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post #841 of 1181
Now you just need to repaint your walls.... wink.gif

Jump to 20 minutes in and watch until the "commercial" at 30 minutes in... Summarized at 27:53 in.
(I always thought that the "red tones" for a theater were darn sexy when the lights are on. As long as you are in a fully darkened room and can't see any stray light from the side walls, you are good. Heck, I don't think it is a big deal for people with projectors anyway, but thought it would be fun to share.)
post #842 of 1181
Hah, yeah, you definitely can't even see the wall color at all while watching something, it looks like it's black while watching stuff.
post #843 of 1181
I finally got one up on the wall
post #844 of 1181
Wow sooo jealous
post #845 of 1181
That Halloween one is badass.

Oh, and nice color scheme you have there, looks familiar!
post #846 of 1181
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Originally Posted by dlechner View Post

Not trying to ressurect an old thread, but thanks to the individuals on here I was able to creat my own. I am only showing the Halloween poster. I ran out of staples, so the Star Wars poster will have to wait until tonight to finish.




That SURE looks familiar!!!!!
post #847 of 1181
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

So tonight I finally got around to hanging up the panels, after some patience and careful measuring, and man oh man, am I so super happy with how everything turned out. My wife loves them too and she had a say in how they went on the walls too. I even had her yell into the bare wall then yell into a panel to see exactly what they do and she is like "OOOOOHHHHHH I can tell!" lol.

The only thing that didn't quite work out how I wanted was that my horizontal panels weren't quite large enough to cover the window well complete, so you can see like 1" below it that is still showing (below the Redskins one). It is as low as it can go because that french cleat is basically at the very edge above the window well. But oh well, it still looks awesome!

Anyways, thanks a ton to all of the advice/help in this thread, I definitely never would have done this project without the help in here. And of course, I snapped a bunch of pics. I still think the Nemo one is my favorite.


biggrin.gif It looks superb
post #848 of 1181
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Originally Posted by ATWindsor View Post

I haven't read all the pages in the thread, but the last few pages indicate that Performance Knit is the best choice (I have not letters on my pictures), however, I was wondering if there has been any testing of the material when it comes to acoustical transparency. (other then the "is it easy to blow through"-test)

So I got a sample of Silky and it does not pass the acoustic test, sorry you ca't blow through it I think the weave is way too tight, I am going to get multiple sample but I think Kona Cotton is the best acoustically !
post #849 of 1181
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

So I got a sample of Silky and it does not pass the acoustic test, sorry you ca't blow through it I think the weave is way too tight, I am going to get multiple sample but I think Kona Cotton is the best acoustically !

Really? I thought Kona was the hardest to blow through. I even blew vapor smoke through them all, and Performance Knit and Silky Faille passed vapor much better than Kona.

Edit: If silk isn't the fabric for you, you may want to use the Organic Cotton Sateen then, for a better print than Kona. I have compared the Organic Cotton side by side and it is a better print.
post #850 of 1181
wse, I have an 8" x 8" sample of silky faille coming (shipped late last week, so any day now). It is the exact same sample with color blocks that I had done in Kona Cotton, Kona Cotton Ultra, and Performance Knit. It was part of a free offer and even though I am long done with my panels, Soupy tipped me off to it so that I could compare it for color and acoustical properties via the air passage (blow/breathe) test.

So if you can hang on a couple of days, do. All I can say is that I would not, I repeat NOT go with Kona Cotton. The Performance Knit breathes MUCH easier, has a more unified weave (less industrial look to it), and the colors are SO much better. Once I get the silky faille I will compare it to the rest and post here. Just don't do yourself the dis-service of going Kona Cotton. Yuck!
post #851 of 1181
If I remember correctly, the PK might pass air a tad better than the SF, but I also remember thinking it wasn't enough of a positive to sway from Silky Faille (for my use) as they both passed (in my test) air way better than Kona (which seems to be acceptable).

Edit: I did my test on printed fabrics except for the Performance Knit.
post #852 of 1181
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Originally Posted by nickbuol View Post

wse, I have an 8" x 8" sample of silky faille coming (shipped late last week, so any day now). It is the exact same sample with color blocks that I had done in Kona Cotton, Kona Cotton Ultra, and Performance Knit. It was part of a free offer and even though I am long done with my panels, Soupy tipped me off to it so that I could compare it for color and acoustical properties via the air passage (blow/breathe) test.

So if you can hang on a couple of days, do. All I can say is that I would not, I repeat NOT go with Kona Cotton. The Performance Knit breathes MUCH easier, has a more unified weave (less industrial look to it), and the colors are SO much better. Once I get the silky faille I will compare it to the rest and post here. Just don't do yourself the dis-service of going Kona Cotton. Yuck!

Interesting! The higher thread count means the less permeable to air and to be good for acoustic panel?

Basic Combed Cotton 3.2 oz per square yard Thread count: 78 x 76
Kona® Cotton 4.5 oz per square yard Thread count: 60 x 60
Cotton Poplin 3.7 oz per square yard Thread count: 133 x 72
Silky Faille 4 oz per square yard Thread count: 145 x 73
Performance Knit 4.1 oz per square yard
Linen-Cotton Canvas 6.2 oz per square yard Thread count: 100 x 48
Organic Cotton Sateen 3.8 oz per square yard Thread count: 142 x 80
Heavy Cotton Twill 7.2 oz per square yard Thread count: 112 x 53
Cotton Silk 2.4 oz per square yard
Linen-Cotton Canvas 6.2 oz per square yard Thread count: 100 x 48
post #853 of 1181
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Interesting! The higher thread count means the less permeable to air and to be good for acoustic panel?

Basic Combed Cotton 3.2 oz per square yard Thread count: 78 x 76
Kona® Cotton 4.5 oz per square yard Thread count: 60 x 60
Cotton Poplin 3.7 oz per square yard Thread count: 133 x 72
Silky Faille 4 oz per square yard Thread count: 145 x 73
Performance Knit 4.1 oz per square yard
Linen-Cotton Canvas 6.2 oz per square yard Thread count: 100 x 48
Organic Cotton Sateen 3.8 oz per square yard Thread count: 142 x 80
Heavy Cotton Twill 7.2 oz per square yard Thread count: 112 x 53
Cotton Silk 2.4 oz per square yard
Linen-Cotton Canvas 6.2 oz per square yard Thread count: 100 x 48

All I know is that blowing through the Performance Knit was MUCH easier than the Kona, which has already been tested to be good.

Let me put it another way. If someone made a "bag" out of those two fabrics (the only two I have tried so far with Silky Faille coming hopefully this week), and kidnapped you and put the bags over your head and made them snug around your neck. You would be able to breathe, even at a higher rate due to panic, just fine with the Performance Knit. The Kona Cotton would probably cause you to pass out as it is significantly more difficult.

Now, yes, I know that being able to pass air through isn't *exactly* a 1-to-1 correlation to being acoustically more or less transparent as it it more of a "poor man's" test of acoustic transparency, but be assured that had I not seen the data from one of the earlier pages in this post about Kona being OK, I probably wouldn't have even considered it based off of the 8" x 8" sample because it is just that much more difficult to breathe through.

Also keep in mind that we are talking about some of the most upper frequencies here. The lower you get the more and more that the fabric doesn't matter, which is why the Kona still passed the original scientific testing.

Again, feel free to do what I did and get samples. You can get the little book with the small 2" x 2" samples of their fabrics, or get some 8" x 8" printed samples with something on them in the fabrics that you want to test. I had the Kona Cotton full 1 yard sample with the 1400 color blocks on it, which was somewhat disappointing when I saw how faded things looked, but I picked out the main colors that I thought that I would use and made an 8" x 8" set of 16 color squares that were bigger so that I could confirm my colors better. That shipped, and before I got it, the Performance Knit was announced. They boasted all of these great colors, and since the Kona was so "blah" folor colors, I ordered the same 8" x 8" sample in PK and added the booklet of fabric samples. They showed up and I was blown away by how much better the PK was for color and breathe-ability. I kept working on my artwork knowing that I wanted PK over Kona, hands down, and then they came out with the short lived Kona Cotton Ultra. I didn't need it or want it, but was trying to do my part to help out, so I ordered the 8" x 8" sample. The colors were better than the original, but not to the PK level and I still didn't like the level or air that it let (or didn't let) through.

Now I am getting a Silky Faille 8" x 8" sample because Soupy likes it so much and then I can compare it to the others so that people can make up their own minds without having to go through the time, cost, efforts of testing and comparing them for our application.

You are more than entitled to go and get your own samples and try them for yourself, or look at things like thread counts and weights and pick it based off of that if you want. It isn't like anyone is forcing you to go one way or another. I am getting zero gain out of showing my test results and getting yet another sample after my project is done, so hopefully that holds some objectivity weight to this, but again, it is your money, your panels, and your room. You should do what you feel is right to you.
post #854 of 1181
It's not like we are using the fabric as speaker grills. The sound is going to travel through just fine.
post #855 of 1181
I got the Silky 8x8 sample colors are amazing, blow through impossible so I will get the Performance and try!
post #856 of 1181
I don't know, maybe it's because I did the blow test after I mounted the fabric as that build was for another project non related to acoustics. I was able to blow vapor through much easier than Kona. I really can't imagine sound bouncing off any of these fabrics.
post #857 of 1181
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Originally Posted by Soupy1970 View Post

It's not like we are using the fabric as speaker grills. The sound is going to travel through just fine.

I should go home and see how my Seymour XD AT screen compares to the fabric. That screen material is woven and proven to be great acoustically (and IS placed closely in front of speakers). Might be an interesting comparison.
post #858 of 1181
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Originally Posted by nickbuol View PostI should go home and see how my Seymour XD AT screen compares to the fabric. That screen material is woven and proven to be great acoustically (and IS placed closely in front of speakers). Might be an interesting comparison.

Please let us know :)

post #859 of 1181
Well the Silky Faille is the better print quality, but it is much harder to blow through. I think it will work as you don't need much to pass sound, but it is harder than I remembered to blow through. I will take a side by side picture soon. It is obvious that the Silky Faille has a richer color. The PK isn't no slouch though!
post #860 of 1181

If these panels are being used as broadband absorbers then as long as the material is not reflecting the higher frequencies, you should be fine.  A more breathable material is preferred as it gives you a higher probability of the sound being absorbed by the OC 703 or whatever material you're using behind the printed mesh but it's not actually required in this case.  Personally, I would opt for whichever material is easiest to assemble with the best print quality possible followed last by the breathability test but YMMV.

post #861 of 1181
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Originally Posted by jkasanic View Post

If these panels are being used as broadband absorbers then as long as the material is not reflecting the higher frequencies, you should be fine.  A more breathable material is preferred as it gives you a higher probability of the sound being absorbed by the OC 703 or whatever material you're using behind the printed mesh but it's not actually required in this case.  Personally, I would opt for whichever material is easiest to assemble with the best print quality possible followed last by the breathability test but YMMV.

The Silky Faille looks best and IMHO would be the easiest to use. The PK is defiantly more breathable.

I can tell just by handling the two fabrics side by side, the PK would be harder to mount. I mean it stretches allowing things to easily go wonky (it's obvious). The SF is much more rigid.

That said, The PK is workable and if you (not you) want the absolute easiest to blow through than by all means go with the PK.
post #862 of 1181
The lettering on my one panel (only 1 of my 7 panels had words) didn't go "wonky" at all using Performance Knit. That was because I took my time and followed some proper fabric mounting (search canvas stretching) techniques. I'm pretty anal about getting things right, and even with that mindset, the PK wasn't hard to work with at all, and actually was pretty forgiving. Where people run into problems is when they start to *need* to stretch it and that is where a second pair of hands would be helpful. Someone to hold the fabric right where it needs to be and the other to staple. Again, I did my panels, which are larger and thus more cumbersome than most here, by myself and the letters are straight and even.

It is odd that the Silky Faille is now being reported at poor performance with the blow test. I had always heard that it was better than the Kona...

So looking at this from a "poster" perspective, any of these will work, the Silky *might* print the best (I haven't seen it so I can't say for sure) and be the right choice, but now it is sounding (pun intended) like it isn't the best choice for the better acoustical properties and something else like PK or even the yucky Kona is better.

As I've said all along, positives and negatives to all of them. Just depends on your priorities.
post #863 of 1181
Agreed, there is never going to be a one fits all solution. The mounted SF I used previously passed air and vapor easier than Kona in that test. My official stance, is in my previous post. Doesn't matter to me one bit which people choose moving forward.

The PK looks great too, so by all means if you want breath ability and don't mind the sketchiness than by all means use it. No fabric is going to be 100% perfect.
post #864 of 1181
Quick shots side by side. Silky Faille on the left, and Performance Knit on the right. One without flash, and one with flash. I just blew vapor from an electronic cigarette (which is thicker than sound) through both just fine. The Performance Knit is easier, but I'm no expert as to if it matters. I will let you all debate between yourself which fabric you should choose. This is all the info I can provide on the subject, and it's up to you as I don't care which fabric as they are both nice.


post #865 of 1181
What's strange is that the PK is "whiter". You would think that the base white color would at least be the same.

People should also know that the PK is more "reflective" to straight on light. Mine right next to my 138" screen reflect less than my dark brown flat wall paint, but it does impact the black.
Edited by nickbuol - 2/6/14 at 3:37pm
post #866 of 1181
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Originally Posted by nickbuol View Post

What's strange is that the PK is "whiter". You would think that the base white color would at least be the same.

Not sure. They are close enough in quality not to make a big fess about it. Like you said pros and cons. Those pics where taken right out of the bag.
post #867 of 1181
I just got home 10 minutes ago, ans sure enough my Silky Faille sample showed up. I just did some basic side by side stuff for now, but wanted to get them out there.

First up from left to right (No Flash)
Kona Cotton, Kona Cotton Ultra (not available at this time), Performance Knit, and Silky Faille



(With Flash)
Kona Cotton, Kona Cotton Ultra (not available at this time), Performance Knit, and Silky Faille


(With Flash)
Kona Cotton Ultra (not available at this time), Performance Knit, and Silky Faille


(With Flash)
Performance Knit on TOP, Silky Faille on BOTTOM



Out of the envelope, the Silky Faille looks pretty good. I would say that it is the "sharpest" of all of them. The colors looked good, and so on.

Then I grabbed my other samples, and here is what I noticed...

The Silky Faille's black is slightly darker than the PK, which is pretty amazing already.
Some of the colors were off a little bit from my "real" color chips, but then again, some were with the PK too. Blues for the PK and Silky Faille were pretty much spot on. Browns were better on the PK and bright reds were better on the Silky Faille.

Both are better than the Kona Cotton (even the Ultra that we can't get).

Now, I will try to take some additional photos later when I have someone to help with the "stretch tests" and such, but here is what I noticed.

The Kona keeps its shape best when stretched.
The Silky is pretty good, but when it gets stretched, only small sections stretch and you can easily get wavy lines.
PK stretches the absolute most, as expected.

Kona does not seem to be able to "stretch" any creases out and would require the use of a fabric steamer or something.
Silky does not seem to be able to "stretch" any creases out and would require the use of a fabric steamer or something.
PK can more easily stretch out any creases. No steaming required.

Now for the "blow"test"...

Silky - Worst of the three, but maybe only slightly worse than Kona.
Kona - A little (but noticeably better) than the Silky. This has actually been tested to be OK.
PK - Significantly better than the others.

So in my summary at this point, I would say that if the Silky passed the blow test better, if you tweaked a few colors to be more accurate, and had a fabric steamer to get rid of creases, it would be the winner.

Without testing how the Silky Faille actually does acoustically, I can't say for certain that it is a solid option for acoustical properties.

So my previous "guess" to the results was correct... For acoustical properties, Performance Knit wins with a big difference in the "blow test" (again, air and sound are impacted differently, so this may not even be an issue for the Silky), for print quality, the Silky is a hair better with increased clarity and a little blacker blacks. Kona, not an option due to crappy print quality.
post #868 of 1181
Nice comparison. Just wanted to note I didn't need a steamer or anything on my silky faille build. Took me a whole 2 minutes to slap it on a frame as it doesn't need all kinds of adjusting.

Basically I lay the fabric face down and looking through the fabric from the back I lay the frame on top lining up the edge. Fold over and staple. Comes out perfect. I was able to do that with the Cotton sateen and poplin as well, but I ironed those first.
post #869 of 1181
Maybe it is my sample. It has some HARD creases in it from shipping that wouldn't pull out completely. Having to possibly use a fabric steamer to me isn't a big deal anyway. I wonder if you could make the frames, cover them, and put them in a bathroom with a hot shower running to steam them. LOL.
post #870 of 1181
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Originally Posted by nickbuol View Post

Maybe it is my sample. It has some HARD creases in it from shipping that wouldn't pull out completely. Having to possibly use a fabric steamer to me isn't a big deal anyway. I wonder if you could make the frames, cover them, and put them in a bathroom with a hot shower running to steam them. LOL.

Possibly, I guess the way they package it could play a role in it.

I think you pretty much covered everything in your review. People should be able to decide which pro/cons they want to deal with moving forward. I guess it's sort of a draw. smile.gif
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