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post #14881 of 15539
Proud owner of an HX929, but I will confirm the input lag. It is most noticable in FPS games like Call of Duty Black Ops II on PS3.

When your character dies in multiplayer, you get to see the 'kill cam' which shows their perspective. You wonder how they were able to see you and get 3 shots off before you fire. It wasn't until I played on my parent's 2009 panasonic 46' that I was able to confirm this.

Now this is not a deal breaker, as i bought the tv for PQ for movies, not games. Is that an excuse? No, i think it sucks a TV this expensive can't do was a 32"/37" alpha ips panel can do.

I might just get a 32" just for FPS games.
post #14882 of 15539
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Originally Posted by Jawad View Post

Proud owner of an HX929, but I will confirm the input lag. It is most noticable in FPS games like Call of Duty Black Ops II on PS3.

When your character dies in multiplayer, you get to see the 'kill cam' which shows their perspective. You wonder how they were able to see you and get 3 shots off before you fire. It wasn't until I played on my parent's 2009 panasonic 46' that I was able to confirm this.

Now this is not a deal breaker, as i bought the tv for PQ for movies, not games. Is that an excuse? No, i think it sucks a TV this expensive can't do was a 32"/37" alpha ips panel can do.

I might just get a 32" just for FPS games.

Hi Jawad,

Hmmm I just dont know what to do..
I think the TV is fantastic, it is used in the living room for everything. But also I want to use it as my main gaming screen for Xbox360 and PS3. I do notice the lag when in standard mode with all the extras enabled, but in Gaming-Mode it seems to be fine! This mode disables stuff like local dimming and motion-flow and also sets the IPS to speed from Quality. Picture is still very good with a little less pop but much more responsive.
Do you have that issue in gaming-mode also??
I am wondering if I should exchange the 920 for a 850 Model. That one seems to have minor input lag according to some reviews I found..
post #14883 of 15539
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Originally Posted by Jawad View Post

Proud owner of an HX929, but I will confirm the input lag. It is most noticable in FPS games like Call of Duty Black Ops II on PS3.

When your character dies in multiplayer, you get to see the 'kill cam' which shows their perspective. You wonder how they were able to see you and get 3 shots off before you fire. It wasn't until I played on my parent's 2009 panasonic 46' that I was able to confirm this.

Now this is not a deal breaker, as i bought the tv for PQ for movies, not games. Is that an excuse? No, i think it sucks a TV this expensive can't do was a 32"/37" alpha ips panel can do.

I might just get a 32" just for FPS games.


I get no noticeable input lag at all with any game on any system on the 929 in the Game Scene (retro consoles, PC, newest consoles). In fact, this is the least amount of lag I've had on a TV since CRT. Are you using the Game Scene? I definitely get lag in other scenes like Cinema. I know right away if I'm not on Game Scene because my mouse cursor feels sluggish.
post #14884 of 15539
I am using my 55HX929 in Game Scene mode.

The PS3 is connected to my Denon AVR-1911, my receiver then outputs it to the TV.

It's not noticeable until you play FPS games. I have no problems with need for speed or nba 2k13.
FPS games are all about timing.
post #14885 of 15539
I'm going to bypass my receiver tonight and see how I do when the kill cam comes on.
post #14886 of 15539
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Originally Posted by Datacide View Post

I get no noticeable input lag at all with any game on any system on the 929 in the Game Scene (retro consoles, PC, newest consoles). In fact, this is the least amount of lag I've had on a TV since CRT. Are you using the Game Scene? I definitely get lag in other scenes like Cinema. I know right away if I'm not on Game Scene because my mouse cursor feels sluggish.

Do you have the 55" or the 46" Version of the TV? I am wondering if the 46" have any difference in lag..not every size uses the same panel.
post #14887 of 15539
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Originally Posted by Jawad View Post

I'm going to bypass my receiver tonight and see how I do when the kill cam comes on.

Wow that would be interesting to know thx!
I am also on the lookout for a HDMI-Receiver and if you notice any lag difference, it would be best to attach the console directly to the TV...
post #14888 of 15539
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Originally Posted by Micro View Post

Hello I would like to ask a question about firmware. I had my television professionally calibrated and was told to keep the auto update off because it may change things that he had changed. Has anyone had their television change settings after a firmware download? And should I do it or keep it off. I will send an email asking this question also and find out what his thoughts are on this issue also.

The only thing I noticed after this update was my picture quality went down. Slightly softer.... I use Darbee and this set had the best picture I've ever encountered anywhere on anything. Not now however. They did say during the update settings might change. It would be nice to know what settings? Now I have to go back to square one to find what shifted. Fortunately I didn't change much from the factory settings so maybe this won't be too challenging.

This will be the last time I load an update without knowing what they are changing.
post #14889 of 15539
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Originally Posted by Testpattern View Post

The only thing I noticed after this update was my picture quality went down. Slightly softer.... I use Darbee and this set had the best picture I've ever encountered anywhere on anything. Not now however. They did say during the update settings might change. It would be nice to know what settings? Now I have to go back to square one to find what shifted. Fortunately I didn't change much from the factory settings so maybe this won't be too challenging.

This will be the last time I load an update without knowing what they are changing.
I have taken every firmware update (on date of release) since may 2012 and never experienced any problems with only a one time minor incident. and my setting where never once altered and one time I felt a slight improvement in PQ.
post #14890 of 15539
I don't see any difference on my 65hx929 with the newest software update. Not once did any of the software updates improve or downgrade my pq in any way, and they also never changed my picture settings. Donno why anyone would be having issues with this...
post #14891 of 15539
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Originally Posted by Hdfanboy444 View Post

I don't see any difference on my 65hx929 with the newest software update. Not once did any of the software updates improve or downgrade my pq in any way, and they also never changed my picture settings. Donno why anyone would be having issues with this...
Because Sony makes that disclaimer to cover their ass....ets.
post #14892 of 15539
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Originally Posted by Micro View Post

Hello I would like to ask a question about firmware. I had my television professionally calibrated and was told to keep the auto update off because it may change things that he had changed. Has anyone had their television change settings after a firmware download? And should I do it or keep it off. I will send an email asking this question also and find out what his thoughts are on this issue also.

The updates always have a warning stating that they might change settings, but I've never seen them actually do so. I keep a spreadsheet of all my settings and they've never changed in any way. And as someone else stated, none of the updates ever seemed to have anything to do with picture quality -- they seem to all have to do with internet services and the like. So I think you're safe, but I also think it's a very good idea to keep track of all your settings.
post #14893 of 15539
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Originally Posted by DaMac78 View Post

Do you have the 55" or the 46" Version of the TV? I am wondering if the 46" have any difference in lag..not every size uses the same panel.

I have the 55".
post #14894 of 15539
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Originally Posted by Jawad View Post

I am using my 55HX929 in Game Scene mode.

The PS3 is connected to my Denon AVR-1911, my receiver then outputs it to the TV.

It's not noticeable until you play FPS games. I have no problems with need for speed or nba 2k13.
FPS games are all about timing.

Yeah, the bulk of my gaming is FPS. I still haven't had any lag issues.
post #14895 of 15539
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

nothng PQ related, just apps and other connectivity settings.

I have never seen a PQ upgrade in any of the firmware updates in my 929 or my XBR8 ?? I wish they would announce what changes are to be installed, leaving the choice to update up to me ??

Looks like sony updated their firmware update page finally

Sony has designed the BRAVIA® Television's software update process to be customer friendly. This software update (version PKG4.019AAA) provides the following benefits:
Improvements over version PKG4.017AAA:
•Improved performance and stability of the Internet features

Benefits provided by previous updates and included in version PKG4.019AAA:
•Adds the ability to use the Skype® online calling service
•Adds the "What's New" feature
•Media Remote (Software keyboard, Full / Simple Remote and Shake Track ID)
•VAIO® Remote Keyboard
•Media Remote (text by voice)
•Audio Theatre Control Widget
•WMV/WMA Codec for DLNA / USB
•Adds the capability for 3D via USB (3D models only and requires 3D active glasses)
Note: Allows you to view your Bloggie® 3D camera content when connected through the USB port on your TV
•Improves performance and stability of IPTV (Internet Protocol TV) features
Note: IPTV allows you to enjoy HD (High Definition) programming from the Internet on your BRAVIA television that is connected to a broadband Internet connection
post #14896 of 15539
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Originally Posted by akadennis View Post

Looks like sony updated their firmware update page finally

Sony has designed the BRAVIA® Television's software update process to be customer friendly. This software update (version PKG4.019AAA) provides the following benefits:
Improvements over version PKG4.017AAA:
•Improved performance and stability of the Internet features

Benefits provided by previous updates and included in version PKG4.019AAA:
•Adds the ability to use the Skype® online calling service
•Adds the "What's New" feature
•Media Remote (Software keyboard, Full / Simple Remote and Shake Track ID)
•VAIO® Remote Keyboard
•Media Remote (text by voice)
•Audio Theatre Control Widget
•WMV/WMA Codec for DLNA / USB
•Adds the capability for 3D via USB (3D models only and requires 3D active glasses)
Note: Allows you to view your Bloggie® 3D camera content when connected through the USB port on your TV
•Improves performance and stability of IPTV (Internet Protocol TV) features
Note: IPTV allows you to enjoy HD (High Definition) programming from the Internet on your BRAVIA television that is connected to a broadband Internet connection

As I noted earlier, nothing pertaining to PQ or PQ enhancements, nor anything in regards to possible firmware to address banding or DSE ?? Wake up Sony !
post #14897 of 15539
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Originally Posted by Datacide View Post

I have the 55".

Well thats great! Seems you are very happy with the performance in Game-Scene. I have to say that I also had no problems as soon as changing to Game-Scene.
I would think its around 30ms input lag when in Game-Scene. VERY nice TV!
The only imperfection I found on this set is some DSE.. But no clowding or banding even with Led dynamic controll off. DSE is not cool, bit I can live with it as it is not always seen. I dont think there even is a panel from this series without any DSE. Still, love the TV and will never go back to Samsung..
post #14898 of 15539
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Originally Posted by akadennis View Post

Looks like sony updated their firmware update page finally

Sony has designed the BRAVIA® Television's software update process to be customer friendly. This software update (version PKG4.019AAA) provides the following benefits:
Improvements over version PKG4.017AAA:
•Improved performance and stability of the Internet features

Benefits provided by previous updates and included in version PKG4.019AAA:
•Adds the ability to use the Skype® online calling service
•Adds the "What's New" feature
•Media Remote (Software keyboard, Full / Simple Remote and Shake Track ID)
•VAIO® Remote Keyboard
•Media Remote (text by voice)
•Audio Theatre Control Widget
•WMV/WMA Codec for DLNA / USB
•Adds the capability for 3D via USB (3D models only and requires 3D active glasses)
Note: Allows you to view your Bloggie® 3D camera content when connected through the USB port on your TV
•Improves performance and stability of IPTV (Internet Protocol TV) features
Note: IPTV allows you to enjoy HD (High Definition) programming from the Internet on your BRAVIA television that is connected to a broadband Internet connection


It's never about PQ and always about "internet performance".
Valuable to some but completely useless to me.
That is why I leave auto update off. All my internet stuff I do much more quickly through my TiVo because it packs nice horsepower so the wireless on my 929 stays off.
post #14899 of 15539
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Originally Posted by Jawad View Post

Proud owner of an HX929, but I will confirm the input lag. It is most noticable in FPS games like Call of Duty Black Ops II on PS3.

When your character dies in multiplayer, you get to see the 'kill cam' which shows their perspective. You wonder how they were able to see you and get 3 shots off before you fire. It wasn't until I played on my parent's 2009 panasonic 46' that I was able to confirm this.

Now this is not a deal breaker, as i bought the tv for PQ for movies, not games. Is that an excuse? No, i think it sucks a TV this expensive can't do was a 32"/37" alpha ips panel can do.

I might just get a 32" just for FPS games.

I play BF3 and Borderlands 2 and have had no issues - Personally I think people confuse the difference between input lag and actual internet connection speeds, pings and possible packetloss. The Sony in game mode is very quick, no issues whatsoever and can compare it to a Panny VT30 65" and also Samsung C8000 63 " and D8000 64" .

Also when you play multiplayer FPS games on a console you must understand that you are on a pretty piss poor connection, its not like it is running a dedicated server that is on a superfast connection, you are on a peer to peer adhoc network (well unless the games have had updates since I played the console version of these). So you are connecting to someone elese PS3 who is acting as the host, as is everyone else so it will never be as good as a dedicated server.
post #14900 of 15539
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Originally Posted by DaMac78 View Post

Well thats great! Seems you are very happy with the performance in Game-Scene. I have to say that I also had no problems as soon as changing to Game-Scene.
I would think its around 30ms input lag when in Game-Scene. VERY nice TV!
The only imperfection I found on this set is some DSE.. But no clowding or banding even with Led dynamic controll off. DSE is not cool, bit I can live with it as it is not always seen. I dont think there even is a panel from this series without any DSE. Still, love the TV and will never go back to Samsung..

Yeah, you'll see more DSE in Game Scene as the backlight control is altered. I had to fiddle with settings for a while to get the blacks where I wanted them, but I've been very very happy. I've never gamed on a TV where I didn't notice DSE (well, unless we reach way back to the CTR...and then I had scanlines). The DSE on this panel is about the same as my last Sammy TV...so I am certainly no worse off there. The lag on this set is much much less though.

I just finished Dishonored on PC and am playing Alan Wake: American Nightmare on PC, both very dark games that look amazing on this set.
post #14901 of 15539
I had picked up an KDL-46HX850 earlier in the week from Best buy floor model after Sony discontinued the model this week. I got an amazing deal on the set, but the overdrive trailing and uniformity were not great. I returned it tonight and while looking around found that Magnolia still had a XBR-55HX929 on the wall behind the counter. I had seen it there before and thought it was the HX950 refresh, so knew I couldn't afford it. Upon further inspection I noticed that it was indeed the 929, so I asked what it was going for and the guy said he thought they had cleared them all out and checked. It was priced open item at $1167.95, but since there was no remote or stand he knocked it down another $100+ and threw in a remote. Since I already bought a wall mount for a floor model NX720 I had for about 2 weeks before the main board and t-con went out I didn't have need for a stand. When all was said and done I walked out of there with an XBR-55HX929 for $1060+tax. I love the set and since I am not a man with a lot of money something like an Elite is so far out of reach, this is closest I will probably ever come this side of winning the lottery. I still have a 1 year Sony warranty as well. I will take pics of the set once I have it set-up and adjusted.
post #14902 of 15539
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Originally Posted by Dr.Shankenstein View Post

I had picked up an KDL-46HX850 earlier in the week from Best buy floor model after Sony discontinued the model this week. I got an amazing deal on the set, but the overdrive trailing and uniformity were not great. I returned it tonight and while looking around found that Magnolia still had a XBR-55HX929 on the wall behind the counter. I had seen it there before and thought it was the HX950 refresh, so knew I couldn't afford it. Upon further inspection I noticed that it was indeed the 929, so I asked what it was going for and the guy said he thought they had cleared them all out and checked. It was priced open item at $1167.95, but since there was no remote or stand he knocked it down another $100+ and threw in a remote. Since I already bought a wall mount for a floor model NX720 I had for about 2 weeks before the main board and t-con went out I didn't have need for a stand. When all was said and done I walked out of there with an XBR-55HX929 for $1060+tax. I love the set and since I am not a man with a lot of money something like an Elite is so far out of reach, this is closest I will probably ever come this side of winning the lottery. I still have a 1 year Sony warranty as well. I will take pics of the set once I have it set-up and adjusted.

Wow... Lol
post #14903 of 15539
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Originally Posted by Dr.Shankenstein View Post

I had picked up an KDL-46HX850 earlier in the week from Best buy floor model after Sony discontinued the model this week. I got an amazing deal on the set, but the overdrive trailing and uniformity were not great. I returned it tonight and while looking around found that Magnolia still had a XBR-55HX929 on the wall behind the counter. I had seen it there before and thought it was the HX950 refresh, so knew I couldn't afford it. Upon further inspection I noticed that it was indeed the 929, so I asked what it was going for and the guy said he thought they had cleared them all out and checked. It was priced open item at $1167.95, but since there was no remote or stand he knocked it down another $100+ and threw in a remote. Since I already bought a wall mount for a floor model NX720 I had for about 2 weeks before the main board and t-con went out I didn't have need for a stand. When all was said and done I walked out of there with an XBR-55HX929 for $1060+tax. I love the set and since I am not a man with a lot of money something like an Elite is so far out of reach, this is closest I will probably ever come this side of winning the lottery. I still have a 1 year Sony warranty as well. I will take pics of the set once I have it set-up and adjusted.

That"s insane! Congrats!
post #14904 of 15539
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Originally Posted by Dr.Shankenstein View Post

I had picked up an KDL-46HX850 earlier in the week from Best buy floor model after Sony discontinued the model this week. I got an amazing deal on the set, but the overdrive trailing and uniformity were not great. I returned it tonight and while looking around found that Magnolia still had a XBR-55HX929 on the wall behind the counter. I had seen it there before and thought it was the HX950 refresh, so knew I couldn't afford it. Upon further inspection I noticed that it was indeed the 929, so I asked what it was going for and the guy said he thought they had cleared them all out and checked. It was priced open item at $1167.95, but since there was no remote or stand he knocked it down another $100+ and threw in a remote. Since I already bought a wall mount for a floor model NX720 I had for about 2 weeks before the main board and t-con went out I didn't have need for a stand. When all was said and done I walked out of there with an XBR-55HX929 for $1060+tax. I love the set and since I am not a man with a lot of money something like an Elite is so far out of reach, this is closest I will probably ever come this side of winning the lottery. I still have a 1 year Sony warranty as well. I will take pics of the set once I have it set-up and adjusted.

Good for you! I only just bought my 55HX920 here in Europe for a sweet deal and absolutely love it!
The HX950 is probably not ever going to be available here anyway. Not even on order. And with the most attractive price for such a top of the line TV, the HX92 Series is a top choice!
Enjoy this beautiful set as a proud new owner.
post #14905 of 15539
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Originally Posted by Jawad View Post

I'm going to bypass my receiver tonight and see how I do when the kill cam comes on.

So did you get round to doing this test?
Is there more lag when HDMI goes through the receiver first?
post #14906 of 15539
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Originally Posted by Dr.Shankenstein View Post

I had picked up an KDL-46HX850 earlier in the week from Best buy floor model after Sony discontinued the model this week. I got an amazing deal on the set, but the overdrive trailing and uniformity were not great. I returned it tonight and while looking around found that Magnolia still had a XBR-55HX929 on the wall behind the counter. I had seen it there before and thought it was the HX950 refresh, so knew I couldn't afford it. Upon further inspection I noticed that it was indeed the 929, so I asked what it was going for and the guy said he thought they had cleared them all out and checked. It was priced open item at $1167.95, but since there was no remote or stand he knocked it down another $100+ and threw in a remote. Since I already bought a wall mount for a floor model NX720 I had for about 2 weeks before the main board and t-con went out I didn't have need for a stand. When all was said and done I walked out of there with an XBR-55HX929 for $1060+tax. I love the set and since I am not a man with a lot of money something like an Elite is so far out of reach, this is closest I will probably ever come this side of winning the lottery. I still have a 1 year Sony warranty as well. I will take pics of the set once I have it set-up and adjusted.

Amazing deal. Although I have no room for another set and my daughter doesn't keep a TV in the house for regular viewing (they have a small monitor in the office attached to a server so they can record very selected programs), at that price, I'm pretty sure I would have bought another one and given it to her or someone... Too good to pass up.
post #14907 of 15539
great price ....right place, right time.
post #14908 of 15539
Yeah, I am still kinda blown away. Thanks everyone for the congrats!
post #14909 of 15539
I connected a DVD through the component video of my 55HX929, and the colors are way off with faces being blue. I tried everything including adjusting the Hue but nothing works. Has anyone else had this problem? By the way, I mistakenly started a thread on this issue and tried to delete it, but did not know how to do it. I am requesting the administrator to delete this unnecessary new thread.
post #14910 of 15539
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

I connected a DVD through the component video of my 55HX929, and the colors are way off with faces being blue. I tried everything including adjusting the Hue but nothing works. Has anyone else had this problem? By the way, I mistakenly started a thread on this issue and tried to delete it, but did not know how to do it. I am requesting the administrator to delete this unnecessary new thread.

Did you connect the DVD with a single component cable to one of the 3 HD-Component connections? That would be wrong and also your problem, as these are 3 separate color-signals combined.
If you realy need to attach an old DVD Player without HDMI to your HX929, use a Scart-Cable and the adapter provided with the TV.
Or, just go to your local dealer any buy a new DVD Player with HDMI output for 50$ ;-)
Edited by DaMac78 - 1/20/13 at 10:35am
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