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post #1 of 35
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Why does plasmas do a double image on 30fps games etc?
Is the response time just too fast?
post #2 of 35
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Bump
post #3 of 35
TBH I don't know the technical reasons, and I haven't seen anyone else properly describe why it happens, but don't worry, it happens to every TV. Even the KUROs have the double image from 30fps games, it's just a side effect of the game, not the TV
post #4 of 35
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Phew
Cause before i thought it was motion blur but on a closer look i saw there was a double image. Really annoying, i hope they make 60fps only games in the future
post #5 of 35
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Is double images on 30fps games making anyone else insane? xD
It really is annoying
post #6 of 35
30fps games have only recently become annoying to look at, because everyone now owns 40" screen TVs and bigger, and the resolution is becoming sharper... Back when everyone had 17" CRTs, no one cared, because the "double image" effect wasn't smeared 2-inches across the small screen. What game are you playing anyway
post #7 of 35
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Haha, alot of 30fps games.
post #8 of 35
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Is this called 'judder'?
Every 30fps game seems unplayable with a plasma lol.. Should i just go LCD next time i buy a TV?
post #9 of 35
LCD doesn't fix the problem. With LCD get blur or you can use frame interpoation but that adds a lot more input lag plus artifacts. If you use game mode on LCD, frame interpoation is the first thing to go. Your only hope is to switch to pc gaming and run all your games at higher frame-rates.
post #10 of 35
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Originally Posted by Pyrothermia View Post

Is this called 'judder'?
Every 30fps game seems unplayable with a plasma lol.. Should i just go LCD next time i buy a TV?

Try forcing 1080i
post #11 of 35
Which games specifically are you talking about? I just got a Plasma and don't notice this.
post #12 of 35
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Here is a video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nRf0...el_video_title

I play Heavy Rain, God of war 3, Killzone 2 and 3, Dead Space 2
post #13 of 35
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This thing is driving me crazy xD
How can you all play 30fps games on a plasma and not see it?
post #14 of 35
i'm on a LG plasma and don't know what you're talking about.
post #15 of 35
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:s
post #16 of 35
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What should i do?
Is this really normal?
Everyone i asked say they don't see this stuff,
post #17 of 35
What you are seeing is most likely the games fault, not the TV. I've played most of the games you listed on my LG 50PK550 (Killzone 2 and 3, Heavy Rain, Dead Space 2 and also RE5 which you showed in the video), and while it is noticeable if I look for it, I typically am more focused on the game. Story is more important to me than graphics, and I can deal with things like lack of V-Sync or low textures if I find the game appealing enough.

This is likely a limitation of technology. If you find it really bothersome, you may want to consider going to PC gaming. You aren't going to find 60fps games becoming the norm on the current gen consoles. There hasn't really been talk of next gen consoles coming out in the near future. Probably not until 2013 at the earliest.

While it may be an issue to you, you're overreacting a bit in my opinion. It does not make the games unplayable for the majority of people (on AVS included). I would think DLP rainbows or ghosting in stereoscopic 3D games to more of a deterrent than a minor amount of judder.
post #18 of 35
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Alright, hopefully it will diminish a bit in time. But it is normal right?
It is just really annoying for me coming from a CRT that had no problems and it was very small, so when i got the big TV i saw all the flaws.
post #19 of 35
Some 30fps games are using frame blending techniques to make the framerate seem smoother. It has nothing to do with your display.

RE5, in particular, is known for this. It seems you've noticed that.
post #20 of 35
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I don't even have RE5, it was a video i found haha.
For example playing Dead Space 2, panning around while you see text or other things i can see the double image that looks like blur.
post #21 of 35
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Originally Posted by Pyrothermia View Post

Alright, hopefully it will diminish a bit in time. But it is normal right?
It is just really annoying for me coming from a CRT that had no problems and it was very small, so when i got the big TV i saw all the flaws.

I noticed the same thing going from a 34" CRT to LCD & Plasma but I got used to it, nothing out there is better than a CRT when it comes to motion clarity.
post #22 of 35
IIRC a lot of game have Motion Blur, which is a filter in the game that makes thing blurry when the picture moves. I remember for example i had this on Crysis (PC) so it is not console only. It also annoyed me somehow so i disabled it in the settings, not sure if you can do that on a console.
post #23 of 35
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Originally Posted by Noah View Post

Some 30fps games are using frame blending techniques to make the framerate seem smoother. It has nothing to do with your display.

RE5, in particular, is known for this. It seems you've noticed that.

Also a good point .. I recorded this video off a CRT and you can see the frame doubling effect used in RE5 when panning the camera http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzCapovsAnc
post #24 of 35
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Thing is i notice this double image on all 30fps games, never saw it on my LCD
Alot of people say they don't even see it.
Can someone tell me if this is normal for all 30fps games on a plasma or if it is a defective TV or something?
post #25 of 35
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Originally Posted by Pyrothermia View Post

Thing is i notice this double image on all 30fps games, never saw it on my LCD
Alot of people say they don't even see it.
Can someone tell me if this is normal for all 30fps games on a plasma or if it is a defective TV or something?

How many times are you going to ask the same question? It has been answered many times in your many threads.
post #26 of 35
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Originally Posted by jvernon View Post

How many times are you going to ask the same question? It has been answered many times in your many threads.

post #27 of 35
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Why are plasma "oh-so-good" for gaming when 30fps games looks like crap? Majority of games are 30fps.
post #28 of 35
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Originally Posted by Pyrothermia
Why are plasma "oh-so-good" for gaming when 30fps games looks like crap? Majority of games are 30fps.
It happens in all 30 fps games, regardless of display type. Because of inherent motion blur on LCD it is less noticeable. If you want smooth motion. Be prepared to pay for it in input lag, typical motion interpolation systems add tons, making games mostly unplayable.
post #29 of 35
joe, there is no point in trying to help him. Do a quick post search and you will see he repeatedly asks the same question over and over.
post #30 of 35
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Originally Posted by Pyrothermia View Post

Why are plasma "oh-so-good" for gaming when 30fps games looks like crap? Majority of games are 30fps.

Because plasmas offer less input lag and better motion handling over an LCD. If a game looks like crap on a plasma then it will still look like crap on an LCD. I don't know how that's so hard to understand.

If it annoys you then sell your TV and get something that you'd prefer. But posting redundant questions on the same issue even though it's been answered more than a few times is not helping your cause.
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