Official Sony HX929 Owner's thread (46HX929, 55HX929, 65HX929) No Price Talk - Page 453

That argument is like saying volvo vs ferrari - the choise is obvious. Whats interesting is the differense in price and if its worth the extra dollars. Uniformity is very very good on the HX855, almost perfect for an edge-lit LCD, you have to take this into account also

I'm on PS3 and playing MW3 and Black Ops...The gaming mode with everything off and set to speed definitely helps any lag, I don't notice any really with game scene with all options off.

The other day I was playing and forgot to set it to game scene and I was playing and it was lagging big time and I kept thinking WTF is going on until I realized I never changed to game scene...lol....So it helps for sure!

Turning off the local dimming doesn't matter (at least to me) with playing PS3 as you can set the brightness and stuff in the game and having black blacks doesn't really matter especially since I'm concentrating on shooting everyone else to worry about if a black area could be a little darker...Black looks black in the games to me....Games look superb and even though my new set has a tiny bit of light banding I don't notice them at all playing games.

I love this set and even though I feel it looks killer now I'm going to get it calibrated soon. Especially after reading all the post of people who did and say they thought it looked awesome prior but can't believe how much better it looks after being calibrated!

Is there one? Thanks-Jim

By game scene, do you mean graphics?

Just curious.....does the X Reality Pro engine really make a difference in low quality/standard definition source material? Or is this just a marketing gimmick?

No, there's a designated Gaming option in the scene select (called gaming or game or something along those lines), it is distinct from graphics. I'm not at my TV currently but I think it's a few options up from the bottom of the list of selectable scenes. My experience is that all of the bottom few options decrease the effectiveness of the local dimming.

I may have come across a little harsh previously. The TV is certainly a fine unit overall but does have its limitations, as do all TVs. Unfortunately, my usage pattern is one where I get to see them on a regular basis. Even so, there are only a handful of TVs I would prefer over this one, though I haven't used them personally, so I couldn't tell you how it would affect my judgement.

I really do wish this TV looked the way it does with movies when gaming.

You can put the TV in Gaming Scene- Original and then turn on Dynamic LED. This does not affect lag (I don't think). They grey out the options on the first Settings page but not the second, so I assume those things do not add lag, but I leave them off anyway. I know Xreality adds lag because the audio re-syncs, and Motionflow did the same on my EX720. Set the TV to Game/Original, make sure all the bells and whistles are off, and turn on Dynamic LED. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

The 850 has a helluva processor so I assume the 929 does as well. You may want to try Xreality on because I do not "feel" any lag and I have been a gamer for 30 years. Xreality On and Motionflow Standard added a lot of detail and clarity to my Call of Duty experience last night!

Correct, setting the TV to gaming scene and enabling dynamic LED does enable the local dimming, but not to the same extent as it does in other scenes. Test it out yourself; the screen will dim somewhat but won't even begin to approach the level of blackness you'd get in the other scenes.

If you don't care about the PQ then you shouldn't have any issue going with edgelit. There are lots of articles on edgelit vs full array. Just making your point by saying volvo vs ferrari won't get you anywhere.

I know what the difference is between edge and back-lit. Youre implying that edge-lit tv's cant have good PQ which is terribly incorrect. If you had any insight in the HX855 you would understand my question from the beginning. Users are reporting that the HX855 has close to 0 clouding/bleeding. Therese still too few samples on this matter for me to be 100% sure tho. And ive read about 920's having some bleeding and haloing.

The way i see it, if the HX855 is as good as people say it is, why would i go for the HX920? And thats my question(again), is the HX920 that much better in this regard that it justifies another $600? Its an honest question

The 855 appears to be an excellent set, with impressive pre-market reviews. I would also like to hear serious consumers feedback on forums like these, to get a more accurate and unbiased 'street' review. Sony is also using the HX as the Upper tier category, hopefully they will have learned from problems they encountered with the XBR929's and expanded on QC with this set.

If you frequently watch in a dim or pitch-black room, HX929 is worth it, if you can afford it at current (forced MSRP) prices. A definitely noticeable difference. As your level of ambient lighting goes up, the difference with regards to full-array local dimming vs. edge-lit local dimming becomes less apparent. In your average living room, with typical levels of ambient lighting, I'd wager most people won't notice the difference even if they have some idea of what to look for.

fw today

just recieved pkg4.005aaa update, what does it do?

Sorry but I disagree. My 55" is right next to a wall of living room windows and I can tell a huge difference with this set vs LG and Sammys. In full daylight inky blacks still disappear into the frame, best contrast I've ever seen and colors pop. And these are my wife's words

There's more difference between those sets than just the backlight arrangement. I'm open to the possibility I overstated things, but I feel I have enough experience, having set up many home theaters in the past few years, to stand by the thrust of my earlier post.

Anyone know what the update tonight did? Is there a changelog somewhere (I know Sony is averse to the whole concept of a changelog)?

I did see few more contents added to the Internet video app. Other than that I'm not aware of any other changes.

Sony takes a few days to post changes note.

And those postings are rather veil explanation. They are not very forth coming with details, due to the inquires they may generate.

In other news, ChadB still feels that the Sony HX929 is his favorite LED LCD TV, at least if accurate color tracking is important. His measurements show that the Sharp Elite series of TVs do not have the accuracy that the HX929 has even after both have been calibrated as well as possible, and I know this is a critical thing for him. Whether or not the average viewer would notice the difference, I don't know. Apparently Sharp has the same problem with all their Quattron TVs, and it's bad enough that it cannot be calibrated away.

I never thought that whole Quattron thing was a good idea. It just didn't make any sense. From a broadcast/color reproduction standpoint.

As far as the gaming goes, if you use game mode on the 929 or any set that has that option, it really deteriorates the graphics of the game. On one set i previously owned, it stated that the use of game mode will cause reduced picture quality/graphics when gaming. If you want to get the best possible picture while gaming without the lag on the HX929, I suggest this. Turn Cinemotion to Auto 2 and Motionflow to Clear or Clear Plus, your preference. You can turn reality creation to Low if you want as well. I don't. Keep all the other settings as normal. This will help ALOT with the lag without sacrificing an amazing picture and graphics when gaming. It works for me.

Yeah, this helps...but it really isn't the same as setting the TV i/p Conversion Preference to "Speed" (which is really at the heart of of the Game Scene). Sure, you can get used to any lag really, most people do...but I immediately can tell when the i/p conversion is on "Quality". I've tried exactly what you posted and it just isn't enough reduction in lag for me.

I really don't see a huge difference in the Game scene though (visually). I've spent a long time flipping back and forth between settings for games. Sure, there is some extremely minor deterioration, but nothing worry about at least on PC and PS3 (for me). The Wii is the only thing that looks worse in Game scene. This is likely because the Wii is sub-HD to begin with and really needs more settings on the TV to wash away the jaggies and other mess that the Wii produces.

I play everything on "Speed" though, I really notice the difference in lag if I've switch away from it. I actually don't notice the difference visually, but it feels like someone put molasses in my mouse if it is on "quality".

Really, for me the reduction in lag is by far the lesser of two evils. Certainly this will vary though from person to person as some people will want all the extremes of the visual fidelity over the reduction in lag.

I've been following the messages about picture quality on the HX929 vs some of the other models that are mentioned, and I must say having viewed my 929 for a while in dim lighting as well as bright lighting the PQ that I'm seeing is just simply outstanding. I would offer for those concerned about gaming, I am not a gamer and really cannot offer an opinion about watching games. However, I've never had a TV before when the format on the screen changes, you really can't tell where the frame of the panel starts. I think this has a lot to do with full aray local diming (ie contrast with blacks) that is a major difference with the 929 and some of the other sets that are available. When the picture calls for black, it simply does not get any blacker than this set can produce. There are no greys pretending to be black. Honesly, I really have not looked at some of the other panels since I purchased my set, and perhaps they have greatly improved the edge lit design on the newer models. I really don't know. I can just tell you that I'm not looking to purchase another panel for some time to come based on what I'm seeing on this set.

It's funny, but I have a Sammy 19" in the bedroom and I've almost gotten to the point where I simply don't watch it anymore. My wife is now complaining that the bedroom TV is not "bright" enough. Sad to say, because I have tried to adjust it, it will not get any brighter than it is presently set up. I will admit it is an older set, but the difference is dramatic enough that I may be forced to replace that set sooner than I wanted to just to be able to watch it.

The other thing I would mention, I have NEVER purchased anything in the way of electronics that now sells for more than what I purchased it for. That is a different experience and I guess I can than Sony for that one........

Best Regards,

GPHVIDEO

Re: Gaming

The i/p conversion preference is only for interlaced signals. It literally means "choose what you want to priortize from converting interlaced signals to progressive: Quality of the picture or Speed to reduce lag". This has no effect on Xbox or PS3 since we use 1080p or 720p, typically, and the machine handles the scaling.

The blurrier image you see in the games is the true picture- most games are 720p or less so the system upscales the image. By using Xreality, you are also having the TV do some upscaling. Game of Thrones on HBOGO looks incredible and MW3 as well. And since I went 33-10 in one of my games, I do not think display lag is a big problem.

I really like the look of Xreality Auto, Backlight 6, Motionflow Clear, Cinemotion Off for my Xbox right now. Keep in mind this is on an HX850, little brother of the 929:

Scene: General- Standard
Backlight 6 (Eco Off)
Contrast MAX
Brightness 50
Color 55
Color Temp Neutral
Sharp 50
All AUTO, Motionflow Clear, Cinemotion OFF

Advanced Settings, ALL OFF except Dynamic LED Standard

If you use Game Mode Original, just turn everything off but Dynamic LED, and maybe lower the backlight to 5.

That high of a contrast setting is probably crushing/clipping your whites and reducing the level of fine gradations you can make out in lighter areas -- I'd suggest trying something in the middle 90's. Even if your set is appreciably different than our HX929s, maximum picture/contrast is almost never the optimal setting on any TV. I know you don't like Warm2, have you tried to like Warm1 at all? So-called Neutral, at least on the HX929, is terribly blue, but of course I've trained my eyes to know that bluish white, isn't white.

Jeff was at my house an Tuesday to calibrate. This is the second time he has been to my house (had him calibrate 70" Sony XBR2 SXRD about 5 years ago.) Knowing what he does with sound, I worked with him before he came to upgrade every component of my sound system. I can say, even having prior experience with Jeff, I was still amazed when he was done (both video and audio.) I was using a slightly modified version of one of the popular settings used by many here with good results and still there was a large difference from that to Jeff's calibration.

If you are looking for a professional calibration, you absolutely can not go wrong with Jeff. I fully agree with everything said in the posts I quoted. Even if you have to wait months (I did both times) for one of his tours to make it to you, it is well worth it.

On my way to Value Electronic's HDTV Shootout in Scarsdale NY. They will also have the 65" 929 set up and calibrated by Kevin Miller of ISF and D-Nice several other panels also in shootout inc Panny's, Samsung, Sharp, LG, Toshiba etc. will be web broadcast also, visit their website for info

I don't think so. I just read on the HTS site that only the following sets will be in the shoot out...

Here's the list of panels that made it into the final selection for today's Shootout evaluation event:

1. Panasonic TC-P65VT50
2. Samsung PN64E8000
3. LG 60PM9700
4. Panasonic TC-L47WT50
5. Samsung UN60ES8000
6. Elite PRO-60X5FD