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post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
This year I'm putting together my home theater. The first component I want to get in order is the audio, so here I am. I was first tempted to get a Bose Lifestyle T20 due to my lack of audio knowledge, but after perusing forums like it seems that'd be a terrible mistake. Instead I've decided I'll budget $2k towards a system and that's my reference I want to beat.

Right now I'm thinking of:
  • SVS PB10-NSD sub($499)
  • SVS SCS-02M Front three set ($568)
  • SVS SBS-02 rears ($269)
  • Denon AVR-1911 7.1 Reciever ($390)

Throwing in some speaker wire, a couple speaker stands and shipping, the total should be right at $2k. Got any advice, see any issues?

Outside of the 2k budget, other things to mention are:
  • Room is about 22'x22'
  • Mostly for movies and tv viewing, games and music are an afterthought
  • This is for a house, but I'm not a high volume listener, I'm not looking for neighbors walking by to hear my movies

Thanks in advance for any feedback!
post #2 of 11
First, kudos for educating yourself before buying. Not all of us were that smart when we first started.

You're definitely correct to ditch the Bose in favor of better quality for the price. Your choices above are pretty strong. Though I've not heard those speakers, people speak highly of SVS. Ultimately, it will need to be your ears that decide.

Some other brands you may consider: Aperion (I'm biased...I love my Aperions), Emotiva, DefTech, Axiom.

The only possible issue I could see is that in your room size, being a larger room, your sub may not kick as hard as you like. Takes a lot of sub to move that much air, so you may want to add a second down the line. If the room is more of a "great room" that shares with something else (like the kitchen), and the "theater" part will only be a portion, you should be in pretty good shape.

Good luck in whatever you decide, and welcome.
post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the pointers, I remeasured my room and it's 20'x22'. I've been leaning towards the SVS models as they seem to be right in my price range for 2k total with 1600 left for speakers. Those Aperions look nice, definitely something I'd consider. Do you think I could piece together a system that'd fit my room for under 1600?

For $100 I could bump the sub up to a 12" model if that'd help. I'd consider piecing a system together over a year, but I'm afraid about mismatching sounds. Since I don't plan on using this for music listening, would a couple towers be something I should even consider?

Two other questions I have is what sort of wire should I get and are any wireless speakers worth considering? My room has tile floor, vaulted ceiling with no attic, and multiple things to route around (hallway, front door, french doors, stone fireplace), making hiding wires difficult. I'm willing to suffer through routing some wires and a little eyesore, but wireless speakers could really be handy. I notice Aperion has $500 set of rear wireless speakers, would you recommend those? I see my Aperion system being something like:
  • Aperion Zona Wireless surround (500)
  • 2xIntimus 4B satellite (260)
  • Intimus 4C (160)
  • Bravus 8A sub (320)

That gets me to 1240, so I could probably stand to upgrade a couple of those components.
post #4 of 11
Well...a couple things:

First, with any Aperion offering, you get a 30-day in-home trial, with free shipping both ways. So if you try something and don't like it, you just send it back to them. Also, Aperion has a 1-year trade-up program so you can exchange your speakers if you want to upgrade in the future (subs excluded, so buy the biggest one you want now).

I know that piecing together a system over time isn't as fun, but personally, that's the way I would go. Consider going 2.0, then adding a sub for 2.1, then center 3.1, then surrounds 5.1. You get better quality right away, and end up satisfying the upgrade bug by adding to your setup with equal quality, instead of buying a full 5.1 setup, and then replacing every speaker when you upgrade. Make sense? This applies mostly to brands OTHER than Aperion (because the trade-up program pretty much nulls that argument).

I wouldn't go 4-series up front in your size room. Those 4B's and 8A would get swallowed by your room. The SVS example is a better one for the same price, in terms of being able to fill up the room. But, if you went with my above suggestion to piece it together over time, here are some possible combinations:

2 x Verus Forte tower (If you like towers...$1000)
1 x SVS 12-inch sub ($600...I would definitely upgrade the sub to a 12 for your room)

A great 2.1 start for your $1600. Or:

2 x Verus Grand Bookshelves ($600)
1 x Verus Forte Center ($350)
1 x SVS Sub ($600)

A great 3.1 start for $1550. If you wanted to add towers down the line, you could move the bookshelves to the rear. Or add the wireless option for surrounds.

If you stay within the same brand, and even the same line (Verus, in the examples I gave above), you'll have no trouble with mismatched sounds. As long as the front three match as close as possible, you can get it to sound great. And the Audyssey on your receiver will help out on that front, too.

I would go Monoprice for wiring. Whether their normal, flat, in-wall...whatever...they have great options for not a lot of dough.

Down the road, you'll want to think about adding a rug and room acoustic treatments to help tame some of the wicked reflections your room will likely have.

Remember...this is only one guy's opinion. Try some stuff and let your ears decide. That's why I like recommending Aperion, as it's a risk-free way to give your ears another option to consider.
post #5 of 11
Thread Starter 
Interesting idea on the upgrade over time option. Was the omission of mentioning the wireless speakers your way of saying they'd be a bad idea? Admittedly, I have an old Samsung HTIB, could I use probably use those speakers for surrounds in the interim?

I'm curious how towers rank in a home theater setup. I was under the impression it's good to have the center be the most powerful channel for the home theater, would towers compromise that? I actually like the idea of towers otherwise, I'll likely be sticking all my speakers on stands.

I'm terrible at returning anything, odds are extremely high I'll keep whatever I first get for the next 5 years so long as it sounds good, part of the reason I'm wanting to do good research up front.

With the prices I'm still considering the SVS, especially if towers are practical, I think they have a 30 day return policy where you're just out shipping and I've yet to run across bad reviews. On the other hand, that Aperion Verus Center and Grand bookshelves would be viable.

At the very least I'll be using monoprice and snagging a 12" sub now, thanks for sharing your opinions.
post #6 of 11
The problem with research is that you can't research how speakers sound without hearing them. At some point, you'll have to just pick something and see if you like it. Can't really help you, though, if you won't return things you don't like.

The omission of the wireless speakers was simply because I've never heard them, but more importantly, don't feel like surrounds should take up so much of your budget. $500 out of $1600 for surrounds is silly, in my opinion. I think they're a great choice if you use your current budget to build over time, and add them later as you build up your front three in quality.

I wouldn't say towers "rank" in any particular way as far as home theater goes. They do help fill up larger rooms, but in spite of my current setup, I'm actually a bigger fan of bookshelves with a great sub. Only get towers if that's your personal preference. A center is important for HT, yes, which is why you don't want a small one in your size of room, but as far as "overpowering" goes, Audyssey will compensate for that.
post #7 of 11
I have owned and auditioned many speakers and ended up buying the SVS SCS-01 speakers for my mains. Very happy with them. They are very well balanced (nice sound stage, play clean, are not fatiguing, etc. My room was smaller (approx 18x16), but was an open room to a much larger space (18x18) and I never had any issues getting the sound to play clean at higher levels. I did not detect any clipping or distortion (at least noticeable) in the 90+db range (which is pretty loud).

If you are not a high volume listener I would not worry to much about these speakers being able to play loud enough. How far away do you sit from your speakers?

There are lots of choices out there. But I felt SVS offered a great balance for the money and their customer service is awesome. That said we just moved and my new room is massive (32'x19') and I am looking at some other options (the room is being built but I am looking at something that plays at reference levels and packs more of a punch. I am going to do another speaker audition with the SVS speakers and may end up stepping up to the SVS towers or another brand.
post #8 of 11
Thread Starter 
Yeah, not returning things is silly, for this price and the customer service these companies seem to have, I'll try to be more critical.

I'm not married, so I'll probably just deal with the wires however then. I think I've got my heart too set on the SVS to swap at this point, they fit my budget. I'm already going to string out a new TV, sectional and HTPC before I'd get to do speaker upgrades.

Definitely not a high volume listener unless I've drank a few too many. I'll sit around 14' from the screen. Sounds like I'll stick with the bookshelves and bump my subwoofer up to a 12".

Would bipoles make a worthy difference for surrounds? I could get those for 130 more (SSS-02 $400). Thanks for your advice!
post #9 of 11
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Originally Posted by tabernak View Post

Yeah, not returning things is silly, for this price and the customer service these companies seem to have, I'll try to be more critical.

I'm not married, so I'll probably just deal with the wires however then. I think I've got my heart too set on the SVS to swap at this point, they fit my budget. I'm already going to string out a new TV, sectional and HTPC before I'd get to do speaker upgrades.

Definitely not a high volume listener unless I've drank a few too many. I'll sit around 14' from the screen. Sounds like I'll stick with the bookshelves and bump my subwoofer up to a 12".

Would bipoles make a worthy difference for surrounds? I could get those for 130 more (SSS-02 $400). Thanks for your advice!

I definitely recommend the biggest subwoofer you can buy. Or two

I would call SVS and ask them about the bipoles. I called them several times to discuss questions I had and they were very helpful.
post #10 of 11
If you have the ability to properly place the dipoles, they'd be a better effect for surrounds, yes.
post #11 of 11
Thread Starter 
Funny you mention how helpful SVS is, I read similar advice in a different thread and just sent them an email a couple hours ago to see what they'd recommend.

I also started researching proper speaker placement and distance from screen. I actually might sorta divide my room up in 2 areas so I can sit close enough to use a 55-60" tv. Maybe just throw a foosball table and chair on one end of the room. That also keeps me from routing wire around a stone fire place and front door. Then I could put dipoles to the sides of the prime sitting spot and I could always add a couple back channels for a 7.1 system someday too. I'm assuming the THX layout is a good reference:
http://www.thx.com/consumer/home-ent...peaker-set-up/
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