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post #31 of 703
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The surrounds are the 8330 like these:

http://www.jblpro.com/pub/cinema/8330.pdf

They do have a slant to them and seem to be rated the same as the ones you linked to. I wonder if they justed changed the cabinet to plastic simply to save weight?


Ricci, I'm going to go down and see how many of the smaller ones I can get before the stuff is gone. Then we can figure up exactly what we have to chose from. As mentioned, I wish I found out about this stuff 2 weeks ago because everyone could have bought some CD's and horns. I'd like to keep 3 of something and the smaller ones would probably work better for me. That may leave 3 large units and 3 small units.

What sucks is that it was suppose to rain like crazy today......up to 2". But it's staying just South of us so I could have picked up most of the items this morning. Darn weather men.
post #32 of 703
Alright good luck. The effort is much appreciated by everyone!
post #33 of 703
I am interested in two pairs of the 8330 surrounds.
post #34 of 703
Erich,

I'm likely going to sit this one out, but wanted to say thanks for all you do for the DIY community!

Ricci,

Hope you score the large CD's!!! A pair of the 4645C or DSL SH-50 are going to be my next mains...

Larry
post #35 of 703
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Originally Posted by 04FLHRCI View Post

Erich,

I'm likely going to sit this one out, but wanted to say thanks for all you do for the DIY community!

Ricci,

Hope you score the large CD's!!! A pair of the 4645C or DSL SH-50 are going to be my next mains...

Larry

Did you mean 4675C?
post #36 of 703
Thread Starter 
Well, I just got back from the place again. The guy probably thinks I'm nuts. He had about 10 of the big compression drivers boxed up to be mailed. He showed me what he had left and I bought them all just to be on the safe side. I'll have to check what I have this evening.

Maybe bad news on the 18's, I don't know. Some of the 18's have a rolled surround, some have the ridges. I'm not sure what that means, but they are different. They all look okay except one of them had a hole punched through the cone. It really sucks because that driver looked nice. It was just done because it wasn't there yesterday. These are all lined up in rows and it looks like someone tilted a box forward and it's corner hit the cone in the cabinet behind it. So that stinks. But he did say that would be much cheaper. Yeh, whatever. The hole isn't big, maybe 1.5" wide and not punched through, but it's there.


I moved a lot of the dual 15's and they look really good. I was surprised by some of those.


I need to research the 18's before I do anything. I don't want to buy stuff that you guys don't want. That would kinda suck.
post #37 of 703
Hmmm.. shucks about the 18's. Those would have been an interesting pick up for some. About the variety there, I think the DD versions of these 18's had the rolled surround. I think? I'm not sure but the 2242 is an accordian style and not rolled. Most definitely. Dunno what you should do with out getting an even better look at the drivers themselves. Too bad you can't open the cabs up to look at the motor. Then you would know for sure.

I'll tell you.. the 15's (hopefully all 2226's) are a great buy! Plenty of uses for those and there are many around here that could use them for mains or bass duty. They also sell real quick on ebay so you can definitely get your money back or make a few bucks even.
post #38 of 703
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Scott, there are some 18's with the ridge style surround and they still say the correct model on the back that was discussed earlier. There might be more with the ridges, I'm not sure.

Any idea what I should say about the ones with the rolled surround, as in price?

They look the same except for the surrounds.

He said he would hold everything for 1 day until we could make up our mind.
post #39 of 703
Guys, I was going to buy the whole lot from them a couple of weeks ago but decided not to.

So you know, some of the 4645's subs have the JBL 2242H driver and some have the 2245H. Still, it's a great driver but won't take the same pounding that the 2242H can. I would suggest you check the ones with the 2245's and make sure the foam surround is intact as these are prone to rot after 10 years or so.

Eric
post #40 of 703
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Those have some pretty decent specs! 25mm max excursion one way and fs:20?

http://www.jblpro.com/pages/components/2245h.htm

They looked pretty good, but I didn't get down and really inspect them. I looked and a recone kit is $79 just in case they do have issues.

http://reconekits.com/jbl2245h8ohmreconekit.aspx


I should have counted how many of each type they had.


I looked up the ones with accordion surrounds. looks like they have the same exact X-max. But Fs is 35hz.

http://www.jblpro.com/pub/components/2242.pdf
post #41 of 703
The 2245H has a peak to peak of 25mm whereas the 2242H is 50mm before damage. Power compression figures are also better for the 2242H as well. Either way, both are excellent drivers and have been used in litteraly thousands of theaters for good reason.

I wouldn't use an aftermarket recone kit such as the one you suggested though.
post #42 of 703
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Ah yes, I see that about the X-max. Thanks.

It's good to hear that they're both great drivers.
post #43 of 703
I couldn't tell you much about the foam surround drivers, but I'm not particularly interested in those. I know the 2245h is a nice driver but not on par with the 2242h. If you have 4 of the 2242h's I'll take em otherwise I'll pass.

I'm still interested in the 2226Js.
post #44 of 703
I'd take two pairs of those surrounds in a quick second if they could be had. PM me, Erich if we can work something out.
post #45 of 703
Yes, I did; wasn't able to contain my enthusiasm...

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Originally Posted by gpmbc View Post

Did you mean 4675C?
post #46 of 703
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Originally Posted by LBDiver View Post

In the original post it says model 8330, which is the older wood cabinet version of the newer 8330A model.


Thanks, apparently I'm blind

Hell, I'm in for 2 or 4. They'd look nice stacked in my garage along with the other stuff.
post #47 of 703
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

Scott, there are some 18's with the ridge style surround and they still say the correct model on the back that was discussed earlier. There might be more with the ridges, I'm not sure.

Any idea what I should say about the ones with the rolled surround, as in price?

They look the same except for the surrounds.

He said he would hold everything for 1 day until we could make up our mind.

Erich, have you asked HIM what he wants for the whole lot ?

If you can get a complete list along with the price I may be able to underwrite it or at least help.

Sometimes in deals like these, the guy may be more concerned with someone taking EVERYTHING than the price. You know he doesn't want to ebay and ship all that. We get the price right, we can afford to dump what we don't want. Maybe lowball him and see if he bites.
Sounds like he did ok with the CDs and the rest is heavy
post #48 of 703
If they sound halfway decent I'd be interested in a pair of the 8330s.
post #49 of 703
I bought 2 pairs of 8340's from atomicmist. Currently using them as my 3 front speakers and they work pretty well for that.

I'd be interested in getting 3 of the 4648 cabinets to use as mains. I need the horns and compression drivers too but if they don't have any left I suppose I can get those later.
post #50 of 703
Put me down for a 2 pair of the 8330s also.
post #51 of 703
The 2245H is, I believe, the driver JBL used in their B460 home sub. (The smaller B380 used the 2235H.)

Just food for thought.
post #52 of 703
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Originally Posted by Tack View Post

Erich, have you asked HIM what he wants for the whole lot ?

If you can get a complete list along with the price I may be able to underwrite it or at least help.

Sometimes in deals like these, the guy may be more concerned with someone taking EVERYTHING than the price. You know he doesn't want to ebay and ship all that. We get the price right, we can afford to dump what we don't want. Maybe lowball him and see if he bites.
Sounds like he did ok with the CDs and the rest is heavy


He doesn't mind it sitting and his pricing is very odd, trust me. I dealt with him a very little bit last year with the amps. Also one of his employees and a middle man that was stuck in somehow. I'll tell ya I run a small landscape company (that's why I have spare time right now) so I deal with salesmen, pricing, etc all the time. But that amp thing was the strangest, goofiest thing I've ever dealt with in my life. It was like a saga. Actually kinda fun in the end, but strange. That's a long crazy story that I may have mentioned here. Sadly, he had already sold about 15 of those amps before I found out.

I can front the money for all the JBL stuff like I'm doing with the waveguides and flat packs. But his pricing seemed high at first, that's why I asked what I should be shooting for. It turns out he went with less than what guys here hoped for, so that's good.


The thing is, he had this stuff for sale a few weeks ago and didn't realize what it was worth. Had I gone in then, this would have been really crazy. Today when I picked up some CD's he told me he had the big horns and compression drivers listed together for $70 but didn't sell any, sold 1 at $40. He thought it was because they were HUGE. Well, he took it apart and listed just the compression driver because it's "smaller" and thought it would sell easier. And because of that, instead of just calling it a big JBL horn, he had to give it the model number, which people then picked up on. He said he sold 10 in 3 days for $150 each.

So after that, in his head, I guess the entire pricing structure changed. That's why I didn't want to start removing the 15" and 18" drivers from the box. He'd start wondering if they were worth even more than his raised up price, just like the CD's. Or think people would buy them because they were "smaller".

And you'd normally think trying for the whole lot would be better.

Here's an example. This is exactly what happened the first time I talked to the owner. I asked how much he would take per surround. He said "$50 - $55, maybe $50". Okay, how much for 20? "I'll sell you 20 today, right now, for $1250." And he was serious. He did the same thing with the CD's.


My guess is that if we wait 2 weeks, the stuff may be double the price, or it could be half the price, or maybe one of the employees decides to scrap the magnets for $10 like some of the Ashley amps last year. The problem is though, it may not be there in 2 weeks at all! Trust me, there's no way of knowing in this situation.

I'm going to definitely have to front the money for this for those reasons. That's why I wanted to get a general price and move quickly on what people seem to want.

What kinda stinks is this was unexpected and came on the exact day I was heading way down in Kentucky to pick up some "parts" for something Lilmike is designing. But I can't talk about that just yet.

So it's been hectic the past couple days because I didn't want anyone to miss this weird JBL deal, but also had to work on another DIY project that I'm hoping will help out. Man, it's been a strange winter for me. My friends are beginning to think I'm nuts. Everyone I told about the Kentucky thing gave me this....."You did what?" It's been a fun winter though with all the group buy stuff, getting the SEOS waveguide prototype, dealing with the fine folks in Poland, flat packs, diffusers, etc, etc. It's been a blast for me and I love it! Keeps the brain from stagnating......
post #53 of 703
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Originally Posted by DS-21 View Post

The 2245H is, I believe, the driver JBL used in their B460 home sub. (The smaller B380 used the 2235H.)

Just food for thought.

You're right, I looked it up and that is the driver for the B460. I did a little more research and people say it sounds very good for music. For whatever reason it sells at what I would consider a ridiculous price, especially for a passive sub. Must be a collectors item of sorts. There's one on Ebay right now for $2950.

http://cgi.ebay.com/JBL-B460-SUBWOOF...-/220734939518

And one on Canuck Audio for $1900.

http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/detai...b_460_sub_18_/
post #54 of 703
How many CD's did you end up walking away with? Were they mostly the 1.5", how about the smaller horns?
post #55 of 703
I'm in for 3 surrounds
post #56 of 703
Eric,

You have a pm.
post #57 of 703
Hey guys...if your close to mid-south area and are interested in used pro cinema gear you might want to check out http://www.tristatetheatre.com/UsedEqupment071404.htm located in Memphis,TN.

They have a crazy warehouse full of used cinema gear from JBL and EV. I bought all my JBL gear from them and several years later it's all still going strong. Their techs test all the components so it's pretty safe that the gear works.

They get all this stuff as they sell new equipment to cinema chains and take the old stuff in on trade plus they buy all the stuff when a cinema closes. It's a pretty neat place. They have rows upon rows of theater seats, projector parts you name it.

ps...

I agree with others...the 2241 is a great driver but the 2242 is a definite step up. In fact I replaced the oe 2241's in my 4642a with the 2242's so they match my pair of 4645b's.
post #58 of 703
Thread Starter 
Their prices seem a bit high. They want $125 for the 8330 JBL surrounds and $165 for the 15's. Those prices might still be a good deal, I don't know.


I'm hoping to head down to the place today to start picking up some of this stuff. I'll keep you guys posted how it all works out.
post #59 of 703
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

Their prices seem a bit high. They want $125 for the 8330 JBL surrounds and $165 for the 15's. Those prices might still be a good deal, I don't know.


I'm hoping to head down to the place today to start picking up some of this stuff. I'll keep you guys posted how it all works out.

$165 per 2226J driver? That is probably not a price I want to pay. I'd probably pass to be honest. Maybe a tested 2226H for $165, but the 16ohm drivers aren't worth as much to me at least.

Also, I take it the 2242H's are no longer available? I would still be in for 4 2242H's (accordion style cloth surround).

Erich, I appreciate the effort you've spent on this. Hopefully some of it pans out.
post #60 of 703
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

Their prices seem a bit high. They want $125 for the 8330 JBL surrounds and $165 for the 15's. Those prices might still be a good deal, I don't know.


I'm hoping to head down to the place today to start picking up some of this stuff. I'll keep you guys posted how it all works out.

If your talking about Tri State's pricing I agree...especially on the individual drivers. That's kinda new for them I believe. I haven't been on their site in awhile but they used to not sell individual drivers. I know as when I was switching over to JBL's I needed to custom build my wall mounted surround backs. They didn't keep extra components back then so I ended up buying an extra 4670 from them just to use as parts.

Keep in mind I bought my stuff several years ago. In the last few years they have moved their prices up quite a bit it seems. However if your buying multiple pieces they will usually work with you on pricing some. They're not really used to dealing with the low volume diy/ht crowd so while they are nice
and happy to help...they may come off as a bit "dry" to work with. In other words your not going to be dealing with a polished salesmen like you would at a retail shop. They are pretty much all business.
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