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post #10471 of 15169
12/4/11 at 4:36pm
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Originally Posted by Razor Time View Post

Throwing up a black image is really to test the capabilities of a display and how it handles blacks. In 2D mode these displays do an amazing job with blacks but unfortunately in 3D mode they act slightly differently. A firmware update from Sony could easily cure this.

So you have enough knowledge of the video processor in this TV to say that it is capable of keeping up with the higher refresh rates when gaming or when processing 3d to make this work well?

Also, my understanding is that you can turn on local dimming in gaming mode but that it is a bit slow in response for that.
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post #10472 of 15169
12/4/11 at 4:39pm
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Looking forward to your Absolute Ultimate Settings in a week or two

Thanks. I worked really hard to perfect them.
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post #10473 of 15169
12/4/11 at 4:43pm
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A STUPID QUESTION?
Perhaps this is a stupid question, but I can't really find much info about this. I recently discovered that I can surf the web from the HX929 via the Sony Browser. Do I need to be concerned about viruses? If so, how do you protect the tv? I'm not real tech savy.

No not a stupid question. Yes this should be a bit of a concern. I would suggest staying with trusted sites and staying away from stuff like accessing a banking website from it. As far as I know there is no anti-virus or firewall app for this TV.
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post #10474 of 15169
12/4/11 at 4:48pm
Thanks danjw1, I will heed your advice.
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post #10475 of 15169
12/4/11 at 6:23pm
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A STUPID QUESTION?

Perhaps this is a stupid question, but I can't really find much info about this. I recently discovered that I can surf the web from the HX929 via the Sony Browser. Do I need to be concerned about viruses? If so, how do you protect the tv? I'm not real tech savy.

Thanks

Good question but I don't think it's possible. Everything is loaded from flashed chips on a board. There is no hard drive with a read/write file system that files can get altered. That's the way I look at it but I could be wrong. Besides, the browser is garbage on this TV. It took almost a minute over wifi to load the default Sony page when I tried it and I have a 50Mbps internet connection. I hope there is a FW update that will speed it up.
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post #10476 of 15169
12/4/11 at 6:39pm
Will you get the same results using a Samsung 3D BluRay Player as you would a Sony 3D Blu ray Player for both 2D and 3D Blu rays?

When displaying on a Sony TV.

More interested in PQ than features.
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post #10477 of 15169
12/4/11 at 8:30pm
So my new Sanus LL11-B1 (.55" slim mount) mount arrived on Friday, figuured I would post a few pics of my 65" 929 on the wall. I removed the serial port plastic cover and the serial port itself (small pin connector) and just tucked the wire back into the TV and then covered the hole with black tape to avoid dust issues. With this done I did not have to use any spacers and was able to acheive the advertised .55" mounting depth.

From the wall to the front of the TV is about 2 1/4" which looks awesome, nice tight and clean. Due to tight spaces and the need for my polk speakers to sit under the screen on the 2 corners the TV bottom is about 34.5" from the floor and the center of the screen just over 4ft from the floor. Both my wife and I agree the height is PERFECT from our viewing positioin which is about 14ft away, we dont find ourselves feeling as if we are looking up at all.

So far I am a very happy camper, my only issue seems to be stuttering here and there when using the cinemotion set to Auto1. I have a feeling this is due to my 1 and only source being a Windows Media Center with an ATI 6XXX HD card (Ceton card for DVR/Live TV desktop set to 1080P at all times, using verizon FIOS cable card) connected via HDMI through my Yamaha surround sound received (3d compatible etc..) When I switch to Auto 2 or off it seems to go away... Not sure what the difference is between these 2 settings.

Here are some pics using the CNET settings with the brightness only adjusted to my media center test video. This is live HDTV via the Ceton card in media center, not blu ray content. Please excuse the quality, these are taken with an 8MP cellphone camera.
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post #10478 of 15169
12/4/11 at 8:34pm
On your remotes do you have 4 color buttons. If so what are you using them for?
Here is what the i-manual states;


Color buttons
When the color buttons are available, an operation guide appears on the screen.
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post #10479 of 15169
12/4/11 at 9:17pm
I have to say BE AWARE Sony buyers. I have just a 2010 model that you could have bought just 6 months ago and Sony has already abandoned the people that bought those. All the new firmware updates and new programming are only for the 2011 models. So, all those 2010 customer's will need to look elsewhere for any kind of good stuff on their TV. Why am I saying this here? Before you drop over $3500 on a new 2011 TV, Sony just might do the same to you. I wouldn't doubt it. You may be sitting in my shoes just months later not able to get programming updates on your firmware. Thanks Sony, it is finally time for Samsung or Panasonic.
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post #10480 of 15169
12/4/11 at 9:20pm
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Originally Posted by opentoe View Post

i have to say be aware sony buyers. I have just a 2010 model that you could have bought just 6 months ago and sony has already abandoned the people that bought those. All the new firmware updates and new programming are only for the 2011 models. So, all those 2010 customer's will need to look elsewhere for any kind of good stuff on their tv. Why am i saying this here? Before you drop over $3500 on a new 2011 tv, sony just might do the same to you. I wouldn't doubt it. You may be sitting in my shoes just months later not able to get programming updates on your firmware. Thanks sony, it is finally time for samsung or panasonic.

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post #10481 of 15169
12/4/11 at 9:35pm
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Originally Posted by rjrogalla View Post

On your remotes do you have 4 color buttons. If so what are you using them for?
Here is what the i-manual states;


Color buttons
When the color buttons are available, an operation guide appears on the screen.

Go to any of the Widget apps and you'll see at the bottom of the screen some options for control buttons and what they'll do. They will represent the color coded buttons on your remote. Think of them as the X Y B & A colored buttons on an Xbox remote and I think you'll get the idea.
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post #10482 of 15169
12/4/11 at 9:50pm
I have been on the sidelines watching this thread with interest for many months - finally decided to make a move and expect delivery of a 55" this week.

I had considered waiting for the 2012 lineup but made the move now because this set with the thin bezel in 55" is the maximum I can fit in my space. Who knows what will happen with dimensions and product lines next year. I hope Sony continues to make high-end LCDs in spite of the financially challenging times.

Anyway, I will be moving up from a 40" XBR4. I see that there are several other XBR4 owners here. While the XBR4 was a nice TV, one of the best LCDs of 2007, I will not miss the fan drone, flash lighting, heat output, and oversized bezel.
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post #10483 of 15169
12/4/11 at 10:10pm
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Originally Posted by grandmaison View Post

Go to any of the Widget apps and you'll see at the bottom of the screen some options for control buttons and what they'll do. They will represent the color coded buttons on your remote. Think of them as the X Y B & A colored buttons on an Xbox remote and I think you'll get the idea.

Thanks
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post #10484 of 15169
12/4/11 at 10:47pm
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Originally Posted by Razor Time View Post

Throwing up a black image is really to test the capabilities of a display and how it handles blacks. In 2D mode these displays do an amazing job with blacks but unfortunately in 3D mode they act slightly differently. A firmware update from Sony could easily cure this.

BTW for those that like to game a chap on avforums did a test with local dimming on and off and is hardly effected the ms time. I game with local dimming on.

Using a static black frame to test video processing is much like using a single frequency tone generator to test an audio component. It tells you nothing about real world performance.
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post #10485 of 15169
12/5/11 at 2:30am
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Originally Posted by promark255 View Post

Will you get the same results using a Samsung 3D BluRay Player as you would a Sony 3D Blu ray Player for both 2D and 3D Blu rays?
When displaying on a Sony TV.
More interested in PQ than features.

For mere mortals, all Blu-Ray players are same regarding the PQ. But there is a Higher Church of Blu-Ray Players and they discovered flaws in Sony (which may exist in Samsung too) . Obviously, for the Church believers only some sanctified players worth heavenly money are flawless. Some advanced mortals say the Sony 'flaw' is not visible (or maybe even makes pics visually better ) and anyway it is not used in the Theater mode so in the theater mode the player should be as immaculate as the Church players.

You asked stupid question, you got your answer .
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post #10486 of 15169
12/5/11 at 2:40am
I order to maybe bump my previous question, here some pictures of my set up. I'm having 2 problems:

- streaming from my Samsung Galaxy SII via DLNA or WiFi won't work
- recording on a USB stick won't work (signal comes in my HD recorder, than picture to tv via HMDI)

does anybody have an idea what I need to do? Does it have anything to do with the DiVX registration code?

btw, Imrizzo, thx for the settings.





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post #10487 of 15169
12/5/11 at 3:46am
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Originally Posted by ½Baked View Post


Using a static black frame to test video processing is much like using a single frequency tone generator to test an audio component. It tells you nothing about real world performance.

Not testing for video processing. Testing local dimming capabilities. The engineer at Sony told me to test with a black image.

A black screen will occur in real world usage, a scene change in a movie may use a black scene. Avatar has a few.
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post #10488 of 15169
12/5/11 at 6:44am
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Originally Posted by rikfrombelgium View Post

I order to maybe bump my previous question, here some pictures of my set up. I'm having 2 problems:

- streaming from my Samsung Galaxy SII via DLNA or WiFi won't work
- recording on a USB stick won't work (signal comes in my HD recorder, than picture to tv via HMDI)

does anybody have an idea what I need to do? Does it have anything to do with the DiVX registration code?

btw, Imrizzo, thx for the settings.






Nice setup.
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post #10489 of 15169
12/5/11 at 7:58am
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Originally Posted by rikfrombelgium View Post

I order to maybe bump my previous question, here some pictures of my set up. I'm having 2 problems:

- streaming from my Samsung Galaxy SII via DLNA or WiFi won't work
- recording on a USB stick won't work (signal comes in my HD recorder, than picture to tv via HMDI)

I am able to stream 1080p just fine from my Seagate NAS and pretty much all my computers in the house. It's pretty cool! I have not tried to do it though from a mobile device or my Ipad!

What I think may be your problem could be the format of the actual video as it's a pretty narrow list of what is supported. You may want to try jpg pictures to see if you can view them and if you are able to obtain a connection. I'm streaming MP4 video files with the mp4 and m4v extension with no problem. I'm using Handbrake to create my streaming files and store them on my NAS - but a PC would be fine too. I grab movies from Redbox (both Bluray and DVD) and rip them to my PC using DVDFab....then use Handbrake to convert to a streaming format and works great!
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post #10490 of 15169
12/5/11 at 8:02am
Also try putting the USB stick directly into the TV not through another device.....that should also tell you if your video format is acceptable.
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post #10491 of 15169
12/5/11 at 8:24am
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Good question but I don't think it's possible. Everything is loaded from flashed chips on a board. There is no hard drive with a read/write file system that files can get altered. That's the way I look at it but I could be wrong. Besides, the browser is garbage on this TV. It took almost a minute over wifi to load the default Sony page when I tried it and I have a 50Mbps internet connection. I hope there is a FW update that will speed it up.

I guess you haven't read the stories about viruses coming from the manufactures on flash drives and external hard drives? There have been stories about how these CE devices don't really do security and that they will be targets. CE manufactures don't have any real knowledge of computer security, so why would you expect their devices to be secure? This is new to them, most don't have a clue how to implement security in their devices.
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post #10492 of 15169
12/5/11 at 8:34am
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Originally Posted by Razor Time View Post

Not testing for video processing. Testing local dimming capabilities. The engineer at Sony told me to test with a black image.

A black screen will occur in real world usage, a scene change in a movie may use a black scene. Avatar has a few.

Sure, but you are looking at a stream of frames, not perfectly identical and 3/2 pulldown is probably in effect, just for that example. I would have to say that looking for clouding is evaluating video processing. Local dimming is also video processing. I have watched Avatar without seeing clouding, but I agree that it is abundantly noticeable in black screens that have been posted.
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post #10493 of 15169
12/5/11 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by promark255 View Post

Alleluia!!!

-OC Sli 590 water as well!

Nice one mark, its good to see a fellow watercooler in here.

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Overkill I know for a single 1080 screen

Overkill is great...

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Originally Posted by danjw1 View Post

So you have enough knowledge of the video processor in this TV to say that it is capable of keeping up with the higher refresh rates when gaming or when processing 3d to make this work well?

Also, my understanding is that you can turn on local dimming in gaming mode but that it is a bit slow in response for that.

Here is the member who carried out the input lag test on the 923 (uk version of the 929).

http://www.avforums.com/forums/15860688-post340.html


3D gaming unfortunately can only be done at 720p @ 60Hz or 1080 @ 24Hz.

24Hz is too low for gaming so you are forced to use 720p but the 3D effect makes up for the drop in resolution and looks very nice in the games I have played.
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post #10494 of 15169
12/5/11 at 8:50am
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Originally Posted by Razor Time View Post

Nice one mark, its good to see a fellow watercooler in here.



Overkill is great...



Here is the member who carried out the input lag test on the 923 (uk version of the 929).

http://www.avforums.com/forums/15860688-post340.html


3D gaming unfortunately can only be done at 720p @ 60Hz or 1080 @ 24Hz.

24Hz is too low for gaming so you are forced to use 720p but the 3D effect makes up for the drop in resolution and looks very nice in the games I have played.


I played Crysis 2 in 3D at 1080p 60hz in my 55" and my pc without problem, just two days for my 65" to arrive, can´t wait
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post #10495 of 15169
12/5/11 at 9:16am
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Originally Posted by abeslu View Post

I played Crysis 2 in 3D at 1080p 60hz in my 55" and my pc without problem, just two days for my 65" to arrive, can´t wait

You must be playing simulated 3d as you cant pass a 1080p 60Hz 3d signal with any 3D HDTV. You certainly cant do it with the 929, 1080p @ 24Hz and 720p @ 60Hz are the only two supported 3D resolutions in the Nvidia control panel.

Congrats on the 65
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post #10496 of 15169
12/5/11 at 9:20am
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Originally Posted by Razor Time View Post

You must be playing simulated 3d as you cant pass a 1080p 60Hz 3d signal with any 3D HDTV.
Congrats on the 65

More precisely you can't pass due to the limitation of the HDMI data transfer.
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post #10497 of 15169
12/5/11 at 9:38am
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Originally Posted by moshster View Post

So my new Sanus LL11-B1 (.55" slim mount) mount arrived on Friday, figuured I would post a few pics of my 65" 929 on the wall. I removed the serial port plastic cover and the serial port itself (small pin connector) and just tucked the wire back into the TV and then covered the hole with black tape to avoid dust issues. With this done I did not have to use any spacers and was able to acheive the advertised .55" mounting depth.

From the wall to the front of the TV is about 2 1/4" which looks awesome, nice tight and clean. Due to tight spaces and the need for my polk speakers to sit under the screen on the 2 corners the TV bottom is about 34.5" from the floor and the center of the screen just over 4ft from the floor. Both my wife and I agree the height is PERFECT from our viewing positioin which is about 14ft away, we dont find ourselves feeling as if we are looking up at all.

So far I am a very happy camper, my only issue seems to be stuttering here and there when using the cinemotion set to Auto1. I have a feeling this is due to my 1 and only source being a Windows Media Center with an ATI 6XXX HD card (Ceton card for DVR/Live TV desktop set to 1080P at all times, using verizon FIOS cable card) connected via HDMI through my Yamaha surround sound received (3d compatible etc..) When I switch to Auto 2 or off it seems to go away... Not sure what the difference is between these 2 settings.

Here are some pics using the CNET settings with the brightness only adjusted to my media center test video. This is live HDTV via the Ceton card in media center, not blu ray content. Please excuse the quality, these are taken with an 8MP cellphone camera.

Is it necessary to remove the serial port cover? When I go the the Sanus site it says the bracket is compatible with my TV (55HX929).
I was going to get the VLT15 which is a bit thicker than yours, but I think I'm going to play it safe and get the VMPL50A. It's only 1.8" deep and that is good enough for me.
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post #10498 of 15169
12/5/11 at 9:46am
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Originally Posted by ½Baked View Post

...much like using a single frequency tone generator to test an audio component.
It tells you nothing about real world performance.

A single freq audio tone tells you MUCH if this simplest of all tests fails.

Same with any monochrome video frame -- if a TV can't handle that
reasonably well, it belongs in the WallyWorld bargain bin.

...the quality goes in before the name falls off,

LK
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post #10499 of 15169
12/5/11 at 10:04am
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Originally Posted by irkuck View Post

More precisely you can't pass due to the limitation of the HDMI data transfer.

Exactly.
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post #10500 of 15169
12/5/11 at 10:25am
In regard to wall mounting, I can appreciate getting close to the wall but, it does need some room to breath and dissipate heat build-up .
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