Official Panasonic DMP-BDT110/210/310 Owners Thread - Page 260

Nice review. The 2011 pana's are top of the line for PQ in their price class. If the mechanical noise is not too bothersome and you don't stream video, you will be happy with your player.

Thank you, Lebowski.

I can see how the issue you mention with 1080p50/60 toggles during pausing of 1080p24 playback could be annoying. I just tried it now, and I am not able to reproduce it on my 110. Maybe it's because my US model 110 is different; OR maybe it does the same as yours, but since my TV doesn't accept 50Hz, I never see it

I assume you were referring to BD, I haven't tried with DVD.

Speaking of DVD, you may have noticed that you have to specifically enable 24p each time you play a DVD by hitting Display during playback and go to the Video menu. On my rear projection Mitsubishi DLP, PQ is significantly better if I leave 24p off for DVD.

As for the judder you mention with 24p on BD, you can always disable 24p in the HDMI/Connection setup menu and leave pulldown to the Panny. Unless your projector does 96, 120 or 240Hz that may be your best option anyway. (Sorry, I am sure you know that already).

Why there would be more judder than from your PS3 (with both outputting 24p) is a mystery to me.

And finally, yes, I miss that subtitle button too. I understand that earlier Panny remotes have it (and still work with this player). Maybe you can locate one of those somewhere. They don't have the Netflix button, but you don't care about that anyway.

Enjoy your player.

I've tried enabling and disabling 24 fps on blu ray. The difference is negligible as far as I can tell. Anyone ever notice a significant difference? If you have a specific disk and scene in mind, so much the better.

It's really only relevant if you have a TV that supports refresh rates that are multiples of 24 (like 96, 120, 240 Hz). That can reduce judder in panning scenes. If your TV is 60Hz it shouldn't matter either way.

A scene where I've noticed judder is the opening of Troy Director's Cut (dog on the plain, camera panning).

For DVDs I think 24p mode also affects the Panny's scaling. As I mentioned, it scales much better (for me) with 24p off. Could be just my setup.

Hyrax, Brandenborg

Thank you for the replies.

I took a look at the MKVMerge sites (GUI and non-GUI).
This is getting too complicated. So many otions in MKVMerge! I do not understand 90% of it.
All I want to do is take a High Def movie from my video camera an play it on my big plasma HD TV from DVD (or USB). It really should not be all that hard to do.

I will look at the posts from Oct to Dec 2011, thanks for cutting down my reading,.. I
mean it, there are thousands of posts.

I have emailed Panasonic support. No reply yet. The help I got from the young dude on the tel. help line, well... I think he was as tuned into the issue as I am.

I also saw mention of a 1080 60p mode. I'll see if my editor can output in this format. I have focused on 180-60i and 1080-24p in my recent effort. And I will have to look up how to make a folder, or container...
Hopeful it is in Oct to dec 2011.

Wish me luck...

I wonder if that is not your pj that does something when it receives a 24p signal because I can see no PQ difference between a NTSC DVD at 60p or 24p on my 64" display. I don't think that my display "corrects" the 24p image since the player sends it as 1080p which would disable any upscaling and deinterlacing in the display AFAIK.

Honestly I cannot grasp how you people can watch movies without 24p playback, but perhaps you guys are accustomed to 2:3 pulldown? Since I live in PAL-land we have always had judder free (at least from the pulldown) TV and DVDs (with a 4% speedup though) so we might notice the judder more since it's "new" to us.

I suspect that it might be from PAL setting. In the setup there is setting for TV system (PAL/NTSC) and I of course select PAL as I live in that area. I guess this also affects players HDMI output refresh rate because when I power up the player it output 1080/50p in its menu screen.
My projector supports all 50p/i, 60p/i and 24p. Obviously in your case setting NTSC and/or TV not accepting 50Hz makes this scenario impossible to happen.

Yes, I was recerring to BD.

I last night watched two blu-ray's @1080/24p and I noticed that player actually does act even more randomly than I thought when pressing stop first and second time. It can actually go to 50p or 60p without any predictability.
First movie it actually went to 60p mode in first and second time I pressed stop but second did 60p and 50p in the same sequence.
Anyway this does not cause any real problems other than unneccessary waiting when projector is syncing. Still it would be nice if it did have some logical behaviour to what refresh rate it will go when you press stop.

I need to keep eye on this and see if I can spot any logic.


Yes, I noticed that. Actually nearly all of my DVD's are PAL and this setting is only available for NTSC. I only have one region free NTSC movie and I tried that and my initial impression was that 24p setting looked better but this is mostly from the fact that I have calibrated my projector to D65 and Rec. 709 only for 24p/50p/i input where 60p is only roughly D65 calibrated. It has different memory slot for 60p/i while 24p/50p/i share the same one. I have so little use for 60p and because it already took several nights no sleep to get it where I wanted, I left 60p alone even it would get very close by just copying values from calibrated input.


My projector does support 24p fully and is able to output it in even multiples, so it is flawless. And as you noticed, I did not have any problem with PS3 outputting 24p.

Also it is quite hard to describe what the problem is. It is not classical judder but more like something that gets my attention only in certain kind of motion. In general pannings look fine with 110 but some detailed scenes can look a little weird. It actually looks more like some kind of a lag rather than judder. A little bit like some noise reduction but i have disabled them all in the player (even I think they might be in use for DVD only). I need to spend more time with this player but I cannot say I never seen like that with PS3.


I actually got the same idea and already have tried my Panny DVD player's remote which have subtitle button but it did not work even remote otherwise seemed to control 110 fine in most parts. I need to see if I can loan another model Panny BD remote controller with subtitle button somewhere and/or find a way to teach that button to my AV-receivers remote.


Otherwise Panny 110 still looks quite nice player. It is a bit slow with BD-R's but it works fine (it takes a while longer before it start to play). Also I noticed that error correction is a little poor. I had a disc that had minor physical problem. When I play that disc on my PC it only drops audio twice in certain scene in one second, you barely notice it but the same scene on 110 does pause picture with little scrambled video mute audio for like 10 seconds.
Unfortunately I cannot see how that disc does with PS3 but I remember from the that past it was not perfect in similar situation either.

I think this is exactly the reason why I'm sensitive to 2:3 pulldown and prefer 24p playback.

Hey guys, I tried searching but couldn't find anything, I was wondering if there is any sort of search function on this player, being able to input a specific time of a movie or show and skip rite to it, as far as I can tell I have seen no such option and don't believe there is, but was curious if anyone knew of some sort of trick or way to do this.

All I do is burn an AVCHD DVD using the software that came with my camera. That plays fine on every BD player I've ever had.

Try this recipe for using MKVmerge. I use it mainly for MPEG2 TS, but others found it working with MP4 and M2TS as well -- assuming the encode itself is compatible with the Panny.

You want to avoid re-encoding if at all possible, both for quality and to save time. The support guy who advised you to scale your 1080i/p content down to 1440... I wouldn't do that.

You can also write AVCHD to DVDs (or SD cards) as mdavej suggests. But Panny is very strict about AVCHD, so it may depend on which software you use.

I don't know why. I hardly ever watch DVDs, so I haven't investigated further. But the difference is clear: With 24p on, Panny's upscaling is only so-so for me. With 24p off it looks great -- better than my old Oppo. Again, it could be between the Panny and my 4 year old Mits (which accepts 24p input but only displays 60Hz).


What choice do we have? You don't just change the 60Hz standard. Of course that's why newer TVs have higher refresh rates which can render 24p perfectly (AND 60Hz too). PAL viewers have the same problem when watching US TV content shot in 30i or 60p (fortunately not much).

I am only mildly bothered by it. As someone who grew up in PAL-land, I can tell you that coming here in 2005, the glory of HD (720 AND 1080) by far outshined (outshone?) any judder issues with 24p content. At the time HD had been here since 1998, while it was nonexistent in Europe until more recently. A $40 antenna would give you a dozen HD channels or more, depending on where you lived. Cable and satellite were only starting to pick up then, but now a standard package includes 100+ HD channels.

Family of ours who came to visit in 2008 simply could not believe the picture on our 65" 1080p DLP (for which we paid a fraction of the 42" 1368x768 "big screen" LCD they had just bought back home, and no HD content to play on it).

US was behind in TV quality for many years (NTSC=Never Twice the Same Color, lower resolution). But HD changed it all. It was hard on the broadcasters, but a giant leap in quality that would never have happened without legislation (let's save that discussion). And with 120 and 240 Hz TVs, the judder problems are taken care of too.

Edit: Oh, and that's also why our DVD collection has gone largely unwatched since we came here. We simply haven't watched SD content for several years now.

@Lebowski:

The US players don't even have a PAL/NTSC setting, so even if my TV supported it, I couldn't test the 50-60Hz flicker you report during 24p playback pausing.

BUT, I understood from your earlier post that it was during Pause, not after Stop that this happens. My player DOES switch to 60Hz when I hit Stop, but remains in 24p mode when I hit Pause.

Regarding the whole DVD, 24p, judder thing, please see my response to F.Ultra above.

The only explanation I can think of why there would be artifacts in 24p (judder or otherwise) is if your projector just duplicates the frames, while the Panny (and your PS3) does some more sophisticated frame interpolation when they do pulldown. Complete speculation, but all I can think of.

As a test, try and experiment with the Chroma Process setting and see if that affects it. I prefer mine on advanced. (I'll be getting and earful now from some members for even suggesting that )

Yep I keep Chroma off

Press the Status button twice to bring up the time screen and FF to the spot. The Skip does go directly to next/previous chapter so you would want to use this, but it's a PITA when there''s 50+ chapters to skip. Multiple presses of the FF will get the unit to play frames 1x1 up and up.

Thanks for the link...


Yesterday I tried MultiAVCHD 4.1
It has an output option for panasonic bluray players.
I find it very strange that the output does not work with the bdt110.

Maybe there is some sort of setting I have to turn on (on the 110) to get this usb or DVD recording to work, or is it supposed to work right out of the box? ??? ?? ?

The MultiAVCHD process did produce a few warnings/errors but eventually finished and reported the job complete.
The input file is a MOV, generated by a drift HD camera. I do not wish to translate to a TS file or compress to an MPEG before generating a 1920x1080 HD, so I will try MKVmerge with the recipe you provided.

If this does not work I will start to spit and curse, see if I don't!

Thanks

I also tried MultiAVCHD last year (before I got MKVmerge going) and I never could get it to produce Panny-compatible output - even with Panasonic settings. Too bad, it's a sophisticated tool.

Certainly you don't want to convert to MPEG first. But I've never done a MOV in MKVmerge. You'll just have to try. The steps are the same, regardless of your input file.

I had a hunch that US players do not even have that setting. If I recall correctly it was the same thing with their DVD-players in the past.
I'm pretty sure this PAL selection I made, is the reason why player when it is powered up start in 1080/50p mode.


I'm sorry for being vague but I meant Stop button all the time. Pause work just fine and stays in the 24p mode or what ever the input refresh rate of the movie is in that point.

My assumption is that logically this player when set in PAL mode should revert back to 1080/50p when it is stopped. Now it seems to be 50 or 60. Lately it has been reverting to 60p.


Yeah, I'm not touching that subject. I just say that I only accept 24p output from blu-ray unless disc is mastered to some other refresh rate (at least here in europe there are some 50i blu-ray's).


There must be some slight difference how these two decode but I find it hard to believe that either of them would do any frame interpolation for 24p source. Both scored so well in blu-ray tests I don't think they could have received so high score if they did something so fundamentally wrong (frame interpolate 24p source when outputting it 24p).

This is only speculation but only thing that comes to my mind now is that do 110 and 210 decode the same way or is there after all something different between these two?


I could try that but I would not use it because it ruins gamut.
Still I find it difficult to understand why 210 has scored so high in tests if there would be problems with motion unless advanced chroma process was enabled.

I need to keep more eye on this problem. Like I said it is even difficult to explain and it is not something very obvious but it definitely got my attention. I cannot remember ever seeing this with PS3 but I will definitely change the same scenes with it if I get another PS3 or reflow my current one back to life.

Sorry if my question has been answered before but the thread is so big and I can't find a solid solution anywhere. I have a UK BDT110 which Panasonic state that it plays MKV. Now I have tried playing MKV containers with AVC/H264 Video within the container but it does not play the files by either the USB or over network. Mezzmo can play but reduces the quality so much it really defeats the whole concept of HD. If it does not play MKV, then how can Panasonic state that it does? The box states that it play AVCHD and that is exactly what is inside the MKV container yet it won't play natively from the USB or network drive. Can someone please explain to me how I can play my MKV's from the Fat32 USB or network without using servers which will transcode and reduce quality of playback. It should play natively. I am so disappointed with this player and now wish that I had bought a Pioneer player as my mates Pioneer plays everything natively. The amount of good reviews is what persuaded me to buying this but this player is totally useless because it doesn't seem to play anything other than Blu-Ray disc or DVD disc.

Sorry Gizmo, but I have no sympathy for you. I've personally posted at least 20 times in this thread alone, starting over a year ago, warning people not to buy these players for file streaming. They are extremely limited in that regard. It's been posted many, many times. But people continue to ignore this fact and expect these players to do what they were never designed to do. So I'll say it one more time for the sake of others:

DO NOT BUY PANASONIC FOR FILE PLAYBACK!

Thank you and I appreciate your comment. I wish I had looked in Forums before I had purchased this toilet as I looked up the specs on the Panasonic and seen reviews both professional and by users who rated the player well even for file playback. One of the professional reviews went as far as you can chuck any file on it and it will play it. So basically from what I can understand now is that there is no solution. Really regret not going for the Pioneer. I went for this because supposedly it had the two things on it that I wanted, AVCHD and MKV. What a load of rubbish. Panasonic never again, you have deceived buyers. I will now do the morally correct thing and repeat:

DO NOT BUY PANASONIC FOR FILE PLAYBACK!

I understand your frustration. And it is true as mdavej says, that these Pannys are not a good choice if you're looking for a file player.

But since you own the player now, let's focus on what it CAN do. For every warning that mdavej has posted about file playback, I have posted guides on what DOES work -- in my experience, anyway. That doesn't change the validity of mdavej's warnings.

The fact is that these Pannys CAN play files quite well, once you understand their limitations and know how to make compatible files.

First, check the answers I posted to andrewpugh over the last week. Particularly the link I posted yesterday.

Another relevant link is this

These links refer to posts that were part of an extensive discussion in Nov-Dec last year of different ways to make compatible MKV files. Before that, consensus here was that MKV playback simply didn't work at all on these players.

If you are serious about this, you really want to scan through the relevant posts from that period. And possibly later posts a well, since new posters join almost weekly with the same questions, and some of them end up posting great information.

You sound like you understand the concepts quite well already, and I think going through these posts will be a faster study for you than it may appear at first, just based on the number of posts.

But do expect that it will take some effort to get this working. Once there, it's not so bad making new files. The easier way is to just buy another device that is more flexible about file support.

Let us know how it goes.

Thank you so much. Have tried MKVMerge option already but no luck. That's how I knew the file in the MKV container was AVC1. Will look at the link and keep posted of progress.

You need to disable Header Removal optimization in MKVmerge options, otherwise it won't play at all. Even then, the video track may not be to your Pannys liking. If that turns out to be the case, you'll have to re-encode. Both are covered in those linked posts -- though re-encoding requires some more studies.

Im stumped. I have a 210 in the living room and a 310 downstairs in the theatre. The 210 recognizes the music and video on the USB drive, but the 310 just says ' No USB Inserted'. The light on the USB drive comes on though. Any thoughts ?

Have now done this and looks like progress. The video now displays but almost immediately freezes. The fact that is does display is a good sign right? I mean it cannot be an issue with the file inside the container rather has to be something to do with the container? I have drive it both through network drive and an ExFat Formatted HDD and it is the same on both; displays and just freezes. Any help or pointers much appreciated.

Yea that just shows u the time of the episode your at while u skip scenes, I am talking about being able to go from, for ex. Being on episode one of a show, and skipping to halfway through episode 5 by inputting a specific time on the player and it skips right to that part of the disc, I was able to do this on my old cheap magnavox blu ray player.

I like this feature because I rent from Netflix an blockbuster and not everyone takes care of the discs when they have them so when I get a damaged disc it doesn't always work when u try to fast foward through a distorted part of the disc because it's scratched so being able to input the specific time of the part u want to go to u can sometimes get it to work with only missing a little of the movie/show as opposed to having to use the ff/rw and skip buttons, cuz it don't always work and u end up missing a lot sometimes, but also because it's convenient to be able to skip to certain scenes on shows/movies that don't have scene selection.

I wish that this player had the feature you are looking for, but, sorry, it does not.

OK, am on the road so can't play with it, but have just seen that there is an iPhone app that controls my BDT210. There appear to be two apps in the Apple App Store, one that looks like it is 2012 models only? That one, however, appears to have more features/functions than the 2011 version.

Has anyone gotten the newer version of the iPhone app to work with the BDT210?

Thanks in advance.

Well, I have been trying to use the MLB.TV app on my 110 but all it is giving me is "this game will begin shortly" for every game. Dummy, the games have already started! This is the first time I have tried to use MLB.TV on my 110. Complete fail. Why can't these dummies make a freaking blu-ray player do what it is supposed to do? Is this so hard? Freaking frustrating. Not to mention that the player has locked up twice in the MLB.TV app. Unbelievable.

Edit: locked up again. And still all games coming up "this game will begin shortly". What a joke. We pay good money for these players and they are not functional. Well, at least I only paid $60 for it. And THAT was too much!