Official Sony HX929 Owner's thread (46HX929, 55HX929, 65HX929) No Price Talk - Page 102

My 1986 TI calculator says that equals 105.

Somewhat wierd request here... Anyone with a PC hooked up to the TV, can you take the picture of my TV (attached) and view it on their TV as it's actual size, then scroll up and down slowly, using the scroll bar.. not the mouse wheel?

I'm trying to figure out if anyone else a noticable line (or lines) going horizontally across their screen. I have one slightly below the middle of my screen that goes across the entire screen that it pretty noticable at times. They will show up on pans that consist of light colors. Seems to only be noticable on light colored images such as this one. I'm not sure if it's banding or unformity issues, I just want to make sure its normal.

I've noticed in a few movies, and I really notice it on this image when I slowly scroll on it. Reason I am asking is because everyone claims the D8000 is such a banding mess, but this one particular band is more noticable than any of the bands on my old D8000.

If this is normal, than I really don't care about it.. but if it's not then...

Default settings I see the crease on a solid screen

Your backlight setting is really limiting how well you see it. Anything below 3 looks dull to me and that is in a dark room. My XBR3 was set at 3 also. I can see this crease around the left/bottom/right of the screen easy from dead on at 6ft away with darker still images or cartoons.

The easiest way for everyone to try to see this crease is open the home menu and get up close to the tv off angle or view the sample photo Bravia-4 from your seat and look at the right side.

No display will be perfect, what's importaint is it noticeable when viewing content? Top of the line Sony TV's are expensive so you should not have to be settling with something that will gnaw at you ether.

What Motionflow setting? This greatly impacts the "brightness" of the TV. Also is your ambient sensor on or off? With a Backlight of 6 on "Clear" I cannot see the crease during cartoons. Ambient Sensor is ON.

I do see it on that sample photo, but as I said it's probably normal. The D8000 suffered from much more light leakage than this and it was "normal" on that set.


Pretty sure it's normal.. I think RMAing the TV because of it is false hope.


Yes it is, in some cases. Planet Earth I saw it alot when it was panning over the sky, or over a river/ocean, etc. Some movies start with the camera pointed at the sky then pan down to the scene, I can see it there too. I can see it in gaming at times. I know no TV is perfect, which is why I am asking if anyone else sees it. If it's normal i'm fine with it.

Hi InsidiousFix,

Yep, that works out. Not the most encouraging numbers, especially vertically, but the proof, as they say, is in the pudding (well, actually in the eating thereof, but whatever). I'll have to make a little drive up to Scarsdale to check one of these out sometime this summer.


Hi rogo,

Funny thing, that: the calculator in my head says the same thing. 'Course, that's not definitive proof; perhaps we should conduct some kind of double-blind test across all known calculators designed and built after, say, 1960 (difference engines need not apply).


Hi Rizz,

Yeah, that's no surprise. The manufacturers almost never want these sorts of data getting out. Samsung and Sony in particular treat them as state secrets. Toshiba was forthcoming with their CellTV, as it had a whopping 512 zones, which gave them major bragging rights, and occasionally LG will let their numbers go public, but most of these companies stay tight-lipped, as you've seen. Suffice it to say, if even Robert can't get this information from Sony, there's no way we will.

Oh, well--the mouse trick will just have to do.

I have motionflow off, ambient sensor off and power saving mode off. I have LED dimming on only. Cartoons with darker colors make it easier to see though.

Clear does lower the backlight slightly and clear plus lowers it a lot and also lowers the resolution/looks like someone put a thin storm door screen in front of the screen.


I looked up some old calibration images that everyone can use here.
Check out this image to better see how local dimming works on the tv.
http://i.pbase.com/o4/78/287278/1/64...HM98t.Sync.jpg

This is the same issue I had with two 55 929's. If this is normal then I am sure CHAD B would have said something in his review. It was very thorough. Does anyone with a 46in 929 have this on their tv? I have not been to my local BB to check it another 929, but I do not remember seeing it when I was their before I got the TV.

It seems that these lines/creases are close to where the TV back panels screws are, at least on the sides. Does anyone think loosening the screws might fix or lessen the problem?

Ugh, now that blooming is been beat to death it's lines around the edge of the screen! LOL

I can barely notice a faint band at about the middle and down a couple inches. And when I clean the glass, 2 dots will appear where the crystals are being squeezed, right where this band is. So I assume it had something to do with the framing and pressures.
But I never even noticed it until I went specifically looking for it after someone here asked about it. I took a few videos. I'll post them later. I think it's more noticeable in the video than it is watching live.

Im not sure if i did it as you explained. But i took these videos of my set...i think i was using the same setting that you posted previously as i tend to like how they have looked. I tweaked a couple of small things,shapness being the biggest one i changed down to 37. Anyway..lights totaly off in the room and iphone 4 camera. Let me know if thats what you wanted to see.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fbzd-OHUpk

Exact opposite for me. I tried to take videos of my banding line, yet it just won't show up on my camera very well. Interested to see your videos.

I still feel my blooming is more than the average HX929, and if this banding line is indeed pressure related and not normal I may attempt a replacement. I do notice it and I didnt go "looking for it" either, I noticed it while watching things.. and keep noticing it. Really depends on the content.


It's very hard to see in videos, plus i'm using my HX929 to view it (lol). I tried to make a few videos and ended up not posting them because they weren't accurate. Looking at your video, the banding seems much less than what I see in person. However, it did on my camera too.

Are you using my Clear or Standard motionflow settings that I posted? I've been going back and forth... It's a tough choice between less blooming and lower backlight versus more blooming and more "pop" in the picture.


I think the lines on the edges are perfectly acceptable... I've never noticed them without throwing a solid picture up there and I still gotta look for them. There's that sample image someone said to view and I do indeed see it on that. Light Leakage from the edges of TVs like these is pretty common.... and it's way minor on the HX929. Anyone complaining about this minor leakage on the HX929 clearly never owned a D8000. Now that was unacceptable.


Reason why I think Chad B never mentioned this is because it's really minor. It's hard to see, nearly impossible, during normal viewing. I wouldn't be surprised if he never even noticed it. I've yet to see it during normal viewing and i'm catching flaws with the set that other people didn't seem to catch... so my eyes are definitely picky.

i have been going back and forth between the clear settings you posted...and what i could determine from that article someone posted from a greek review. thier settings seemed good to...but different. they used the clear plus

I think I'm just going to order this TV. I've probably been over-thinking this whole situation.

I was just messing around with it... honestly I prefer "Standard" more because it makes things "pop" more. Bright scenes.. look bright.. etc.

I am really not sure how some people are using Motionflow "Off" or "Standard" with Ambient Sensor "Off" with a Backlight of 3+ and still not experiencing excessive blooming. Even with the below settings I get some pretty excessive blooming in some dark scenes.. and it's dimmer than I prefer already.

Here's what i'm on right now.. but there's definitely more blooming on "Standard" than "Clear" mainly because "Standard" is brighter.

Changes in Bold.

Scene: Cinema
Picture Mode: Cinema 1
Backlight: Min
Picture: 98
Brightness: 46
Color: 50
Hue: 0
Color Temperature: Warm 2
Sharpness: 50
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Reality Creation: Off
Smooth Gradation: Off
Motionflow: Standard
CineMotion: Auto 2
Black Corrector: Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Gamma: 0
LED Dynamic Control: Standard
Auto Light Limiter: Off
Clear White: Low - Warm 2 makes whites seem slightly off.. this fixes it, doesn't seem to affect anything else.
Live Color: Off
White Balance: Default
Detail Enhancer: Off
Edge Enhancer: Off
Ambient Sensor: Off

I have noticed that with Ambient Sensor "ON" the following 2 settings result in the exact same brightness:
Backlight = Max, Motionflow = Clear
Backlight = Min, Motionflow = Standard

..So you are definitely below the "Min" backlight if you have ambient sensor on with "Clear".

I have struggled with it a little cause it has seemed dark in some spots, like when i watch deathly hallows or dark night, but plenty bright during avatar. This is really the first set of this caliber i have ever. So i am trying to figure out how i want to set it. I also understand that every film has a different look to it. So i am trying to get it set so i can just enjoy the darkness where the filmmakers intended it to be dark, and bright where its supposed to be bright.

I was back at BB recently comparing the PN64D8000 and the Sony 55 HX929, and while I will probably not wait until the release of the 65" 929, I can say the off-angle viewing on this display, at least in the Magnolia store, was the best I've seen of any LED/LCD to date. I was well more than 45 degrees off axis and saw no discernible contrast loss or much of a change to the picture from dead on straight. I know others had been talking about off-angle viewing, as for me it is one of the bugaboos of going with LCD tech over plasma, but I don't think you lose anything with this display.

I can test it out on a 55HX929 this weekend if you like. Plz give me the chapter name and time it happens. Thx

I don't have that exact info because it happens all over. The series constantly pans over light colored objects.. leaving a noticable line across my screen. I can see the line just sitting on Windows right now by moving a window around. I don't think it's banding. It's more of a lighter colored pixel line that goes across the screen... and it blends in pretty well unless you have a panning scene. I can see it without moving images if I "know" where the line is. I noticed it on Day 1 but I was more concerned about minimizing blooming to start looking at another issue. I would not be surprised if it is caused by pressure, lots of TV issues nowadays are.

I can see it on this picture without even scrolling. If I scroll it becomes painfully obvious. I think it may be some type of uniformity issue.

Honestly I may just call Cleveland Plasma and see what Chris says... It seems like i'm having more issues with my set than most people. I'd almost feel better to get a replacement and "know" it's working correctly. I just don't want to waste their time/money to replace my set if it actually is working correctly.

Certainly, several people in this thread have been doing that.

EDIT: Oh dear, that might come across as a personal attack. If you read this post, it does not apply to you.

Sent you a PM, i'll try to call you tomorrow if I get time. Last thing I want to do is exchange a set that doesn't need to be. I know how fustrating that can be for both parties.

I will have my friend come over this weekend with a better camera to (hopefully) try and capture what I am experiencing.

Good call!

+1

I recently received my 55HX920 (Nordic model) and have a few problems with digital tv. When looking at fotball on Eurosport HD (1080i) through a CI+ (CA module) the grass becomes blurry and unsharp as soon as the camera pans (if it pans fast it gets more blurry). I though that the motion handling system would take care of such problems and i have tried all different options, standard, etc. I had the Samsung 55D8005 before the Sony and sharpness on both fotball and hockey in HD was superb even if the picture was panning fast. Anybody else that have similar problems and knows how to solve them? I find it kind of strange that a tv in the top segment have such problems in 2011.
Thanks in advance. <- Anyone that experience the same matter? I have not heard anything.

Besides the above I have also seen DSE when looking at the same content. Fast panning makes the DSE pretty bad. I imagine that it will be the same on every sport played on grass with fast panning scenes. Anybody seen it?

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I am watching Bluray concerts a lot and it seems that the motion handeling system reduce the sharpness of the picture - especially when there are much movement on the stage. I do think that my 55D8000 handled this much better with motion system acitivated since I can not remember that the PQ changed. Any input from others?

Coming from a D8000, I can say something is wrong. First of all, with a 1080i signal you are going to get blurrier picture during pans and movements.. thats a limitation of interlaced signals. Second of all, I find the HX929 has far superior motion handling, I think everyone would agree. I had to turn it off on the D8000 because it was bad.

Clear and Clear Plus will reduce the luminance of the set. You can adjust your backlight higher to make it look better. Try setting it to "Standard" and "Auto2" that should perform well. "Clear" and "Auto2" will as well, but depending on your other settings it will most likely make the picture more "dull" and you'll likely have to increase your backlight to make it look better. Auto1 is trash, make sure you aren't using that.

As for DSE, yes I notice it.. and I find it distracting at times if i'm looking for it. If I don't look for it, I don't notice it. It's my understand that there are far worse DSE sets out there, the HX929 actually ranks good on it. DSE is typically something you never see until you learn the term and look for it. No matter how hard I try to explain to my friend what DSE is... he can't see it even when im pointing it out to him. As dumb as it sounds... try not looking for it, and you won't see it.

Might want to try my settings i'm going to post below.

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After messing around for another 3-4 hours viewing different content these are my up-to-date settings. They are the best mix between luminance and blooming in my opinion. If you want more luminance, increase the backlight but it will increase blooming. Same goes for vice versa, if you can deal with having a duller picture with the benefit of less blooming.

Scene: Cinema
Picture Mode: Cinema 1
Backlight: 7 (Seems high, but it's actually 2 notches lower than minimum backlighting with Ambient Sensor off)
Picture: 98
Brightness: 49
Color: 52 (Motionflow "Clear" seems to slightly reduce colors as well, when paired with the backlight setting this makes things pop as they would on "Standard")
Hue: 0
Color Temperature: Warm 2
Sharpness: 50
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Reality Creation: Off
Smooth Gradation: High
Motionflow: Clear (Turning this to "Standard", "Smooth", or "Off" will throw the calibration off!)
CineMotion: Auto 2
Black Corrector: Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off
Gamma: -1
LED Dynamic Control: Standard
Auto Light Limiter: Off
Clear White: Low
Live Color: Off
White Balance: Default
Detail Enhancer: Off
Edge Enhancer: Off
Ambient Sensor: On (This must be on for these settings to look right!)

As always.. input is appreciated.

An owner in Germany with good relationship to sony get the following information:

A lot of panels (newest production) had a production mistake. As a result you will have flashlights and clouding and this strange stripes in the edge.
It is not official at the moment - so when you call Sony and ask...they will say: "we know nothing about that".

But its a fact - Sony did something wrong.

Here in Germany - it seems - they will change the tv to a new one........but delivery situation is very bad.

...Really? So basically if you are correct we all have faulty TVs... and exchanging probably would result in another faulty TV...

Pretty sure all of us have those stripes along the edges, i'm still saying it's "normal" until someone actually says they exchanged theirs and got one without them. This could be why Iorek and I are experiencing more blooming than some people, we both got TVs from the same store and the same batch.

Pretty sure Sony would be able to exchange our TVs free of charge if this is the case.