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post #61 of 386
3/23/11 at 2:25pm
I am thinking of upgrading to 3d. Will this projector work with the directv 3d programming. Thanks
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post #62 of 386
3/23/11 at 7:51pm
Doesn't this projector have an 3D depth adjustment akin to Nintendos 3DS slider? It seems to me this would be a game changer to be able to do this with 3D on a projector.
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post #63 of 386
3/23/11 at 8:54pm
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The wife will kill me.

Looks like just 3D gaming with a optical for a while. Or buy a 3D player with dual HDMI. Which would be cheaper than upgrading the receiver.

I haven't priced 3D Blu-Ray players (other than the PS3), but a new receiver might be cheaper than a new 3D Blu-Ray player with dual hdmi.

I've got an ancient DD/DTS 5.1 Sony receiver (pre-hdmi) and I'm thinking of upgrading to a Onkyo TX-SR508 or Denon AVR-391 when I finally decide on which projector I want to get. Both are HDMI 1.4a pass-thru according to Amazon and both are just a little over $200 each. I'm not a super audiophile so either of those would be great for me.
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post #64 of 386
3/24/11 at 12:07am
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I haven't priced 3D Blu-Ray players (other than the PS3), but a new receiver might be cheaper than a new 3D Blu-Ray player with dual hdmi.

I've got an ancient DD/DTS 5.1 Sony receiver (pre-hdmi) and I'm thinking of upgrading to a Onkyo TX-SR508 or Denon AVR-391 when I finally decide on which projector I want to get. Both are HDMI 1.4a pass-thru according to Amazon and both are just a little over $200 each. I'm not a super audiophile so either of those would be great for me.

Unfortunately living in NZ any 1.4 spec receiver is going to cost $2k+
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post #65 of 386
3/24/11 at 12:53am
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I am thinking of upgrading to 3d. Will this projector work with the directv 3d programming. Thanks

This is unknown. The DirecTV 3D programs are using the SBS (side-by-side) format (which is not a "standard" HDMI 1.4 format). Until the User Manual becomes available (it is not, currently), we won't know which 3D formats are supported. The external Optoma 3D-XL box is supposed to support that format, but we don't know if Acer will provide that support.

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Originally Posted by nowknown View Post

Doesn't this projector have an 3D depth adjustment akin to Nintendos 3DS slider? It seems to me this would be a game changer to be able to do this with 3D on a projector.

Again, until the manual becomes available, we won't know what features will be provided. My guess is that the "3D depth" adjustment will not be provided (but that is unknown at this time). Acer is not in the habit of including a lot of "bells & whistles" in their low cost PJs (or any of their PJs, for that matter).

kopkiwi (& BK_NC) -- You might want to look at the Panasonic, 3D capable, BD players. Most of those (I think) have dual HDMI 1.4 outputs. That should be the least expensive alternative (one output to the PJ and one to your existing AVR) for you.

EDIT: I'm surprised about the cost of 3D AVRs in NZ. Except for the very cheapest AVRs, almost all of the low end AVRs are now HDMI 1.4a, 3D capable (in the under $800 USD category).
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post #66 of 386
3/24/11 at 1:42am
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This is unknown. The DirecTV 3D programs are using the SBS (side-by-side) format (which is not a "standard" HDMI 1.4 format). Until the User Manual becomes available (it is not, currently), we won't know which 3D formats are supported. The external Optoma 3D-XL bos is supposed to support that format, but we don't know if Acer will provide that support.

Again, until the manual becomes available, we won't know what features will be provided. My guess is that the "3D depth" adjustment will not be provided (but that is unknown at this time). Acer is not in the habit of including a lot of "bells & whistles" in their low cost PJs (or any of their PJs, for that matter).

kopkiwi (& BK_NC) -- You might want to look at the Panasonic, 3D capable, BD players. Most of those (I think) have dual HDMI 1.4 outputs. That should be the least expensive alternative (one output to the PJ and one to your existing AVR) for you.

EDIT: I'm surprised about the cost of 3D AVRs in NZ. Except for the very cheapest AVRs, almost all of the low end AVRs are now HDMI 1.4a, 3D capable (in the under $800 USD category).

From what I can find, the ONLY 1.4 able receivers in NZ are the Denon range, and those are redonk expensive. Maybe the Onkyo but for some reason those are even more.

Edit: I can get the Denon 1311 for $500NZD, but that isn't sufficient to drive me speakers.
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post #67 of 386
3/24/11 at 2:18am
hi guys so it clear that it will display 3d blu-rays movies directly from ps3 or blu-ray player, just to clarify is it support 3d games from playstation 3? PS3 games uses 720p framepacked 3D format and nowhere I can find confirmation that it support 3d gaming straight of the box? all early comments and press note mention only 3d movie playback but I really wanna buy it for 3d gaming without using any kind of converters
any update on this please?
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post #68 of 386
3/24/11 at 10:27am
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Unfortunately living in NZ any 1.4 spec receiver is going to cost $2k+

I'm a little confused. Would an Onkyo 508 not work there or can you not import? Even if import fees and shipping added 150% to the cost you would still be at only around $500. If you need more for driving your speakers there are higher end Onkyos.

--Darin
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post #69 of 386
3/24/11 at 12:20pm
[quote=CT_Wiebe;20198879]This is unknown. The DirecTV 3D programs are using the SBS (side-by-side) format (which is not a "standard" HDMI 1.4 format). Until the User Manual becomes available (it is not, currently), we won't know which 3D formats are supported. The external Optoma 3D-XL bos is supposed to support that format, but we don't know if Acer will provide that support.

Thanks for you quick response.

tim
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post #70 of 386
3/24/11 at 12:22pm
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I'm a little confused. Would an Onkyo 508 not work there or can you not import? Even if import fees and shipping added 150% to the cost you would still be at only around $500. If you need more for driving your speakers there are higher end Onkyos.

--Darin

Unfortunately shipping costs make it pointless. Then 15% GST on top.
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post #71 of 386
3/24/11 at 4:17pm
Thread Starter 
7.1 Analog -> If you buy an HDMI 1.4 reciever what will you do when 1.5 comes out? Or when display port comes out?
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post #72 of 386
3/24/11 at 5:11pm
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7.1 Analog -> If you buy an HDMI 1.4 reciever what will you do when 1.5 comes out? Or when display port comes out?

Never thought about analog...

No difference in audio quality between that and HDMI is there?
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post #73 of 386
3/24/11 at 5:22pm
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Just fewer problems!
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post #74 of 386
3/24/11 at 6:33pm
What do you mean?
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post #75 of 386
3/24/11 at 9:23pm
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HDMI has been a nightmare for many people. Just look at all the HDMI problems in the forums. Of course there is always someone else to blame, driver problems etc. I never understood why someone would send video thru an audio amp or audio thru a video device. Supposedly it was for convenience of only using 1 cable (and copy protection) but is not very convenient if you have to jump thru hoops to get it to work. There is no delay or dropouts with analog either and you won't have to buy a new receiver (amplifier) every year to replace a perfectly good amplifier when they change the HDMI specs. Technically there is no such thing as HDMI 1.3 or 1.4 anymore (they changed the rules again). It is either High Speed or Standard.
http://www.hdmi.org/index.aspx
High Speed HDMI barely has the bandwidth to carry a 3D signal. And now there is the problem of 3D receivers that don't work with 120Hz 3D. So you avoid most problems by using analog.
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post #76 of 386
3/24/11 at 9:26pm
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hi guys so it clear that it will display 3d blu-rays movies directly from ps3 or blu-ray player, just to clarify is it support 3d games from playstation 3? PS3 games uses 720p framepacked 3D format and nowhere I can find confirmation that it support 3d gaming straight of the box? all early comments and press note mention only 3d movie playback but I really wanna buy it for 3d gaming without using any kind of converters
any update on this please?

I'm very curious about this to. It would almost be like throwing out the baby with the bath water to add support for 3D Blu-Ray directly from a PS3 but to drop 3D gaming support from PS3.

Were you saying you only want it for 3D gaming and not for 3D movie playback? If so the Acer H5360 original model will work for PS3 3D games I believe without any converter... someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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post #77 of 386
3/25/11 at 2:39am
BK_NC -- I think that your statement about the H5360 and the PS3 is incorrect. I would refer you to the H5360 thread - http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1193088. Unless the PS3 can output a 720p video signal at a 120Hz refresh rate, the H5360 will not display a 3D image from it.

The question that stkrup asked was "can the H5360BD play 3D games from the PS3?" Since it can play 3D movies from the PS3, I would assume (a big guess) that it should be able to play 3D games as well. Since there is basically no difference in the video signal between games and movies, I don't see why it wouldn't (as long as they follow the HDMI 1.4a specification for 3D video).

However, as I stated previously, since there is no confirmation (or manual) available, yet, all of this is pure speculation. Until we have units available for review, or test, we won't know what the H5360BD's capabilities or limitations are.
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post #78 of 386
3/25/11 at 3:06am
You can find the manual on the acer.co.th site from acer.
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post #79 of 386
3/25/11 at 6:05am
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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post

This is unknown. The DirecTV 3D programs are using the SBS (side-by-side) format (which is not a "standard" HDMI 1.4 format). Until the User Manual becomes available (it is not, currently), we won't know which 3D formats are supported. The external Optoma 3D-XL box is supposed to support that format, but we don't know if Acer will provide that support.

Actually, 1080i/60 Side By Side 3D is a mandated format in the HDMI 1.4 spec. This doesn't mean that the Acer will support it, it just means that if they don't support it they won't be able to advertise it as HDMI 1.4 compatible.

Jonathan
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post #80 of 386
3/25/11 at 6:53am
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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post

BK_NC -- I think that your statement about the H5360 and the PS3 is incorrect. I would refer you to the H5360 thread - http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1193088. Unless the PS3 can output a 720p video signal at a 120Hz refresh rate, the H5360 will not display a 3D image from it.

Thanks. After seeing your reply, I did some more Goggling and found that the Acer H5360 and Optoma GT700/720 won't work in 3D with PS3 games without a converter box. I'm not sure why I thought they did. Thanks for clearing that up.

I think the Acer 5360BD is going to be the way to go for me because I want something I can play 3D console games on without a $500 converter box.
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post #81 of 386
3/25/11 at 7:02am
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Thanks. After seeing your reply, I did some more Goggling and found that the Acer H5360 and Optoma GT700/720 won't work in 3D with PS3 games without a converter box. I'm not sure why I thought they did. Thanks for clearing that up.

I think the Acer 5360BD is going to be the way to go for me because I want something I can play 3D console games on without a $500 converter box.

Acer 5360 + vip gamer should be cheaper than the 5360bd.
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post #82 of 386
3/25/11 at 7:50am
I have noticed this projector has popped up on some British websites for 699 pounds. Thats converts to $1123.57. I hope that isn't indicative of how much it is going to cost here in the states.

Mike
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post #83 of 386
3/25/11 at 11:12am
This flyer from Acer Germany clearly states (in German) H5360BD will handle PS3 3D movies & games (frame-sequential or frame-packed formats) + 3D Set-Top boxes (eg. Sky 3D TV which is SBS Side-By-Side format)

Got email confirmation it will also work with HDD Media Players like Popcorn & Xtreamer and play SBS material in .mkv widely available in Internet

Sounds like a great product but Acer DLP glasses suck in comparison to new Optoma ZD201 (nicer look & cheaper)

http://www.optoma.co.uk/accessories....%20Accessories

H5360BD available in Germany and Poland for 699 EUR from 31 March.
I expect to get mine within a week
LL
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post #84 of 386
3/25/11 at 11:36am
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H5360BD available in Germany and Poland for 699 EUR from 31 March. I expect to get mine within a week

Thats $983.65 US Dollars. If this projector is going to cost that much more than the H5360 then it might be better to get the VIP 3D Theater and the H5360. I guess we will have to just wait and see.

Mike
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post #85 of 386
3/25/11 at 11:57am
This link had a few small nuggets of info:
http://www.projectorshop24.co.uk/ace...rboost-3d.html

But does anyone have a direct link to the owner's manual yet?
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post #86 of 386
3/25/11 at 1:10pm
Here's the manual
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post #87 of 386
3/25/11 at 1:33pm
The manual says it will do 3D with these options to choose from:

• Auto: Automatically adjust by information from player.
• Frame Packing: Process the input image as frame packing format.
• Top Down: Process the input image as Top down format.
• Side by Side: Process the input image as Side by Side format.

So, doesn't Directv 3D use Side by Side? If so, sounds like it should work for Directv 3D.

Mike
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post #88 of 386
3/25/11 at 1:56pm
Agreed. Page #20 of the manual suggests one can manually choose the 3D format, if needed.

All good news.

I don't think there's a way to override DLP link and use IR glasses instead, if one so desired.




Btw: Thanks for the direct link to the manual!
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post #89 of 386
3/25/11 at 2:12pm
Here are the 3D timings for the HDMI 1.4a for this projector from the manual:

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post #90 of 386
3/25/11 at 11:25pm
I checked the manual and seems like for HDMI PC signal input under extended section, you can input 720p 120hz. Looks like it's still possible to use 3D Vision and Nvidia 3D glasses with this projector instead of 3DTVPlay. Maybe we just need the hacked h5360.inf to trick the computer.
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