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post #5461 of 15541
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Originally Posted by Viper2847 View Post

I dont get how people are saying this set has bad viewing angles. For me they are amazing, i can barely see a color shift even at 40 degrees. The 909 on theother hand has a bad viewing angle. I see color loss on it starting at around 30 degrees.

Same here - I have to go to 40-45 degrees to see a color shift on my 46" 929. The 26" LED backlit Samsung I bought last year for my home gym loses significant picture quality at around 25 degrees and it goes down hill fast from there.
post #5462 of 15541
When watching a 4:3 program (where a thick vertical black bar is visible on both the right and left side) or a wide screen movie (where a thick horizontal black bar is visible on both top and bottom side)?

How is the blooming? Is the local dimming area piece covers that or it looks silly and some part of these black bars are "lit"?
post #5463 of 15541
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

Here is a few pix taken from center viewing then 5' off ctr /then 9' offcenter
Ctr Poor choice of pictures the actual image is sharply over lite on screen by camera I will try for better pix tomorrow

Center


5' off ctr approx 9' from screen


9.5 off ctr approx 13' from screen


mine was a bit worse than yours . . and that it allot worse compared to my 2 year old samsung lcd which hold great at angles but it was high end ccfl .
I really guess the question is how sensitive are you are to it , I do alot of night watching so it tends to bother me more , in a lighted room though I don't see it at all
post #5464 of 15541
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Originally Posted by JimP; View Post

8mile

Tell us more about what you're trying to show. Is this what happens when you're off angle and if so, how close were you and how far off from center in degrees (roughly).

The distortion looks a bit like using a wide angle lens close up. If it isn't, let us know.

Those are IMRIZZO's picks - http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=5451 - first one was center/ second one was 5' off , i just want him to do some explaining - first pick is much darker / second one seems to have not appropriate aspect ratio.
post #5465 of 15541
The second and third picture seems to be at exact same angle, just different distance. The first pic seems over-saturated and dark. Look at the shadow on the green door? It's not there on the 2. and 3. pic.
Look how the color fade on his green shirt at an angle.

What settings do you use ?
post #5466 of 15541
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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post

Those are IMRIZZO's picks - http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=5451 - first one was center/ second one was 5' off , i just want him to do some explaining - first pick is much darker / second one seems to have not appropriate aspect ratio.

8mile.... oops, sorry. Thought that was yours.

IMRIZZO.....it would also be helpful to know if your camera was set on manual and not varying exposure based on average brightness. Those dark areas surround the display in the off angle photos will throw the meter off in automatic exposure.
post #5467 of 15541
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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post

Looks like two completely different settings picks, second picture looks like its zoomed.

What about bluray picks, and dark scenes RIZZ/ ROSS?

You might look for some inspiration
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=920011






These were quick pic's taken for reference I will get better photos of screen with better images on screen for better evaluation later today.
post #5468 of 15541
Thanks - Yeah, there is a major shift in color and brightness in those pics. I don't think they are proving the point you want.
post #5469 of 15541
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO; View Post

These were quick pic's taken for reference I will get better photos of screen with better images on screen for better evaluation later today.

That would be nice.

I would love to see a PS3 pause button in the dark (or something simular) since it is a good haloing/blooming test.
post #5470 of 15541
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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post

That would be nice.

I would love to see a PS3 pause button in the dark (or something simular) since it is a good haloing/blooming test.

That won't happen, I'm not a gamer.
post #5471 of 15541
Some people wrote pro and cons about 1080i deinterlacing.
Can others share their experience on 1080i content on TV channels?
post #5472 of 15541
pictures focal length 28mm with a 28/105 mm cannon lens

Deadon ctr exps .4s


Approx 45 Degrees exps .25s


approx 60+ degrees exps .8s


Almost 75-80 degrees exps 6.s
post #5473 of 15541
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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post

Looks like two completely different settings picks, second picture looks like its zoomed.

What about bluray picks, and dark scenes RIZZ/ ROSS?

You might look for some inspiration
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=920011






Blu Ray is tremendous and dark scenes are very impressive with deep blacks and great shadow detail. It compares very favorably with my Pro 151.

What you wanted to hear or not?
post #5474 of 15541
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Originally Posted by 8mile13 View Post

Those are IMRIZZO's picks - http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=5451 - first one was center/ second one was 5' off , i just want him to do some explaining - first pick is much darker / second one seems to have not appropriate aspect ratio.

I'm sure it's just the angle of the camera coupled with the lens he was using. I'm sure that the AR didn't change as he moved.
post #5475 of 15541
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Originally Posted by sangean View Post

Some people wrote pro and cons about 1080i deinterlacing.
Can others share their experience on 1080i content on TV channels?

I've got my 55" 929 hooked up to a FIOS STB outputting at 1080i. Channels looks every bit as good as my Kuro. I see no evidence that the deinterlacing is any better or worse than the Kuro.
post #5476 of 15541
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Originally Posted by jimp View Post

8mile.... Oops, sorry. Thought that was yours.

Imrizzo.....it would also be helpful to know if your camera was set on manual and not varying exposure based on average brightness. Those dark areas surround the display in the off angle photos will throw the meter off in automatic exposure.

+1
post #5477 of 15541
I'm between the 55HX929 and the UN55B8500, I'm not in to 3D so that doesn't really matter to me. I have an LH90 now, I'm told either tv would be a significant upgrade. I need to go to Best Buy and take a look at the 929 and see if it would be a significant upgrade.
post #5478 of 15541
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post


Rizzo,

How do you like the sound quality from the new stand?

Is it worth the added expense for the new stand...?
post #5479 of 15541
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Originally Posted by net_synapse View Post

Rizzo,

How do you like the sound quality from the new stand?

Is it worth the added expense for the new stand...?

I haven't even hooked up the base speaker (2.1), I use my surround system I may get around to hooking it up this weekend ?
post #5480 of 15541
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Originally Posted by Slickman View Post

I'm between the 55HX929 and the UN55B8500, I'm not in to 3D so that doesn't really matter to me. I have an LH90 now, I'm told either tv would be a significant upgrade. I need to go to Best Buy and take a look at the 929 and see if it would be a significant upgrade.

Where have you found a B8500? Those are pretty old now, are you considering buying it used?
post #5481 of 15541
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Originally Posted by Jawad View Post

Which wallmount can get this close with the RS232 Box? This distance is perfect!





This is KingKitega's setup. PMed him but awaiting response.

Did you ever get a definitive answer regarding this? If so, does said mount tilt? As always any answer is appreciated. Can't decide between a wall mount, or the monolithic base. These pics look awesome though, making me sway towards the wall mounting route!
post #5482 of 15541
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Originally Posted by Bradley8403 View Post

Did you ever get a definitive answer regarding this? If so, does said mount tilt? As always any answer is appreciated. Can't decide between a wall mount, or the monolithic base. These pics look awesome though, making me sway towards the wall mounting route!

No I did not get an answer. I received my July 2011 build 55HX929 this morning from amazon. I have a right lean on table top stand.

I want a mount, but no one is telling me which low profile mounts work, preferably monoprice.

Help!
post #5483 of 15541
They probably all work. Mine is from monoprice. It's a slim model, I forget which one. Relax, just buy one already -- it'll probably work out.
post #5484 of 15541
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Originally Posted by Jawad View Post

No I did not get an answer. I received my July 2011 build 55HX929 this morning from amazon. I have a right lean on table top stand.

I want a mount, but no one is telling me which low profile mounts work, preferably monoprice.

Help!

Monoprice's spec's give the mounting measurements for both depth and distance.
post #5485 of 15541
This viewing angle mystery is downright bizarre. That said, it could relate to the horribly mis-named "crease" issue. If there is a sandwich bond between the panel, the resin layer and the Gorilla Glass, and something is already not going right there -- the "crease" -- then maybe something not going right on the tolerances screws up the viewing angles.

Consider this... If the panel itself is even a few millimeters (less?) farther back from the rest of the "sandwich" than it's supposed to be, then the effect on viewing angle could easily be pronounced. The reason for this is the layer in between the Gorilla Glass and the panel, which you are normally looking through. If the panel is correctly positioned (and, again, this is speculation), the light is almost entirely making it out through the resin layer and the horizontal viewing is going to stay strong across a wide angle. If the panel was set back by the tiniest more margin than intended, it would be easy to lose a great deal of light when viewing off axis, while losing virtually none from head on.

I want to be clear that I don't believe this is causing the "crease" or actually has anything to do with it. Rather, it's that I do believe the crease is do what Sony of Europe admitted to on a forum post: an adhesive curing problem. That post makes more sense when you understand that the HX929 uses a new design and that they weren't referring to the panel itself -- nothing new to see here -- but instead to the putting together of the entire TV.

Without actually seeing a Sony HX929 disassembled, I wouldn't want to even speculate on whether one could improve the viewing angle on sets where it was less good, but it's not out of the realm of possible. In fact, it could be as easy as tightening some screws or shimming the display in the appropriate place. There's an extraordinarily good chance we will never know.

It's unfortunate that a bunch of people who are reasonably trustworthy seemed to have proved that the viewing angle of this set is not a reliable constant however.
post #5486 of 15541
The black level on those Dark Knight pics looks ridiculously good, it can't look that good in real life.
post #5487 of 15541
More off angle shots

CENTER


Approx 45 degrees


Approx. 60+ degrees
post #5488 of 15541
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Originally Posted by Slickman View Post

The black level on those Dark Knight pics looks ridiculously good, it can't look that good in real life.

Oh....but they DO look like that in person(when properly calibrated, of course).
post #5489 of 15541
IMRIZZO ur pics looks supurb. Would you mind posting ur settings for blu-ray and cable? I'm using the Cnet settings now but the blacks dont look so deep like yours.
post #5490 of 15541
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Originally Posted by audhwang View Post

IMRIZZO ur pics looks supurb. Would you mind posting ur settings for blu-ray and cable? I'm using the Cnet settings now but the blacks dont look so deep like yours.

Calibration settings:

Picture Mode..........Custom
Backlight ................5
Picture ...................89
Brightness ..............51
Color .....................50
Hue ........................0
Color Temp ............Warm2
Sharpness ..............42
Noise reduction .......Low
MPEG .....................Low
Dot Noise Reduction Auto
Reality creation .......Auto
Smooth graduation .Low
Motion Flow ...........Clear
CineMotion .............Auto
Advance settings
Black Corrector ......Off
Adv Contrast enhan Off
Gamma .................+1
Led Dynamic Cont....Standard
Auto light limiter ......Off
Clear White .............Low
Live Color ...............Low
White Balance ........R-Gain -3
..............................G-Gain -5
..............................B-Gain -5
..............................R-Bias 0
..............................G-Bias 0
..............................B Bias 0
Detail Enhancer .......Low
Edge Enhancer ........Low
Ambient Sensor ......On
HDMI Dynamic Range...HDMI 1 / Auto
SBM .......................On __________________
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