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Originally Posted by MuaySteve View Post

I did mine with photoshop.

You can try a freeware program called GIMP.
Alright im definitely photoshop/gimp/image software handicapped. Every time I try to resize a pic the only options I have are pixel sizes how do I know its 24x36? And then how do I know the size of the black border I add around it? -thank you
post #362 of 1209
there should be an option in the GIMP image resize window to change it from pixels to inches

there is in photoshop its right next to where you input the numbers, its been a while since i used GIMP

see this link for help - one of the great things about gimp is there is most likely an online how to or video for pretty much everything in it

http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/11503.html
post #363 of 1209
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Originally Posted by Sibuna View Post

there should be an option in the GIMP image resize window to change it from pixels to inches

there is in photoshop its right next to where you input the numbers, its been a while since i used GIMP

see this link for help - one of the great things about gimp is there is most likely an online how to or video for pretty much everything in it

http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/11503.html
Alright I was making headway unit basically I realized I wasint. I cant even guarantee that I resized the image correctly I may have resized the canvas. My border appears to be 3D if you look at the corners and I have no idea how thick it is as my only option was pixels not inches it wouldnt give me the option to change it. I am trying to add 3 posters total the captain america, harry potter, and a james bond not pictured. What kind of advice can anyone throw at me I would appreciate any of it smile.gif

post #364 of 1209
On a topic related to DIY Custom Printed Movie Poster Acoustic Panels....

I received 2 fabric samples today from Spoonflower. They were the same 4x4 grid of 16 colors on an 8"x8" swatch. The colors were the ones from the full 1400 color, 1 yard color sample that you can buy, but that I wanted to see in a bigger size for my custom artwork piece. Anyway, I had one done on the tried and true "Kona Cotton" and the other was on their new Performance Knit that they were giving away free 8"x8" swatches of.

All I can say about the performance knit is WOW. Black is actually black. It is a finer thread material, but you can see through it *almost* as much as the Kona Cotton (maybe it is good to not be quite as see-through) and the "breathe test" seemed to pass VERY nicely.

Now my problem is that I was basing my color choices off of the little 1"x1" squares on the Kona Fabric, but I might be switching to the performance knit to get the much better colors.

Here are some side by side pics. Sorry, it is after midnight, I just got back from traveling to Los Angeles and Denver, and I am tired, so I just used my cell phone. I was just excited to share. These are un-edited.

Here was the image I sent with color codes (reduced a little for the forums)


Here is the fabric without flash: Kona Cotton on left, Performance Knit on right:


With flash:


And the left column of both fabrics side by side with no flash, this time the Performance Knit on the left, and the Kona Cotton on the right:



The images really don't do justice to the improved colors, but again, it was enough for me to watch to take the time to take photos, put them on the web, and make this post despite being tired.

The Kona Cotton is more "rigid" fabric than the Performance Knit., and the weave is more noticeable on the Kona. Again, that could be good or bad...

*****Another big difference is that the Kona Cotton comes in 42" width max, and their new Performance Knit comes in 58" widths! Nice! I also had them send me the fabric sample kit in case anyone wants me to try to assess their other fabrics.

Last detail, price... Kona lists at $18 a yard, and the Performance Knit at $24 a yard. There are discounts pretty quickly for making your own fabric that drop both of those. If you look at square inches, the Performance Knit is actually cheaper. (Kona is 42"x36" for one yard, or 1512 square inches at $18 or $0.0119 per sq. inch, and the Performance Knit is 58"x36" for one yard, or 2088 sq. inches at $24 or $0.0115 per sq. inch). OK, for the same amount of material, the Kona is $18 for the 1512 sq. inches, and an identical amount of Performance Knit is $17.38, so for most practical purposes, they are about the same. For me, however, I can now use the full width of a yard and fit each of my main 2'x4' panels (3.5" deep and .75" thick frames) into a single yard of Performance Knit. It was going to take almost 2 yards of the Kona Cotton with a lot of waste.

So there you have it. And now it is time for bed. Until tomorrow... Oh wait, it already IS tomorrow. I am sure that something will come up that will force me away from the new Performance Knit, but I am really hoping that it works since it will save me a good amount of money and wasted fabric.
Edited by nickbuol - 9/19/13 at 11:17pm
post #365 of 1209
Wow, those colors really do pop compared to the Kona.

Thanks for a great write up.

I wonder acoustically how it compares to the Kona since someone did a test on it earlier on in the thread.
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Originally Posted by tcc View Post

I wonder acoustically how it compares to the Kona since someone did a test on it earlier on in the thread.

I know. Some measured data would be good. I just don't know how to do it, especially with a 8"x8" sample.

I just did the "blow" test (what a goofy name, but you know what I mean) and had my wife blow through both samples and we both agree that the new Performance Knit was actually EASIER to blow through. I know that isn't very scientific, but that was about the only thing that we normally have to go by for trying to determine the acoustical transparency of fabric unless someone does a test with it.

My wife couldn't believe the difference in the colors. I mean looking at the Kona Cotton now is just looking at dull and ugly colors. She told me that she really doesn't want "that one" (the Kona) for the panels because it look so "blah."

Maybe I should have just had to blow through the fabrics without looking at them because the WAF will not be a big impact on the fabric I am "allowed" to use. rolleyes.gif (You married guys can understand that one.)

So 2nd time looking at the fabrics and the Performance Knit is a much finer thread, making for a smoother look, the color really POP with the ability to have things like actual black, the knit breathes easier, and it is also ever so slightly less see-through, and the white is a touch (very close) whiter.

Now there are two current possible drawbacks. One is that we have no testing data, and while I would bet that it would test absolutely fine if not better, I too would like to see some measured test. The second, and this is something... The colors on the new Performance Knit do bleed ever so slightly. Not saying that they come off of the fabric, but the lettering at the top of each fabric shows the difference. The Kona is definitely crisper. I am just wondering how this will translate to small text and lettering on a movie poster.


Here is a quick picture showing the differences in the text. Look at the words and even the bar codes. The top one (thicker lettering) is the new Performance Knit. The bottom (crisper lettering) is the Kona Cotton.


Here is also a picture of the backs to show the fabric differences. The Kona is on the left, and the knit is on the right. Notice the more uniform threads on the Performance Knit. Also, look close at where the two fabrics meet. The knit is slightly more white than the Kona. The Kona looks white by itself, and doesn't look off-white until viewed next to something like the Knit. I would say that this is like looking at a white sheet of printer paper compared to a bright or brilliant white. Until the "bright" or "brilliant" is put next to it, things look just fine. So probably not an issue, but it showed in the photo a little and even more so in real life.


Looking at the last picture, you would swear that the Kona would be easier to breathe through since you can see through it more, but I just tested it a 3rd time, and the Performance Knit is easier to breathe through.
Edited by nickbuol - 9/20/13 at 6:04am
post #367 of 1209
Damn, that is a big difference. I hope you pull the trigger and try the new fabric.

I'm not a big stickler for the acoustic transparency of the fabric. To my way of thinking, any fabric is going to help absorb the sound, if it doesn't allow it to pass through to the insulation underneath. It would have to be a pretty weird fabric to reflect the sound like a bare wall does. I mean furniture and carpet are usually your 2 biggest factors, and no one worries how acoustically transparent they are.

I say go for it. Be our test subject for this new fabric. At the very least, you should have the best looking posters yet.
post #368 of 1209
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Originally Posted by MuaySteve View Post

Damn, that is a big difference. I hope you pull the trigger and try the new fabric.

I'm not a big stickler for the acoustic transparency of the fabric. To my way of thinking, any fabric is going to help absorb the sound, if it doesn't allow it to pass through to the insulation underneath. It would have to be a pretty weird fabric to reflect the sound like a bare wall does. I mean furniture and carpet are usually your 2 biggest factors, and no one worries how acoustically transparent they are.

I say go for it. Be our test subject for this new fabric. At the very least, you should have the best looking posters yet.

I just updated my previous post with some pictures.

Yeah, I know that the fabric for panels is different than say a false wall surrounding an acoustically transparent screen. The false wall needs as much sound as possible to go through. On the panels, you want absorption. I know that it is easier to let the fabric not get in the way of the "known" properties of the insulation of the panel, but there are people that seem to be quite happy with things like microfiber covered panels, and that stuff you can't blow through at all.

I am not doing movie poster style panels for my room. I am trying to replicate some artwork that we have that is going into our wet bar area right outside of the theater. It is pretty much geometric shapes, so no lettering to worry about and such.

I am 99.99% sure that I will go with the new Performance Knit option. Everything is indicating that it is superior so far. I will do a test "fold/bend/crease" test around one of the corners of my frames to make sure that it holds up OK.

I just wish that I knew how and had the tools to test the two fabrics for everyone else.
post #369 of 1209
I thought you were suppose to be in bed lol yet you post another great comparison smile.gif

Damn, I just ordered mine 2 days ago. Wonder if I can email spoonflower and change the martial?

I'd rather have a good looking poster and sacrifice sound absorption smile.gif

*edit* just emailed them. Let's see what they say.
Edited by tcc - 9/20/13 at 6:22am
post #370 of 1209
Try tcc. Their customer service is pretty quick.
post #371 of 1209
Nick, how stretchy is the performance vs the kona?
post #372 of 1209
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Originally Posted by MuaySteve View Post

Try tcc. Their customer service is pretty quick.

And their "printing and shipping" is pretty slow, so in this case it might work out well.

Let me get a few more photos to try to compare the stretch and such. Then I AM going back to bed. I ended up staying up until 2:00 am (not a HUGE deal, but it was a long day) and then got up at 6:00am to take my daughter to marching band practice. I haven't gone back to bed, but think I might for a couple of hours since everyone else is gone from the house. Just need the cat and dog to stop "playing" and making noise...

Let me get a couple more snapshot and post them in a few.
post #373 of 1209
And here you go. The Performance Knit is definitely less "rigid" than the Kona. Again, good? bad?

First up is what I am trademarking the "limp test." I literally just put a piece of tape on one corner of each, held them straight up by that tape, and stuck them to the wall. This shows the Knit on the left and the Kona on the right.



Next up, I put tape on all four corners and applied a GOOD amount of force to stretch them out and tape them down.

First up, the Kona. It has some stretch, but wants to retain its shape, creases and all. The creases become less noticeable as you stretch from more angles, and there are other ways to get the creases out anyway.



Next is the Knit. It stretches more easily for sure, but it also hid the creases just with the four corners pulled.


So with the knit, you would have to be a little more careful not to distort your image, but it hides the creases better even without pulling on it as much as I did for the photo, so you can get a flatter image easier with it meaning less stretch as long as you have enough material to wrap around your frame.

I also grabbed a corner of each sample and pulled and tugged on it with both hands trying to "rip" it. They both were stronger than me and I am pretty strong. I guess I could do a "staple" test to see how they compare when stapled to something (like a frame) and apply some pull to them. Maybe later today.... biggrin.gif



Oh, one other thing I noticed. The Knit is a little more "reflective" in looks. It has more "shine" to it. My "gray" in the bottom right corner of my samples, looks almost like silver on the Performance Knit.

While it has more shine, it just isn't as washed out as the Kona under any lighting situation. I REALLY hope that the Knit passes my staple test, because the Kona looks ugly now, and it was totally awesome before.
post #374 of 1209
Was gonna suggest a staple test too smile.gif Since you mentioned that the knit is stretchier I was wondering if it'll rip when stapled.
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The things that I do for you guys... OK, it was eating at me too, so I was going to do it anyway.

Test environment... One scrap piece of 1x3, and a 15 year old electric stapler. One staple in a corner nice and flushly stapled.

I pulled pretty darn hard on both pieces of material. Anyone pulling/stretching as hard as I was is crazy.

First up. Good ol' Kona.... Note that it tore and got out of whack where the staple was once it was pulled.



Next up, the new Knit. Tore a little as expected right at the staple holes, but less damage overall than the Kona.


So they both showed signs of damage because I pulled pretty darn hard on them and tried my best to pull with the same force. The Kona actually took more damage to a larger area and the fabric actually started pulling away from the staple (notice how the fabric is "pulled" to the left away from the staple). The staple holes on the knit material grew a little, but didn't tear away like the Kona did. My guess is that is is because of it being a bit more stretchy.

So in my book, at a minimum the Knit is as good if not slightly better than the Kona for stapling.

I would say that the biggest question or potential issue that people would just need to take their time with looks to be around the stretchiness of the new Performance Knit vs. the Kona Cotton. If you have straight lines, you will need to just take your time possibly, or do what some others have done and use some sort of tape (cloth tape, duct tape, whatever) and tape the fabric into place around your frame to get it straight, and then staple it. This is probably a good idea no matter what fabric you use as you can make minor adjustments before stapling it down.

So in my book, the Performance Knit is still winning this fight quite easily. In my basic tests and observations, the Knit has slightly better air flow, is easier to get creases to disappear, holds up well (possibly better?) to stapling, is a finer looking (less "commercial/industrial") fabric, isn't quite as see-through (not really an issue for either one), has slightly better natural color (it is whiter), and best of all the colors are AMAZING!!! I still can't get the cell phone to show the real impact of the improved colors. And as a bonus for me anyway is that I can make some things look a little "metallic" due to the nice shine of the fabric and not being blah and dull, and since I am replicating metal artwork, that is awesome. Oh and it is slightly cheaper per sqft, and comes in 58" width too.

I am really glad that I saw the "free sample of our new fabric" thing from Spoonflower when I did. It forced me to make my 16 color sample and get it done on both fabrics for a side by side comparison. I never thought at all that the Knit would be so good.
Edited by nickbuol - 9/20/13 at 8:12am
post #376 of 1209
Gave you a thumbs up.. you have gone way beyond the call of duty on this one. Thanks for giving us such a thorough review of the new fabric.
post #377 of 1209
Thank you. Like I said, I was SUPER excited (as you can tell) about this new fabric.
post #378 of 1209
Woohoo. Got a reply back from Spoonflower and they will cancel my order and credit me "Spoondollars" to reorder on another fabric. So I may be the first guinea pig for the performance knit.
post #379 of 1209
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Originally Posted by Dan Morrell View Post

No offense taken. Yes, I am a part of the Mixmastered Acoustics team, I'm spreading the word to everyone that will listen because I am very proud of our products.

You were acting kind of sneaking talking about "them" before and now it is "our." Just seemed sort of "spam-ish." I know it is tough to get off the ground, but there are forum sections more appropriate than in the middle of a DIY thread to announce your company and state that they have great service, products, etc. That should be left up to the customers to decide and report back on.

Good luck to your business. I look forward to heard actual customer feedback in the future. Maybe someone in this thread will use your frames or something to help get some business flowing. Again, it was just the "fly-by," out of nowhere post that seemed odd.

Then again, maybe I am just cranky after little sleep.

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TCC, You will beat me to it for sure. Now that I have my fabric samples, I need to pick the color codes, etc that look best, and finish my art before I can place my order. I am going back out of town for the weekend, so I am probably a week out yet from ordering.
post #380 of 1209
The only thing that I'm concerned about is the stretchiness of the knit and how it may deform the image when stretched over the frame. It's either that or it's gonna be a pita to prevent that from happening. Any tricks/suggestions?
Edited by tcc - 9/22/13 at 8:19am
post #381 of 1209
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Originally Posted by tcc View Post

The only thing that I'm concerned about is the stretchiness of the knit and how it may deform the image when stretched over the frame. It's either that or it's gonna be a pita to prevent that from happening. Any tricks/suggestions?

I mentioned it somewhere before this in my ramblings. What I've heard other people have done when concerned with stretch and deforming of the image, is that they use tape to hold the fabric in place. The tape can be minorly adjusted until perfect, and then stapled so that it is straight from the start.
post #382 of 1209
Ahh, thanks wink.gif

So I uploaded one of my original designs and selected the PK fabric. This time it'll fit but there's still quite a bit of waste frown.gif

I wish they had an option to left/top justify images to avoid such things.


Edited by tcc - 9/20/13 at 8:13pm
post #383 of 1209
It might be they need that lead at the start of their fabric for the printing process, or that is just their policy to round each order to the nearest yard.

I think it's still a pretty fair deal for the product.
post #384 of 1209
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Originally Posted by nickbuol View Post

You were acting kind of sneaking talking about "them" before and now it is "our." Just seemed sort of "spam-ish." I know it is tough to get off the ground, but there are forum sections more appropriate than in the middle of a DIY thread to announce your company and state that they have great service, products, etc. That should be left up to the customers to decide and report back on.

Good luck to your business. I look forward to heard actual customer feedback in the future. Maybe someone in this thread will use your frames or something to help get some business flowing. Again, it was just the "fly-by," out of nowhere post that seemed odd.

Then again, maybe I am just cranky after little sleep.

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TCC, You will beat me to it for sure. Now that I have my fabric samples, I need to pick the color codes, etc that look best, and finish my art before I can place my order. I am going back out of town for the weekend, so I am probably a week out yet from ordering.

I looks like all these posts were deleted.
post #385 of 1209
@muaysteve: which roxual did you get?
http://www.homedepot.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SearchView?catalogId=10051&storeId=10051&langId=-15&N=0&Ntt=Roxual&Nty=1&D=Roxual&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Dx=mode+matchallpartial&s=true

Also with the 2" black border around each pic and the wood that you used for the frame (1x2 which you had mentioned was only 1.5" thick), was there enough material in the back to staple?
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Ok, made the jump and placed my order on the PK fabric.

Lets see how long it takes and how it'll look.
post #388 of 1209
And now you wait..... and wait....
post #389 of 1209
Is it really that bad??

How long did it take for you to get the samples?
post #390 of 1209
I admit that I went with the cheapest shipping. The site claimed "will ship in 8 days" or something like that. After 12 days (and 2 emails) it shipped. Only took a couple of days to get here to Iowa though.
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