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post #6061 of 8458
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Originally Posted by UNICRON-WMD View Post

I have a dedicated theater and all I care about is the best PQ I can get for the money. I wish I could pick up the Oppo, but at the time, money is a tad tight.

Just my two cents, but I do believe the one big difference in using an Oppo (I have an 83 in my HT connected to a 65" Panasonic plasma) is that the Oppo seems to be much closer to a film-like PQ. I've been a professional photographer for 35 years and seen every type of film there is and the Oppo PQ struck me as something akin to looking at a kodachrome photograph. May just be my eyes but I have a Panasonic 110 hooked up to a 42" Panny plasma that looks fine but a bit synthetic looking, like viewing a digital photo blow-up. So for me, the extra money has been well-worth it.
post #6062 of 8458
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Originally Posted by subavision212 View Post

Just my two cents, but I do believe the one big difference in using an Oppo (I have an 83 in my HT connected to a 65" Panasonic plasma) is that the Oppo seems to be much closer to a film-like PQ. I've been a professional photographer for 35 years and seen every type of film there is and the Oppo PQ struck me as something akin to looking at a kodachrome photograph. May just be my eyes but I have a Panasonic 110 hooked up to a 42" Panny plasma that looks fine but a bit synthetic looking, like viewing a digital photo blow-up. So for me, the extra money has been well-worth it.

You'll get that synthetic look on the panny unless you turn off Super Resolution during playback (it's on by default). Once you do that, it will look like your Oppo.
post #6063 of 8458
I have read the issues on this thread related to blu rays from other regions, but am having difficulty with a region free disc. I have 5 discs from Britain that are region free, and 4 of the 5 play. When I put in this particular blu ray that doesn't work, I still get audio but there's just no picture. All 5 titles work on my Samsung BD-C6500 player, which is not region unlocked in any way, just a basic, store bought U.S. player with no "special" firmware. Any ideas on where the problem may be? If it was truly encoded wrong it seems there would be no picture or sound, not one without the other. Also, if it was a region issue then it shouldn't play on my other blu ray player either, but it plays just fine. I suppose it could be a problem with the disc itself.

Thoughts? Thanks.
post #6064 of 8458
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Originally Posted by jlj93byu View Post

I have read the issues on this thread related to blu rays from other regions, but am having difficulty with a region free disc. I have 5 discs from Britain that are region free, and 4 of the 5 play. When I put in this particular blu ray that doesn't work, I still get audio but there's just no picture. All 5 titles work on my Samsung BD-C6500 player, which is not region unlocked in any way, just a basic, store bought U.S. player with no "special" firmware. Any ideas on where the problem may be? If it was truly encoded wrong it seems there would be no picture or sound, not one without the other. Also, if it was a region issue then it shouldn't play on my other blu ray player either, but it plays just fine. I suppose it could be a problem with the disc itself.

Thoughts? Thanks.

When a BD disc is in either 25p or 50i format as most of those overseas disc can be, your American TV can't handle that (which typically only accept 24p, 60i or 60p). I knew this because I have a disc (locally producted High school graduation event) and can't play on any of my players (has audio but no video). Played in on my PC and confirmed the video is 50i. Your Samsung player probably converts those into proper American TV standard or output the signal regardless. I have 3 BD players, two panasonic and one Samsung, none of them can play correctly.
post #6065 of 8458
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Originally Posted by jlj93byu View Post

I have read the issues on this thread related to blu rays from other regions, but am having difficulty with a region free disc. I have 5 discs from Britain that are region free, and 4 of the 5 play. When I put in this particular blu ray that doesn't work, I still get audio but there's just no picture. All 5 titles work on my Samsung BD-C6500 player, which is not region unlocked in any way, just a basic, store bought U.S. player with no "special" firmware. Any ideas on where the problem may be? If it was truly encoded wrong it seems there would be no picture or sound, not one without the other. Also, if it was a region issue then it shouldn't play on my other blu ray player either, but it plays just fine. I suppose it could be a problem with the disc itself.

Thoughts? Thanks.

In addition to what Foxbat said, the North American Panny's do not support any 50 fps dvd or blu-ray.
post #6066 of 8458
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Originally Posted by Brandenborg View Post




2) I've found DLNA from Win7 to work very well and easy to set up - as long as you only play MPEG files

I was playing around with the Media Rendering (home, setting and Windows 7, and that appears to work well. You have to say each time that you want to play "to" the bdt device. This should mean that anything that you can make play through the windows media player will show up on the tv. You should be able to find additional codec to install and play more types of media.
post #6067 of 8458
I've successfully been using Mezzmo DNLA server with my 210. I've set the device profile as "Panasonic BDP". I've thrown a lot of AVI files at it, some I know where 720p 5.1 and possibly some 1080 stuff without a hiccup so far (knock on wood). Been using the demo mode and will purchase it this week. Very satisfied at this point. YMMV
post #6068 of 8458
I just posted in the "Deals" section also, bought thought I would post here also. Buy.com has the Panasonic DMP-BDT310 today for $169.99 with Free Shipping. This appears to be almost $10.00 cheaper than Amazon. I just ordered one and wanted to pass along the potential savings.
post #6069 of 8458
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Originally Posted by subavision212 View Post

Just my two cents, but I do believe the one big difference in using an Oppo (I have an 83 in my HT connected to a 65" Panasonic plasma) is that the Oppo seems to be much closer to a film-like PQ.

Actually it's the other way round. Oppo player even adds additional noise to the image (due to the bad deblocking of the Mediatek decoder) and the Qdeo automatically applies contrast and color enhancements. This generates an extremely deep image, which looks astonishing at times, but it is not natural but eye-pleasing. The Panny on the other side shows a very natural looking image close to reference, although people tend to like eye pleasing images more than natural looking images.

I have both players here and for BDs I now use my Panny as I like a more natural image.
post #6070 of 8458
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Originally Posted by Brandenborg View Post

For starters, I assume you're playing from USB or network drive since you're doing MKV. With these players, MPEG files can be played through DLNA alright, anything else it's best to convert into MKV and play through network drive (or USB).

Hmmm - just re-read this and realized that you mentioned DLNA for my player - I'm not sure it supports this. I haven't seen any pages to setup this DLNA configuration.. The 215 model can do DLNA? And is it more reliable for playback of MPEG files? If so, this is way easier for me to do.. I've go shares all over my home network for various music and video streaming.. FYI It's all over wireless ..

Thanks again for your help..
post #6071 of 8458
Just noticed something odd when watching fight Club on DVD the other night. On the counter display every 3rd second would jump. I.E. 1 would display for a second then 2 would display for a second the 3 would jump quickly to 4.
post #6072 of 8458
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Originally Posted by LBSources View Post

Hmmm - just re-read this and realized that you mentioned DLNA for my player - I'm not sure it supports this. I haven't seen any pages to setup this DLNA configuration.. The 215 model can do DLNA? And is it more reliable for playback of MPEG files? If so, this is way easier for me to do.. I've go shares all over my home network for various music and video streaming.. FYI It's all over wireless ..

Thanks again for your help..

Yes your player does DLNA as well as network shares and is very reliable, assuming you only play MPEG and MKV.

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Originally Posted by match14 View Post

Just noticed something odd when watching fight Club on DVD the other night. On the counter display every 3rd second would jump. I.E. 1 would display for a second then 2 would display for a second the 3 would jump quickly to 4.

If you accidentally press PLAY twice, you go to 1.3X normal speed. That would explain the jumps. However, you forgot the first rule of Fight Club: You do not talk about Fight Club!
post #6073 of 8458
I am looking to buy the 210 br player but I don't have a 3D tv now. That shouldn't be a problem as far as blue ray playback should it? I don't lose any functionality other than the 3D playback? I am going to hook it up via HDMI to a Samsung LN40D630 tv. Thanks.
post #6074 of 8458
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Originally Posted by Golferdude View Post

I am looking to buy the 210 br player but I don't have a 3D tv now. That shouldn't be a problem as far as blue ray playback should it? I don't lose any functionality other than the 3D playback? I am going to hook it up via HDMI to a Samsung LN40D630 tv. Thanks.

No problem at all. You don't need a 3D TV to watch 2D with any 3D blu-ray player.
post #6075 of 8458
Thanks, that was what I thought but wanted to make sure...
post #6076 of 8458
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Originally Posted by Golferdude View Post

I am looking to buy the 210 br player but I don't have a 3D tv now. That shouldn't be a problem as far as blue ray playback should it? I don't lose any functionality other than the 3D playback? I am going to hook it up via HDMI to a Samsung LN40D630 tv. Thanks.

It's already been answered above but I have the 210 with a non-3D set and it plays "regular" Blu-rays and DVDs just fine.
post #6077 of 8458
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Originally Posted by match14 View Post

Just noticed something odd when watching fight Club on DVD the other night. On the counter display every 3rd second would jump. I.E. 1 would display for a second then 2 would display for a second the 3 would jump quickly to 4.

On my 310 I have noticed that the 1 is displayed like 1,5 seconds, the 2 for 0,5 seconds, the 3 for 1,5 seconds and the 4 for 0,5 seconds. While the on screen display shows the time correctly with one second between digits. And that is with normal play and not some 1.3 double play button thing.
post #6078 of 8458
Ok, I picked up the 210 and set it up. I use a Epson 1080UB and I sit about 9ft away from my 104" screen and I am very happy with the picture. Still need to do some tweeking but looks very good.

I have a few questions. Are there any advanced settings to "unlock" on the 210 as far as video/PQ goes? I ask because the setting seem very simplistic and straight forward.

Also, I have a pretty old Avia DVD that I use to setup/adjusting the video. Is there anything new out there that I should look at? Maybe something on Blu-ray?
post #6079 of 8458
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Originally Posted by UNICRON-WMD View Post

Ok, I picked up the 210 and set it up. I use a Epson 1080UB and I sit about 9ft away from my 104" screen and I am very happy with the picture. Still need to do some tweeking but looks very good.

I have a few questions. Are there any advanced settings to "unlock" on the 210 as far as video/PQ goes? I ask because the setting seem very simplistic and straight forward.

Also, I have a pretty old Avia DVD that I use to setup/adjusting the video. Is there anything new out there that I should look at? Maybe something on Blu-ray?

Go to display with a disc in and hit video. Either DVE or Spears and Munsil. There are also test patterns here on AVS in one of the TV forums you can download and burn to disc.

S~
post #6080 of 8458
Actually there is. You can only get to the advanced settings while a disc is playing by pressing Status. This is also how you enable 24p every time you play a DVD. I recommend you turn all effects way down or off (super resolution, detail clarity, etc.).

For adjusting, I just downloaded the AVCHD calibration disc from this site (can't remember where exactly) and burned it to a DVD. That gives you lots of nice 1080p cal screens.

EDIT: teachsac beat me to it.
post #6081 of 8458
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

Yes your player does DLNA as well as network shares and is very reliable, assuming you only play MPEG and MKV.

Wow! Admittedly, I overlooked this in the manual. I didn't fully understand it, until reading through this thread

Great news! I'm now able to play the .mkv files using a network share/drive, not the DLNA option. I've never heard of it(DLNA), but saw the option to add a network drive and I have several shared out across my network already. So I added a drive/share, converted one of the same .avi files from showrss using Handbrake and it plays perfectly!

Thanks very much mdavej and Branden!
post #6082 of 8458
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Originally Posted by LBSources View Post

Hey Branden - Thanks for the response. I did try handbrake as well - I ended up with the same result as MKVmerge. I guess my sources, which I get from showrss/eztv aren't good enough.

Glad to know that the problem may not totally be me

I may just give up at this point since I'm not sure a ton of effort is worth getting this to work vs. just connecting my laptop to the TV and watching them this way. I thought when I purchased this player I'd be able to keep my laptop on my lap and watch movies at the same time.. I should have searched around before making the purchase..

Thanks again Branden! You are really a lot of help!

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Originally Posted by LBSources View Post

Hmmm - just re-read this and realized that you mentioned DLNA for my player - I'm not sure it supports this. I haven't seen any pages to setup this DLNA configuration.. The 215 model can do DLNA? And is it more reliable for playback of MPEG files? If so, this is way easier for me to do.. I've go shares all over my home network for various music and video streaming.. FYI It's all over wireless ..

Thanks again for your help..

No problem, thanks for the feedback.

I don't believe there is any file that cannot be made to play on your Panny. Some files may require re-encoding (Handbrake etc) which is slow, others can simply be re-muxed with MKVmerge or Haali, and some may play right away (probably not many though). Once you know how to convert them, which tools and settings produce compatible files, it's not too bad in terms of time and hassle. But getting to that point can be a struggle -- and that's where you have to decide if it's worth the effort. If you have money, space and connections to spare, dedicated media players definitely do a better job.

Specifically on your comments:

1) Your 210/215 absolutely has DLNA. Select Network->Home Network->DLNA Client and it will search and list any DLNA servers on your network. Very easy to use and supports music, pictures and video. The only video format supported natively through DLNA is MPEG (1/2). Win7's DLNA server (Advanced Sharing Settings->Media Streaming) lets you stream TS, PS, or MPG files with FF/Rew -- but not MKV (as far as I know). Other video formats (such as MP4/H.264) depend on the DLNA server. I noticed today some members have posted success using 3rd party DNA servers to play other file types. You may want to check that.

2) For native MKV support by the Panny you need to connect as Network Drive or USB. The MKV can contain MPEG1/2 or MP4/H.264 as long as it adheres to the Panny's strict MKV rules. That's what the long discussion and the many tests last November were all about.

3) Again, for MKV files that will not play even after re-mux with MKVmerge or Haali (with header removal disabled) you need to re-encode (Handbreake etc). Do look for ktm911's posts on this, he dug deep.

4) I understand about WiFi, I am not saying you cannot use that. But I strongly recommend a wired connection (or USB) at least until you know that your files play. Any compatibility issues with the file are exacerbated by the latencies of WiFi. I've seen it make a big difference.

And once again, only you know if it's worth the effort.

BTW, I really am a Borg. Think Bach or Berlin, but instead of Brandenburg it's Brandenborg

Edit: Of course by the time I posted this, I saw your success post. Once again good job there!
post #6083 of 8458
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Originally Posted by sbsidlov View Post

I was playing around with the Media Rendering (home, setting and Windows 7, and that appears to work well. You have to say each time that you want to play "to" the bdt device. This should mean that anything that you can make play through the windows media player will show up on the tv. You should be able to find additional codec to install and play more types of media.

Thanks, sbsidlov.

Yeah I tried that one when I first got the player and I believe it worked OK -- as you found too. For me it's simply not practical to use the PC to contol playback when I watch in our living room. I want to use the Panny's remote and leave my PC in the office.

I was wondering myself if adding codecs on the PC would make those files playable through DLNA. Haven't really played with it, but would love to hear any good test results.
post #6084 of 8458
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Originally Posted by Sugarnutz View Post

I've successfully been using Mezzmo DNLA server with my 210. I've set the device profile as "Panasonic BDP". I've thrown a lot of AVI files at it, some I know where 720p 5.1 and possibly some 1080 stuff without a hiccup so far (knock on wood). Been using the demo mode and will purchase it this week. Very satisfied at this point. YMMV

That's interesting, thanks for sharing. Certainly if I can find a way to play a broader range of files through DLNA, that would save the step of converting them to MKV.

Does Mezzmo support FF/Rew on the Panny? Also, do you know if it supports subtitles?

Thanks again.
post #6085 of 8458
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

Yes your player does DLNA as well as network shares and is very reliable, assuming you only play MPEG and MKV.

Just for clarification: The Panny's MKV support is unrelated to DLNA.

It plays MPEG1/2 natively through DLNA -- anything else depends on the DLNA server transcoding to MPEG2, which is often a bad experience (though I noticed Sugarnutz' post of success with Mezzmot).

Where MKV comes in is through Network Drive and USB where the Panny natively supports a broader range of video formats -- but only if they are contained in MKV files. It also has better playback features when playing these files over Network Drive or USB compared to DLNA. Specifically, it supports FF/Rew for all formats whereas DLNA only supports FF/Rew on MPEG (and it can be a bit jerky); also, the Panny supports MKV subtitles over Network Drive or USB, which are not supported through DLNA unless the DLNA server burns them in.

Sorry to be nitpicky, mdavej, I know you don't use these features. But I wouldn't want advice others to waste time trying to play MKV files through DLNA. If you have compatible MKV files on a file server, Network Drive is a better option.
post #6086 of 8458
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Originally Posted by LBSources View Post

Wow! Admittedly, I overlooked this in the manual. I didn't fully understand it, until reading through this thread

Great news! I'm now able to play the .mkv files using a network share/drive, not the DLNA option. I've never heard of it(DLNA), but saw the option to add a network drive and I have several shared out across my network already. So I added a drive/share, converted one of the same .avi files from showrss using Handbrake and it plays perfectly!

Thanks very much mdavej and Branden!

Good job! Thanks again for the feedback. I am sure it may help others!
post #6087 of 8458
Did someone say they just renamed a .avi to a .mkv and the file would play without having transcoded?
post #6088 of 8458
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Originally Posted by wco81 View Post

Did someone say they just renamed a .avi to a .mkv and the file would play without having transcoded?

That trick only works on sony players AFAIK. Divx/Xvid avi's only play on non-US panasonics.
post #6089 of 8458
I just recently purchased the DMP-BDT210 and I also have a DMR-EZ47V DVD/VHS Recorder hooked up to the same system.

How can I get the Panny blu-ray player remote to not turn on the DVD/Recorder as well?

It appears that when the Pan DVD Recorder is off, if I hit play on the Blu-ray remote, the DVD Recorder also turns on as well. Is there anyone to that feature off?
post #6090 of 8458
I had the same problem at first, the BDT310's remote also turned ON/OFF and controlled the DVD-F87 DVD changer close to it as well. You need to enter the BDT210's menu to change its remote code to something other than 1 (2, 3, ...,6).
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