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post #13621 of 15169
5/22/12 at 3:05pm
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Originally Posted by irkuck View Post

This is not the main issue about the shootout. Sony 65" HX929 flagship appeared near the end of 2011, its volume sales started in 2012. The shootout guys rejected it as belonging to the 2011 which is nonsense. But they allocated place in the competition for a 47" Panasonic LCD which is plain absurd.

Panasonic plasma may have the best blacks but Sony has superb color accuracy and since LCD tops plasma in daylight viewing it is overall the best TV for the practical living room conditions. Indirectly this is confirmed by the shootout.

Absolutely.........What you said +1

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5/22/12 at 3:47pm
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Originally Posted by irkuck View Post

This is not the main issue about the shootout. Sony 65" HX929 flagship appeared near the end of 2011, its volume sales started in 2012. The shootout guys rejected it as belonging to the 2011 which is nonsense. But they allocated place in the competition for a 47" Panasonic LCD which is plain absurd.

Panasonic plasma may have the best blacks but Sony has superb color accuracy and since LCD tops plasma in daylight viewing it is overall the best TV for the practical living room conditions. Indirectly this is confirmed by the shootout.

This whole "65 inch flagship" quote is confusing. Its almost implying that the 65 " 929 has technology that is not in the 55" version. They are all the same TV so regardless of when the 65" was out , they were still able to test the 55"
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5/22/12 at 6:24pm
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Originally Posted by mattoc59 View Post

This whole "65 inch flagship" quote is confusing. Its almost implying that the 65 " 929 has technology that is not in the 55" version. They are all the same TV so regardless of when the 65" was out , they were still able to test the 55"

Nope, I had the 55" and I have the 65" and the lcd panel is very different, the lcd panel in the 55" is faster with less ghosting and poorer blacks without dimming, like more bluish blacks, and the 65" is a little slower with better blacks without dimming, I found this is the main reason the 55" shows a lot more blooming than the 65", and not the dimming zones, even the pixel motion between the two is very different, I think the lcd panel on the 65" is the same than the one in the Samsung 65D8000 (I had it too), to me looked the same, same response time, same pixel motion, etc, but the 65hx929 is a lot better being full led and of course having better image processing.
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post #13624 of 15169
5/22/12 at 7:24pm
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Originally Posted by herman56 View Post

i've had the 65 inch hx929 for about a month now....I noticed slight vertical banding when I trained myself to look for it, after reading up on it. I was dissappointed at first, but I've discovered that over time it has virtually disappeared. I rarely see it. Over time the set really seems to have improved.

Can it be that some sets rid themselves of this issue after awhile? Sort of like a "break in period"? It really seems like that is what happened. I love the set. It really is delivers a top notch picture.

I've had the same experience with a number of sets in the past--some relatively minor issue will be apparent on an otherwise excellent tv, I'll stress over it for a bit, and after a while I relax and enjoy the good stuff and don't really see those little glitches any more. I've never had what I'd call a perfect tv and have returned my share of sets for characteristics I couldn't live with but if a set on balance is great the small stuff fades into insignificance.
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5/23/12 at 1:52pm
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Originally Posted by herman56 View Post

i've had the 65 inch hx929 for about a month now....I noticed slight vertical banding when I trained myself to look for it, after reading up on it. I was dissappointed at first, but I've discovered that over time it has virtually disappeared. I rarely see it. Over time the set really seems to have improved.

Can it be that some sets rid themselves of this issue after awhile? Sort of like a "break in period"? It really seems like that is what happened. I love the set. It really is delivers a top notch picture.

I didn't have any such anomolies with my 55" HX929 and I never believed in break-in periods for LED TVs or for most audio components. I believed in a slight break-in period for speakers.

But a few weeks ago, my Pioneer receiver suddenly started sounding far better and my Sony HX929 also looked better even though I didn't make any changes to my previous adjustments. And neither did a software update, because I keep a spreadsheet of my settings and I always check after an update. So now either: I'm nuts -or- there really is a break-in period.

On both Plasmas and LEDs there are certain artifacts that can be caused by certain images that will eventually disappear.
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5/23/12 at 2:02pm
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Originally Posted by 1080P Input View Post

Hard to call the event fair anymore. I know it sounds like 4 out of 5 legitimate calibrators prefer the HX929 over the Elite but yet the elite won last year and as talk got more and more on the HX929 being better than the Elite and now they do not even let it into the competition? Sure sounds like what lots of people questioned last year when they said Sharp paid for the win.

I was there this year and last year. No vendor pays for anything (in fact, Robert would love it if the vendors would agree to pick up some of the expenses). They give us slips of paper, we vote and the owner's family totals them up. End of story. You don't have to get paranoid. What's more likely, although they didn't say, is that Sony didn't want to ship a 65" for the competition.

Having said that, this isn't totally scientific. Each person votes based on what they think they're seeing. Also, even though they told us to score, not rank, one person may give the top set a 10 and another might give the top set for a given category an 8. There's nothing to say that someone who voted didn't have personal biases that influenced their scores. IMO, you should use the scoring as an additional piece of information that is one of many. It's not the Academy Awards or the election of a politician.

My overall impression this year was that all of the sets were much more consistent with each other than last year. Each set had some very strong positives and each set also had some very strong negatives. In my personal subjective opinion, the Samsung LED had the best picture (but not necessarily the most accurate). IMO, it had the best color which popped the most. The Panny plasma probably had the best overall performance, but it had a serious problem with moire. The Elite also had a great picture, but it still has that cyan problem, although not as bad as last year. I own an 55 HX929 and love it, but it does have major problems with off-axis viewing and with glows on white titles with black backgrounds, etc.
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post #13627 of 15169
5/23/12 at 7:11pm
I agree 100% although the set in this years event showed advances over last years panels and I felt the Panny did not belong in the lineup. I wish Sony would have provided a useable (not one suffering some of the anomaly's that a lot of the 65" panels are unfortunately inherent affected banding etc). It would be nice to see Sony supply an OLED for the next event. As for the panels tested I still prefer my SONY>

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I was there this year and last year. No vendor pays for anything (in fact, Robert would love it if the vendors would agree to pick up some of the expenses). They give us slips of paper, we vote and the owner's family totals them up. End of story. You don't have to get paranoid. What's more likely, although they didn't say, is that Sony didn't want to ship a 65" for the competition.

Having said that, this isn't totally scientific. Each person votes based on what they think they're seeing. Also, even though they told us to score, not rank, one person may give the top set a 10 and another might give the top set for a given category an 8. There's nothing to say that someone who voted didn't have personal biases that influenced their scores. IMO, you should use the scoring as an additional piece of information that is one of many. It's not the Academy Awards or the election of a politician.

My overall impression this year was that all of the sets were much more consistent with each other than last year. Each set had some very strong positives and each set also had some very strong negatives. In my personal subjective opinion, the Samsung LED had the best picture (but not necessarily the most accurate). IMO, it had the best color which popped the most. The Panny plasma probably had the best overall performance, but it had a serious problem with moire. The Elite also had a great picture, but it still has that cyan problem, although not as bad as last year. I own an 55 HX929 and love it, but it does have major problems with off-axis viewing and with glows on white titles with black backgrounds, etc.
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post #13628 of 15169
5/23/12 at 7:40pm
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Originally Posted by abeslu View Post

Nope, I had the 55" and I have the 65" and the lcd panel is very different, the lcd panel in the 55" is faster with less ghosting and poorer blacks without dimming, like more bluish blacks, and the 65" is a little slower with better blacks without dimming, I found this is the main reason the 55" shows a lot more blooming than the 65", and not the dimming zones, even the pixel motion between the two is very different, I think the lcd panel on the 65" is the same than the one in the Samsung 65D8000 (I had it too), to me looked the same, same response time, same pixel motion, etc, but the 65hx929 is a lot better being full led and of course having better image processing.

I have had both as well and they perform identical minus the horrendous banding on the 65".
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post #13629 of 15169
5/23/12 at 11:04pm
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Originally Posted by MRMOTA View Post

Need some proof of connections on the 65HX929. Could as many folks as possible post their cabled rear pictures of there hdmi connections on the 65HX929 if you have it on a TV stand. I just cant seem to find any real world pictures for this model. I only find even Sony's site uncabled stock pictures of the 55 and 46 models. Thanks for replys in Advance.

Pics of your sets? Anyone? Please... Thanks in Advance
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post #13630 of 15169
5/23/12 at 11:22pm
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Originally Posted by abeslu View Post

Nope, I had the 55" and I have the 65" and the lcd panel is very different, the lcd panel in the 55" is faster with less ghosting and poorer blacks without dimming, like more bluish blacks, and the 65" is a little slower with better blacks without dimming, I found this is the main reason the 55" shows a lot more blooming than the 65", and not the dimming zones, even the pixel motion between the two is very different, I think the lcd panel on the 65" is the same than the one in the Samsung 65D8000 (I had it too), to me looked the same, same response time, same pixel motion, etc, but the 65hx929 is a lot better being full led and of course having better image processing.

10/10. Sony uses panels from different sources so it is a gross error saying the 55" results carry over to the 65" like it is the case of e.g. Sharp Elite 60" and 70". Besides this, it is the 65" which is the flagship. Rejecting it on a thin air formal grounds that it appeared end of 2011 and thus can not be in the 2012 competition puts huge ? over the fairness of the shootout and concerns about potential hidden interests behind it can not be considered as conspiracy theories. Accepting this kind of production year reasoning is a way to mental hospital when one would consider e.g. the case when TV appearing on Dec. 30 is rejected since it is the "last year" product.

An absolutely unshakeable logic here is that in a normal healthy competition those items are selected which were released after the previous shootout.
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5/24/12 at 7:11am
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Originally Posted by irkuck View Post

10/10. Sony uses panels from different sources so it is a gross error saying the 55" results carry over to the 65" like it is the case of e.g. Sharp elite 60" and 70". Besides this, it is the 65" which is the flagship. Rejecting it on a thin air formal grounds that it appeared end of 2011 and thus can not be in the 2012 competition puts huge ? over the fairness of the shootout and concerns about potential hidden interests behind it can not be considered as conspiracy theories. Accepting this kind of production year reasoning is a way to mental hospital when one would consider e.g. The case when tv appearing on dec. 30 is rejected since it is the "last year" product.

An absolutely unshakeable logic here is that in a normal healthy competition those items are selected which were released after the previous shootout.

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post #13632 of 15169
5/24/12 at 11:54am
I just received my set last weekend and i'm very happy with it, until now no clouding or banding but certainly there is some blooming around certain bright objets on the screen. I thing this is a fabulous tv with an exellent picture that overcomes the blooming problem so for me is perfect. Some pages ago i read that when in the menus this local dimming thing is disabled, am i right?, this because when in the menus i can notice some clouding right in the center of the screen that is very distracting , but when normal playing everything is just perfect.

I had in the living room a samsung un47d6500 with a good picture but the clouding was always there....

By the way, my set is 65" and was manufatured in april 2012 here in mexico, and for me the 3d is just OMG!!
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post #13633 of 15169
5/24/12 at 1:30pm
Where is the best place to sell two Sony Proforma Wall mounts?

http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/sto...52921666381155

I bought two when I bought my 929s but unfortunately won't be able to wall mount my TVs. It is too late to return them to the store, but they are sealed in the box.
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post #13634 of 15169
5/24/12 at 2:33pm
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Originally Posted by holygift77 View Post

I just received my set last weekend and i'm very happy with it, until now no clouding or banding but certainly there is some blooming around certain bright objets on the screen. I thing this is a fabulous tv with an exellent picture that overcomes the blooming problem so for me is perfect. Some pages ago i read that when in the menus this local dimming thing is disabled, am i right?, this because when in the menus i can notice some clouding right in the center of the screen that is very distracting , but when normal playing everything is just perfect.

I had in the living room a samsung un47d6500 with a good picture but the clouding was always there....

By the way, my set is 65" and was manufatured in april 2012 here in mexico, and for me the 3d is just OMG!!

congratulations! nice setup BTW. when you go to picture settings and then thru advance settings, there's a feature called LED Dynamic Control that you can set to off but I wouldn't recommend it, I recommend you set it at standard.
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post #13635 of 15169
5/24/12 at 3:47pm
To the people with blooming. Do you ever notice any blooming that extends into the letter box black bars ? I have noticed on my set that whenever there is a bright object close to the top or the bottom of my screen, it leaks into the black bars right above or below. It's so annoying and distracting.
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post #13636 of 15169
5/24/12 at 4:13pm
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Originally Posted by mattoc59 View Post

To the people with blooming. Do you ever notice any blooming that extends into the letter box black bars ? I have noticed on my set that whenever there is a bright object close to the top or the bottom of my screen, it leaks into the black bars right above or below. It's so annoying and distracting.

I notice it a little bit on mine - but it's very very minor. And I watch mine in the dark with the lights off.
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post #13637 of 15169
5/25/12 at 9:22am
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Originally Posted by mattoc59 View Post

To the people with blooming. Do you ever notice any blooming that extends into the letter box black bars ? I have noticed on my set that whenever there is a bright object close to the top or the bottom of my screen, it leaks into the black bars right above or below. It's so annoying and distracting.

"To the people with blooming." Anyone who doesn't "have blooming," just doesn't see it, despite it being there. The situation you describe is of course one of the more common situations that expose it and I've seen it a lot. Some people never watch in a dimly lit or dark room, and are thus less likely to see it, especially if they watch precisely dead center right in front of the TV, where the LCD pixels are most effective at choking off backlight leakage.

All in all it really doesn't bother me much, and I'm very happy with this TV.
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5/25/12 at 4:38pm
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Originally Posted by rewapyunco View Post

Got my set calibrated last night by D-Nice. Shout out to him, he did an excellent job on my set. I highly recommend him, grab him if he is in your area, you will not be disappointed. He as I were very impressed with the results. I will def use him again. I do all my TV watching front and center so blooming is pretty much a non issue for me. Thanks to all the informative posts. I will be taking a break from this thread and enjoy my "perfect set" at least for me it's perfect until the next best thing comes out :-)

you were in good hands w/dnice, now go enjoy.
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5/25/12 at 6:27pm
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I did see few more contents added to the Internet video app. Other than that I'm not aware of any other changes.

Yeah, but here's what I don't get: Sony's Blu-ray players that have network capability and Sony's TVs have pretty much the same content (maybe exactly the same content, but I haven't checked every single program source.) Yet the TV got an update, but the Blu-ray player (S570) didn't. So I also wonder what was really in that TV update.

If Sony fixes bugs, they probably don't want anyone to know that they had bugs in the first place. But I think that instead of trying to hide things they should be playing up the benefits of the these updates - IMO, it would give them some marketing bang and even if there were bugs, if they're fixed it would demonstrate that they care about their customers more than most people give them credit for. Another wrong- headed move on Sony's part.
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5/26/12 at 2:50am
Hey guys, I'm reading many good reviews and comments about the new HX850 and someone says it's good as our HX920 (your 929) or even better!!
From your point of view is it possible an edge lit become better than a full led array with regards to 2D overall picture quality?!?!
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post #13641 of 15169
5/26/12 at 8:18am
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Originally Posted by thegladiator75 View Post

Hey guys, I'm reading many good reviews and comments about the new HX850 and someone says it's good as our HX920 (your 929) or even better!!
From your point of view is it possible an edge lit become better than a full led array with regards to 2D overall picture quality?!?!

Eventually something will surpass the '929' but not yet, the HX850 is a well done edgelit panel that has really stepped up it game. (Sony is thinking in the right direction, hopefully) I think the HX929 replacement will be the CLED And that's gonna be a big investment 65-70" @ 10K. I sure hope they do those right.

Sony's new Crystal LED screen uses a similar concept, but without the organic aspect. The 16 million inorganic LEDs are arranged on a panel, and each lights up on its own, like OLED. According to Sony, this new technology offers 3.5 times better contrast, 1.4 times wider color, and 10 times faster response time compared to its current LCD panels.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2398732,00.asp
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post #13642 of 15169
5/26/12 at 11:31am
Newbie here from the Netherlands
I'm getting my 65" next week.. after having read all the pages here ( yes, I actually did start at page 1 ), I am starting to get a bit nervous.. Paid over 3700 (euro) for it, so it better be good...
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post #13643 of 15169
5/27/12 at 12:49am
Okay, loving my 929 - hating those freaking 3D TDG-BR100 glasses.
All of the money this set coast, and all of the technical advances Sony used in making this set, why in the heck would they allow such a f*#%ed up design in these 3D glasses?
I haven't used them in months and finally went to watch ''The Immortals 3D and found that each of the 4 pair had dead batteries in them....how did that happen?
I make sure they are turned off after use, which has only been a couple of times to watch movies but mostly to show off the 929 3D capability to friends, I picked up the glasses and....nothing.

Okay, today I need to purchase (4) 3V. CR2032, loving my 929 - hateing those freakin 3D ''TDG-BR100'' glasses.
After the battery replacements I must remember to unscrew that crazy side battery holder plate to take the battery out after every use.
It's bad enough turning them on & off with that little button on the glasses arm front, now you must take out the battery after every use, what a bummer and surly an inspiration killer...

Loving the 65HX929 though...I just needed to rant on those horrible 3D glasses made in China...I hope I never run across the guy who designed these ''TDG-BR100'' 3D glasses...Lol.
Until I purchase the replacements, again - I must remember to take them off, unscrew that crazy side battery holder plate , take the battery out after every use...surly an inspiration killer X 4 = Hate it...Lol.
Peace & blessings.
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5/27/12 at 1:25am
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

Eventually something will surpass the '929' but not yet, the HX850 is a well done edgelit panel that has really stepped up it game. (Sony is thinking in the right direction, hopefully) I think the HX929 replacement will be the CLED And that's gonna be a big investment 65-70" @ 10K. I sure hope they do those right.

Sony's new Crystal LED screen uses a similar concept, but without the organic aspect. The 16 million inorganic LEDs are arranged on a panel, and each lights up on its own, like OLED. According to Sony, this new technology offers 3.5 times better contrast, 1.4 times wider color, and 10 times faster response time compared to its current LCD panels.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2398732,00.asp


Hi Rizzo, I know about CLED but I would like to understand whether the 850 could show an even better PQ than 920/929.
From some reviews seems the 850 has the same PQ even with less blooming. What do you think? It would be reasonable to replace my 920 with an 850 or I'm getting crazy?
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post #13645 of 15169
5/27/12 at 5:32am
After 3 sets of sony 65 hx 925, I have to say goodbye to sony. I can not accept the **** banding on all 3 sets. I get my money back from sony.

Since last friday, I own a panasonic 65vt50..........and yes.......this set is perfect. No banding, fantastic colours, fantastic blacks.........and more than 1000,00 euro cheaper than the banding sony.

Now, I am happy :-)))
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5/27/12 at 9:20am
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Originally Posted by honda steffen View Post

After 3 sets of sony 65 hx 925, I have to say goodbye to sony. I can not accept the **** banding on all 3 sets. I get my money back from sony.

Since last friday, I own a panasonic 65vt50..........and yes.......this set is perfect. No banding, fantastic colours, fantastic blacks.........and more than 1000,00 euro cheaper than the banding sony.

Now, I am happy :-)))

Glad you've got the set that works for you, congrats and enjoy, Too bad you didn't get a 'Good' Sony they are sweet when they work right.
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5/27/12 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by thegladiator75 View Post

Hi Rizzo, I know about CLED but I would like to understand whether the 850 could show an even better PQ than 920/929.
From some reviews seems the 850 has the same PQ even with less blooming. What do you think? It would be reasonable to replace my 920 with an 850 or I'm getting crazy?

Haven't had a chance to do 'hands on inspection' at the local Sony store because they don't have one 'on the floor' yet" possibly being calibrated or at least set up for Peak PQ sans all out ISF calibration. date available ?
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5/27/12 at 2:28pm
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post


Glad you've got the set that works for you, congrats and enjoy, Too bad you didn't get a 'Good' Sony they are sweet when they work right.


As I said, I had 3 sets at home........and I saw 5 sets in shops.......in total 8 sets.........all 8 had banding......this ist terrible!!!!!!
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5/29/12 at 8:38am
Anyone experiencing 65" banding issues? Have the later sets corrected this problem?
I'm kinda getting Sony's attitude toward 929 owner's by deny any existing abnormalities and classifying them as "Within Spec's" and it appears their attention is dailed into and directed at the HX850 and R&D on the CrystalLED panels? One sure way of winning the faith of the buying public is to show them you stand 100% behind what you sell, over the years that type of compassion lost out to the $$$ drive...... the beginning of quality loss.
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5/29/12 at 9:43am
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

... classifying them as "Within Spec's" ...

Did you ask them what the "Spec's" are? If they claim as such, then they must know what the specs are in order to classify them as "Within". Just a thought and some ammunition.
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