.

The significance of controlling the early, and very early reflections, the addressing of first reflection points, and the goal to retain adequate spaciousness, really can't be over-stated. Even modest systems well sorted out in that regard can be solid performers.

Now,...easier said than done... eek.gif
post #678 of 1869
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Franin View Post

It's amazing how moving speakers can make a difference. I remember with our HAA calibrator he was using RTA equipment and you could see by moving the subs the changes in the graph. It's good to see the move has opened your soundstage smile.gif

Frank, one look at your awesome, treated room, and it LOOKS calibrated!!!! lol....those treatments are carefully placed and I know your speakers were too. I'm close to pulling the trigger on some GIK TriTrap corner bass traps....I need SOME kind of treatment in my room. Especially after Jeff's experience with the treatments at Audioguy's place.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

Tell me about it. When I had my 927's I had them way back in the corner with a wall unit between them. I was always wondering why I did not have the great center sound stage. I thought it was my equipment. Then I moved them out so there was nothing in between them. Bam. my sound stage suddenly appeared. I had a great center image where the music seemed to be coming from. Then when I bought my 1027's. I was amazed at how just moving them inches made such a big difference. I think it has to do with the boundary reflections coming off of the speaker and interacting with the side wall or anything that is right next to it. Whenever I notice that someone has their speakers in that kind of position, I do my best to try and convince them to move their speakers so that nothing is in between them and that they have some room from the side wall. They are always pleased with the results. Glad you figured this out also.

That is a very interesting notion, Mike. I've never thought of a wall unit as a hindrance to sound. I have so much to learn, when it comes to reflections and defeating them....I don't even know where to start. I'm afraid to start measuring, because a guy who works on my floor spent months measuring and treating before defeating his peaks and nulls, and all this time, he wasn't able to enjoy the music. I fear that inability to enjoy music, once I'm aware of how imperfectly my in-room measurements are.
Quote:
Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

I did the same thing last evening with my RF-7II's and it definitely showed up on my settings and to my ears.. We ran Audyssey again and it put a smile on my face...

Hey Jeff! You're also using Klipsch, so you experienced a change similar to what I did--It was an ear-opener, wasn't it? Getting Audyssey XT32 done with the speakers away from the walls has me listening to music I haven't listened to in a while (not to mention, it has me buying more music from HDtracks.com [GO FLAC!!!!])
Quote:
Originally Posted by FOH View Post

I'll take a stab at this, it's entirely possible I may overlook something but here goes;
The reduction of early, and very early reflections allows less destructive interference, thus improving imaging and transient detail. Sound has size, how directional a speaker is determined by both waveguides/horns, and the relationship of wavelength size to cone size. If a wavelength is larger than the cone, the energy is distributed in all directions. This radiated acoustic energy immediately encounters speaker rough edges, grills, equipment cabinetry, walls and adjacent boundaries. This energy then reflects and re-joins the direct energy however it's smeared in the time domain. If this time difference isn't large enough, the hearing mechanism fuses the two as one, yet the details are smeared. If the time is great enough, we discern it as a separately occurring event. If the acoustic conditions allow, the theoretical ideal for many is precise image specificity (reflection free zone), yet retain a nice sense of spaciousness (proper later lateral returns to the LP).
Also, the reflected energy is often quite distorted in the frequency domain. This is caused by poor off axis frequency response and/or lack of controlled directivity.
The significance of controlling the early, and very early reflections, the addressing of first reflection points, and the goal to retain adequate spaciousness, really can't be over-stated. Even modest systems well sorted out in that regard can be solid performers.
Now,...easier said than done... eek.gif

Hey Kevin, thanks for this explanation. This actually helps me understand the "why" behind the "what." Now it make sense why folks put sound absorption panels behind their mains AND at the side reflective points (using a mirror trick, I believe?)--the panels prevent (or at least mitigate the effects of) the distorted energy in the initial reflections at the first and second order. I've noticed your expertise on this and the Seaton forums and usually watch the sky as your notional contributions fly way over my head! lol. Thanks for the input!
post #679 of 1869
Besides just moving my speakers out, it was Mark Seaton who said that just having a wall unit was a problem. I mean mine was very big. So after I got rid of it and bought more appropriate equipment racks I again noticed a difference. But it was also Mark who told me the importance of a properly treated room. This stuff was way over my head as well. But in my search to get treatments I found GIK. They were very helpful in putting together a package that would work for my room. Getting the wall unit out and treating the room the right way made huge changes in regards to the SQ in my room. Plus proper speaker placement also made a pretty noticeable change in my room.

If you do measure your room and find the areas that need work that's a good thing. Once you take care of those issues you will hear your system like you never heard it before. Trust me. I am luck though. I had from Craig John in measuring my room and setting up my room eq. It looks like from your pictures that you don't have any treatments at all. That means that in addition to hearing your speakers, you are also hearing the sound just bounce all over the room. I don't know if there are other circumstances (WAF biggrin.gif), but I would seriously do my best to try and treat that room. It will make a huge difference and you will be able to her what your system really sounds like. Don't worry about having it measure badly. Mine was bad to begin with but I still enjoyed it. But after talking to everyone I just knew that I would get it treated to make it sound better. Now, fully treated and EQ'ed, it sounds really good. I know it takes time but you have really good gear. Your videos prove that. If I were you, I would try and get the most of it. Like I said, Mark S helped me out on what to do but also the guys at GIK treatments also helped me out a lot. If I were you I would go to their site, and contact them. You can send them details about your room and pictures. They will then come back with a plan. Trust me when I say that they are honest and won't over sell you. I was a very difficult customer tongue.gif. But they stuck with me until we worked out a package that fit my needs. I would also try and take some measurements before treatments so you have a base line. Trust me, you won't think your system is all of a sudden horrible. Because it is not.
BTW, here is the website for GIK.
http://www.gikacoustics.com/
post #680 of 1869
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

Besides just moving my speakers out, it was Mark Seaton who said that just having a wall unit was a problem. I mean mine was very big. So after I got rid of it and bought more appropriate equipment racks I again noticed a difference. But it was also Mark who told me the importance of a properly treated room. This stuff was way over my head as well. But in my search to get treatments I found GIK. They were very helpful in putting together a package that would work for my room. Getting the wall unit out and treating the room the right way made huge changes in regards to the SQ in my room. Plus proper speaker placement also made a pretty noticeable change in my room.
If you do measure your room and find the areas that need work that's a good thing. Once you take care of those issues you will hear your system like you never heard it before. Trust me. I am luck though. I had from Craig John in measuring my room and setting up my room eq. It looks like from your pictures that you don't have any treatments at all. That means that in addition to hearing your speakers, you are also hearing the sound just bounce all over the room. I don't know if there are other circumstances (WAF biggrin.gif), but I would seriously do my best to try and treat that room. It will make a huge difference and you will be able to her what your system really sounds like. Don't worry about having it measure badly. Mine was bad to begin with but I still enjoyed it. But after talking to everyone I just knew that I would get it treated to make it sound better. Now, fully treated and EQ'ed, it sounds really good. I know it takes time but you have really good gear. Your videos prove that. If I were you, I would try and get the most of it. Like I said, Mark S helped me out on what to do but also the guys at GIK treatments also helped me out a lot. If I were you I would go to their site, and contact them. You can send them details about your room and pictures. They will then come back with a plan. Trust me when I say that they are honest and won't over sell you. I was a very difficult customer tongue.gif. But they stuck with me until we worked out a package that fit my needs. I would also try and take some measurements before treatments so you have a base line. Trust me, you won't think your system is all of a sudden horrible. Because it is not.
BTW, here is the website for GIK.
http://www.gikacoustics.com/

I think if I am going to take the jump, it best be now. What gear/software do you use for measurement? I'm probably going to get some minor treatments (im very limited since sidewalls are difficult to treat due to a window on one side, and a thermostat on the other. I really do need to add something though!
post #681 of 1869
Thread Starter 
Just pulled the trigger on two GIK Tri-Traps. After treatment research, it appears that every room can benefit from these, so I'll insert them into my two front corners and go from there. A new world awaits! cool.gif
post #682 of 1869
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Just pulled the trigger on two GIK Tri-Traps. After treatment research, it appears that every room can benefit from these, so I'll insert them into my two front corners and go from there. A new world awaits! cool.gif

Its the best thing putting room treatments in, I learnt the hard way. If I knew back then what I knew now I would of saved heaps of $$$$. I thought it was all about the gear until it was really all about the room. Dont get me wrong its nice to have good gear, but I wish originally I did the room first. I guess its part of living. smile.gif
post #683 of 1869
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Just pulled the trigger on two GIK Tri-Traps. After treatment research, it appears that every room can benefit from these, so I'll insert them into my two front corners and go from there. A new world awaits! cool.gif

You have no idea the level of impact effective bass trapping , first and second reflection pannels can do! its profound to say the least . I recently added a GIK Monster bass trap to my rear corner to bring my Acoustic treatments to 95% complete, it replaced a 4inch 48x24 open back bass trap which I moved to directly behind the seating position to gauge the benefits of absorption or diffusion on the rear wall behind the seating position the 5% left over will be the addition of two GIK QRD's.

No going back now!
post #684 of 1869
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Just pulled the trigger on two GIK Tri-Traps. After treatment research, it appears that every room can benefit from these, so I'll insert them into my two front corners and go from there. A new world awaits! cool.gif
Congrats. Even two should make a difference. I was going to start with only 4 but I ended up with 8 total traps. That seemed to do the trick. My frequency response is good and RT time, Response Time, is very good also. That means that the sound starts and stops on a dime. Let me put it this way. Before I had any room treatments, but after I got rid of my wall unit, I always thought that when I listened to music it would "float" to the top right corner of the front of my room. After I put in my treatments, the sound stage suddenly snapped to the center of the room. I was quite surprised to be honest. Treatments were one of the last things I did as well but I know understand how important they are. Just do what you can. If you have a window, then I would suggest some heavy cloth like drapes. I have something like that on my window(I have a big one in my room) and I am sure it is better then just having the glass exposed. Don't forget the back wall and if you can, over your head. I was told that with my 8 ft ceiling traps over my head would be a big help. Just do what you can. Anything you do should be a benefit for you. In my small room, Bryan P of Gik just suggested I go with all bass traps and no diffusion.

Here is what I ended up getting. I bought 2 tri traps(custom height) and put them in my front corners. I bought two 242's and put them on my front wall. I bought 2 244's and put them on my back wall and I bought 2 244's and put them above my head. Just those 8 traps in my room made one of the biggest changes I have ever heard in my room(besides a good room eq). Plus, like I said, I have some very heavy velvet drapes on my window instead of just blinds. I am sure they are doing something. My room sounds so good now that I don't want to mess with it by adding more. I am not sure what more would get me to be honest. Just do what you can. Don't forget, for a little extra, GIK can make custom traps. So if you need an odd size, I would just ask them what they think.
post #685 of 1869
Hello BB.

It's been a long time since I posted in your thread. I hope this post finds you well.Although I post do not often post in AVS Forums, I do follow your thread. Your enthusiasm is so refreshing and I always smile when I see that you've discovered, uncovered or added something new to your setup!biggrin.gif

Congrats on the acquisition of the Darblet. I ordered mine a few days ago. Hopefully I'll have it sometime in Mid-September. It's good to know that you are happy with the degree of improvement produced by the DVP-5000. I hope I will get similar results on a measly little 60" plasma! redface.gif

Regarding your discovery of the dramatic changes that can be made with the slightest repositioning of your speakers, I can relate to what you're saying and experiencing. At one time, I had a wall full of components and racks that they sat upon. Understanding that I had limited space due to the width of my room, I pulled my RF-35's out forward of audio racks to get some semblance of improvement in the imaging. It did work some, but..... when I changed to a lowboy configuration which freed up a lot of area around the speakers, the sound was dramatically improved! Imaging was more precise, the soundstage was deeper and broader, not to mention, it looked better. I still experiment with placement, making minor adjustments here and there. Unfortunately, I do not have the luxury of Audyssey Auto-room correction programming, but I do have a Radio Shack SPL meter and my ears. wink.gif Room treatments and speaker isolation outriggers will stave off my desire to upgrade my aging speakers a while little longer. But even now, my system has never sounded better.
Below are images showing a progression in my system's design and configuration.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
31480.jpg
Speakers pulled forward, but still cramped against the side walls. Results: Imaging is decent but there's immediate reflection.

98534.jpg
Better equipment, improved sound quality, but speakers still confined. Results: The same immediate reflection.

101460.jpg
New lowboy stand and speakers moved in by a half foot or so, resulting in an immediate improvement in imaging and soundstage. But a mild echo can be heard. Most likely because of the new found freedom and open area and no and a lack of sound absorbing surfaces. in the room.

7810268170_e05255b126_b.jpg
A much cleaner front stage. When listening to 2 channel audio, I pull the speakers forward maybe 6 inches. During TV or movie viewing and push them back to where they are almost the same distance from the listening position as the center channel.

7810273512_9dc6125298_b.jpg
New furniture added to the room (sofa, pillows, area rug) allows more absorption of the high frequencies. The results: Unwanted echo pretty much eliminated. Further proof that in most cases, going with better source components/devices will usually render only minor improvements in audio quality. Other than changing speakers all together, properly positioned panels and traps, will have a bigger impact on overall sound quality.

Near future: Panels will be installed behind the towers on the front wall and in front of the towers place along the side walls. Traps will be positioned in the four corners of the room.

I'll let you know how the Darblet performs for me once it's integrated into the system.

Regards.
Edited by ldgibson76 - 8/22/12 at 7:32pm
post #686 of 1869
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys.....It's so encouraging to hear the real-world benefits of treatments. I've been through a plethora of reviews of different treatment gear, but such things mean nothing, when compared to the real world folks here at AVS--especially on this wysc thread!

Frank--I see extensive use of diffusors in your setup. I read that they truly can make a room sound nearly twice its size; have you found this to be true? I'm worried about diffusors because I won't be using a professional treatment firm until my next house, and I'm a bit weary of trying to gauge where to place the diffusors on my own.

AudioFan1--You've actually done something similar to what I've been contemplating for my rear wall--adding a monster bass trap in one corner. Is it OK to install treatments asymmetrically? One rear corner isn't an option, as it's very close to a door; however, the other rear corner is ready and willing.

Mike--Dude, you stacked the Tri-traps?? I wanted to do that, but mu "8-foot" ceilings are actually closer to 7'10" (How does that happen??) With the 4-foot height of one Tri-Trap, I thought the dream was dead. I think I shall take your advice and ask about custom heights for the second pair so they fit right on top. I'm getting excited biggrin.gif

Idgibson, the man, the myth, the legend!! Good to hear from you, man!!! you're going to love your Darblet once it arrives. It's amazing how lowering the aggregate rack height and adding the rug helped to eliminate the echo. We are both adding treatments to klipsch setups--I look forward to hearing you impressions of the treatments once you get them, as well as on the Darblet. One awesome machine!

Also, I'm quite excited, as my 2:35 aspect ratio 120" Stewart Studiotek 130 G3 (what a mouthful) has officially SHIPPED! Soon, I can slap a nice screen up between these speakers as my dedicated theater room (in progress pic below) nears completion :-)



There is, of course, plenty left to be done--I need a larger area rug and I'm getting rid of the furniture eventually. I'll also be replacing my sofa with Theater Seats. The Loveseat has already been thrown out.

BTW, Please excuse the grainy image--the room is so dark, I had to turn "exposure" up to 100% just to get the speakers that form the front soundstage visible! That little 12-inch sub in the corner is my placeholder sub (since I sold my SVS PB-13 Ultra to help fund the Seaton sub upgrades.) The subwoofer upgrades are finalized; they will be Two (2) Rosenut Seaton F2 HP subwoofers, the first of which will be ordered this weekend for sure. (already have the invoice :-) ) 5800 total watts and four 15-inch drivers? YES!!!!!!! cool.gif

Next up, the Rosenut Catalyst 12Cs!
post #687 of 1869
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Thanks guys.....It's so encouraging to hear the real-world benefits of treatments. I've been through a plethora of reviews of different treatment gear, but such things mean nothing, when compared to the real world folks here at AVS--especially on this wysc thread!
Frank--I see extensive use of diffusors in your setup. I read that they truly can make a room sound nearly twice its size; have you found this to be true? I'm worried about diffusors because I won't be using a professional treatment firm until my next house, and I'm a bit weary of trying to gauge where to place the diffusors on my own.
AudioFan1--You've actually done something similar to what I've been contemplating for my rear wall--adding a monster bass trap in one corner. Is it OK to install treatments asymmetrically? One rear corner isn't an option, as it's very close to a door; however, the other rear corner is ready and willing.
Mike--Dude, you stacked the Tri-traps?? I wanted to do that, but mu "8-foot" ceilings are actually closer to 7'10" (How does that happen??) With the 4-foot height of one Tri-Trap, I thought the dream was dead. I think I shall take your advice and ask about custom heights for the second pair so they fit right on top. I'm getting excited biggrin.gif
Idgibson, the man, the myth, the legend!! Good to hear from you, man!!! you're going to love your Darblet once it arrives. It's amazing how lowering the aggregate rack height and adding the rug helped to eliminate the echo. We are both adding treatments to klipsch setups--I look forward to hearing you impressions of the treatments once you get them, as well as on the Darblet. One awesome machine!

Also, I'm quite excited, as my 2:35 aspect ratio 120" Stewart Studiotek 130 G3 (what a mouthful) has officially SHIPPED! Soon, I can slap a nice screen up between these speakers as my dedicated theater room (in progress pic below) nears completion :-)

There is, of course, plenty left to be done--I need a larger area rug and I'm getting rid of the furniture eventually. I'll also be replacing my sofa with Theater Seats. The Loveseat has already been thrown out.
BTW, Please excuse the grainy image--the room is so dark, I had to turn "exposure" up to 100% just to get the speakers that form the front soundstage visible! That little 12-inch sub in the corner is my placeholder sub (since I sold my SVS PB-13 Ultra to help fund the Seaton sub upgrades.) The subwoofer upgrades are finalized; they will be Two (2) Rosenut Seaton F2 HP subwoofers, the first of which will be ordered this weekend for sure. (already have the invoice :-) ) 5800 total watts and four 15-inch drivers? YES!!!!!!! cool.gif
Next up, the Rosenut Catalyst 12Cs!

It reminds me of the opening shot on my thread. Suspense, drama...good! Now we all wait for the light! The grand revelation! BB's system in all its grandeur!

We'll be watching.
post #688 of 1869
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by prepress View Post

It reminds me of the opening shot on my thread. Suspense, drama...good! Now we all wait for the light! The grand revelation! BB's system in all its grandeur!
We'll be watching.

LOL.the light cometh soon!!
post #689 of 1869
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrolicBeast View Post

Thanks guys.....It's so encouraging to hear the real-world benefits of treatments. I've been through a plethora of reviews of different treatment gear, but such things mean nothing, when compared to the real world folks here at AVS--especially on this wysc thread!
Frank--I see extensive use of diffusors in your setup. I read that they truly can make a room sound nearly twice its size; have you found this to be true? I'm worried about diffusors because I won't be using a professional treatment firm until my next house, and I'm a bit weary of trying to gauge where to place the diffusors on my own.
AudioFan1--You've actually done something similar to what I've been contemplating for my rear wall--adding a monster bass trap in one corner. Is it OK to install treatments asymmetrically? One rear corner isn't an option, as it's very close to a door; however, the other rear corner is ready and willing.
Mike--Dude, you stacked the Tri-traps?? I wanted to do that, but mu "8-foot" ceilings are actually closer to 7'10" (How does that happen??) With the 4-foot height of one Tri-Trap, I thought the dream was dead. I think I shall take your advice and ask about custom heights for the second pair so they fit right on top. I'm getting excited biggrin.gif
Idgibson, the man, the myth, the legend!! Good to hear from you, man!!! you're going to love your Darblet once it arrives. It's amazing how lowering the aggregate rack height and adding the rug helped to eliminate the echo. We are both adding treatments to klipsch setups--I look forward to hearing you impressions of the treatments once you get them, as well as on the Darblet. One awesome machine!

Also, I'm quite excited, as my 2:35 aspect ratio 120" Stewart Studiotek 130 G3 (what a mouthful) has officially SHIPPED! Soon, I can slap a nice screen up between these speakers as my dedicated theater room (in progress pic below) nears completion :-)

There is, of course, plenty left to be done--I need a larger area rug and I'm getting rid of the furniture eventually. I'll also be replacing my sofa with Theater Seats. The Loveseat has already been thrown out.
BTW, Please excuse the grainy image--the room is so dark, I had to turn "exposure" up to 100% just to get the speakers that form the front soundstage visible! That little 12-inch sub in the corner is my placeholder sub (since I sold my SVS PB-13 Ultra to help fund the Seaton sub upgrades.) The subwoofer upgrades are finalized; they will be Two (2) Rosenut Seaton F2 HP subwoofers, the first of which will be ordered this weekend for sure. (already have the invoice :-) ) 5800 total watts and four 15-inch drivers? YES!!!!!!! cool.gif
Next up, the Rosenut Catalyst 12Cs!


Hey BB, things are looking good there! You described your rear wall ( double door way and one corner) as an almost identical situation as my own, I use my biggest baddest bass trap in the rear wall corner as it has the strongest bass pooling there which is now the GIK monster trap. I have two other 24 x 24 x 4 open back panels up front behind my mains, try one of the tri- traps there to gauge the benifts and add a third trap there later, the two up front is more than a great start!
post #690 of 1869
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Hey BB, things are looking good there! You described your rear wall ( double door way and one corner) as an almost identical situation as my own, I use my biggest baddest bass trap in the rear wall corner as it has the strongest bass pooling there which is now the GIK monster trap. I have two other 24 x 24 x 4 open back panels up front behind my mains, try one of the tri- traps there to gauge the benifts and add a third trap there later, the two up front is more than a great start!

Greetings! My rear wall is different from yours, but the treatment situation is the same, as I can't place treatments directly against the rear of the wall in a symmetrical manner. Glad to know I'm on the right track with the tri-traps. I may add two more of a custom height for stacking purposes. I may start measuring soon, which will probably force me to get GIK's entire inventory. lol
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
AVS › AVS Forum › Other Areas of Interest › What's Your System Configuration › BrolicBeast's Living Room Theater