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post #7471 of 15540
usappliance has the 55" model for under twenty-three benji's (after filling out address and clicking apply)
post #7472 of 15540
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

TRy unpluggung it for 10 minutes and then plug it back in.

Did not work.

Off to sleep, will call Sony support tomorrow.
post #7473 of 15540
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

I'm used to that and having been friends with Robert for a number of years now it's become a running joke that I'm a Sony Whore and I call them Panny Pimps. But it is definitely biased and Kevin apoloigized for blocking the Sony on Sat. event and I had to often remind hime to move over on Sunday. But their main objective IMO was to showcase the Elite and Panny. And I think that had a lot to do with the Elite's entry and it's relationship to the former Pioneer products and everything kept coming back to those 2 models. And understandably due to all the inquiries regarding the Elite product, ( which was a nice display and with the color corrections could easily surpass Panasonic) albeit the off axis LED inherent problems althought the Elite was definitely better than the Sony, but as a sole viewer that's not a concern to me.

Hey Riz, at least I pointed out on Sunday the fact that the Sony didn't have the proper local dimming setting on. The gray blacks were a bit of a giveaway! Quite a difference once Kevin dialed in the proper setting! I wonder if the voting the night before was done with this improper setting too?

Speaking of defective displays, I'm convinced the Elite was defective since the undersaturation was ridiculous. Mine has no such issue in the same THX mode theirs was in.

QC these days among all the manufacturers is really pretty poor.
post #7474 of 15540
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't D-nice do a calibration on one of these for a customer? I could have sworn I recall reading where he said it was a very good set. I wonder if he could way in on the apparent differences between what he saw out in the field and at the shootout.
post #7475 of 15540
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

The manufactures reps in attendance acknowledged the Calibrators, Robert and those in attendance for their input and notifications and expressed that one of the reasons they attend this event is to hear the serious questions and inquiries about their products so they can carry these finding back to their production tech to find solutions, the appreciate the critique and do not get uppity and offended because as they said it helps them create better panels and products.

Exactly! This is exactly the reason sony should be there.

I was planning on buying the 65 hx920 but i have my doubts now. Furthermore i am also in doubt about the size. If i decide to go for a 55 inch i thought i might as well wait for the new 2012 models.

how can these so-called professional calibrators have spend soooo many hours calibrating these sets and not have seen local dimming was off on the sony?
post #7476 of 15540
Ohh can now see the crease when the TV is not even on!

Have a reflection up in the left hand corner from a light comming in at app 45" from my right side. Can see crease line both vertical and horizontal.

It must be some internaƦ reflection.
post #7477 of 15540
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Hey Riz, at least I pointed out on Sunday the fact that the Sony didn't have the proper local dimming setting on. The gray blacks were a bit of a giveaway! Quite a difference once Kevin dialed in the proper setting! I wonder if the voting the night before was done with this improper setting too?

Speaking of defective displays, I'm convinced the Elite was defective since the undersaturation was ridiculous. Mine has no such issue in the same THX mode theirs was in.

QC these days among all the manufacturers is really pretty poor.

So they took all their measurements on Saturday night with the 929 not setup properly makes me sad...and a part of me wonders if it was done on purpose now. Those guys were experts and should have known how to properly configure the set. At the very least they should have remeasured the Sony with it setup correctly but I would guess this did not happen since I haven't seen any posts other than from Saturday night regarding contrast ratio's, black levels etc.
post #7478 of 15540
Then since I viewed the set on Saturday, I must have seen it with local dimming off. That might explain it because I have seen the 929 look better than it did the other night. I still think it show Sony's waning interest in the display business to not show up. Hell even the Samsung rep showed up knowing he was going to get grilled about their lack of local dimming LED displays!
post #7479 of 15540
Sorry folks to cutting through. BEST SETTING FOR WHITE LEVEL 05.
post #7480 of 15540
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Hey Riz, at least I pointed out on Sunday the fact that the Sony didn't have the proper local dimming setting on. The gray blacks were a bit of a giveaway! Quite a difference once Kevin dialed in the proper setting! I wonder if the voting the night before was done with this improper setting too?

Speaking of defective displays, I'm convinced the Elite was defective since the undersaturation was ridiculous. Mine has no such issue in the same THX mode theirs was in.

QC these days among all the manufacturers is really pretty poor.

Ken, were you sitting in the front row Sun. ?
post #7481 of 15540
Wait, they took all their objective measurements with the one thing that sets it apart turned off? What about when they were doing all the other more subjective testing? If this is correct, how can any of this be taken seriously?
post #7482 of 15540
Guys, not to make bold proclamations but it seems increasingly clear to me and a few others that the "LED Dynamic Control" setting was turned off -- which regulates whether the set has its Full Array Local Dimming function on or off. I don't believe it was intentional conspiracy, these guys are the professionals whether or not they have a plasma bias.

A simple explanation is this: there are 15 different settings of Reductions/Enhancers/Controls in the Picture Adjustments (everything from Dot Noise Reduction to Reality Creation to Black Enhancement) and most of these are set to OFF on the calibrated reviewer sets (and the settings people have posted here). It unfortunately could easily have been overlooked, especially if they did not realize that LED Dynamic Control meant Local Dimming Control.

Noone needs the HDTV shootout to tell them how good their set is. Sit down in front of your television and enjoy it. If the blacks are as black as the TV's bezel, the colors make your eyes feel like they are having an acid trip, and the only time you see Halo's is when the credits roll then its safe to assume you have one of, if not THE best, TV on the market.

Also fellas, the ElitE is almost 2.5 times as expensive as the 55HX929, and a couple thousand more than than the 65'' whenever it comes out. You should be counting on it being a superior set, and the fact that the results are pretty comparable (especially since the HX929 may not have had Local Dimming on) is just gravy. The cherry on the top. Lastly, plasmas certainly have their advantages for big-screen viewing, but they also have their disadvantages compared to LED's. Again, the fact that the HX929 holds its own against the very best plasmas should be all the icing on the cake to be more than satisfied. If you are the type that needs rationalizations to overcome your buyer's remorse, or simply want to know that you have bought the best TV, I hope this helped. Plus there's only one TV on the market that you can put in a room and have it be its very own work of art -- WHILE OFF. The VT30 and Samsung's look great to be sure, but the sheer-black monolithic glass panel is simply stunning in any room.
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Originally Posted by electrofascist View Post

If local dimming was inactive on 929 it was handicapped. Also, if the Elite was highly undersaturated it suggests that many already made up their minds regardless of PQ.
Professional reviews and events like this must be taken with a grain of salt.

No, it was just in a setting that didn't do it any justice.
post #7484 of 15540
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Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 View Post

So they took all their measurements on Saturday night with the 929 not setup properly makes me sad...and a part of me wonders if it was done on purpose now. Those guys were experts and should have known how to properly configure the set. At the very least they should have remeasured the Sony with it setup correctly but I would guess this did not happen since I haven't seen any posts other than from Saturday night regarding contrast ratio's, black levels etc.

I don't believe this was done intentionally. I know these guys and their integrity is beyond reproach IMO.

I also have no idea if the Sony was set up the same way on Saturday night. If it was, then it unquestionably put the Sony at a disadvantage. It should have been picked up right away when there was no stimulus sent to the Sony and the screen was a dark gray rather than black.
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

Ken, were you sitting in the front row Sun. ?

That be me.
post #7486 of 15540
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Originally Posted by wth718 View Post

Wait, they took all their objective measurements with the one thing that sets it apart turned off? What about when they were doing all the other more subjective testing? If this is correct, how can any of this be taken seriously?

Once the error was pointed out, the Sony was put in the proper setting. So at least on Sunday the voting was done with the Sony at its best.
post #7487 of 15540
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Originally Posted by electrofascist View Post

Whatever you want to call it.

What I was saying is that local dimming was on, but not in its best mode.
post #7488 of 15540
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Once the error was pointed out, the Sony was put in the proper setting. So at least on Sunday the voting was done with the Sony at its best.

But the blooming between the block of text displayed and the logo was still there.
post #7489 of 15540
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

That be me.

I wish you would've said hello.
Meet Ken Ross
post #7490 of 15540
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Originally Posted by wth718 View Post

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't D-nice do a calibration on one of these for a customer? I could have sworn I recall reading where he said it was a very good set. I wonder if he could way in on the apparent differences between what he saw out in the field and at the shootout.

he did it for Akadennis
post #7491 of 15540
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I don't believe this was done intentionally. I know these guys and their integrity is beyond reproach IMO.

I also have no idea if the Sony was set up the same way on Saturday night. If it was, then it unquestionably put the Sony at a disadvantage. It should have been picked up right away when there was no stimulus sent to the Sony and the screen was a dark gray rather than black.

How did it slip by all of those "experts" that the dynamic LED option was not correctly configured? To me that seems to point to the fact that one person set them up and that one person did not have the required knowledge to configure the Sony properly.
post #7492 of 15540
The sets were ISF'd as a collaborative effort. D-Nice & Kevin Miller, two of the most respected names in the business, did the calibrations. Does that mean that an error couldn't have been made? Obviously not.
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A panel of experts working for a few days to set up the panels correctly and a basic setting is missed.

Excellent.

post #7494 of 15540
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A panel of experts working for a few days to set up the panels correctly and a basic setting is missed.

Excellent.


S--t happens.
post #7495 of 15540
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Originally Posted by IMRIZZO View Post

I wish you would've said hello.

Riz, I didn't realize you were there. In fact I thought you had said earlier you were going to the Saturday session. We could have car pooled from L.I.
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Riz, I didn't realize you were there. In fact I thought you had said earlier you were going to the Saturday session. We could have car pooled from L.I.

I was taking pictures I went there with John Dsskid HDF/HDJ. Where are you on the Island?
post #7497 of 15540
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I was taking pictures I went there with John Dsskid HDF/HDJ. Where are you on the Island?

Eastern Nassau
post #7498 of 15540
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

The sets were ISF'd as a collaborative effort. D-Nice & Kevin Miller, two of the most respected names in the business, did the calibrations. Does that mean that an error couldn't have been made? Obviously not.

D-Nice is a stud. He provides endless amounts of valuable data to the forum. Dont know Kevin Miller other than seen him around and heard people mention him.
post #7499 of 15540
Not to go off on a tangent here, but are people here who are purchasing extended warranties for their 929s purchasing from Best Buy/Geek Squad or Sony?

The Best Buy version costs around 2x what Sony's does, but Best Buy's does cover dead pixels and removal/reinstallation where Sony's does not, but Best Buy uses their own techs vs. "Sony authorized" ones (which, via past experience, doesn't necessarily mean much.)

I looked and didn't see an obvious thread where this is discussed, so my apologies in advance if this has already been hashed out elsewhere.
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D-Nice is a stud. He provides endless amounts of valuable data to the forum. Dont know Kevin Miller other than seen him around and heard people mention him.

They're both top notch. Duane has always been a major asset to folks on AVS. Kevin is also a consultant to several of the display manufacturers, helping them in the proper design of their equipment.
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