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post #15121 of 15539
Hi could someone sum up the differences between the 65hx929 and the 950. Also, I maybe purchasing one of these to replace my 3rd 65es8000. Whats a good price cor either the 950 or the 929. And will I see any vertical banding or flashlighting. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by GPHVIDEO View Post

We'll, shows how much I know. I didn't know there were more. I'll look tonight and report back.

I do know this is the Tour that he traveled around the US and it was about 2006 I believe from what I remembered. Must have been the "Space Within US" as it had a segment with the Space Station.

In any event, I'll report back. It was well worth seeing and the sound quality made you feel like it was live.

GPHVIDEO

McCartney is still a great performer and he obviously has the best catalog of songs in the world to choose from, but in my personal opinion, his backup band completely sucks, especially the drummer. I think he chose these guys so no one outshines him. If you want to see a great band doing Beatle songs properly, view this:
http://vimeo.com/11237479

The bass player in this band, Will Lee (from the Letterman show), has worked with McCartney in the past.
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Originally Posted by zoetmb View Post

McCartney is still a great performer and he obviously has the best catalog of songs in the world to choose from, but in my personal opinion, his backup band completely sucks, especially the drummer. I think he chose these guys so no one outshines him. If you want to see a great band doing Beatle songs properly, view this:
http://vimeo.com/11237479

The bass player in this band, Will Lee (from the Letterman show), has worked with McCartney in the past.
really nice, for an ol' beatle lover
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

Darbee 5000 up and running and it does add PQ not a super increase in PQ, but definitely an increase, but in my opinion every bit of PQ counts.

I wonder if you can duplicate the 'added PQ' Darbee provides by just turning on the extra features on the TV that your picture settings have turned off? I just wished it has multiple HDMI inputs and it would probably be worth it.
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Originally Posted by edtorious View Post

I wonder if you can duplicate the 'added PQ' Darbee provides by just turning on the extra features on the TV that your picture settings have turned off? I just wished it has multiple HDMI inputs and it would probably be worth it.

I tried 'on-board' settings and could not achieve the same results.
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

I tried 'on-board' settings and could not achieve the same results.
When my "funds" allow me I will purchase a Darbee. A lot of Sony VW1000 owners (that's Sonys 4K projector. Around 15K) have the Darbee in the chain and are impressed. As other pj owners also do the same. My VW90ES Sony pj threw a excellent picture I cannot imagine it getting better but it does. Thanks again IMRIZZO for the info. Still using your settings and enjoying the 950.
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Originally Posted by zoetmb View Post

McCartney is still a great performer and he obviously has the best catalog of songs in the world to choose from, but in my personal opinion, his backup band completely sucks, especially the drummer. I think he chose these guys so no one outshines him. If you want to see a great band doing Beatle songs properly, view this:
http://vimeo.com/11237479

The bass player in this band, Will Lee (from the Letterman show), has worked with McCartney in the past.


Thanks for the link. Love the songs. Like the album. Certainly one of the best bands trying to "sound like" the Beatles. Will certainly be the "closest" the world will now get to actually hearing the "Beatles". Again, love the music!!!

However, for me, (YMMV) nothing sounds like the "real" thing. The blu ray disc of the "US Tour" is the "real" McCartney. It really brought back many memories. Personally I thought the back up band was not all that bad. I would certainly agree that Tour was NOT to promote the back up band for sure. However, do keep in mind that not all the songs on that DVD were with the back up band, in fact other than McCartney playing his guitar, there was NO band on a number of the songs that he sang. I can tell you if you are a Beatles fan, he still has it IMHO!! No one, and I do mean NO ONE sounds like that, or expresses himself like the "real" thing!! Times do change though, and some forget as that is an era gone by.

On another subject, now that you mentioned a group sounding like the Beatles, many, and I mean many years ago, there was a "local" band in my area that played at a number of the dances for teenagers that was VERY good at sounding like, of all things, the Rolling Stones. They were actually unbelieveable. You could simply close your eyes and you would swear it was the Rolling Stones...............simply amazing.....

On the other hand, that is why they make chocolate ice cream so I am told............smile.gif...........

Regards,

GPHVIDEO
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For those who hasn't done so, you might want to consider getting your TV pro-calibrated. Here's a very nice video about calibration. http://www.avsforum.com/t/1465300/video-calibration-video
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Is it time for a requiem for the 929 thread ?
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Actually, I just a had a question about the 55hx929, I currently have it rigged on a HTPC (core i5 @ 3Ghz, 8gb DDR3, 256Gb ssd, GTX 660 Ti).

Works pefectly fine to run any movie, but whenever I try a game, even at the lowest settings and even when my frame-rate is well above 60 (fifa 12 runs at over ~100 fps steady) the image stutters a lot every time there is a "travelling". It looks like I get 4-5 frames per second even though the FRAPS frame counter shows ~100. Just to explain with the Fifa example, if the camera is steady (mid of the field) and players run along, it's very fluid, but as soon as the camera moves left/right on the field, it stutters a lot.

I tried hooking up a classic PC monitor, same resolution, same cable, and that works perfectly fine, so it must be the TV, or a specific setting. Every image processing filter has been deactivated I believe, or set to the minimum possible.

Did I miss anything, is there a special mode/setting that I should enable/deactivate to avoid this? Has anyone else had the same problem?
post #15131 of 15539
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Originally Posted by Phil1trope View Post

Actually, I just a had a question about the 55hx929, I currently have it rigged on a HTPC (core i5 @ 3Ghz, 8gb DDR3, 256Gb ssd, GTX 660 Ti).

Works pefectly fine to run any movie, but whenever I try a game, even at the lowest settings and even when my frame-rate is well above 60 (fifa 12 runs at over ~100 fps steady) the image stutters a lot every time there is a "travelling". It looks like I get 4-5 frames per second even though the FRAPS frame counter shows ~100. Just to explain with the Fifa example, if the camera is steady (mid of the field) and players run along, it's very fluid, but as soon as the camera moves left/right on the field, it stutters a lot.

I tried hooking up a classic PC monitor, same resolution, same cable, and that works perfectly fine, so it must be the TV, or a specific setting. Every image processing filter has been deactivated I believe, or set to the minimum possible.

Did I miss anything, is there a special mode/setting that I should enable/deactivate to avoid this? Has anyone else had the same problem?


I can't explain the slowdown. How are you connecting to the TV from the video card? I would enable v-sync to smooth out the visuals...certainly a personal taste, but tearing on HDTVs can get pretty bad without v-sync. (you'll cap out at 60fps but likely never even notice). Also, are you using the Game Scene? I game all the time on this TV am I haven't had the problem you are talking about and I am running an NVIDIA card as well.
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Originally Posted by Datacide View Post

I can't explain the slowdown. How are you connecting to the TV from the video card? I would enable v-sync to smooth out the visuals...certainly a personal taste, but tearing on HDTVs can get pretty bad without v-sync. (you'll cap out at 60fps but likely never even notice). Also, are you using the Game Scene? I game all the time on this TV am I haven't had the problem you are talking about and I am running an NVIDIA card as well.

Thanks for your reply, I'm using a DVI to HDMI adapter and a 1.4 HDMI cable, I did activate vsync on a few games to try, but it didn't make a difference, no tearing but still the stuttering at 3-5 fps even though the fps counter shows a steady 60.. Not quite sure what to do here, must be some obscure setting.. You never had any issues in gaming with that TV (related to the framerate I mean)?
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Originally Posted by Phil1trope View Post

Thanks for your reply, I'm using a DVI to HDMI adapter and a 1.4 HDMI cable, I did activate vsync on a few games to try, but it didn't make a difference, no tearing but still the stuttering at 3-5 fps even though the fps counter shows a steady 60.. Not quite sure what to do here, must be some obscure setting.. You never had any issues in gaming with that TV (related to the framerate I mean)?

Sorry for the late response, I was away for a couple days.

Are you direct from the PC to the TV? I didn't see if you confirmed you were using Game Scene or not.

The only issue I've come across that dips framerate is when a game is designed incorrectly and detects 1080p/24 and give you 24fps constant. Crysis 1 and 2 are famous for this, but Just Cause 2 and several others do this as well. It is entirely possible that FIFA is doing this as well. If you are getting it in other games, then I would suspect another cause unless you happened to have back luck and have tried several of the games that have issues (and fixes) for the 1080p/24 detection issue.

I generally run at 60fps solid for most games, though Farcry 3 is kicking my PCs ass a little so I am not getting 60fps constant, but I certainly don't get the slowdown you are describing. I presume you've tried another HDMI port to make sure something isn't screwy on the hardware on the TV?

How PC game savvy (and NVIDIA driver savvy) are you...in other words...how much have you mucked with the NVIDIA control panel? smile.gif If it is running on the PC monitor fine though, you should get a similar result on the 929. Are you running everything at 1080p (desktop, games, etc)? Are you running the sound from the HDMI cable as well? Do you have another HDMI cable to try to the TV just to be sure?

I dunno man, that sounds very bizarre indeed. I've had nothing but a truly amazing experience with my PC and this TV. I dunno what to tell you at the moment...but let me know the answers to my questions, and I'll try to come up with some solutions if I can.
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I am considering purchasing my first HT system. With a Denon AVR-xx13 receiver, it offers signal pass through when it is turned off. My question - if I have the receiver off, would I have to go into my Sony 929 menu every time I want to listen without my HT speakers to turn on the TV speaker? It would be great if the TV automatically defaulted ON with the receiver turned off.
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Originally Posted by bourmb View Post

I am considering purchasing my first HT system. With a Denon AVR-xx13 receiver, it offers signal pass through when it is turned off. My question - if I have the receiver off, would I have to go into my Sony 929 menu every time I want to listen without my HT speakers to turn on the TV speaker? It would be great if the TV automatically defaulted ON with the receiver turned off.

The 950 automatically switches to external speakers from TV speakers. Searches for speakers. I would imagine the 929 does also BUT I may be wrong
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Originally Posted by bourmb View Post

I am considering purchasing my first HT system. With a Denon AVR-xx13 receiver, it offers signal pass through when it is turned off. My question - if I have the receiver off, would I have to go into my Sony 929 menu every time I want to listen without my HT speakers to turn on the TV speaker? It would be great if the TV automatically defaulted ON with the receiver turned off.

Signal pass-through means just that: both the audio and video signals are passed through to the HDMI-connected display.

Obviously, with the AVR turned off you can't get sound from the HT system's speakers; you will need to change the audio source for your TV: on the HX929 remote, that's a matter of selecting Options and then switching the Speakers setting between Audio System and TV Speakers.

Your TV can't sense which speakers you want to use, so you'll have to make this selection yourself if different from the current setting. If you want to streamline the procedure you could use a programmable remote to create the desired macros.

On the other hand, I think you can use the ARC input on the HX929 (HDMI 1) to send the audio automatically to the AVR when it is on; I do not know whether the TV would default to the TV speakers if you then turned off the AVR. However, I believe for this configuration to work properly you would have to connect all of your other sources to the TV as well so that their audio signals would also be passed to the AVR. I'm really not that familiar with ARC and perhaps someone else can provide better guidance. I prefer to feed all of my A/V sources into my Denon AVR-3311 with just the one HDMI out to my 55HX929. Then I also have a redundant component RCA connection from my TiVo to the TV so that I can display the TiVo video or menu on the TV while listening to a different audio source on the AVR. There are several other connection options you can explore depending on where your priorities lie and what you are trying to accomplish.
Edited by chi_guy50 - 4/5/13 at 10:17am
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Originally Posted by Datacide View Post

Sorry for the late response, I was away for a couple days.

Are you direct from the PC to the TV? I didn't see if you confirmed you were using Game Scene or not.

The only issue I've come across that dips framerate is when a game is designed incorrectly and detects 1080p/24 and give you 24fps constant. Crysis 1 and 2 are famous for this, but Just Cause 2 and several others do this as well. It is entirely possible that FIFA is doing this as well. If you are getting it in other games, then I would suspect another cause unless you happened to have back luck and have tried several of the games that have issues (and fixes) for the 1080p/24 detection issue.

I generally run at 60fps solid for most games, though Farcry 3 is kicking my PCs ass a little so I am not getting 60fps constant, but I certainly don't get the slowdown you are describing. I presume you've tried another HDMI port to make sure something isn't screwy on the hardware on the TV?

How PC game savvy (and NVIDIA driver savvy) are you...in other words...how much have you mucked with the NVIDIA control panel? smile.gif If it is running on the PC monitor fine though, you should get a similar result on the 929. Are you running everything at 1080p (desktop, games, etc)? Are you running the sound from the HDMI cable as well? Do you have another HDMI cable to try to the TV just to be sure?

I dunno man, that sounds very bizarre indeed. I've had nothing but a truly amazing experience with my PC and this TV. I dunno what to tell you at the moment...but let me know the answers to my questions, and I'll try to come up with some solutions if I can.

Thanks for trying to help! I actually noticed something last night, when I turn the vsync on, it gets stuck at 30fps, even though I set the refresh rate at 60Hz in the nvidia control panel..

I'm quite PC game savvy, this is my PC gaming rig made for the TV, my main gaming rig is a i7-3770k@4.2Ghz with a SLI of GTX 670 that I use with 3 monitors. Maybe I could try my main gaming rig on the TV and see if there's a difference.

This is how the setup works:
video: curently PC -> Sony HT-CT550W (DVI to HDMI - HDMI) -> HX929 (HDMI - HDMI)
audio: optical cable PC -> Sony HT-CT550W

I'm just going through the sound system so I can control it with my tv remote, would that be an issue you think?

And yes, it's all running in Game Scene and all is set to 1920x1080 (games and desktop)

Thanks again man, this thing has been bugging me for a while now..
Edited by Phil1trope - 4/5/13 at 11:39am
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Thanks for the help. The answer appears for me to buy a Logitech remote and program a button for a quick, easy way to turn on the TV speaker.
post #15139 of 15539
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Originally Posted by bourmb View Post

Thanks for the help. The answer appears for me to buy a Logitech remote and program a button for a quick, easy way to turn on the TV speaker.

See also my additional appended paragraph in my last post.
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Originally Posted by bourmb View Post

Thanks for the help. The answer appears for me to buy a Logitech remote and program a button for a quick, easy way to turn on the TV speaker.

With HDMI Control enabled in 929 settings, when you turn on your TV it will also turn on the AVR. Then if you manually turn off the AVR, the TV will automatically switch to internal speakers. (HDMI Pass-through has to be enabled on the AVR.) A better question is why would you need the option of using the absolutely terrible TV speakers in the first place?
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Originally Posted by Phil1trope View Post

Thanks for trying to help! I actually noticed something last night, when I turn the vsync on, it gets stuck at 30fps, even though I set the refresh rate at 60Hz in the nvidia control panel..

I'm quite PC game savvy, this is my PC gaming rig made for the TV, my main gaming rig is a i7-3770k@4.2Ghz with a SLI of GTX 670 that I use with 3 monitors. Maybe I could try my main gaming rig on the TV and see if there's a difference.

This is how the setup works:
video: curently PC -> Sony HT-CT550W (DVI to HDMI - HDMI) -> HX929 (HDMI - HDMI)
audio: optical cable PC -> Sony HT-CT550W

I'm just going through the sound system so I can control it with my tv remote, would that be an issue you think?

And yes, it's all running in Game Scene and all is set to 1920x1080 (games and desktop)

Thanks again man, this thing has been bugging me for a while now..


Could definitely be the receiver...I've seen them do weirder things. I guess you haven't tried directly to the TV have you (from the PC)? I am direct to my TV via HDMI (video only) and optical to my receiver, but I did try through my receiver for video and it was fine there too. Rule that out first, the 30fps makes me wonder if it is indeed the receiver.

Have you tried quite a few games with the same results?

No worries, glad to help the little I can...that must be very frustrating.
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

After hurricane Sandy, my Sony 929 started to reboot itself. I called Sony and customer service told me that the power supply broad is likely the issue and needs to be replaced. Sony sent a tech out today and replaced the broad. I am very please with Sony's CS for addressing the problem in a timely manner. As of now all is working well. I will update if any changes.

I understand that you're going to have this set replaced after all. Can you update us on what happened?
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3D Question:

I've had the Sony 65HX929 for less than a year but I must say it's fantastic...worth 5K easily...stunning quality. I did have a question about 3D though.

When I first got it the 3D was great...I watched many movies and did not notice any problems. Then I sort of stopped watching 3D until recently.

Last few blu-ray movies I noticed some ghosting on far away items and also on some subtitles. No one would probably notice them (my wife does not)..but I notice it especially around very bright far away objects. Now it could be that when I first got the TV I was just so amazed at the 3D quality I never noticed. Or perhaps the settings have drifted. Maybe on my PS3 or maybe on the TV. I seem to recall a 3D setting that set depth (can't find it now in the settings) but not much else. So now I can't figure out if it's the TV or the PS3 or the settings or if I am just looking more critically via the passage of time.

Do you guys experience this as well, any ghosting or crosstalk? I have updated my PS3 and TV with all the latest updates. I am using Sony 3D glasses.

Again this mainly happens in bright areas in the background. And again it is not too noticeable..just bad enough for me to notice it. 90-95% of the image is fine.

Thanks for any help!
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Originally Posted by chi_guy50 View Post

I understand that you're going to have this set replaced after all. Can you update us on what happened?
The problem continues with the tv after two months without issue, so replacement options still in progress.
Edited by Brian-HD - 4/7/13 at 5:05am
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Originally Posted by Kisakuku View Post

With HDMI Control enabled in 929 settings, when you turn on your TV it will also turn on the AVR. Then if you manually turn off the AVR, the TV will automatically switch to internal speakers. (HDMI Pass-through has to be enabled on the AVR.) A better question is why would you need the option of using the absolutely terrible TV speakers in the first place?

I'm not the OP, but:
Yes, this works, but the way that I've configured is that I plug the cable box directly into the TV and use ARC to feed TV audio to the receiver. When I turn on the TV, the receiver turns on and auto switches to the TV input. If I shut off the receiver, it switches back to the TV speakers. The BD player is sent to the receiver. If I change the receiver input to BD, the TV auto switches to the receiver input. This is also the way to go (the only way to go) if you receive any TV signals over-the-air, which has the advantage of an uncompressed signal. Many of the cable and satellite companies compress the signals of OTA channels.

I agree that the TV speakers are terrible, but I listen via the TV speakers late at night so I don't disturb the neighbors. If I'm just watching a talk show or a very old movie that has mono sound, it doesn't bother me to use the TV speakers, even if they are far inferior. If you live in a big house, this might not be an issue. But for those of us who live in an apartment building, it's a necessity. I purposely bought a subwoofer that doesn't down fire, for the same reason. In fact, I only turn on the sub woofer when I'm watching a movie I really care about.
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Originally Posted by zoetmb View Post

I agree that the TV speakers are terrible, but I listen via the TV speakers late at night so I don't disturb the neighbors. If I'm just watching a talk show or a very old movie that has mono sound, it doesn't bother me to use the TV speakers, even if they are far inferior. If you live in a big house, this might not be an issue. But for those of us who live in an apartment building, it's a necessity. I purposely bought a subwoofer that doesn't down fire, for the same reason. In fact, I only turn on the sub woofer when I'm watching a movie I really care about.

A receiver with DRC and an ability to quickly and conveniently change sub channel trim would solve this problem without resorting to TV speakers.
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Originally Posted by frankmcma View Post

3D Question:

I've had the Sony 65HX929 for less than a year but I must say it's fantastic...worth 5K easily...stunning quality. I did have a question about 3D though.

When I first got it the 3D was great...I watched many movies and did not notice any problems. Then I sort of stopped watching 3D until recently.

Last few blu-ray movies I noticed some ghosting on far away items and also on some subtitles. No one would probably notice them (my wife does not)..but I notice it especially around very bright far away objects. Now it could be that when I first got the TV I was just so amazed at the 3D quality I never noticed. Or perhaps the settings have drifted. Maybe on my PS3 or maybe on the TV. I seem to recall a 3D setting that set depth (can't find it now in the settings) but not much else. So now I can't figure out if it's the TV or the PS3 or the settings or if I am just looking more critically via the passage of time.

Do you guys experience this as well, any ghosting or crosstalk? I have updated my PS3 and TV with all the latest updates. I am using Sony 3D glasses.

Again this mainly happens in bright areas in the background. And again it is not too noticeable..just bad enough for me to notice it. 90-95% of the image is fine.

Thanks for any help!



I think it is the source material. I have loads of 3D BDs now and they vary widely in this respect. Avatar was awesome in 3D with little problem (for me). Hugo had the convergence/focus issues a lot for me. Wreck-It Ralph has the issue and Mastermind was close to perfect.

Also, sitting too close to the TV makes the problem worse, maybe you've moved closer?

There is a button on the remote labeled "3D" smile.gif that has the depth adjustment you are looking for. (it is in the list of commands in the screen on my Harmony if you downloaded a profile for that). However, I found any adjustments here to be an exercise in insanity. It will usually fix one issue while creating another problem at a different "depth". However, if you use subtitles a lot, then there definitely could be some value in exploring the depth adjustments as I've seen some issues with subtitles and 3D.
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WTH, I bet I have had 5 instances where I have looked at my screen and said to myself, "something with the backlight doesn't look right" and go into the Picture Settings to find my settings have reset and deactivated the backlight. What gives! My kids and wife don't know enough about the tv to ever accidentally switch settings. I figure Sony only pushes updates requiring a reboot when the tv is on so you would have to know if something might change, or not. The last time is when I came back from vacation, turned on the tv and found the picture setting setup for a funky camera/tablet type setting that disabled Motionview, and jacked all my other settings, too.
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Did anyone recommend to check to see what mode you have the TV in? Home use or Store Use (Demo). If in Demo, it will reset back to factory settings on it's own.
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Originally Posted by UpstateNYMarc View Post

Did anyone recommend to check to see what mode you have the TV in? Home use or Store Use (Demo). If in Demo, it will reset back to factory settings on it's own.
I have always used Input Common and Custom picture settings since I have owned it.
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