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post #61 of 703
2/25/11 at 4:05pm
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Hey guys, guess what? I rented a moving truck today........a 26' moving truck. And it got filled from front to back!

Let's just say we have a lot of JBL stuff!

I've got a truck with an 8' x 14' bed and 4' sides, but we had some flurries today so I didn't want to chance it, I figured I would move the stuff tomorrow when the weather was better. It cleared up anyway.


I went there this morning and told the guy what we wanted. Done deal. I didn't rent the truck at that point. I brought up the surround speakers again. I asked for a better price instead of "If you buy them all, $50 - $55, maybe $50". He said 2 for $90. Done.


I was going to just make a few trips with my bigger truck to get everything. So, how did I justify the truck rental? A few days ago he told me he had 120 surrounds, and told me how many were on each skid, etc. This morning he said he would like 4 of the surround for himself, he took those off the skid. That took it down to 116. He then wrote up the invoice as 105 surrounds? I figured the extra would pay for the truck. I offered my friend 5 of them if he'd help out. So in the end there were 6 speakers left over that are basically free. 6*$45 = $270. Truck rental from Uhaul was $40 plus mileage. In the end it was $68. $200 left over.......for some boxes.




Long story short, all the guys that wanted the surround speakers at $50, they're now$45.

I'm glad we got the extras because my friend was happy, and if he didn't help, this would have taken me a LONG time. Those dual 15's are very heavy.


I need to get some photos of all these speakers. It's kinda funny. I'll try to get some tonight if I can.
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post #62 of 703
2/25/11 at 4:12pm
Bravo Erich,

You're now the DIY & JBL madman.

I will definitely be in for 4 of the surrounds, and a 15" dual.

Did you purchase any of the horns, large or medium?

Looking forward to the picture of all of it.
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post #63 of 703
2/25/11 at 5:43pm
I am all tingly now. Can't wait to see the pics. I might have to justify a trip N.
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post #64 of 703
2/25/11 at 5:49pm
Hehe, you are the man E.
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post #65 of 703
2/25/11 at 7:04pm
Erich you are the man...


Whenever you get around to it let me know the damage for:
2 of the 4645C's (With the 2242H drivers with accordian surrounds if they are available.)
2 of the dual 15 cabs
The 2 big 2445J? compression drivers with 2 of the BIG 31" horn lenses.(These available? Not sure.)
If the big horns aren't available I would be interested in 2 of the smaller 2447H and 2 lenses if those are.

Edit: Actually i just realized that I will be in Cincinnati for the entire weekend of March 19th visiting family and friends....Might be a good time to meet up and pick up some items.
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post #66 of 703
2/25/11 at 7:11pm
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Gentlemen, here are a few photos. Bad lighting at night, but you get the idea. This is part of the shop that doesn't get used for anything but storage stuff for my small landscape business. It's actually a separate room. You can see my paint booth that I never got setup to paint my speakers. Oh, and my very first sonotube build sits in the back.....my how far I've come in 3 yrs. I think the 18" in this photo might be upside down. It was like that at the place today. Anyway, twelve 18" beasts and 21 dual 15" mid bass units are sitting there for all of us!






Here are the surrounds. There's actually 5 pallets full! I couldn't get them all in the photo! Man I really am nuts! They look dusty, but that's just the tops. I think these hang up pretty high in the theaters, so the tops don't get dusted very often I guess. The good thing is that the front grill is made so NOTHING can get in. The drivers are really clean. Yes, my friend and I had to stack them all up like that. Actually twice. We stacked them in the front of the truck first. Then I took some skids, sat them on the back of the truck, stacked it, and used my skid steer to move the entire pallet into this room.






I grabbed a pair and took them home. When I removed the front grill, I was shocked how clean they were. The grill is made to not allow anything in, including dust. Here's the photo. WARNING!!!!! Anyone that makes fun of the ugly couch gets NO speakers! Nada!!! When I moved in my sister and my girlfriend at the time picked it out. The room was a different color, but still....bad. I don't have a TV, so I rarely go in this room unless I listen to music. Some day they will get replaced.

notice how clean they look! I never dusted the fronts, just removed the cloth grill!



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post #67 of 703
2/25/11 at 7:15pm
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And here are the compression drivers:

That's a 6.5" Tang Band woofer sitting on top of one of the smaller ones! Don't worry, the mounting screws are holding them off the counter top.





Close up shot:


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post #68 of 703
2/25/11 at 7:21pm
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Originally Posted by Ricci View Post

Erich you are the man...


Whenever you get around to it let me know the damage for:
2 of the 4645C's (With the 2242H drivers with accordian surrounds if they are available, I'm not interested in the other woofers)
2 of the dual 15 cabs
The 2 big 2445J? compression drivers with 2 of the BIG 31" horn lenses.(These available? Not sure.)
If the big horns aren't available I would be interested in 2 of the smaller 2447H and 2 lenses if those are.

Edit: Actually i just realized that I will be in Cincinnati for the entire weekend of March 19th visiting family and friends....Might be a good time to meet up and pick up some items.



Ricci, I know you were one of the first to contact me about the bigger CD's and stuff, so I believe you get first dibs. I need to go back through my lists. It's been hectic this week.


Guys, I honestly don't know how many of the accordion style 18's I have, I lost track. The ones with the rolled surrounds look good and seem to feel okay too. I thought they did anyway. I might get better photos tomorrow.


I also bought 29 of the big 31" horns and their metal heavy duty throats. And the bracket that mounts them to the dual 15's. hey, the brackets were free! But they're just ugly painted plywood.

Basically I bought everything he had left because it sounded like enough people wanted them, and it's only been known for a couple days.
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post #69 of 703
2/25/11 at 7:37pm
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Heavy duty metal throat to hold the 30lb compression drivers to the big 31" horns:





This is the "smaller" horn. I like these and might keep 3 myself, but I think there are 4 left. Maybe I only need 2. They go with the "smaller" CD's. The mounting bracket for these is pretty nice.

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post #70 of 703
2/25/11 at 7:47pm
Nice. Some avsers will be very happy. I love the JBL gear that I'm running.
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post #71 of 703
2/25/11 at 7:51pm
Awesome. Might have to pick up a pair of surrounds to run in the garage. They look good.

Erich you are crazy.
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post #72 of 703
2/25/11 at 8:02pm
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As mentioned, this JBL thing was unexpected. I was actually in the process of what I thought was the craziest audio thing I've done in a while.

Luckily I got them both done this week, but I can't speak of the other for a little while. Clear as mud huh? Good, that's the way it should be for now!


By the way, I got to the guys place today around 2:15 or 2:30. Believe it or not, we got the 26' truck loaded front to back and emptied at my shop by about 5:45 or so. There was a guy helping load the truck, but just my friend and I unloading it. Oddly enough, If there were just 2 more cabinets, I would've had to go back down. That's how full the truck was!
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post #73 of 703
2/25/11 at 8:10pm
Pencil me in for three of the dual 15" units. 2226 in those right?

What a good horn+cd combo for a 12x18' room?
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post #74 of 703
2/25/11 at 8:41pm
Would you have 3 of the 2447 CD's available yet with the horns? If so how much?
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post #75 of 703
2/25/11 at 8:48pm
Man, you scored big time, congrats! I don't really need speakers now, so can I make fun of your couch..... ;-)
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post #76 of 703
2/25/11 at 9:00pm
Eric,

I am ready to go for 3 of the 2442H 18" (accordion surround) drivers. Let me know.

May get some horns
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post #77 of 703
2/25/11 at 9:07pm
Damn what a score!

If I didnt live across the border I would jump on 4 of those surrounds.
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post #78 of 703
2/25/11 at 9:15pm
Wow, Erich, I get excited just reading through this. Do all the surrounds look like that under the grills, clean wise? If so I might grab 4 instead.
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post #79 of 703
2/25/11 at 9:37pm
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Originally Posted by floridapoolboy View Post

Man, you scored big time, congrats! I don't really need speakers now, so can I make fun of your couch..... ;-)

I just wrote your name down on "The List"!


Guys, I'll try to look through most of the stuff tomorrow. The accordion style 18's seem to be in high demand and I know there won't be enough to go around. So I need to go back through my PM's and other posts to see who asked for what and when. There's only 2 of the bigger compression drivers and those were bought with the big 31" horn and throat. That's the way I had to buy those. Had I found out about this deal a few weeks ago, I would have had 30. Stinks.

I might be able to get one more because the guy I initially talked to on Craigslist said he had one. He probably still does.

I'm also assuming most of you guys are going to want just the drivers and not the enclosures? These big cabinets weigh a lot, so they would have to be shipped on a pallet if you went that route.


As for the surrounds, some of you might only want the drivers, crossover, and terminal plate. Much cheaper shipping because going by the PDF, they weigh 31 lbs each. Plus, you could build cabinets that were a mirror image of each other. If you were going to run them full range, it might be best to rebuild so they could be tuned lower or sealed. They might be tuned higher because they were used as surrounds crossed at 80hz or so. But that's just a guess.

I don't mind taking them out of their enclosure and shipping them. With the right box, I might be able to get quite a few kits in each one.


Man I wish I knew about this deal last month. I almost feel bad!
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post #80 of 703
2/25/11 at 10:32pm
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

WARNING!!!!! Anyone that makes fun of the ugly couch gets NO speakers! Nada!!! When I moved in my sister and my girlfriend at the time picked it out. The room was a different color, but still....bad. I don't have a TV, so I rarely go in this room unless I listen to music. Some day they will get replaced.

Couch, what couch? I am having a hard time looking past that Makita Impact Driver Does that put me near the top of the list?
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post #81 of 703
2/25/11 at 10:50pm
Erich,

As I stated in an earlier post, I am in for 2 pairs of the surrounds.

Thank you so much for all the work you have done.
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post #82 of 703
2/25/11 at 11:54pm
put me down for 4 of the surrounds!! maybe 6!
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post #83 of 703
2/26/11 at 12:06am
Here's some info on the 8330's:

Link to technical manual with x-over: http://www.jblproservice.com/pdf/The...eries/8330.pdf courtesy zilch pages.
Link to cutsheet and waterfall: http://www.jblpro.com/pub/cinema/8330.pdf
Industrial Series
Key Features:
- 40 Hz to 20 kHz Frequency Range 91 dB SPL 1 W, 1 m (3.3 ft)
- 100 W Power Capacity, continuous pink noise

Components:
-203 mm (8 in) low frequency loudspeaker
-130 mm (5 in) midrange loudspeaker
-25 mm (1 in) high frequency dome radiator
- Tight-cluster design of components for uniform horizontal and vertical dispersion
- In-cabinet mounting hardware accepts Omnimount® or wall brackets for fast installation
- Approved by Lucasfilm, Ltd. for THX® installation
- Switchable crossover network allows SMPTE/ISO2969 Curve X high frequency de-emphasis for cinema surround installations or flat response for foreground applications
- Special cabinet shape incorporates angled front baffle ( — 15°) for most common aiming angle
- Input terminals and crossover switch located on top of cabinet for quick access

The JBL Industrial Series Model 8330 loudspeaker system offers sound contractors and audio system designers a professional quality alternative to conven- tional “foreground music” speakers.
Its wideband response and high reliability make it ideal for use as a theatre surround, and in retail establishments, restaurants, lounges and other commercial applications.
The three-way system features a 200 mm (8 in) low fre- quency driver for smooth, extended bass response, a 130 mm (5 in) midrange transducer for the critical midrange frequencies, and a 25 mm (2 in) titanium-laminate dome tweeter to provide broad, even coverage of the high fre- quencies.
A dual-purpose, switchable crossover network makes the Model 8330 ideal for both cinema surround and commercial foreground music installations such as restaurants, retail establishments, and lounges.
The special tight-cluster arrangement of the transducers, in conjunc- tion with the crossover network design, provides uniform polar response in both the horizontal and vertical planes.
The enclosure is constructed of dense stock in a unique cabinet shape which reduces internal resonances while providing a U-degree down aiming angle for the trans- ducers.
The location of the crossover network on the top panel permits easy access to the network switch and input terminals, subsequent to speaker mounting. Six internal “T” nuts allow quick attachment of Omnimount or other mounting hardware without opening the cabinet. Enclo- sure finish is satin black vinyl, with a dark grey grille.

The Model 8330 offers many of the same design features found in JBL’s prestigious line of studio monitors.
The crossover network has bypass capacitors wired in parallel with the larger active capacitor values in the circuit to reduce hysteresis effects on the signal. This provides improved resolution of complex transient waveforms. The woofer and midrange cones utilize a laminated high poly- mer composite which provides a combination of optimum stiffness, mass, and internal damping to ensure that the cone behaves more like a true piston.
The tweeter dome is laminated with vapor deposited titanium in order to obtain both the structural integrity of a “hard” dome and the damping characteristics of a traditional soft dome. A unique acoustic “contact lens” is an integral part of the tweeter design, and provides flatter high-frequency response by shadowing the center section of the dome.

Built to traditional JBL standards of quality and preci- sion, the loudspeakers are subjected to stringent tests to ensure that the materials and adhesives will stand up to long-term use under adverse conditions.
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post #84 of 703
2/26/11 at 1:52am


Good lord, Erich! Wow.
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post #85 of 703
2/26/11 at 6:24am
Definitely in for the surrounds. PM me when you are ready to do the deal.
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post #86 of 703
2/26/11 at 7:24am
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I've gotten some emails about the pricing. I think it's all scattered through this thread as it went along. I'll try to gather it all up at some point, but it is there. As mentioned somewhere, he lowered the surround speakers a bit cheaper than originally thought along with the 18" with a hole, and the ones with the rolled surround. But the seller and I estimated 6 with the rolled surround because it was hard to tell because of how they were sitting. So if there are only 4, then that means we'll have two accordion style 18's priced the same as the rolled ones. I won't know that until later.


There were some cheap boxes on Craigslist about 3 weeks ago for the small items in the current waveguide group buy. I might be able to fit components from the surround speakers in those.

The money from the "free" 6 surround speakers could go towards boxes for the other items. As said earlier, I'm not going to be asking for anything to pack the stuff or ship it as long as you give me a little time. I'm pretty fast anyway.

The problem is that I run a small landscape business and we get busy in about a week or two. So whatever I don't get removed from the boxes by then will have to be done on rain days. It's spring, so it rains a lot anyway. I don't see a problem. I'm just glad this happened now and not in a few weeks.


If there is an extra cost, here's where it will be: If someone needs something shipped on a skid. I do have a few free skids at my shop. But shipping those takes a lot of shrink wrap and I have to drive it to a different drop off area. The smaller boxes can be dropped off right up the street, so that's no big deal to me. So we would have to figure shrink wrap, and maybe an hour of time. Or maybe you could send me a Bluray or something!
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post #87 of 703
2/26/11 at 7:43am
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Guys, my PM box here is slammed because as luck would have it, the waveguides, flat packs and this are all going to happen at about the same time. Yikes. But it's fun, so no complaints. I actually enjoy it, just bare with me a little.

If you post it here, I'll find it and will reply. If you only send a PM, I'll hopefully have the room to keep it in there. But if you don't post it here, it might be best to contact me through:

http://www.diysoundgroup.com/

I can have a lot of emails in that account and I can put them in different folders to track everything better. I may put up a group buy page for this stuff, but not sure it's necessary.
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post #88 of 703
2/26/11 at 8:34am
I sent you a pm in which you replied, but I will post here also.
Parts and drivers for 4 surrounds, and parts and drivers for 4 of the 15's 2226(x-overs if there are any).
2 of the smaller horns with their cd if still available.

Thanks again Erich.
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post #89 of 703
2/26/11 at 8:59am
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Someone just sent me this link showing the price and info:

http://www.performanceaudio.com/cgi/...oducts_id=1267


Man, I tell you, I was literally 1 week away from getting 30 of those for under $500 each!!! Almost brings a tear to my eyes......almost. When I went there 2 days ago he had the big compression drivers boxed up with shipping labels (I explained that story earlier). I got the last 2 complete horns with those big drivers. But I did get the empty big horns and throats.

Can you imagine if I had known 2 weeks ago? Everyone could have gotten hooked up for super cheap! Oh well.
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post #90 of 703
2/26/11 at 9:32am
Erich,

It might be time to join the AVS club man. It dramatically increases the pm box size. I did last night because my pm box has been continuously full for the last couple of weeks. It was driving me nuts. It's $25 for a year. You can also list stuff for sale for free ,which in light of your recent acquisitions...
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