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post #12031 of 15539
Is there a document or source which shows what refresh rates this TV supports?

Like (Hz) 23.976, 24, 25, 29.97, 30, 50, 59.94, 60, 72
post #12032 of 15539
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Originally Posted by sangean View Post

Is there a document or source which shows what refresh rates this TV supports?

Like (Hz) 23.976, 24, 25, 29.97, 30, 50, 59.94, 60, 72

Might help if you clarify what refresh rates you refer to.

For PC input (VGA) refresh rates, look at the following: http://esupport.sony.com/docs/imanua..._uconly_l.html. I don't see much information about DVI inputs explicitly called out, but I'd expect the inputs to be fairly similar to standard HDMI framerates plus the VGA inputs in the URL above.

I assume you probably aren't asking about HDMI inputs, as those are pretty standard. And ATSC defines the refresh rates an ATSC device must support if they are to be able to reliably decode all signals in the TV's area. The display rate depends on the input signal (potentially with some n:n pulldown) and MotionFlow settings.
post #12033 of 15539
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Originally Posted by edtorious View Post

New firmware update!

File Description UPDATE System Software Update Release Date 2/04/2012 Version PKG3.904AAA File Size 64.60 MB

Sony has designed the BRAVIA® Television's software update process to be customer friendly. This software update (version PKG3.904AAA) provides the following benefits:

Improvements over version PKG3.808AAA:

Improved performance and stability of the Internet features

Benefits provided by previous updates and included in version PKG3.904AAA:

Adds the ability to use the Skype® online calling service

Adds the "What's New" feature

Media Remote (Software keyboard, Full / Simple Remote and Shake Track ID)

VAIO® Remote Keyboard

Media Remote (text by voice)

Audio Theatre Control Widget

WMV/WMA Codec for DLNA / USB

Adds the capability for 3D via USB (3D models only and requires 3D active glasses)

Note: Allows you to view your Bloggie® 3D camera content when connected through the USB port on your TV

Improves performance and stability of IPTV (Internet Protocol TV) features

Note: IPTV allows you to enjoy HD (High Definition) programming from the Internet on your BRAVIA television that is connected to a broadband Internet connection

Thanks for posting. Looks like a decent update.
post #12034 of 15539
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Originally Posted by edtorious View Post

What is the version number of this update you're talking about? Thanks.

I can't say. But I can say that there is a definite improvement in the picture.
post #12035 of 15539
Can someone please explain to me what is the difference between the hx929 and hx850 2012 model and if hx929 is still king of Sony led in 2012
Can Sony please tell me because little confused some of the website says Sony HX850 leads the new Bravia 2012 but Sony still going to sell hx929 and it will be expensive than hx850, but hx850 has new features and better performance . If the hx850 is better why it is cheaper than hx929 or the hx929 will have these features can someone please tells me because I really want to buy a new led and I am looking for the best Sony led in 2012. Thanks.

From this website
Again there is a model that stands out above all and is the exclusive number HX. The model of this 2012 will be Sony HX850, television keeps the bet of Sony supports more integrated and less volatile than other brands. What good pictures of the brand's remaining!
Sony has improved in its new range of TVs technologies already used to enhance images that we see in them. Now X-Reality PRO identifies when there is an image in foreground or scene at the rear of the image that need strengthening and gives more detail. This type of aid to the image have its danger by artificial that can convert the experience if we do not control.
The new 2012 Bravia also recognize the type of content that we are seeing, for example DVD, TV or Blu-Ray and adjusts the image parameters to each format. This technology is reinforced in 3D with Super Resolution mode, which updates the content in 3D to high definition. It remains to be seen with what result

Can someone please answer me thanks and sorry for my English
post #12036 of 15539
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Originally Posted by wantedboys View Post

Can someone please explain to me what is the difference between the hx929 and hx850 2012 model and if hx929 is still king of Sony led in 2012

hx850 says Dynamic Edge LED backlighting. The hx929 is full array local dimming meaning the backlight LEDs are behind the LCD panel, not on the edge.

The hx929 will have better blacks. I have a 65HX929 and the blacks are indeed inky.

Note the hx850 model number begins with KDL- and the hx929 begins with XBR-. XBR always signifies Sony's best.

Despite very very minor imperfections that exist to some extent in all, this is the best there is with the possible/arguable exception of the Elite's which are significantly more expensive.
post #12037 of 15539
@wantedboys. The HX929 is the best that Sony makes. As far as any new chips coming for it? I have not heard anything about that.
post #12038 of 15539
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Originally Posted by bareyb View Post

@wantedboys. The HX929 is the best that Sony makes. As far as any new chips coming for it? I have not heard anything about that.

No new chips that I know of. The HX850 is really just an edge-lit HX929 with an updated stand. That accounts for a chunk of the price savings. Looks like the HX929 will start including 3D glasses at some point (although can't be 100% certain).

The HX820 that the HX850 replaces seems to have the 909s chip, so this makes sense.

It does look like the 850 has a couple 3D features missing in the 929: 4x 3D something-or-other (to reduce flicker?), and something that looks like a form of 3D focused up scaling. It may be possible to patch the former into the 929, dunno about the latter.

The 929 still has the RS232 home automation features missing on the 850.

But any "HX950" would be a fairly small upgrade at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if their goal is to hit lower price points and/or bundle 3D glasses while they attempt to commercialize CLED for their next XBR. Not a terrible move, IMO.
post #12039 of 15539
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Originally Posted by wantedboys View Post

Hi i need some help

Sony 2012 models will have the improved X-Reality picture chips will the hx929 will have this feature?
I want to buy the hx929 what is the difference between hx929 2011 model and hx929 2012 model?
When will hx929 2012 model will be released?
thanks
Please please reply

There would not be any differences in the same model number from year to year. If there was a new 2012 equivalent, it would be called something else, like an HX939 or 949 or something. But at CES, Sony implied that there would be no new XBR model in 2012. So if that's real, don't expect another XBR until CES (January) of 2013, available sometime between April and August 2013.
post #12040 of 15539
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Originally Posted by mattoc59 View Post


I returned the 65 inch and left with the Samsung UN55D7900. They had a promo for a free surround sound system, Blu Ray player and 6 pairs of glasses with the purchase of the tv. Thought it was a good deal until I got it home and saw how bad the clouding is. Its comical how bad this set is. Its going back tomorrow! I may just stay with the A750 and hold out for the 2012 models .

I still recommend trying the 55hx929. It blows the A750 away. Does not have the banding problems of the 65.

I thought the Ln46a750 was the bomb when I got it. But the xbr55hx929 makes the blacks on the A750 look gray.

Call sony style, they may offer you a package deal. They did for me.
post #12041 of 15539
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Originally Posted by bareyb View Post

Ugh... Amazon has it for $2097.00 and free shipping, but it's NOT through PRIME. It's one of their Market place vendors... You can get it through PRIME, but it's $200.00 more... I'd hate to have to deal with a bad set via a Marketplace vendor... Maybe I should go Brick and Mortar?

Wow that is heck of a price . No tax , free ship and price guaranteed

Btw I am using it with DTV hd dvr any one what are the best settings? Plus shall add ps3?
post #12042 of 15539
Finally Hooked up my 55-929 January 2012 Build. I'm truly loving this Tv. Rizz gave me some great settings and they look great. I'm coming from a un55d8000 which seemed like a great set,until you get one of these dialed in. Haven't noticed any issues that I've seen in other post. But I will say this no tv is perfect and my D8000 issues were obvious and I could not live with them.
post #12043 of 15539
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Originally Posted by edtorious View Post

Nooooo! Why don't you give it time and maybe your eyes will adjust but if not, I suggest you get yours professionally calibrated and see if they can help you with your problem first, if not most them can give you a refund if you're not satisfied. I would give anything (except money of course cause I can't afford it) to get the 65 or larger screens!

Good advice edtorious, first thing when purchasing a new set is to try and find out why this set was returned.
If it was a repair, was that done by Sony or in store /in house?
Have it set it up in the store, compare the picture to others set's on display, if possable.
Thats why when I buy a big item like this, I buy from a store and not on line.
If it needs to be returned, ''No shipping debates'' and I talk to the Manager face to face if there is a problem.

I had my 65'' 929 for a few months now and it plays almost 24/7.
The picture quility is still awesome, it plays better now than it did when it was brand new.

My only problem less far is the fact that it doesn't play back video ''AVI'' files from a flash drive...it refuses to even see ''AVI'' video files.
When I put the same flash drive into my Samsund BD-C6900 Blue Ray Disc Player....it plays it with no problem at all. (Didn't buy Sony BRP because I wanted different app's than the 929 had to offer...best of both worlds )

I'm hoping that Sony soon implement ''AVI '' Flash Drive viewing from this set soon.
At $5300....why not...
Peace & blessings.
post #12044 of 15539
Is it the glasses that cause the flicker or the tv ? I was under the impression that it was the glasses

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Originally Posted by Kolenka View Post

No new chips that I know of. The HX850 is really just an edge-lit HX929 with an updated stand. That accounts for a chunk of the price savings. Looks like the HX929 will start including 3D glasses at some point (although can't be 100% certain).

The HX820 that the HX850 replaces seems to have the 909s chip, so this makes sense.

It does look like the 850 has a couple 3D features missing in the 929: 4x 3D something-or-other (to reduce flicker?), and something that looks like a form of 3D focused up scaling. It may be possible to patch the former into the 929, dunno about the latter.

The 929 still has the RS232 home automation features missing on the 850.


But any "HX950" would be a fairly small upgrade at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if their goal is to hit lower price points and/or bundle 3D glasses while they attempt to commercialize CLED for their next XBR. Not a terrible move, IMO.
post #12045 of 15539
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Originally Posted by sangean View Post

Is there a document or source which shows what refresh rates this TV supports?

Like (Hz) 23.976, 24, 25, 29.97, 30, 50, 59.94, 60, 72

I have provided an EDID dump from my hx920 here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1389240
post #12046 of 15539
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Originally Posted by ratherb1 View Post

Is it the glasses that cause the flicker or the tv ? I was under the impression that it was the glasses

The glasses just run at the frequency that the TV tells them to. Say I have a 1080p/24 movie. I need to play it at 48 fps at a minimum on an active 3D display. The TV tells the glasses to run at this frequency, which produces flicker.

The IR/Bluetooth link is to sync the shutters, yes. But it's also telling the glasses the rate to run at. Run that link too slowly and you get flicker. But if I run the glasses at 4x the framerate, then I'm looking at 96-240Hz signals to the glasses and no flicker. It's why MotionFlow reduces/eliminates flicker with this set, since it turns on interpolation and runs the glasses at a higher frequency.

But to do that without MotionFlow, I also have to run the display faster. Instead of displaying each frame once, I do it twice in an alternating fashion:

1A 1B 1A 1B 2A 2B 2A 2B 3A and so on.
post #12047 of 15539
Can anyone who had their set professionally calibrated comment on how the process goes? Do the calibrators simply change settings in the user menu or do they do something I can't do? I want to have it done, but only because I can't get the color temp right - my WOW disc pretty much handles everything else to my satisfaction.
post #12048 of 15539
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Originally Posted by swugly View Post

Can anyone who had their set professionally calibrated comment on how the process goes? Do the calibrators simply change settings in the user menu or do they do something I can't do? I want to have it done, but only because I can't get the color temp right - my WOW disc pretty much handles everything else to my satisfaction.

Just sent you a pm about calibration. If you have any questions, let me know, John
post #12049 of 15539
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Originally Posted by swugly View Post

Can anyone who had their set professionally calibrated comment on how the process goes? Do the calibrators simply change settings in the user menu or do they do something I can't do? I want to have it done, but only because I can't get the color temp right - my WOW disc pretty much handles everything else to my satisfaction.

My calibrator hooked up an equipment to the display that will send signal to their computer and will adjust the picture settings based on the signal their getting from the TV. I don't know if any other calibrator went to the service menu at all for this TV but some calibrator will go to the service menu which we can only access by entering certain codes to get into, my calibrator says it was not necessary to go to the service menu. You can ask the calibrator yourself if you have found one before you get it done and I'm pretty sure they'll be happy to let you know the procedure they will do.

I had mine done and I'm very happy and satisfied with the result.
post #12050 of 15539
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Originally Posted by edtorious View Post

My calibrator hooked up an equipment to the display that will send signal to their computer and will adjust the picture settings based on the signal their getting from the TV. I don't know if any other calibrator went to the service menu at all for this TV but some calibrator will go to the service menu which we can only access by entering certain codes to get into, my calibrator says it was not necessary to go to the service menu. You can ask the calibrator yourself if you have found one before you get it done and I'm pretty sure they'll be happy to let you know the procedure they will do.

I had mine done and I'm very happy and satisfied with the result.

The only reason I'm iffy about this is because there aren't many picture adjustments within the HX929 user menu. The WOW disc assures me that I have my contrast, brightness, color, hue, and gamma settings correct. I'm just curious how much improved they can make the PQ over my eyeballing it.

I appreciate the response. Do you have your post-calibration charts?
post #12051 of 15539
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Originally Posted by swugly View Post

The only reason I'm iffy about this is because there aren't many picture adjustments within the HX929 user menu. The WOW disc assures me that I have my contrast, brightness, color, hue, and gamma settings correct. I'm just curious how much improved they can make the PQ over my eyeballing it.

You have the RGB bias and gain adjustments under the advanced settings. Those help you get the color temp on the mark of where it should be, and help even out color response across the range of levels the TV displays (rather than at the specific level the test uses).

It's the deviation in the RGB channels from black to white, and the color temp that are the hardest to tweak and requires some sort of sensor to help calibrate it. What you are paying for in a professional calibration is basically an equipment rental + labor on these two things for the most part.
post #12052 of 15539
i noticed that when connecting a blu-ray player that supports ARC to the ARC HDMI input (not sure it matters which input it was connected to), my only options for picture adjustment are "cinema 1" and "cinema 2".

is this a function of the specific input (HDMI 1) or the blu-ray player communicating with the tv and exchanging EDID info?
post #12053 of 15539
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Originally Posted by Kolenka View Post


You have the RGB bias and gain adjustments under the advanced settings. Those help you get the color temp on the mark of where it should be, and help even out color response across the range of levels the TV displays (rather than at the specific level the test uses).

It's the deviation in the RGB channels from black to white, and the color temp that are the hardest to tweak and requires some sort of sensor to help calibrate it. What you are paying for in a professional calibration is basically an equipment rental + labor on these two things for the most part.

Yes the white balance settings is where my calibrator spent a lot of time tweaking. I do have the post calibration report, it's just a hard copy though and I haven't had the chance to scan it to my Mac.
post #12054 of 15539
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Originally Posted by BenDover View Post

i noticed that when connecting a blu-ray player that supports ARC to the ARC HDMI input (not sure it matters which input it was connected to), my only options for picture adjustment are "cinema 1" and "cinema 2".

is this a function of the specific input (HDMI 1) or the blu-ray player communicating with the tv and exchanging EDID info?

Try turning off theatre mode on your BD player.
post #12055 of 15539
Ok so I returned the Samsung and went with the 55HX929 . So much better than the 65!
post #12056 of 15539
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Originally Posted by mattoc59 View Post

Ok so I returned the Samsung and went with the 55HX929 . So much better than the 65!

Grats.
post #12057 of 15539
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Originally Posted by Fordlightning View Post

I still recommend trying the 55hx929. It blows the A750 away. Does not have the banding problems of the 65.

I thought the Ln46a750 was the bomb when I got it. But the xbr55hx929 makes the blacks on the A750 look gray.

agreed
post #12058 of 15539
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Originally Posted by mattoc59 View Post

Ok so I returned the Samsung and went with the 55HX929 . So much better than the 65!

you made the right decision...you're gonna love it
post #12059 of 15539
Has anyone gotten the latest FW update? I've been checking the last couple days, but no auto update or even manual.
post #12060 of 15539
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Originally Posted by Sfedai0 View Post

Has anyone gotten the latest FW update? I've been checking the last couple days, but no auto update or even manual.

i just downloaded it from the sony site and succesfully uploaded to the tv via usb drive...i dont see any difference in pq but im guessing thats because the update seems to be for internet related viewing sources which i am not doing at this time...just go to xxhx929, then to drivers and click on firmware...
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