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Question 1. Why have the owners here purchased the 65HX929 instead of the Elite 70" ?
Was it because you thought the Sony picture was better or because the Sony was cheaper?
I think the Sony has better color pop and the color is more accurate than the Elite. Elite has the cyan issue. I also noticed color was off in blues and greens too on the Elite. I did a side by side comparison with blu-ray movies, Sony vs Elite.

Question 2. Has Sony stop making the 65HX929? Search, including Sony's website, say's not available. BB doesn't have it in their list either.

Question 3. Will there be a new model? I've heard rumors both ways, yes/no.
Edited by bekindrewind - 8/3/12 at 12:53pm
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Sony has stopped production on the XBR 929 series.
Re: new series, supposedly the 950 series, but nothing positive confirmed yet.
post #14043 of 15540
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

Sony has stopped production on the XBR 929 series.
Re: new series, supposedly the 950 series, but nothing positive confirmed yet.

Safe to assume that they will be heavily discounting the discontinued 929 series? If so, please PM me where I can get one heck of a deal:)
post #14044 of 15540
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Originally Posted by addictaudio View Post

Safe to assume that they will be heavily discounting the discontinued 929 series? If so, please PM me where I can get one heck of a deal:)

Discounting, ha-ha I know your joking, the supply on these are drying up quickly most sites supplies are already depleted. If you hesitate your be SOL.
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

Discounting, ha-ha I know your joking, the supply on these are drying up quickly most sites supplies are already depleted. If you hesitate your be SOL.

I know that you can hook me up?smile.gif I have posted a thread comparing this unit to the Panasonic TV50 plasma, but did not see your reply. What are your thoughts?
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950 gonna be edge lit ????
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Originally Posted by pardes3 View Post

950 gonna be edge lit ????
No way to confirm yet, it is being shown on the Sony site in Turkey.


Edited by IMRIZZO - 8/3/12 at 4:56pm
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Maybe I'm stupid but can someone please explain why a TV with full backlight LED needs local dimming? If the LEDs are behind the LCD, wouldn't that mean that local dimming wasn't necessary if there is a LED for each pixel? If there isn't a LED for each pixel and it is just there to produce light (but not per pixel), why would it be any different than having the LEDs on the edges and then local dimming to block the lights in each zone? What am I missing here biggrin.gif
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Also why would anyone prefer an edge lit versus a full lit back display? Isn't the later much better, and only the 929 and Elite have full lit back displays?
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Originally Posted by addictaudio View Post

Also why would anyone prefer an edge lit versus a full lit back display? Isn't the later much better, and only the 929 and Elite have full lit back displays?

Full array LED is expensive, that's why the retail prices are so high.
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Originally Posted by improwise View Post

Maybe I'm stupid but can someone please explain why a TV with full backlight LED needs local dimming? If the LEDs are behind the LCD, wouldn't that mean that local dimming wasn't necessary if there is a LED for each pixel? If there isn't a LED for each pixel and it is just there to produce light (but not per pixel), why would it be any different than having the LEDs on the edges and then local dimming to block the lights in each zone? What am I missing here biggrin.gif

LED for each pixel ?? that would outrageously expensive the pixel count is 2075520. the cost would probably be in the neighborhood of 25 thousand dollars +. The LED local full array set inc grouping of LED lights in the background that light and dim in sections.
Edited by IMRIZZO - 8/3/12 at 6:47pm
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My experience with IR Remote when 3D is on is similar, but only with my FiOS STB. Other components seem to be affected less --- the remote of the TV itself works fine. Seems like they tested any cross-signaling for the IR only for the Sony set itself and not other components.
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

LED for each pixel ?? that would outrageously expensive the pixel count is 2075520. the cost would probably be in the neighborhood of 25 thousand dollars +. The LED local full array set inc grouping of LED lights in the background that light and dim in sections.

That was what I guessed as well, but then the obvious question would be, how is that any different from local dimming then and why would you need both? It does sound very simliar.
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Edge lit panels usually have light bleeding around the edges of the screen because of the light placement. Also, the lights on the edges have to shoot to fill the pixels in the center of the TV and since the lights have to shoot farther to fill the pixels in the center vs the edge you will usually see uniformity problems. Backlight allows the light to be despersed more evenly for a more uniform picture balance. Local dimming seperates the LEDs into clusters that can be controlled independantly. This allows the LED's to function with less bleeding. If a group of pixels needs to be black the clusters of LEDs can turn off compleatly to give absolute black. Changing the clusters of panels into single independantly controlled LED per pixel would be retarded expensive like Imrizzo was saying. The local dimming that is currently being done in clusters causes the price of the TV to go up $1,000 so just image how expensive it would be for each pixel to be controlled.If they did this it would elimenate the blooming problem that all current LCD's have but most people couldn't afford it.
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Originally Posted by the_sextein View Post

Edge lit panels usually have light bleeding around the edges of the screen because of the light placement. Also, the lights on the edges have to shoot to fill the pixels in the center of the TV and since the lights have to shoot farther to fill the pixels in the center vs the edge you will usually see uniformity problems. Backlight allows the light to be despersed more evenly for a more uniform picture balance. Local dimming seperates the LEDs into clusters that can be controlled independantly. This allows the LED's to function with less bleeding. If a group of pixels needs to be black the clusters of LEDs can turn off compleatly to give absolute black. Changing the clusters of panels into single independantly controlled LED per pixel would be retarded expensive like Imrizzo was saying. The local dimming that is currently being done in clusters causes the price of the TV to go up $1,000 so just image how expensive it would be for each pixel to be controlled.If they did this it would elimenate the blooming problem that all current LCD's have but most people couldn't afford it.

Agreed, I think improwise is misunderstanding the actually meaning or functionality of LED's Full Array ve Edgelit, my XBR8 (46") was outlandishly expensive because of the RGB LED's, the HX929's cost was contained somewhat by use of white LED's. The LCED's where to be with RGB once again with other technologies to achieve it's stunning picture. But now with the collaboration with Panny to create the OLED's, the LCED are on the back burner. Undisclosed cost per unit for 55" LCED was almost 9G's, a price that would get little to no support in today's economy to make it feasible for Sony to pursue for now.
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Originally Posted by improwise View Post

I've seen the HX92 2 times in the last 2 weeks in shops and the clouding has been REALLY bad. In both cases it turned out that the "local dimming" (not sure exactly what it is called in the menusystem) was disabled. Once activated again, the image became MUCH better, with really good blacks and no visible clouding. So, I can't help but to think, why is there even an option to turn it off? After all, the local dimming is the hole idea behind (no phun intended biggrin.gif) this TV. Does it have something to do with input/display lag?

Remember that in a store setup, contrast, brightness and other settings are set really, really high. The set even has a "store demo" mode (or something of the sort) which is one of the first things it asks you to reset when you set it up at home.

Even if local dimming was turned on, clouding is going to be really bad at those settings. In fact, just about everything is going to be really bad at those settings.

First thing I did when I looked at the set at a Sony store was ask the sales person for the remote control so I could bring the settings down to reasonable levels. That made a big difference, even though I didn't attempt an actual alignment. I love the set (55"), but if were doing this all over again, I would walk in with an alignment disc, align the set as best I could and then make an evaluation. It's absurd that they make all these sets look so bad at retail, but when consumers compare TVs on a wall, they're going to choose the one with the most brightness and contrast, not the one that's the most accurate, just as in audio, people will tend to choose the "louder" system.
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Originally Posted by VGI View Post

I just pulled my XBR65929 down from My Family room wall unit and put up my Pana 65VT50 to do a nice A/B comparison. Sony was very nice to give me my 65XBR at a great price as they let dealers get one each year for a superb price. Pana just did the same today so i had to try it.


So far I can tell you that the Sound system on the new Vt50's is very nice and the comparison will start tonight with some DVR shows i am very familiar with.


I can say out of the Box that the XBR is with very little changes had white that were freaking amazing. I am not sure the VT50 can match them but we shall see.


more to come


craig

Did you ever return with the "review" of the HX929 vs VT50?
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Originally Posted by zoetmb View Post

Remember that in a store setup, contrast, brightness and other settings are set really, really high. The set even has a "store demo" mode (or something of the sort) which is one of the first things it asks you to reset when you set it up at home.
Even if local dimming was turned on, clouding is going to be really bad at those settings. In fact, just about everything is going to be really bad at those settings.
First thing I did when I looked at the set at a Sony store was ask the sales person for the remote control so I could bring the settings down to reasonable levels. That made a big difference, even though I didn't attempt an actual alignment. I love the set (55"), but if were doing this all over again, I would walk in with an alignment disc, align the set as best I could and then make an evaluation. It's absurd that they make all these sets look so bad at retail, but when consumers compare TVs on a wall, they're going to choose the one with the most brightness and contrast, not the one that's the most accurate, just as in audio, people will tend to choose the "louder" system.

By Alignment I'm assuming you are referring to Calibration, correct ?
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Are there any new recommended settings since Sony upgraded by software the 929?
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

Are there any new recommended settings since Sony upgraded by software the 929?

I'm still using the same settings.
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I know this is a tough question to answer, but given that it is August 2012 now and that the HX929 line is more than a year old, would you still buy a HX929 if you for some unknown reason had to replace your set today and had kind of the same money to spend? I mean, there are a lot of new sets out now that wasn't available when the HX929 line was introduced like VT50, Sharp etc, but also from Sony like the HX85X. Normally, a TV this old would be "dead in the water" given the normal speed of development, but it's still Sonys best TV as far as I know, and still a top performer.

Again, I know this question is very hard to answer, or rather, that there isn't a "correct answer". Perhaps the real question is rather, would you still be as happy to recommend the HX929 to someone today, as you were when you bought it? Perhaps I should add that even though money of course always is important, it isn't the prime concern here. I realize that there are probably quite a few TVs out there which you could say offer more value for money. Also, as a HTPC owner, the (so called) Smart TV isn't really important to me, picture quality is 95% of my buying decision.

BTW, thanks to everyone for your answers to my previous questions regarding this TV, much appreciated!
Edited by improwise - 8/4/12 at 2:23pm
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Originally Posted by improwise View Post

I know this is a tough question to answer, but given that it is August 2012 now and that the HX929 line is more than a year old, would you still buy a HX929 if you for some unknown reason had to replace your set today and had kind of the same money to spend? I mean, there are a lot of new sets out now that wasn't available when the HX929 line was introduced like VT50, Sharp etc, but also from Sony like the HX85X. Normally, a TV this old would be "dead in the water" given the normal speed of development, but it's still Sonys best TV as far as I know, and still a top performer.
Again, I know this question is very hard to answer, or rather, that there isn't a "correct answer". Perhaps the real question is rather, would you still be as happy to recommend the HX929 to someone today, as you were when you bought it? Perhaps I should add that even though money of course always is important, it isn't the prime concern here. I realize that there are probably quite a few TVs out there which you could say offer more value for money. Also, as a HTPC owner, the (so called) Smart TV isn't really important to me, picture quality is 95% of my buying decision.
BTW, thanks to everyone for your answers to my previous questions regarding this TV, much appreciated!

Without a doubt ! I would buy it again and of course recommend it to others.
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

Without a doubt ! I would buy it again and of course recommend it to others.

Great! My I be bold enough as to ask which your runner up would be if the HX929 wasn't available any more? biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by improwise View Post

Great! My I be bold enough as to ask which your runner up would be if the HX929 wasn't available any more? biggrin.gif

Probably the Panasonic VT50
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improwise, thanks for the great question. I was thinking the same thing. I have been wanting to buy this TV for a year. IMRIZZO thank you for your reply.

Vince
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Thanks for the turkish site picture IMRIZZO. I see where more rumors of no 65" came from.
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Originally Posted by bekindrewind View Post

Question 1. Why have the owners here purchased the 65HX929 instead of the Elite 70" ?
Was it because you thought the Sony picture was better or because the Sony was cheaper?
I think the Sony has better color pop and the color is more accurate than the Elite. Elite has the cyan issue. I also noticed color was off in blues and greens too on the Elite. I did a side by side comparison with blu-ray movies, Sony vs Elite.
Question 2. Has Sony stop making the 65HX929? Search, including Sony's website, say's not available. BB doesn't have it in their list either.
Question 3. Will there be a new model? I've heard rumors both ways, yes/no.

No one wants to reply to question 1?
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If I were going to buy a TV right now I would still buy the HX929 as well. The main reason for me is that the VT50 would be my next choice for picture quality but for the things I do with my TV I would rather stay with LED LCD. I use my TV as a computer monitor where I play games and video edit for hours. I don't want the program huds or internet explorer to burn into my screen. For PC gaming I prefer the advantages of LCD. When it comes down to movies I feel like Plasmas usually have the advantage in a dark room. However the HX929 can compete with top of the line Plasmas as well and it can be used in dark and bright conditions so it just seemed to be all around more versatile TV in my opinion.

When it comes to watching movies in the dark the VT50 is a fantastic alternative. With the HX929 you get minor blooming and with the VT50 you will see minor image retention at times. Both screens will deliver satisfactory image quality for those of us that are IQ freaks. Some minor things that give the HX929 further advantage would be that the TV is more light weight, uses less power, puts off less heat, makes no noise and is only an inch and a half thick. I know that CNET gave the HX929 a great review when compared to other LCD TV's but they did rate some top notch plasmas higher. However if you look at the calibration settings that they used when they did the review you will see that they had the TV set up in a way that does not try to compete with Plasma picture. It is very bright and washed out compared to the settings most people use around here. If they used much darker settings that are more in line with a plasma they would have got image quality that was more in line with the VT50. Home Theater review had it right in my opinion.

The only reason I would buy anything other than the HX929 at this point in time is if I regularly watched the TV from off axis angles. The HX929 picture quality will fall apart and angles larger than 30. Since I sit front and center all the time this problem did not and does not concern me.
Edited by the_sextein - 8/4/12 at 10:38pm
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Originally Posted by vtalon View Post

improwise, thanks for the great question. I was thinking the same thing. I have been wanting to buy this TV for a year. IMRIZZO thank you for your reply.
Vince

The main problem with the HX929 is it's price, or rather, it's value. Here in Sweden, it's now 70% of the price it had when introduced, which at 40 000 Swedish kronor (about $US 6000) for the 65" which still makes it the most expensive TV on the market (if you don't count the very special ones). The 65VT50 for example is at lest $US500 below that and it's brand new. Somehow that doesn't feel right for a 2011 model, even though I must say that overall, the HX929 might still be the better TV of the 2.

(I assume that the "no price talk" is mainly about "buy it here and here for XXX money, not pricetalk, ie value, in general).
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Originally Posted by the_sextein View Post

If I were going to buy a TV right now I would still buy the HX929 as well. The main reason for me is that the VT50 would be my next choice for picture quality but for the things I do with my TV I would rather stay with LED LCD. I use my TV as a computer monitor where I play games and video edit for hours. I don't want the program huds or internet explorer to burn into my screen. For PC gaming I prefer the advantages of LCD. When it comes down to movies I feel like Plasmas usually have the advantage in a dark room. However the HX929 can compete with top of the line Plasmas as well and it can be used in dark and bright conditions so it just seemed to be all around more versatile TV in my opinion.

Thank you very much for a detailes answer which deals with many of the questions I have been thinking about as well. I think you are correct that in a dark room, the VT50 will probably offer a picture that is slightly better (or perhaps one should say "more cinematic") but for other usage, I believe the HX929 is more versatile.

Also, have to agree with you on the settings issue, even though I have never owned a LCD/LED (TV at least), surely it must be possible to lower brightness etc and receive an image much more similar to the plasma TVs (at least on the higher end TVs like the HX929).
Edited by improwise - 8/5/12 at 6:57am
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