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post #7981 of 8460
Greetings. I bought the 210 a few months ago and still can't get a great picture. Detail is fine, but the picture seems lighter no matter how dark I put my settings at in the player. I tried using different HDMI cables (running through a Pioneer Elite receiver) with no change. I don't think it's the receiver as everything else running through it has fine PQ. The 210 doesn't have deep blacks - the blacks seem too light. Anyone else having this issue? My older Sony BD-S350 had deeper blacks....
post #7982 of 8460
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Originally Posted by Puckjunkie67 View Post

Greetings. .... The 210 doesn't have deep blacks - the blacks seem too light. Anyone else having this issue? My older Sony BD-S350 had deeper blacks....

My suspicion is that you've got your levels set on the 210 wrong so that your TV and 210 aren't communicating properly. Look for the method to set the RBG range on the 210 - it is probably set to full and it should be set to limited. The key is to make sure both the TV and your 210 are using the same levels for black and white.

The situation is pretty well described as:
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"Black and white levels for video components shall be either “Full Range” or “Limited Range.” YCbCr components shall always be Limited Range while RGB components may be either Full Range or Limited Range. While using RGB, Limited Range shall be used for all video formats defined in CEA-861-D, with the exception of VGA (640x480) format, which requires Full Range...

When you play that back on a system set to 16-235, you get all the information as it was intended with no gaps. If you mismatch and play back with RGB (0-255) settings, you'll clip off the black and white levels and black will look "dark gray"..."
[for more info:http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/calibrate-your-system/hdmi-black-levels-xvycc-rgb]
post #7983 of 8460
Many thanks for the quick response Hyrax - I'll tweak the RGB settings and see if it helps.
post #7984 of 8460
I've got both the 210 and the Sony 350 in my system and with Blu-rays they look identical with default settings...so I have no idea why your 210 is showing lighter blacks.
post #7985 of 8460
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Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post

I've got both the 210 and the Sony 350 in my system and with Blu-rays they look identical with default settings...so I have no idea why your 210 is showing lighter blacks.

Thanks - good to know. I'll start by testing the 210 directly into the TV instead of the receiver. If the black levels improve, then I know it's due to the bypass via the receiver. Either way, I'll play around with the RGB settings as suggested earlier. I'm just hoping to get at least as good a picture with the 210 as I had with the Sony S350. I've never had any issues with any other device running through the Elite so I'm baffled. Even the PQ on a cheap Seiki blu ray player (which I bought as it plays all DVDs and BDs regardless of region coding) looks really good via the receiver - much better colors and blacks than the 210 - which makes no sense.....
post #7986 of 8460
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Originally Posted by Puckjunkie67 View Post

Thanks - good to know. I'll start by testing the 210 directly into the TV instead of the receiver. If the black levels improve, then I know it's due to the bypass via the receiver. Either way, I'll play around with the RGB settings as suggested earlier. I'm just hoping to get at least as good a picture with the 210 as I had with the Sony S350. I've never had any issues with any other device running through the Elite so I'm baffled. Even the PQ on a cheap Seiki blu ray player (which I bought as it plays all DVDs and BDs regardless of region coding) looks really good via the receiver - much better colors and blacks than the 210 - which makes no sense.....

A little late to the party here but I have a 210 and the pq is great. However, I don't do any video processing at all with the 210 because the tv is calibrated and it doesn't make sense to me to alter the video signal and then send it to the tv.
post #7987 of 8460
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post

A little late to the party here but I have a 210 and the pq is great. However, I don't do any video processing at all with the 210 because the tv is calibrated and it doesn't make sense to me to alter the video signal and then send it to the tv.

I'll keep playing around with the 210's video settings, but I've narrowed down the issue. I had the 210's Display setting on 'Auto', but when I switched it to 1080i or 720p, I'm getting a much better picture (I have a 5 1/2 year old Panasonic 50" 720p/1080i plasma and have not upgraded as it's calibrated nicely and still works great, so I can't justify spending more $$ on a 1080p at the moment as long as it still looks good). I set the 210 HDMI to RGB and now I just have to tweak the contrast and brightness levels on the 210. But as you suggest, I'll try putting the 210 video levels to 0 and turn off the extra features like higher resolution etc. and let the TV do the work. But I'm already getting a much better PQ than before - it no longer looks washed out and blacks/colors are much better.
Edited by Puckjunkie67 - 7/24/12 at 4:08am
post #7988 of 8460
Dear folks, after endless hours navigating the on-screen menus in futility, I have sadly accepted the fact that my DMP-BDT210 will never connect wirelessly to anything confused.gif, but does anyone know how to make the blasted blue "CALL" light stop blinking? It's like a 20th Century VCR: "12:00" over and over again -- how annoying! Thanks in advance!!
post #7989 of 8460
Anyone else notice that the latest firmware broke some things on the BDT210 using Optical Audio?

DVD w/ 5.1 Surround (DD) used to output multi-channel to Sony DA7ES. Now only get 2 channel (this is a Dexter DVD that worked multi-channel until firmware upgrade)
but
put in a Weed DVD w/5.1 DD EX audio and it properly outputs multi-channel.

Is it possible the firmware reset / changed the setup and that might be the issue?

thanks,
post #7990 of 8460

I get stuck in connecting facebookk to my TV

I have tried to connect the facebook icon of my DMP-BDT110 to my Sony TV and I get stuck.

On my facebbok page on the TV supplied by the DMP-BDT110 it gives me a password which I then put in at facebook.com/device.

So far,so good. On the TV a page comes up with a small icon with my facebook ID picture in the appears right of the screen but the rest of the page is again is another sign in.

It said the red button is to delete so I pressed the blue one and it told me that my sign in from yesterday is no longer valid.

What happened?

....Ott
post #7991 of 8460
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Originally Posted by lsu1981 View Post

Anyone else notice that the latest firmware broke some things on the BDT210 using Optical Audio?
DVD w/ 5.1 Surround (DD) used to output multi-channel to Sony DA7ES. Now only get 2 channel (this is a Dexter DVD that worked multi-channel until firmware upgrade)
but
put in a Weed DVD w/5.1 DD EX audio and it properly outputs multi-channel.
Is it possible the firmware reset / changed the setup and that might be the issue?
thanks,

I don't see this with 1.88 - I just popped in Metropolis (anime movie) which has both DD 5.1 and DTS tracks and both play in surround on my system over optical.
Edited by sbsidlov - 7/27/12 at 7:56am
post #7992 of 8460
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

The release notes say:
  • Stability and functionality of VIERA Connect™ Apps
  • Playability of Blu-ray Disc™
Someone should check for Netflix "black flash", 1080p Netflix video, 5.1 sound in Amazon, 3D titles in VUDU. I should probably dig my 110 up--1080p video is difficult to check for and I can.
I'm sure that there are those who'll want to know of this firmware rev "infects" rolleyes.gif the player with Cinavia. I cannot test for that.

FWIW, Netflix black flashes seem to be more related to the network/server/isp combo.

Anyway, would a HD 5.1 video show up on the Netflix list if it couldn't play it? Metropolis Restored is listed as HD and 5.1 and it shows up on the 210's Netflix. The problem with the Panny is that it always upconverts to the tv so it's hard to determine what I'm actually watching, the tv always says 1080p.
post #7993 of 8460
I just had a problem playing my Disney WOW calibration BD. It was the first play since the firmware update, and it was unplayable. I have many hours with this disc before the update and never had an issue until today.mad.gif
post #7994 of 8460
So I loaded up Netflix last night on my 210 and was surprised by a new user interface! I was first prompted as to whether I wanted regular or "Just for Kids" Netflix. Choosing regular, I got a UI with different navigation; it looked a bit more like the Roku UI (from what I remember), though not quite as responsive. The instant queue was shown as the first row of titles, followed by the usual recently watched, top 10, etc. Navigation to titles was more efficient; rather than loading a completely new page, the various options (Rate this title, add to queue, etc.) and a screenshot were shown in a sort of pop-up pane. Overall, I thought this was quite an improved interface.

Did anyone else see this? I'm wondering if 1080p was added as well?
post #7995 of 8460
Also, I didn't notice any black flashes when watching last night, though I haven't tested nearly enough to be sure there's been an improvement here.
post #7996 of 8460
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Originally Posted by rakingleaves View Post

Also, I didn't notice any black flashes when watching last night, though I haven't tested nearly enough to be sure there's been an improvement here.

This is the same interface that I have on the WDLive player for the last few months. I really can't tell what is being shown when the movie is marked HD because there isn't a real selection. I have my acct set to 'best' and 5.1 as the default. I watched 15 minutes of Metropolis Restored before switching to the WDLive box for comparision, the WD still seems a bit sharper to me (but I'm willing to be corrected).

When Netflix first started, there were some flashes just as the logo and the bouncing network speed test came on, but I didn't notice any during the 15 minutes that I watched.


What I would have liked to see at some point is the same stuff for VUDU that the Sharp HDTV's have, VUDU apps with all the pandora, TED Talks, NBC, etc folding into Vudu so that it's more easily updated.
post #7997 of 8460
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Originally Posted by rakingleaves View Post

So I loaded up Netflix last night on my 210 and was surprised by a new user interface!
This is unrelated to the recent FW update. It's something Netflix did on its own.
post #7998 of 8460
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Originally Posted by sbsidlov View Post

I watched 15 minutes of Metropolis Restored before switching to the WDLive box for comparision, the WD still seems a bit sharper to me (but I'm willing to be corrected). .

Your WD Live TV can play the 1080p Netflix encodes, which the BDTx10s could not and probably still can't. I'll hook my 110 up and look at bandwidth consumption. I haven't seen this new UI but it's probably the same one on the PS3 and 2012 Panasonic and Sony BD players (Panny DMP-BDT220, -320, -500 and Sony BDP-S390, -590 and -790), TiVo Premiere and a ton of other device (Netflix has standardized on it--here are some pictures of it running on the PS3). I don't use my 110 anymore but its old UI was my favorite Netflix UI ever (Netflix codenamed it "Special") and the most powerful one that I've used, with a huge number of genres/sub-genres and the ability to display and browse up to 250 title thumbs in any genre list; sad to see it go. What may have been added is the Netflix "Just for Kids" alternative UI and search for people (actors, directors) in addition to keyword-in-title.

What Netflix can change without a firmware update is the user-interface; it loads that part every time you start it, like a web page. The player itself, the platform on which the UI runs, is the OEM's (Panasonic's) responsibility. It's like putting a spiffy new body on an old car's chassis. I'd be surprised if the black flash problem disappeared or if it's suddenly 1080p capable (as the 2012 models are).
Edited by michaeltscott - 7/27/12 at 9:20pm
post #7999 of 8460
Yep--it's the Netflix interface that I thought it was. It still has the flashes for me and my assumption is that it's still limited to the 720p encodes--although I was getting the 1080p encodes on my S390 a bit ago (like the PS3, it's player has an indicator of what encode you're watching), I'll wait for a time when the network and Netflix's servers are likely to be under lower demand before I measure the player's bandwidth consumption, which will tell me if it's playing 1080p or not.

It does have the features I was thinking of--the alternative "Just for Kids" UI (simplified, more colorful with access to only kid-friendly titles) and library search for people names as well as keyword-in-title.
post #8000 of 8460
I tested bandwidth consumption with the new Netflix UI and got results consistent with 720p. So, as I expected, no fixes or new functionality in the underlying Netflix player engine, still with black flashes, still no 1080p. There are the new features I described above and a better TV series episode browser that I neglected to mention (no more long lists of episodes labelled "Sxx:Eyy" where "xx" and "yy" are the season and episode number--you select a season and are presented with a list of episode titles for that season; select a title and see its full description).
post #8001 of 8460
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I tested bandwidth consumption with the new Netflix UI and got results consistent with 720p. So, as I expected, no fixes or new functionality in the underlying Netflix player engine, still with black flashes, still no 1080p.

Thanks so much for taking the time to test!
post #8002 of 8460
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I tested bandwidth consumption with the new Netflix UI and got results consistent with 720p. So, as I expected, no fixes or new functionality in the underlying Netflix player engine, still with black flashes, still no 1080p. ).

Thx.
post #8003 of 8460
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Originally Posted by sbsidlov View Post

Thx.

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Originally Posted by rakingleaves View Post

Thanks so much for taking the time to test!

De nada smile.gif.
post #8004 of 8460
Hi There.
I am trying to playback an AVCHD 2.0 disc on my DMP-BDT310.
I burnt it using PlayMemories Home.

As you can see below, the DMP-BDT310 has recognised the disc - it has even recognised that footage as 3D!



When I click on it to play, it only plays it back in 2D!

Any suggestions?

The .m2ts file was taken in 3D on the Sony HDR-TD10 and is DEFINITELY a 3D file on the disc - I even played the 3D .m2ts file that was burnt onto the disc on my computer and it plays in 3D.

Thanks.
post #8005 of 8460
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Originally Posted by josa98112 View Post

Any suggestions?
Yeah--buy a BDT220, BDT320 or BDT500. The BDTx10s have no declared support for AVCHD 3D whereas the 2012 models do (check the "Playable Media" table on page 6 of the manual as compared to the one in the manual for the 2012 models on page 5 of this).
Edited by michaeltscott - 8/2/12 at 4:06pm
post #8006 of 8460
Thanks. That was very useful.
I wonder why the BDT-310 recognises the video as 3D though!?
post #8007 of 8460
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Originally Posted by josa98112 View Post

Thanks. That was very useful.
I wonder why the BDT-310 recognises the video as 3D though!?

I'm actually kind of impressed that it recognizes the type and plays it as 2D biggrin.gif.
post #8008 of 8460
Are you aware of any way I can play my 3D m2ts files from my HDR-TD10 without having to convert them?
I want to be able to play them natively, ideally via USB stick and play them back in 3D.
I don't mind having to burn to AVCHD 3D disc or create an AVCHD 3D file sturcture on a USB stick.
It just really puzzles me that my 3D blu-ray player recognises the video as 3D but only plays it back in 2D.
This just seems stupid!
post #8009 of 8460
I'll defer these 3D technical questions to someone else--I don't have a 3D television or any interest in 3D video. I just wanted to note that the player doesn't claim to be able to play AVCHD 3D; I'd noticed that playback of them was new when the 2012 models came out.
post #8010 of 8460
I am having issues with signal drop out on my 310

Unwatchable at this point. The signal flickers on and off.

Any suggestions?

Hook up through HDMI.

I have switched cables and moved connection from AVR to the TV with no change in problem.
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