Official Sony HX929 Owner's thread (46HX929, 55HX929, 65HX929) No Price Talk - Page 6

looks like someone already posted a review on the sonystyle website. Not sure how he got one already. See link below

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...312874#reviews

That's a pretty weak review. Not sure I believe it. If the only thing you mention in ur review is the built in wifi, I dont think you should own that tv. Lol

He's probably reviewing the wrong set. He probably has a nx720 or something.

Agreed.

just called sony to see if they had this on display yet. was told they should have it by end of month. the anticipation )) i sure hope it's worth it. I'm getting rid of my plasma of less than 1 year old (TC-P54V25) because of floating blacks and will consider this one if i read favorable reviews.

Or he's just trolling.

It's finally showing up on Best Buy's website!!!!

is it avail to buy in there warehouse now

I have no idea. I'm going to call later to see....

lists May 13th as the first available delivery date in my zip code.

Hey guys. Just looked at the specs on best buys website. I'm a little confused. I thought I heard somewhere that this tv has a 960hz refresh rate. Best buys website only says 240hz. Is this true?

960hz is nothing more than marketing BS.

Actually it says Motionflow 960Xr. It is a 240Hz panel with backlight blinking to simulate 960

Cool. Thanks for the reply.

I got May 9th in my area...

so basically 2nd week of may at best buy.

hopefully online retailers are able to beat that and start shipping end of april/ first week may.

And guy here who have demo or bought already , pls let me know the crosstalk issue on game is solved or not ! I am a LX900 user and suffer from the crosstalk on gaming ! But the movie 3D is fine ! If this generation still can't get rid of it ! I might wait next next next generation until PS4 is coming ! Pls let me know , thx a lot !

Great post, irkuck. Thanks for the info.


I think this is going to be hard reality to get though to the committed "local dim rules! Edgelit sux!" brigade.


Exactly my thought.

I had a d8000 and returned it. Edges were brighter than the middle. 1/3rd on left and right brighter than the middle third. For the price that was unacceptable. There was also some minor banding. Otherwise a nice set, but once started to see the uneven backlighting it annoyed me too much.

Just another opinion......I do *not* think that the D8000 rewrites the book on edgelit dimming. It's probably the best iteration so far, but still not as good as full backlit.....(Ask any full backlit Samsung owner that owns both).

A lot of new LED technologies on the horizon but Samsung (and the rest) need to get back to full backlit. Thin/sexy bezels look good, but the appearance of the TV shouldn't override the appearance of the material displayed. I know the mfgrs like edge-lit cuz nearly every aspect works to their advantage, but backlit wins, period.

That said, I'm excited to see the HX929!!

As others said the real refresh rate is 240hz, which could perhaps appear as 960hz effect. Here is what I posted on some other forum. Maybe someone finds it interesting:

The 960hz cannot be true. On Sony Style website the HX929 spec states a 240hz panel. I believe 960hz "effect" will be reached as this:
I only state the 24p film scenario. Let's represent original frames as numbers (1,2,3,4,...) and frame interpolation based on the original frame 1 as decimals (1.1,1.2,1.3,...), so frame interpolation based on the original frame 2 would be (2.1,2.2,2.3,...). and finally the blank frames as "B" (black frames padded in by flashing the backlighting).

So 1 frame of the original 24p film content will be flashed/refreshed/interpolated 40 times as this:

1-B-1-B-1.1-B-1.1-B-1.2-B-1.2-B-1.3-B-1.3-B-1.4-B-1.4-B-1.5-B-1.5-B-1.6-B-1.6-B-1.7-B-1.7-B-1.8-B-1.8-B-1.9-B-1.9-B-2

40 X 24 = 960

Samsung rewrites the book. This does not mean that D8000 is better than any locdim. It means D8000 beats some of the lesser quality locdims. If a locdim suffers from intensive blooming and banding it is not up to the D8000.


Things are moving in the opposite way. Samsung made substantial progress on edge-lit with the D8000. Problems reported on the D8000 seem to be stemming not from principle but manufacturing precision, many people get perfect sets. It is easy to imagine that next iteration of the Samsung edge-lit will be virtuoso.
From this one can can make predictions that within the next 18 months locdim will be dying. Simply because there practically will be no need for it only some hardcore videophiles complaining . Same thing happened with locdim based on RGB LEDs. Theoretically it is sound but it disappeared due to marginal improvements and high cost.


Yes, it will be ultimate test if locdim has future. Remember though that previous Sony models suffered from limited viewing angle. If this is not improved, locdim will not help.

I know they *want* for things to move in the opposite direction, but until OLED or another form of dynamic light can handle the job of lighting/diffusing/coloring/dimming all by itself, edgelit will never overcome its limits to surpass backlit.

Which reminds me of the last bit I was hoping to see more folks go to........IPS PANELS!!!! Why are Vizio & LG the only ones using these now? (IIRC, Samsung phased them out lately)

I would LOVE to see Sony go to IPS. I'm not against their glass-front monolithic design but I think they'd do themselves even better to go IPS & forego the glass front.

Then again, I'll just have to wait & see the 929 in person. Sony may just have some tricks up their sleeves. (shrug)

Again, you seem to think that ANY locdim is by default better than ANY edglit.
Reality is more complicated: there are examples of flawed locdims and excellent edglits. Samsun D8000 shows this. It is certain that next iterations
will make their design practically sufficient with locdim offering little PQ improvement over it. This will be death sentence on locidm.


IPS is owned by LG while Sony signed with Samsung so they were in competing camps. Now the borders seem to be more fluid, perhaps Sony may get the IPS panels too. IPS has rather poor blacks but good viewing angle
and colors. This makes it potentially best candidate for well-designed locdim.


Everybody assumes Sony will have top-class electronics and very good locdim.
The problem is in the panels since they have to source them, which panels they will use (e.g. same panels as in D8000???) and if their monolithic design inherently limits the viewing angle or not. So Sony has chances to be best in PQ but it won't be easy to beat the D8000.

Irkuck, while the D8000 has been well received, it has the kind of uniformity problems that I'd call "somewhat inherent to edge lighting" as opposed to due to manufacturing tolerances. Things like flashlighting might be more due to manufacturing. But broad field illumination uniformity issues when trying to broadcast the light from the edges of the field (what Samsung is doing plus whatever trickery they employ to get any kind of uniformity) sounds like to me why I've been skeptical of edge lighting since day 1.

Right on. Like I mentioned earlier in the thread, I had a D8000 in-house, and about 20-30% of the left and right sides were clearly brighter than the middle, which is not surprising with edge lighting. What I did not mention was that I replaced it, hoping the first one was a "bad one", the next one was exactly the same. Did I get 2 "bad ones"? Maybe, but doubtful. It is a very nice TV, and for the average viewer, they will love it, but for more discerning types like many of us who look for the problems (what a curse!), the brighter sides were very clearly visible.

I am not an expert, but.....the funny thing is that they really had the uniformity thing pretty much worked out with CFL backlit because they could aggressively diffuse the light (at least it seems that way to me). With LED backlit with local dimming, they don't want to diffuse it or it would reduce the effect of the local dimming, so without enough LEDs, there will be banding. Side lit has the obvious problems of brigher edges and the potential for flashlighting and clouding, and don't get me started on plasma........ugh, it sux being hyper-critical.

I am getting a refund for my Samsung D8000 and waiting for this TV.

Sadly, I will be without a TV until this one comes out. Hopefully this TV will release with a good launch price, and have acceptable issues.

The 55HX929 is now in stock at sonystyle.ca for any Canadians who post here

I'm looking forward to HX929 now because my 55D8000 is a banding mess.

Hmmm...........

Looks like the 4 large target was right on. We'll have to see if they cover the canadian/us spread......

That's a little too rich for my blood, but still gonna be a beauty to see in the stores.