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post #14791 of 15535
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Originally Posted by akadennis View Post

Interesting mine also turns itself off every now and then. I never noticed about the red light blinking though. It doesnt happen often so I never did call Sony. I wonder if I should call them now. I'll def monitor my set now and see if the light blinks. This TV has 2 years manufactor's warranty, correct?

The XBR set apparently has an 18 month warranty. I would suggest you may want to contact SONY, if nothing else than to log in this concern. It "could" be something as simple as the sensor that alerts that something (one of two cats in my case) or someone is too close to the screen. Frankly, I turned off this sensor on my set, as it is more of a potential bother than anything. On the otherhand, it could be one of the circuit boards similar to what was wrong with mine.

The blinking light was one of the first things that the representative asked about when I called. It somewhat surprised me that they could diagnosis using this code. Based on the replacement of the VERY small circuit board that they replaced in my set, it appears that they hit the problem first time. Hopefully, and "knock on wood" that completely solved the problem. So far so good!

Best Regards,

GPHVIDEO
post #14792 of 15535
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Originally Posted by zoetmb View Post

Glad it worked out. And yes, most electronics today are about boards - it's rare that anyone replaces anything on a circuit board anymore because everything is so tiny that it all has to be done by machine. My bet is that the only reason they sent two people was in case the set needed to be lifted. I've tried to repair some headphone cables recently and the wires are so fine that it's almost impossible to tin them. They just won't take the solder.
My analog set was a 1984 vintage Sony. It performed brilliantly. But some years ago, it started shutting itself off in the Summer. I thought it was a circuit breaker responding to the heat, but in reality, my apartment was probably cooler in the Summer with the AC on then it was on Spring and Fall. So then I decided that perhaps the electric utility was cutting back the voltage a bit in the summer and perhaps the set was sensitive to that. But the set would always come back to life in September, usually right before premiere week, so I never did anything about it.
One year it didn't come back in September, so I brought the set into a local repair shop who at first balked at fixing it because he said he couldn't get any parts. But I begged, and it turned out there was a hairline crack in the main circuit board, which probably happened when I moved. He re-soldered the connections and also, without my asking and at no charge, aligned the convergence. The set came back better than new. I finally got rid of the set about two years ago when it was about 25 years old and STILL working perfectly (only the original remote had died after dropping it about 500 times). SONY really made great sets in those days. It was an expensive set in its time, but 25 years of use proved it was well worth it.
Because the technology changes so quickly, my bet is that my HX929 doesn't even make five years.


It's just amazing remembering what the inside of the old (prior to flat panels) TV's looked like, and now seeing just a few circuit boards on the inside of the LCD panels. I will admit, I don't know what I thought I would be seeing, but I was indeed surprised. I think the days of "reparing" electronics is coming to a close. It's just pull one board out and put the new one in. The scale of the printed circuits on the boards does not easily facilitate working on the boards.

I think the reason that they sent the two repairmen was that I made sure when I called that they understood, my set was NOT on a stand. It was mounted on the wall with perhaps every plug on the back of the set "plugged in". When it was originally installed, I was NOT planning to take it down to plug ANYTHING in..........smile.gif Lucklily, they listened to me because it really took all three of us to get the panel down and then reinstalled on the wall.

I've got a small tube set (Sony) that I've had for many years with really NO problems at all. For some reason............Sadly, I don't think the new LCD's are going to be as trouble free anything like the old sets. I hope I'm wrong.

Best Regards,

GPHVIDEO
post #14793 of 15535
These sets are basically all computer boards and chips, and an LCD or LED panel and like computers they sometimes encounter hiccups or burps that upset programing results.
post #14794 of 15535
Does anyone else's HX929 have color saturation uniformity issues? Sony still insists this is "normal".


post #14795 of 15535
Good grief Stevedensmore, go away! Nobody cares, anymore!
post #14796 of 15535
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Originally Posted by stevedensmore View Post

Does anyone else's HX929 have color saturation uniformity issues? Sony still insists this is "normal".

Picture looks great Steve....wish my plasma looked that great. Question for you 929 owners. I'm close to getting a Sony. Since the 950 went up in price and BB still has them in stock (the 929) should I go that route for a few hundred dollars less?
post #14797 of 15535
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Originally Posted by Browninggold View Post

Picture looks great Steve....wish my plasma looked that great. Question for you 929 owners. I'm close to getting a Sony. Since the 950 went up in price and BB still has them in stock (the 929) should I go that route for a few hundred dollars less?

I would definitely go for the 929, if you read through the 950 thread you'll notice a lot of the owners posting there are indicating the PQ on the 929 is better.
post #14798 of 15535
Thanks Rizz appreciate the input. One other question. The 929 has the camera. I read somewhere one of the functions of that is to get the best picture. It measures where you sit and adjust to that. Is this true and does it work? Maybe that's why it's a better unit. Fine tunes the PQ for you.
post #14799 of 15535
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Originally Posted by Browninggold View Post

Thanks Rizz appreciate the input. One other question. The 929 has the camera. I read somewhere one of the functions of that is to get the best picture. It measures where you sit and adjust to that. Is this true and does it work? Maybe that's why it's a better unit. Fine tunes the PQ for you.

I have this feature turned off because of the PQ quality shift when it senses room illumination changes.

CAMERA MODULE
A USB camera is located on the front bezel below the Sony logo.
Special software is located inside IC9000 to use the camera for
power and picture control management. Face recognition software
can determine whether someone is viewing the television. The
number of people, distance from the TV, location from center, and
whether the person(s) are looking at the television provides data to
control the picture brightness and contrast. A lack of face recognition
(no one viewing the television) can also be used to turn off the
backlights, and, eventually turn the TV off for power savings.
post #14800 of 15535
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

I have this feature turned off because of the PQ quality shift when it senses room illumination changes.






Not to mention the extremely uncomfortable feeling that your TV is watching you! wink.gif
post #14801 of 15535
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Originally Posted by GPHVIDEO View Post

The XBR set apparently has an 18 month warranty. I would suggest you may want to contact SONY, if nothing else than to log in this concern. It "could" be something as simple as the sensor that alerts that something (one of two cats in my case) or someone is too close to the screen. Frankly, I turned off this sensor on my set, as it is more of a potential bother than anything. On the otherhand, it could be one of the circuit boards similar to what was wrong with mine.
The blinking light was one of the first things that the representative asked about when I called. It somewhat surprised me that they could diagnosis using this code. Based on the replacement of the VERY small circuit board that they replaced in my set, it appears that they hit the problem first time. Hopefully, and "knock on wood" that completely solved the problem. So far so good!
Best Regards,
GPHVIDEO

I was actually waiting for it to happen again and see if the red light blinks, but like I said it hardly happens. Think I'll call anyway.
post #14802 of 15535
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

I have this feature turned off because of the PQ quality shift when it senses room illumination changes.
CAMERA MODULE........

Holy COW !! I think I'd turn it off also. eek.gif

In the '60's, my grandmother, who said, "someday there will be a box on the side to deposit coins to watch this thing", also wondered if they could see us. smile.gif

....Now I guess they can. Just a matter of time before a firmware update will tell 'mother' who's watching being watched.
post #14803 of 15535
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Originally Posted by ccrider2 View Post

Holy COW !! I think I'd turn it off also. eek.gif
In the '60's, my grandmother, who said, "someday there will be a box on the side to deposit coins to watch this thing", also wondered if they could see us. smile.gif
....Now I guess they can. Just a matter of time before a firmware update will tell 'mother' who's watching being watched.

It'll be dispatched to her Iphone by a special Sony Ap.
post #14804 of 15535
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

It'll be dispatched to her Iphone by a special Sony Ap.

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post #14805 of 15535
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

... if you read through the 950 thread you'll notice a lot of the owners posting there are indicating the PQ on the 929 is better.

Funny how that works out huh?
post #14806 of 15535
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Originally Posted by amatot View Post

Funny how that works out huh?

so true, reverse progress ?
post #14807 of 15535
UPDATE System Software Update Release Date 12/12/2012 Version PKG4.017AAA File Size 64.81 MB Sony has designed the BRAVIA® Television's software update process to be customer friendly. This software update (version PKG4.017AAA) provides the following benefits:
Improvements over version PKG4.012AAA:
Improved performance and stability of the Internet features
Benefits provided by previous updates and included in version PKG4.017AAA:
Adds the ability to use the Skype® online calling service
Adds the "What's New" feature
Media Remote (Software keyboard, Full / Simple Remote and Shake Track ID)
VAIO® Remote Keyboard
Media Remote (text by voice)
Audio Theatre Control Widget
WMV/WMA Codec for DLNA / USB
Adds the capability for 3D via USB (3D models only and requires 3D active glasses)
Note: Allows you to view your Bloggie® 3D camera content when connected through the USB port on your TV
Improves performance and stability of IPTV (Internet Protocol TV) features
Note: IPTV allows you to enjoy HD (High Definition) programming from the Internet on your BRAVIA television that is connected
post #14808 of 15535
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Originally Posted by akadennis View Post

looks like a new firmware update today, anyone know what does it address?

Didn't check to see if anyone answered this yet on the subsequent pages, but my guess is that it updated Pandora so it would work again. Pandora changed their server configuration or something. While that doesn't sound like it would affect the user application, who knows?
post #14809 of 15535
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Originally Posted by stevedensmore View Post

Does anyone else's HX929 have color saturation uniformity issues? Sony still insists this is "normal".


If you're complaining about (in the 2nd image) that the green on the left is different than the green on the right, give us a break!! You don't know if it's the same green in the original. Lighting conditions, angle of the camera, etc. can all contribute to those things being different. Same for the grass in a football game. How do you know the field is evenly lit? How do you know that the grass is exactly the same color?

And even though I usually don't endorse the use of test slides because they don't represent real-world material, in this case, that would be a better test.

I used to think I had a problem in the corners of my TV on certain program material until I realized that the particular ads that gave me the problem had a vignette effect applied.

Most movie theatres projecting 35mm film, even screening rooms (which generally have more exacting standards), have terrible artifacts: under-lit screens, uneven screen brightness, soft lenses, cut-off images, improper aspect ratio presentation, etc. While some of those issues are resolved with digital presentations, they have a whole set of their own artifacts: screen door effects, parallax distortion (especially when the digital projector isn't in the center hole of the projection booth), leaving the 3D filter on for 2D presentations, etc.

It's never going to be perfect.

There is no set, at any price, that reproduces everything perfectly in all circumstances. It's 135 years since Edison's phonograph and 64 years since the Audio Engineering Society was formed and much audio reproduction, in spite of all the technological advances, still sucks (some would say it's gotten worse over time). Video is a lot more complicated and it's been around (especially digital video) for a lot less time.

I think you need to stop obsessing and just enjoy the TV.
post #14810 of 15535
There's so many pages in this thread that I'm not sure if this issue has been solved or not.

Basically I enjoy the effect that Motionflow & Cinemotion give when both turned on.

Jittery Motionflow: The first problem I have is that when I use either "Standard" or "Smooth" mode along with Cinemotion set to Auto 1, the TV seems to struggle to keep that smoothness going at all times. Auto 2 is better but doesn't provide the 'soap opera effect'. Occasionally the image will be jittery for a few seconds if it's handling major movements. Such as fast moving objects or an IMAX shot in Dark Knight Rises for example. Then it'll shift back into the "Smooth" effect once the major movement stops.

Translucent Smudging Around Objects: Another thing I notice is that when objects pass over another object while they are moving, the motionflow creates this weird translucent "smudging" around the object. It's not incredibly distracting but it's annoying nonetheless.

I've seen TV sets in the stores where this Motionflow effect is consistent and is never jittery. Nor do I notice any translucent smudging like on my set. This happens even when I'm playing a BluRay in both my PS3 and also my computer via BluRay drive. It happens with video games and other video files on my computer.

My question is if this is something that everyone experiences when using Motionflow & Cinemotion or if it's just my set? If anyone else has had this issue do they know how to fix it? Or do I have to just give up on the Motionflow altogether despite enjoying the effect?

My picture adjustment settings are perfect as far as image quality. But I'm not sure if one of these settings is causing this issue or if my set is defective? Here are my settings in case you need them.


Picture Mode: Standard (I've tried the same settings on Custom as well)
Backlight: Max
Picture: Max
Brightness: 45
Color: 40
Hue: 0
Color Temperature: Warm 1
Sharpness: 50
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Dot Noise Reduction: Off
Reality Creation: Auto
Smooth Gradation: Off
Motionflow: Smooth (Standard on Video Games)
CineMotion: Auto 1
Black Corrector: Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Gamma: 0
LED Dynamic Control: Standard
Auto Light Limiter: Off
Clear White: Low
Live Color: Off
White Balance: Default
Detail Enhancer: Off
Edge Enhancer: Off
Skin Naturalizer: Off (Greyed Out)
i/p Conversion Preference: Quality (Greyed Out)
post #14811 of 15535
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Originally Posted by zoetmb View Post

I think you need to stop obsessing and just enjoy the TV.

+1

I cannot comment on the Capital One advertisement as I "really" try NOT to watch advertising. So I don't even know how it is suppose to look. However, I know the football game that he showed in the top photograph was definitely played under the lights, and it was a night game. No way will the these two conditions, one a prepared advertisement, and the other a broadcast of a night football game, be comparable. It just simply will NOT be a good comparison to evaluate PQ.

On the other hand, I did watch that football game on my 929, and I can tell you, if you saw the game, it was a MOST enjoyable football game (and I could not begin to tell you what color the grass was)............GO GATORS!!!!

Best Regards,

GPHVIDEO
post #14812 of 15535
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Originally Posted by stevedensmore View Post

Does anyone else's HX929 have color saturation uniformity issues? Sony still insists this is "normal".



Why not post test patterns from S&M?
post #14813 of 15535
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Originally Posted by zoetmb View Post

If you're complaining about (in the 2nd image) that the green on the left is different than the green on the right, give us a break!! You don't know if it's the same green in the original. Lighting conditions, angle of the camera, etc. can all contribute to those things being different. Same for the grass in a football game. How do you know the field is evenly lit? How do you know that the grass is exactly the same color?
And even though I usually don't endorse the use of test slides because they don't represent real-world material, in this case, that would be a better test.
I used to think I had a problem in the corners of my TV on certain program material until I realized that the particular ads that gave me the problem had a vignette effect applied.
Most movie theatres projecting 35mm film, even screening rooms (which generally have more exacting standards), have terrible artifacts: under-lit screens, uneven screen brightness, soft lenses, cut-off images, improper aspect ratio presentation, etc. While some of those issues are resolved with digital presentations, they have a whole set of their own artifacts: screen door effects, parallax distortion (especially when the digital projector isn't in the center hole of the projection booth), leaving the 3D filter on for 2D presentations, etc.
It's never going to be perfect.
There is no set, at any price, that reproduces everything perfectly in all circumstances. It's 135 years since Edison's phonograph and 64 years since the Audio Engineering Society was formed and much audio reproduction, in spite of all the technological advances, still sucks (some would say it's gotten worse over time). Video is a lot more complicated and it's been around (especially digital video) for a lot less time.
I think you need to stop obsessing and just enjoy the TV.

This color shift is evident in all viewing material. Let me guess, every football field in the nation has the same light falloff. As for the ad, it doesn't matter which green is the "right" green, they're supposed to be the same color!
post #14814 of 15535
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

Why not post test patterns from S&M?

I've already posted test patterns, and people yelled at me, because "no one sits around, and watches test patterns".
post #14815 of 15535
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Originally Posted by GPHVIDEO View Post

+1
I cannot comment on the Capital One advertisement as I "really" try NOT to watch advertising. So I don't even know how it is suppose to look. However, I know the football game that he showed in the top photograph was definitely played under the lights, and it was a night game. No way will the these two conditions, one a prepared advertisement, and the other a broadcast of a night football game, be comparable. It just simply will NOT be a good comparison to evaluate PQ.
On the other hand, I did watch that football game on my 929, and I can tell you, if you saw the game, it was a MOST enjoyable football game (and I could not begin to tell you what color the grass was)............GO GATORS!!!!
Best Regards,
GPHVIDEO

I'm simply showing the difference in color saturation levels. When I play NBA 2K13, both sides of the court are a different color shade. I'm not trying to argue with anyone, just wondering if I'm the ONLY one with an HX929 that exhibits this problem.
post #14816 of 15535
Can someone please read my post and help me out? These two things i am noticing when using Motionflow & Cinemotion on my 46" HX929

Jittery Motionflow: The first problem I have is that when I use either "Standard" or "Smooth" mode along with Cinemotion set to Auto 1, the TV seems to struggle to keep that smoothness going at all times. Auto 2 is better but doesn't provide the 'soap opera effect'. Occasionally the image will be jittery for a few seconds if it's handling major movements. Such as fast moving objects or an IMAX shot in Dark Knight Rises for example. Then it'll shift back into the "Smooth" effect once the major movement stops.

Translucent Smudging Around Objects: Another thing I notice is that when objects pass over another object while they are moving, the motionflow creates this weird translucent "smudging" around the object. It's not incredibly distracting but it's annoying nonetheless.
post #14817 of 15535
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Originally Posted by stevedensmore View Post

I'm simply showing the difference in color saturation levels. When I play NBA 2K13, both sides of the court are a different color shade. I'm not trying to argue with anyone, just wondering if I'm the ONLY one with an HX929 that exhibits this problem.

Hi, I own the 920 (european version of 929) and I'm completely agree with you. Your set is defective and Sony should solve the issue replacing your panel (since it's clearly a panel saturation problem)!

I don't understand why people here are trying to convince you your set is ok, to enjoy the picture and bla bla bla.
That advertisement (the 2nd picture) is supposed to show the same shade of green in both left and right side of the panel, no discussion! Instead your set shows a strong (!!) difference between the two sides and I can well understand you are noticing it on all material.

Sony should admit your set is not working well!! Full stop.
post #14818 of 15535
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Originally Posted by nemesis4670 View Post

Can someone please read my post and help me out? These two things i am noticing when using Motionflow & Cinemotion on my 46" HX929
Jittery Motionflow: The first problem I have is that when I use either "Standard" or "Smooth" mode along with Cinemotion set to Auto 1, the TV seems to struggle to keep that smoothness going at all times. Auto 2 is better but doesn't provide the 'soap opera effect'. Occasionally the image will be jittery for a few seconds if it's handling major movements. Such as fast moving objects or an IMAX shot in Dark Knight Rises for example. Then it'll shift back into the "Smooth" effect once the major movement stops.
Translucent Smudging Around Objects: Another thing I notice is that when objects pass over another object while they are moving, the motionflow creates this weird translucent "smudging" around the object. It's not incredibly distracting but it's annoying nonetheless.

Have you tried Clear?

Standard and smooth will create artifacts because of how they work. Clear is much better for motion.

Aaron
post #14819 of 15535
The images shown definitely depict a faulty panel.
post #14820 of 15535
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Originally Posted by nemesis4670 View Post

Can someone please read my post and help me out? These two things i am noticing when using Motionflow & Cinemotion on my 46" HX929
Jittery Motionflow: The first problem I have is that when I use either "Standard" or "Smooth" mode along with Cinemotion set to Auto 1, the TV seems to struggle to keep that smoothness going at all times. Auto 2 is better but doesn't provide the 'soap opera effect'. Occasionally the image will be jittery for a few seconds if it's handling major movements. Such as fast moving objects or an IMAX shot in Dark Knight Rises for example. Then it'll shift back into the "Smooth" effect once the major movement stops.]

My 46" HX929 behaves the same way. Every time I've tried to use Cinemotion set to Auto 1 combined with any of the Motionflow settings I too see a one or two second video jitter especially in quick scene changes or up and down or angled pans, then it "catches up" and is ok until the next quick scene change. Doesn't matter if I choose Motionflow off, smooth, standard, clear or clear plus. I have just resorted to turning Cinemotion completely off and using Motionflow set at clear. My old Philips set did not behave this way.
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