Official Panasonic DMP-BDT110/210/310 Owners Thread - Page 122

will the 110 bitstream all audio formats? (true hd/dts master etc.)
for example, ive read in an earlier post that it will only output 5.1 lpcm, im assuming i could bitstream a 7.1 dts master soundtrack and let my receiver decode the audio and play the 7.1 track? will that work or will it still only output the track to 5.1 regardless?

im trying to return my sony s580 and get the panny 110

It will bitstream the native formats on BD's, and as far as PCM is concerned, the 5.1 limitation applies to DVDs (all formats), Dolby formats for BDs, and any BD format when secondary audio is turned on. The 110 can produce 6.1 or 7.1 PCM by decoding the various DTS formats. See page 39 in the manual for a handy table detailing the audio output settings and formats.

PM simon__birch. He's had no problems with the enhanced fw.

thank you! i'll be returning my sony s580 tomorrow and picking up the 110.

And how do you interpret this footnote from that little table:
And this bit, from page 7:

A bit of "Japanglish", but clear enough. I think that this limitation is purely software and that the BDT110 could produce 6.1 and 7.1 channel PCM as easily as the other two, but is prevented from doing so to make spending more money on one of the others attractive to those for whom that's important.

(I'd check this but I don't seem to have any BDs with "better" than 5.1 soundtracks. The ones I checked were Avatar (non-3D version), Harry Potter and the Order of the Pheonix, Terminator 2, Ratatouille, Cars and the collector's edition of Blade Runner. In fact, flipping through recent releases at HighDefDigest.com I can't find any discs with 6.1 or 7.1 soundtracks).

IIRC, there is only one Dolby TrueHD 7.1 release. All others are DTS-HD 7.1 which according to the manual should have no problem decoding. Besides, how many ppl out there actually has a 7.1 HDMI receiver that can't decode TrueHD or DTS-HD? Most of those early PCM only HDMI receivers are probably 5.1 anyway.

If you already have a modern HDMI receiver, you want to use bitstream anyway because receivers do a better job mapping the speakers when decoding DTS-HD 5.1 tracks (about >90% of the titles these days are DTS-HD 5.1). Panasonic in-player DTS decoding always force 7.1 PCM output which may not be the best because (1) it doesn't know your rear speaker layout (only your receiver knows) (2) you can't apply advanced algorithms like Dolby PLIIx to convert 5.1 into 7.1 on your receiver side.

Fully agree with you Mike -- it looks like Panasonic arbitrarily decided to limit PCM output to 5.1 channels for any and all Dolby formats. I found a lot of "funky" decisions like this one in the lower-end Blu-ray models on the market. Like you say, they're trying to drive sales to the higher-end units.

LOTR Extended Edition is the only BD title I know of with a DTS 6.1 soundtrack. Tangled is the only one I know of -- and own -- which has a DTS 7.1 soundtrack.

If curious, see my subsequent reply to Foxbat regarding why I'm stuck on PCM....

Excellent points! I have a rather unique situation, in that my "modern" Yamaha YHT-S400 soundbar system handles 1080/24p signals, including 3D pass-through, BUT only carries native decoders for Dolby Digital and DTS. Yamaha did, however, accomodate HD audio by allowing the S400 to handle up to 7.1 channel PCM input. (Why they didn't include native decoders for HD audio is a mystery to me -- maybe to keep the unit at a lower price point?)

So in my case, I'm happy to live with decoded 5.1 for Dolby and decoded/upgraded 7.1 for DTS.

hey guys here's a site to check out the audio on blu-ray disk's http://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/Stats.php

After reading through all the great content in this thread to come up to speed I went ahead and ordered a BDT-210 yesterday through the EPP Panasonic site (great deal!). Yesterday evening I received a call telling me that they were changing my order to a BDT-215. As I wasn't in a situation where I could look up any info on the 215 (nor was I even aware of its existence at that point) I asked if it had the same features as the 210. I was told yes, and it's better. I told her from the naming convention it just sounded as if a newer version of the same model had been released and so long as it had all the same features as the 210 I was fine with the change.

Going to Panny's website today I now see the 215. Comparing the 210 and the 215 I don't see anything different between the two. Curiously, when I check the status of my order at the Panny Direct website I currently have BOTH the 210 AND the 215 ordered.

I'm sure they'll sort it out and I'll get one or the other (I assume the 215 as they are most likely transitioning), maybe late next week as I opted for the standard (free) UPS Ground. I'll post my thoughts when I receive it but if anyone else has seen or sees a 215 before then I'm interested to hear what, if anything, might be different.

I've seen people posting that they picked up a 215 from a Costco which included a HDMI cable.

I see they have learned Sony's trick.

I think you give Sony too much credit

They had different numbers for th e60 depending on where you bought it. The only thing I noticed on the 215 is the website doesn't mention the free Avatar. Maybe I missed it.

They are getting ready for the next promotion which I believe will be Star Wars.

Typically xx0 and xx5 models are identical except for the sales channel (warehouse club versus retail) and the included accessories (like HDMI cables).

I just got the 110 for $80 and mailed in the Avatar (3D BluRay) coupon. I'm going to sell the Avatar 3D BluRay on ebay for $80 (they are selling fast) so I'll pretty much get the 110 for free.

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3296704

5.1 still contains all the information of 7.1. The missing 2 rear channels are mixed into the existing 5.1 channels. In your case, it doesn't really make any difference since you have no rear speakers

Well this was from Panasonic Direct so I'm not sure what the deal is then. Just called Panasonic to inquire about my order and was told, as mentioned above, the only difference between the 210 and 215 is that the 215 includes an HDMI cable. I asked about the Avatar 3D coupon and she said I was the first customer that had inquired about it and asked to put me on hold so she could find out.

Yup, the Avatar 3d coupon is NOT part of the 215 package. She informed me that, when they call you, if you accept the switch then you are stuck. When I told her that I had asked, multiple times, of the person calling me that I was getting everything I was getting with the 210 I was assured that I was. Since I was on the bus when she called I had no way of looking up any info to see what differences there were and was wholly dependent upon the person on the phone.

She apologized but said they no longer have the 210 and if I wanted Avatar I could either downgrade to the 110 or upgrade to the 310. Instead I cancelled the order. Now - she's not sure if they'll be able to stop it in time. Sheesh - the webpage in no way shows that the status of the order is even ready to ship. So NOW I have to make sure my wife doesn't accept any UPS packages AND that the UPS guy doesn't just leave the package.

This went from being a painless and easy transaction to a pain in the a** in a hurry.

Any word on when Vudu 3D will work.

I have the 110, just a quick question.

I'm trying to connect the player to the TV via HDMI cable for the picture, and use the analogue audio outputs for the sound.

Can't seem to get this to work, and after seeing no options in the settings and nothing in the manual I'm guessing you have to either use the HDMI output or the Video Out, and it's not possible to use both at the same time.

Can someone confirm this and give a reason why?

Many thanks.

Looks like it does. I just checked the rebate form on the amazon site and it clearly mentions the DMP-BDT215. I have attached it here. Not sure why the csr told you it does not.
I am in the same boat as you.. i had ordered the 210 from panasonic and i am being shipped the 215..

 

Avatar_MIR_Form._V170264116_.pdf 236.0576171875k . file

Curioser and curioser! Thanks for the feedback.

OK, latest chapter, just received a call from Cindy at Panasonic. She had received the "intercept" order to not ship but looked at the reason and called me to let me know that I still qualified for the Avatar 3D offer. OK, then, let's go ahead and proceed with the order I told her and thanked her for the followup. She said she will be working to get the message out to the rep's so they don't make this mistake again.

I will say that every person I spoke to at Panny has been extremely polite, even the CSR that told me I was hosed.

In fact it's 2.380952381% mo bettah!

Or, looking at it another way: It's 1.02380952381 times as good!



Jim

It's interesting that this isn't one of the connection scenarios covered by the manual. It does cover connecting HDMI directly to the television and using optical S/PDIF for sound. Try going to Menu->Setup->Player Settings->TV/Device Connection and set "HDMI Audio Output" to "Off". (The manual says to do that if you use the optical S/PDIF connection for audio).

Just curious--what are you plugging the analog outputs into?

Hi, I'm wanting to use the RCA phono jacks not the optical out.

I'm trying to use headphones with the player. My tv only has an optical audio output so I'm wondering if this would work:

Route the audio out of the TV via optical cable into this:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TOSLINK-OP...item231371243b

Then plug that into this:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-x-3-5mm-...item255d8f1718

Then plug the headphones into that.

Technically I'm sure it should work, but I have a feeling it's not going to be that easy.

Can anyone confirm if this will/won't work?

Cheers

You can get analog audio out with HDMI out as long as you don't use 24p out over HDMI. With 24p, the analog audio out doesn't work (but the digital audio out does work).

No that won't work. You need some serious electronics to convert digital audio into analog. A mechanical adapter or two won't work. It will probably cost you close to $100 or more.

BTW, the first adapter is not to covert into the 3.5mm stereo signal at all. It is rather an optical funal that converts common optical cable head into a mini-jack type head that some device requires. One of my optical cable actually comes with such converter (plastic) for free. And the only time I needed it is when I use my JVC Dobly Digital 5.1 headphone box ($100+).

Just set up a new 310 and wanted to know if there were any glitches with the latest firmware
TIA