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post #2371 of 3757
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Originally Posted by bbbobbb View Post

Boom! HD Grammy's finally, only an hour or so late....somebody got the hamsters spinning their wheels again....

Yeah, but man, some of those scenes looked horrible. This had to be the worst HD presentation I've ever seen.
post #2372 of 3757
From today's Arizona Daily Star


Customers critical of Cox HD; company says more is coming
Availability part of debate over public access
By Rob O'Dell
Arizona Daily Star
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 02.12.2007
advertisementCox Communications often portrays its cable franchise negotiations with Tucson as a simple trade-off: less public access channels for more high-definition offerings.
Company executives contend cutting public access channels will open up bandwidth for more high-def (HD) channels in the next few years.
But many Cox customers are criticizing the company for not practicing now what it is preaching for the future.
Wendell Byram, a retired technology executive who lives in Green Valley, said he just moved here from Boise, Idaho, where the HD offerings were much more plentiful from another cable provider.
"It's significantly better and the town is 185,000 people," Byram said. He added, "Wouldn't you think" Tucson would have better offerings as a larger market?
Byram said the offerings in Tucson are limited, although he thinks Cox could provide more HD channels if it really wanted to. He said the issue holding the company back is probably money.
Robert Bishop, a retired engineer in Green Valley, has two HD TVs but is cutting Cox's HD service on one of them because of the high costs involved.
"There's not enough HD programming and they're raising rates," Bishop said. "It's crazy."
Cox counters that it has steadily added HD channels over time, announcing Friday that the company has just signed a deal to have the local NBC affiliate, KVOA, available in high-definition.
"We've already contracted for PBS, CBS and ABC," said Anne Doris, Cox's vice president for Southern Arizona. "We've just recently inked an agreement with KVOA."
KVOA President and General Manager Gary Nielsen confirmed the agreement and said he hoped KVOA could be on in HD by mid-March.
For a long time, Cox only offered one local broadcast channel in high-definition: CBS affiliate KOLD. Then, in November, the company began offering ABC affiliate KGUN in HD on the eve of the giant Michigan-Ohio State football game broadcast on that channel.
Doris said Cox's HD lineup depends on contractual agreements it has signed with the content providers. It offers as many HD channels as it has contracts for, Doris said.
For example, it doesn't have FOX in HD because the company is negotiating with Fox on a contract to deliver the programming.
Those negotiations are happening at the national level, Doris said. Fox 11 General Manager Tod Smith said the same, adding it's mainly talks between each company's headquarters.
Joe Curry, a Sahuarita software technician, said Cox's HD channel lineup is inferior for one reason money.
"I'm sure the issue is money. They don't want to pay subscription fees for the high-def programming," Curry said.
Curry doesn't buy Cox's bandwidth argument, saying, "They've got the bandwidth to get high-def channels."
Doris said Cox "intends to have at least two more broadcast channels in HD" regardless of when it settles its cable franchise renewal with the city. Negotiations broke down last month, with the number of public access channels being the main stumbling block.
The city vowed to take Cox through the time-consuming and expensive federal license-renewal process, while Cox helped introduce a bill in the Arizona Legislature that would dictate the license renewal terms to the city.
Doris said just because there is the bandwidth available to provide more HD channels now, that "doesn't mean we won't need more in the future.
"We need the bandwidth to accommodate that," Doris said.
That's why Cox wants to reduce the number of public access channels, she said, because those channels limit Cox's bandwidth and future opportunities for HD channels. "Our bandwidth challenges are real challenges," Doris said.
But Sahuarita customer Curry said that if the city is going to allow Cox to drop the public access channels, it needs to extract concessions on the HD channels Cox says are right around the corner.
"They need to make sure they are required to upgrade their HD channel lineup," Curry said. "And make them stick to their schedule to bring them online."
‚óŹ Contact reporter Rob O'Dell at 573-4240 or rodell@azstarnet.com.
post #2373 of 3757
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Originally Posted by toastyfries View Post

Yeah, but man, some of those scenes looked horrible. This had to be the worst HD presentation I've ever seen.

To be fair, before anybody blames KOLD for that, it's not entirely KOLD's fault. There were numerous scenes with lots of flashing lights (strobes and such). Those are hell on MPEG2 compression, which normally only has to deal with less than 1/3 of the picture changing at any given time. Get a stage full of strobes, and every pixel of the image starts going from dark to light and back again, sometimes multiple times per second.

Same thing with the confetti (I think during the Chili Peppers?). The tighter shots were half confetti, which was quickly moving across the screen, making every shot go from dark, to light, to dark, to light...

The director at the Grammy's should be aware of these kinds of things and should have brought it up during rehearsal top have them tone it down. Failing that, he could have cut back to more long shots.

Even if KOLD didn't have the subchannels and devoted the full alloted bandwidth to the Grammy's (like the Super Bowl), those shots still would have looked horrible.

The delay getting the HD feed turned on, though... That seems to be entirely KOLD's fault.
post #2374 of 3757
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Originally Posted by bbbobbb View Post

Boom! HD Grammy's finally, only an hour or so late....somebody got the hamsters spinning their wheels again....

I called the news desk at about 7:05, she checked with the control room and said they said it would be HD in 10 - 15 minutes, took them an hour but it finally started working. I called back at that time and asked to be transferred to the head control room person's voice mail at the station and it just rang and rang and never went to voice mail. Left another message for the Chief Engineer instead.

KOLD hasn't kept their DTV and HD broadcast up to the same level as the other stations in town for years now, and apparently nothings going to change that until they are forced to rely on it like their analog broadcast. The signal at least seems to be bit more reliable now than when it would go out everytime there was precipitation in the area, but HD is still a crapshoot when it's a recorded program as opposed to a live sports event. Luckily things were working well for the Super Bowl.
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I live in downtown Tucson. I'm pretty fed up with Cox and have been thinking of dropping them for a while. Last weekend I purchased an outdoor antenna with a signal booster, went to antenna web and mounted it facing Mt. Bigelow.

I'm having a couple of problems. First of all I have two HD TVs but one is a couple years old and only has an NTSC tuner. I can wait a month or so and purchase a DVD player with an ATSC tuner through which I can run my antenna cable. I haven't tried my other TV yet, but it's newer and I (hope) has an ATSC tuner. I can't seem to find out from the manual. It's a Sharp LC-42D62U

Anyway, the bigger problem is I get pretty good reception from PBS (6), ABC (9), and CBS (13). I pick up Fox better on 50 than 11, and get poor reception from NBC on 4 and ghosts on 64. I've played with the direction of the antenna but nothing seems to really help.

This confuses me because I think they all use the same antenna tower on Mt. Bigelow. I assume channels 50 and 64 are bouncing from somewhere else.

Can anyone tell me how I can pick up good OTA signals, preferably HD from downtown?

Thanks in advance

McGinty
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http://www.sharpusa.com/products/Mod...8,1761,00.html

Your Sharp has an ATSC tuner it appears. With an outdoor antenna in downtown Tucson you'll be able to get all the HD signals OTA without problems, once hooked up to an ATSC tuner. Analog reception is much more fickle than digital. With digital, once it locks you'll get the best signal possible. Also the digitals in Tucson are on the UHF frequencies and the major analogs are VHF, so they'll require different antenna types.

I haven't seen a DVD player with ATSC tuner, but I haven't looked for them either. You should be able to get an ATSC STB from Ebay for < $100 for your second HDTV.
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Thanks, that helped. I connected to my newer Sharp and sure enough picked up the local analog and especially digital and HD channels really well.

I also realized I have an old Samsung SIR-TS360 DirectTV HD Receiver. It says I can set up and receive local channels even if I don't subscribe to DirecTV, which I no longer do. However, when I connect it it searches for satellite reception and of course fails. it then does not give me an option in the setup menu to search for OTA signals. Any suggestions or do I need to simply purchase another HD Receiver for my other television?

Thanks again.

McGinty
post #2378 of 3757
I don't know know about that receiver. If it's possible then I'm sure you'll find it searching on Google and such.
post #2379 of 3757
Anyone here using the HR20-700 by DirecTV? I'm having "issues" with KGUN and audio drops. Wondering if anyone else is.
post #2380 of 3757
I have the HR20. I presume you are talking about OTA, correct? I can't receive anything via OTA, so I cannot help you, however click this link, and look at userid MikeW's post. It appears it was not the HR20's fault.

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.ph...589#post831589
post #2381 of 3757
I have the HR20-700 and have no dropouts via OTA on KGUN. Now KOLD, that's another story, but it's them and their multiplexing of the digital signals.

Dave
post #2382 of 3757
It must not be station related. I had no issues for the 2 hour 24 episode. Watched According to Jim from the 9:30 KSMB airing and had breakups throughout the show. I'm glad my plan was to use the HR20 as the backup and kept Tivo in the living room. I'm sure the box will be fine in time, it's just not ready to be my main DVR.
post #2383 of 3757
Hello all,

I've been using a Silver Sensor with my DTV Tivo HR10-250 to pull HDTV signals with good results. However, reception lately has been pretty sporadic, and I'm ready to get rid of the indoor antenna on my shelf so I'm looking to go outdoor.

I'm in Rita Ranch and Antenna Web says a yellow antenna will suffice, I'm 22 miles from the sources I want. I'm considering one of the following Channel Masters:

CM3016 Suburban Antenna
CM3010 Stealth Antenna
CM4221 4 bay bowtie
CM4228 8 bay bowtie

Any thoughts on the above models or other recommendations? I've read good things about the CM4228, but is it overkill for my needs? And I'll take performance over looks.

Is there a good source in town for these antenna?

Finally, I have an installation question. I currently have an old Sprint Broadband antenna on the house that isn't being used with wire running down to my cable-in on the house. I was hoping I could just mount one of the above on the the existing mast, hook it up to the existing wiring and send it through the house. There is a coax wallplate in the living room and master bedroom. The cable from the old Sprint antenna to the cable-in is labelled as CATV 18 AWG. Will this work for my intended use?

Thanks everyone for any help!

Sean
post #2384 of 3757
Some of the gurus on the Phoenix HD forum at AVS highly recommend the CM4228 antenna, and yes the coaxial marked CATV 18 AWG is just the stuff you need, I have it newly wired throughout my house.

HTH,

Rich
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Is anyone else having problems with Ch 13-1 ota this morining. I am getting the SD feed over E* but not OTA.
post #2386 of 3757
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Originally Posted by AzGuardGuy View Post

Is anyone else having problems with Ch 13-1 ota this morining. I am getting the SD feed over E* but not OTA.

Blank 13-1 for me, too at 11:12
post #2387 of 3757
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Originally Posted by peters4n6 View Post

Blank 13-1 for me, too at 11:12

now i have sound on 13-1, but no picture at 1:25 Cats are gettign drubbed so I'm not missing much watching in SD
post #2388 of 3757
Even when the picture and audio were on the picture was not in HD.
post #2389 of 3757
We, in Tucson, have a major event next week, covered by NBC/KOLD, the Accenture Match Play Championship. If their coverage of the Nissan LA Open this weekend is any indication, Tucson can be assured of continued relagation relagation as a backwater podunk town. While the Golf Channel managed two days of glorious HD coverage of the Nissan, once KOLD arrived, no sound, SD signal with frequent freezes. What the *ell is going on? Is it to much to ask for to have an HD picture and sound?
post #2390 of 3757
For those of us with Cox, we will get neither the Golf Channel coverage or the NBC coverage in HD.

According to the Daily Star, an agreement has been signed, but Cox will not start providing the signal until sometime in March.
post #2391 of 3757
I think I have finally given up on Cox getting me any more HD content. Looks like I will be signing up with Dish over the next week or two.

The Dish package I am looking at will give me 28 HD channels, I can't imagine how long it will take for Cox to get to that level.
post #2392 of 3757
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Originally Posted by scottsfj40 View Post

I think I have finally given up on Cox getting me any more HD content. Looks like I will be signing up with Dish over the next week or two.

The Dish package I am looking at will give me 28 HD channels, I can't imagine how long it will take for Cox to get to that level.

Well, you know that D* will over 100 HD channels later this year. Also, you might want to find out which one, D* or E* will have locals in HD first. We have them in Pinal with D*, although from Pheonix.
post #2393 of 3757
I wonder how the little mishap with their new satellite will effect their getting new HD channels?
post #2394 of 3757
D* will have 50 new HDs by the end of the year. They'll have the capacity for 150, but there isn't enough content out there to reach that number. I don't think there is even 50 out there.

I prefer DirecTV over Dish because of the ability to record two OTA channels at the same time. If you can get HD OTA, DirecTV is the better choice in the long run. Dish's 622 can only record 1 OTA channel at a time and our locals are not available from them.
post #2395 of 3757
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Originally Posted by scottsfj40 View Post

I wonder how the little mishap with their new satellite will effect their getting new HD channels?

Hmm, hadn't heard about that???
post #2396 of 3757
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Originally Posted by gworkman View Post

D* will have 50 new HDs by the end of the year. They'll have the capacity for 150, but there isn't enough content out there to reach that number. I don't think there is even 50 out there.

I have read several articles indicating that it was going to be 100 HD channels by the end of the year, and one was written by D*, has that changed recently?
post #2397 of 3757
I just read some more about it. It wasn't actually D*'s satellite that exploded, but the company that they had contracted with to launch one of the 2 new ones that had the explosion.

After reading on some of the forums, and some articles in some different HD publications, they are expecting this to delay D* from getting their 100 channels this year.
post #2398 of 3757
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Originally Posted by AzGuardGuy View Post

Is anyone else having problems with Ch 13-1 ota this morining. I am getting the SD feed over E* but not OTA.

Yep KOLD was at it again yesterday and Friday night with their lame OTA DTV broadcast. HD didn't start Fri night until 8 instead of 7, yesterday the whole Cats game was a mess and golf was too, it was in HD for about 1/2 hour, the rest of the 3 hrs was SD with and without sound or with sound that was a full second out of sync with the video. I haven't checked it yet today I record stuff and watch it later. Maybe we can all try calling CBS to let them know the HD content the network is spending a lot of money on to provide is being bastardized by their local affiliate and we're not getting it in HD. Maybe they can fine KOLD or at least put some pressure on them to get their duct taped broken down POS system fixed once and for all. I think we are one of the 30 or 50 top markets in the country, it's not like we just got DTV OTA started up a few months ago.
post #2399 of 3757
Just ordered Dish. Direct was not willing to give me any sort of special offers since I had been a customer 6 or 7 years ago, I didn't seem to qualify for the new customer only stuff.

Got a great deal from Dish and it will be installed next weekend. Would be sooner but I will be out of town for work this coming week.
post #2400 of 3757
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Originally Posted by scottsfj40 View Post

Just ordered Dish. Direct was not willing to give me any sort of special offers since I had been a customer 6 or 7 years ago, I didn't seem to qualify for the new customer only stuff.

Got a great deal from Dish and it will be installed next weekend. Would be sooner but I will be out of town for work this coming week.

Should have had your wife (if you have one) call and get the deals, that's what I did this latest sign-up. Got one HR20 for $99, and the other for free (the installer was suppose to take my HR10 in exchange, but he forgot).
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