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post #151 of 701
Barry @ WYOU/WBRE
has not yet responded to my email from 10/23

I'll send another and see if I can get any more info
dave
post #152 of 701
Quote:


Originally posted by dwmoss
Barry @ WYOU/WBRE
has not yet responded to my email from 10/23

I'll send another and see if I can get any more info
dave

As of late last week they still had quite a bit of work to go, like maybe another week or so.

- Stu -
post #153 of 701
stu,

thanks for the info
dave
post #154 of 701
Quote:


Originally posted by dwmoss
Barry @ WYOU/WBRE
has not yet responded to my email from 10/23

I'll send another and see if I can get any more info
dave

Dave,
Beginning this weekend the transmitter will be on at noon Saturday and Sunday. I think you were one of the viewers who wanted the College FB on, if I remember correctly????

- Stu -
post #155 of 701
Stu,

Thats great news!!!
And you are correct, that I'm interested in being able to watch the college football games digitally.

I can't wait until ABC is filming these games in 720p!!

Last night while watching some both George Lopez and the show before it.. forget the names... i again noticed a decreased volume on 16-1.

Using my handy dandy Radio Shack sound level meter I noticed a 4 dB drop on 16-1. This was compared to channel 16 (analog)

thanks again for the football.

Dave
post #156 of 701
Quote:


Originally posted by dwmoss
Stu,

Thats great news!!!
And you are correct, that I'm interested in being able to watch the college football games digitally.

I can't wait until ABC is filming these games in 720p!!

Last night while watching some both George Lopez and the show before it.. forget the names... i again noticed a decreased volume on 16-1.

Using my handy dandy Radio Shack sound level meter I noticed a 4 dB drop on 16-1. This was compared to channel 16 (analog)

thanks again for the football.

Dave

Dave,
Is the ABC HD audio lower or higher than the upconverted audio? I'm getting some equipment that will allow me to better measure the Dolby levels.

- Stu -
post #157 of 701
stu,

i didn't check the difference in the upconverted audio on 16-1 to the pass through 720p audio on 16-1.

last night the 720p passthrough audio for about 4 dB lower then the analog WNEP. Sorry, I can't stand the bachelor so I was out after Lopez!

I will check out to see if I notice a difference between the upconverted sound and the 720p sound

dave
post #158 of 701
Stu,

i still have not check for different sound levels between 720p and up-converted on 16-1, but i did want to thank you for getting the DTV transmissions on earlier on the weekends. Last weekend I enjoyed watching the PSU football game on Saturday. I can't wait until ABC puts their HD cameras at the games, so we can have the real deal instead of the up-converts. The up-converts look great, but I know there is room for improvement.

I've been watching the NHL on HDNET lately and every time, I'm just blown away!!
post #159 of 701
Quote:


Originally posted by dwmoss
Stu,

i still have not check for different sound levels between 720p and up-converted on 16-1, but i did want to thank you for getting the DTV transmissions on earlier on the weekends. Last weekend I enjoyed watching the PSU football game on Saturday. I can't wait until ABC puts their HD cameras at the games, so we can have the real deal instead of the up-converts. The up-converts look great, but I know there is room for improvement.

I've been watching the NHL on HDNET lately and every time, I'm just blown away!!

Ironic you mention HDNET. On Saturday I installed a triple lnb Directv antenna and connected it to my new RCA HDTV with built in Directv receiver. I've been glued to that channel. I especially enjoy the NHL "sights and sounds" segments without the announcers. It's like being at the game!! Also, Showtime has a HDTV channel, with 5.1, that is free with my package for 3 months. (Channel 543)

On another note...Did you happen to tune into 16-1 Sunday evening? I heard that it was 2 hours of a frozen picture.

- Stu -
post #160 of 701
Stu
I was watching and it was frozen from at least 10pm to 11pm, I don't know about before or after that. It was a beautiful picture of Snow White, however....
post #161 of 701
Quote:


Originally posted by lyonsce
Stu
I was watching and it was frozen from at least 10pm to 11pm, I don't know about before or after that. It was a beautiful picture of Snow White, however....

I put in remote monitoring today. That should never happen again...

- Stu -
post #162 of 701
stu,

i find that everything i watch on HDNET just takes my breathe away!! I like how the ABC primetime 720p stuff looks, but the 1080i of HDNET just knocks my socks off. I just get mezmorized watching HDNET!!

Directv also has HBO-HD on 509 you should see if they can't get you a 3 month preview of that as well as showtime on 543

any update on WYOU/WBRE? i still haven't received an email replay from Barry

dmoss
post #163 of 701
Dave,

Can you get the PBS feed? That's 1080i too without any DirecTV compression. I have noticed what you are referring to also when flipping between WVIA and WNEP. Neither look bad, but WVIA looks better. It must be the lower resolution of 720p causing the difference.


Stu,

I haven't been around lately. Been real busy, so I have to ask a few things to get back up to date.
- How is the "green line" problem coming? Any word from the company on a patch yet?
- TitanTV has the WNEP-DT schedule messed up again. Maybe you could point it out to them again.
- Any decision on a 16:9 news broadcast?
- Will Mark have the board up on the web site soon?
- And the $64,000 question, what is going on with WBRE/WYOU?

That about covers it for now. Glad to see that you decided to get DirecTV. I am patiently waiting for the right timing to take the plunge. Going to need about $3,000 for the TV and satellite receiver, and that's after my discount. I trying everyday that I'm there not to just run over and say I'll take it.

Jeff
post #164 of 701
Quote:


Originally posted by dwmoss
stu,

i find that everything i watch on HDNET just takes my breathe away!! I like how the ABC primetime 720p stuff looks, but the 1080i of HDNET just knocks my socks off. I just get mezmorized watching HDNET!!

Directv also has HBO-HD on 509 you should see if they can't get you a 3 month preview of that as well as showtime on 543

any update on WYOU/WBRE? i still haven't received an email replay from Barry

dmoss

Directv is offering free HBO starting Thankgiving day through the weekend. I'll check out their HD channel for sure!!

Haven't heard a thing about WYOU/WBRE.

- Stu -
post #165 of 701
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Originally posted by Jeff Williams
Dave,

Can you get the PBS feed? That's 1080i too without any DirecTV compression. I have noticed what you are referring to also when flipping between WVIA and WNEP. Neither look bad, but WVIA looks better. It must be the lower resolution of 720p causing the difference.


Stu,

I haven't been around lately. Been real busy, so I have to ask a few things to get back up to date.
- How is the "green line" problem coming? Any word from the company on a patch yet?
- TitanTV has the WNEP-DT schedule messed up again. Maybe you could point it out to them again.
- Any decision on a 16:9 news broadcast?
- Will Mark have the board up on the web site soon?
- And the $64,000 question, what is going on with WBRE/WYOU?

That about covers it for now. Glad to see that you decided to get DirecTV. I am patiently waiting for the right timing to take the plunge. Going to need about $3,000 for the TV and satellite receiver, and that's after my discount. I trying everyday that I'm there not to just run over and say I'll take it.

Jeff

Hi Jeff,
Most people cannot tell the difference between 720p and 1080i. It's the videophiles like us that can detect it. One of the reasons ABC choose the format was bandwith. If I were to send out a 1080i signal, the SD channels would have to go to make room. (May have room for 1)

To answer your questions in order:

The encoder moves to version 4 sometime in December. That's the only info I can get from the vendor. Don't know for certain that fixes the green line. They couldn't give me a list of bug fixes.

We contacted TitanTV last week about the duplication of 16-1 and 16-2. Thay said it would be fixed by the 15th. Now I see they added 16-2 and 16-3 with no programming. We'll be calling again this week.

16:9 on the newscast won't happen for a while.

I'll ask Mark tomorrow about the discussion board.

I'll find out tomorrow about the progress over at WYOU/WBRE.

Which HDTV systems are you looking at?

- Stu -
post #166 of 701
Stu,

Thanks for all the updates. I am basically narrowed it down to the Hitachi 51SWX20B (51") for my TV and the Sony HD200 for the DirecTV/OTA receiver. I am sort of happy that it is taking time to come up with the funds because want to see if either DirecTV or Dish will be adding anything new before the end of the year. The rumors of new channels and who will carry them makes me wary of which one to go with. I would like to hear something official before I buy. I am pretty set on the TV, unless I can fit a 57"! I may even plunge for the JVC D-VHS VCR!

Jeff
post #167 of 701
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Originally posted by Jeff Williams
Stu,

Thanks for all the updates. I am basically narrowed it down to the Hitachi 51SWX20B (51") for my TV and the Sony HD200 for the DirecTV/OTA receiver. I am sort of happy that it is taking time to come up with the funds because want to see if either DirecTV or Dish will be adding anything new before the end of the year. The rumors of new channels and who will carry them makes me wary of which one to go with. I would like to hear something official before I buy. I am pretty set on the TV, unless I can fit a 57"! I may even plunge for the JVC D-VHS VCR!

Jeff

My wife and I both agreed the Hitachi had the best picture of the rptv's. But it suffered the same effect as all the rest - poor side angle viewing. We couldn't see us and the kids jockeying for center position to watch a movie together. That's why we went the crt route.

- Stu -
post #168 of 701
stu,

I was watching Monday night football last night. I noticed a large number of pixelation dropouts during the game. Any idea if this is how ABC was sending it to you? I turned the the WVIA 44-1 and did NOT show the same effects. I realise they are at a much higher power then you, but I thought that if I was having problems receiving the signal with my antenna i'd see similar problems with the WVIA feed as I would with yours.

also, any thought if you will try in the future to go to the gray bars instead of the black side bars? I know you tried this before but we had the black line on the edges.

glad to hear that you took the plunge, Jeff - hurry up and pull the trigger!
You'll be glad you did.

still no news on WBRE/WYOU???


dave
post #169 of 701
Quote:


Originally posted by dwmoss
stu,

I was watching Monday night football last night. I noticed a large number of pixelation dropouts during the game. Any idea if this is how ABC was sending it to you? I turned the the WVIA 44-1 and did NOT show the same effects. I realise they are at a much higher power then you, but I thought that if I was having problems receiving the signal with my antenna i'd see similar problems with the WVIA feed as I would with yours.

also, any thought if you will try in the future to go to the gray bars instead of the black side bars? I know you tried this before but we had the black line on the edges.

glad to hear that you took the plunge, Jeff - hurry up and pull the trigger!
You'll be glad you did.

still no news on WBRE/WYOU???
dave


Dave,
MFL is sent analog using the same transponder that feeds analog 16, so it is upconverted. I cannot explain the dropouts without being there to track it down. More than likely it was a transmission problem on our end. If you see alot of that Monday thru Friday evenings, call the station and ask for Ted. He can look at it while on the phone with you and confirm if the problem exists with us. He'll give me a report.
I don't have anyone there that can sit and watch a program for a long period of time.

Nothing from wbre/wyou yet.

- Stu -
post #170 of 701
Stu,

what's the number for the station?

also i'm sure you could pay Jeff or I to be your remote viewers to sit down and watch a program for a period of time! Of course we wouldn't be cheap!!

dave
post #171 of 701
email received today from Barry Erick regarding WYOU/WBRE DTV broadcasting. I've heard the end of the week comment over 3 weeks ago!!

dave


From: Barry Erick
To: David Moss
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: HDTV


Sorry. there is so much spam these days that a message does get lost at times.
The final part needed is arriving today at the transmitter site. It will take 2 to 3 days to get going, but I expect to be on the air by the end of the week.
--Barry
post #172 of 701
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Originally posted by dwmoss
Stu,

what's the number for the station?

also i'm sure you could pay Jeff or I to be your remote viewers to sit down and watch a program for a period of time! Of course we wouldn't be cheap!!

dave

346-7474 and press 5. You'll get someone in the newsroom. Ask for Ted.

If they would let me pay you guys I would!!

- Stu -
post #173 of 701
Stu,

I was watching 16-1 on saturday afternoon. First thanks for turning the 16-1 broadcasting on at noon! I enjoyed the coverage. Again, similar comment that I've had before. I noticed alot of drop outs on Saturday. I'll see if it happens again tonight, and if so, i'll give Ted a call.

dave
post #174 of 701
Quote:


Originally posted by dwmoss
Stu,

I was watching 16-1 on saturday afternoon. First thanks for turning the 16-1 broadcasting on at noon! I enjoyed the coverage. Again, similar comment that I've had before. I noticed alot of drop outs on Saturday. I'll see if it happens again tonight, and if so, i'll give Ted a call.

dave

Hi Dave,
No need to call the station. We tracked it down today and probably won't have a fix for a few days or even weeks. After doing some close monitoring today it was determined the microwave link between the studio and transmitter is the culprit. I'll probably end up boosting the power a few db on the link but I want to confirm a few things on the rf path. I'll let you know when I think it's solved.

- Stu -
post #175 of 701
Stu,

once again you give me good news! I'm glad you found a problem on your end. I'm sure your not glad, but for my sanity, I'm glad you found a problem.

let me know when you think you have the problem licked. until then I won't harass you with my drop out comments!!
post #176 of 701
Dave,

I've been seeing much of the same. I figured it was the fact the my antenna is in the attic. I'm both glad and not glad to hear that it's on the other end. It seems that we are the only two testers that Stu has. I'd say between the two of us, we do a pretty good job of working out the kinks for everyone else.


Stu and Dave,

The upconverted material on 16-1 looks washed out to me. I have compared it to the cable feed coming in and it looks better than the OTA. Is it me being picky or maybe my Hipix card? Something just doesn't seem right. Can either of you help me out here?

Jeff
post #177 of 701
Jeff,

I haven't noticed the washed out effect you are seeing.
I don't have the best cable so it's not a fair comparision.

I do find that the upconverted stuff on 16-1 still looks better to me then the cable or OTA of the analog WNEP!

dave
post #178 of 701
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Originally posted by dwmoss
Jeff,

I haven't noticed the washed out effect you are seeing.
I don't have the best cable so it's not a fair comparision.

I do find that the upconverted stuff on 16-1 still looks better to me then the cable or OTA of the analog WNEP!

dave

I know I have the video levels set correctly on the 3 channels. That's an easy thing to do and compare. I did order test equipment to correct the audio differences between channels. Once I have a Dolby 5.1 reference, I'll balance everything out.

- Stu -
post #179 of 701
Sorry to change the subject guy's, but is anybody having problem's recieving ABC out of philly?I can recieve CBS,NBC,FOX,UPN,WB with no problem's.If I repoint my antenna I can pick up ABC but loose it after awhile.I am using the Samsung SIR T-151.

Thanks, Steve
post #180 of 701
Stu,

I think I can elaborate my claim some more after tonight. I was watching NYPD Blue. During the commercials, things looked great. Colors were rich. There is an exception though. When the feed went to a local commercial, the washed out look was apparent. After the commercial, everything was back to normal. After a few times of watching it happen, I figured out a common link between the washed out look and the feed. It only happens when the green line disappears. I'm not sure if the national commercials are upconverted by ABC during HD programs or if you do it. The washed out look only seems to be there when the normal analog feed is being upconverted, assuming ABC does the national commercial upconverts during HD programs. The best example of what is going on is during a fade to black between commercials. During an HD program, the fade goes to true black. Between local commercials, it goes to more of a gray. I took notice to this many times to rule out a freak occurrence. I'm not saying that I'm right, but maybe a little more info can point things in the right direction to solving it.

Jeff
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