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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

Depends on what you want to do with it. If you want to do much Netflix or file streaming, you're better off keeping your PS3. Otherwise $50 isn't bad if it's in good condition and is to be used only for discs.

Well I don't really care for Netflix. I don't even have a PS Network account. I watch all my movies on Blu-ray/DVD cause I still think it's the best way to go. But hey call me antiquated. I have no issues with the PS3. Certainly does everything I need. But if I could get this guy to pay me the difference well I could certainly use the money. But I am curious if this Panasonic blu-ray player decodes HD audio or would I have to get a surround receiver? The PS3 seems to decode HD audio. Also does the Panasonic up convert standard DVDs very well compared to the PS3?
post #8072 of 8458
If you set it up right, it upconverts a lot better than sony, to my eyes anyway. I've always found sony to have pretty soft DVD PQ. And I haven't heard of any issues decoding HD audio. Pretty much every player does that these days.
post #8073 of 8458
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Originally Posted by Canuck31 View Post

Well I don't really care for Netflix. I don't even have a PS Network account. I watch all my movies on Blu-ray/DVD cause I still think it's the best way to go. But hey call me antiquated. I have no issues with the PS3. Certainly does everything I need. But if I could get this guy to pay me the difference well I could certainly use the money. But I am curious if this Panasonic blu-ray player decodes HD audio or would I have to get a surround receiver? The PS3 seems to decode HD audio. Also does the Panasonic up convert standard DVDs very well compared to the PS3?
Yes the 310 has internal decoders. If you're just running HDMI audio to your TV, any player will output 2 channel PCM to your TV. As far as DVD scaling, I've always found the PS3 to be soft. Panasonics scale DVDs quite well.

S~
post #8074 of 8458
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

Yes the 310 has internal decoders. If you're just running HDMI audio to your TV, any player will output 2 channel PCM to your TV. As far as DVD scaling, I've always found the PS3 to be soft. Panasonics scale DVDs quite well.
S~

Hmm interesting. So the 310 has HDMI 1.4? Right now I just have my PS3 HDMI going to my TV and outputting the audio from the TV to a Sony two speaker Mini System. I've watched standard DVDs on the PS3 (like the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air series on DVD) and it seemed to be decent. But maybe I'll make this guy an offer and see what he says.
post #8075 of 8458
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Originally Posted by Canuck31 View Post

Hmm interesting. So the 310 has HDMI 1.4? Right now I just have my PS3 HDMI going to my TV and outputting the audio from the TV to a Sony two speaker Mini System. I've watched standard DVDs on the PS3 (like the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air series on DVD) and it seemed to be decent. But maybe I'll make this guy an offer and see what he says.
1.4 is only needed for 3D and 4K. Yes the 310 can do 3D quite well.

S~
post #8076 of 8458
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

1.4 is only needed for 3D and 4K. Yes the 310 can do 3D quite well.
S~

Oh okay. I don't care for 3D. I think it's too gimmicky. I've read a number of reviews for this player and it seems the majority really like it.
post #8077 of 8458
I have a US 310. It does not give me Amazon as one of the video on demand options. I have everything else listed and i would really like to be able to use this for my Amazon Prime streamer in the living room.

It is currently connected to the internet via WiFi and a US based vpn (since I do not live in the US). At first it was connected to a Barbadian ip WiFi network (I live in Barbados) and I was wondering if that may have been the problem??? Could it have downloaded 'foreign' firmware updates that happen to not include Amazon? Incidentally the last 2 firmware updates have occurred while connected to the US ip WiFi yet still no Amazon frown.gif

Any ideas?

Do you guys think that firmwareinfo and their custom firmwares would remedy this?

Incidentally I have the same problem with my 2011 Panasonic VIERA TC-P50ST30 50-Inch. No Amazon there either, even with the latest update done over the US ip VPN.

My PS3 handles the Amazon hassle free over the same vpn.
post #8078 of 8458
Well, I figured I'd put this out there in case anyone else has the same issue.

RE: Panny 210 and Onkyo 609 receiver issues.

Every once in a while, the HDMI communication between the 609 and my Panny ST30 would drop out. Usually, unplugging the receiver for a minute would do the trick. Then it started happening again recently, only this time it didn't stop with the usual fixes.

At first, I blamed the HDMI cable (cmple high speed w ethernet 15ft) because I noticed that whenever I used the cheap Amazon Basics HDMI cable going from my 210 to the receiver, and connected it from the 609 to the TV, HDMI communication and ARC were restored. Ordered new cables, same problem.

Finally, I realized that HDMI communication and ARC worked perfectly when my Panny 210 blu ray player was disconnected. So I then tried several different HDMI cables and using all 6 of the HDMI ports on the receiver and no matter what, if the 210 was connected, HDMI and ARC failed between the receiver and TV.

First, I tried turning off deep color. No dice. Finally, what did it was disabling VieraLink in the 210. HDMI communication and ARC have been working perfectly ever since (with Deep Color active on both the receiver and 210).

Since this thread is pretty big now, I'll post this as a "SOLVED" thread also for anybody who is looking for a solution. Can't believe my 210 is already almost 18 months old!
post #8079 of 8458
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Originally Posted by Cowboy X View Post

I have a US 310. It does not give me Amazon as one of the video on demand options. I have everything else listed and i would really like to be able to use this for my Amazon Prime streamer in the living room.

It is currently connected to the internet via WiFi and a US based vpn (since I do not live in the US). At first it was connected to a Barbadian ip WiFi network (I live in Barbados) and I was wondering if that may have been the problem??? Could it have downloaded 'foreign' firmware updates that happen to not include Amazon? Incidentally the last 2 firmware updates have occurred while connected to the US ip WiFi yet still no Amazon frown.gif

Any ideas?

Do you guys think that firmwareinfo and their custom firmwares would remedy this?

Incidentally I have the same problem with my 2011 Panasonic VIERA TC-P50ST30 50-Inch. No Amazon there either, even with the latest update done over the US ip VPN.

My PS3 handles the Amazon hassle free over the same vpn.

You could try manually downloading the NA firmware and updating via USB or SD card. Also, have you gone into the VieraMarket to see if Amazon is available?
post #8080 of 8458

SOLVED: Panny 210 and Onkyo TX-NR609 HDMI issues.

Well, I figured I'd put this out there in case anyone else has the same issue.

RE: Panny 210 and Onkyo 609 receiver issues.

Every once in a while, the HDMI communication between the 609 and my Panny ST30 would drop out. Usually, unplugging the receiver for a minute would do the trick. Then it started happening again recently, only this time it didn't stop with the usual fixes.

At first, I blamed the HDMI cable (cmple high speed w ethernet 15ft) because I noticed that whenever I disconnected the cheap Amazon Basics HDMI cable going from my Panny 210 BD player to the receiver, and connected it from the 609 to the TV, HDMI communication and ARC were restored. Ordered new cables, same problem.

Finally, I realized that HDMI communication and ARC worked perfectly when my Panny 210 blu ray player was disconnected from the receiver. So I then tried several different HDMI cables and using all 6 of the HDMI ports on the receiver and no matter what, if the 210 was connected, HDMI and ARC failed between the receiver and TV.

First, I tried turning off deep color. No dice. Finally, what did it was disabling VieraLink in the 210. HDMI communication and ARC between the Onkyo 609 and the Panny ST30 have been working perfectly ever since (with Deep Color active on both the receiver and 210). Only drawback is my ST30 remote won't control the 210 anymore, but the Onkyo remote does so it's not a big deal.
post #8081 of 8458
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

I posted the fact that it probably didn't work on US players many times in the past. Then, to my surprise, folks start posting in this very thread that the hack did indeed work, so I'm simply repeating it for the benefit of others. It's free to try, so I don't see the harm since no one has proven it either way.
Fair enough.
True. But wouldn't those same people be willing to buy an actual high quality region free player. What I don't understand is why people would want to continue sinking money into this obsolete, buggy player that requires hacks to work properly when a cheap secondary player or possibly a few free hacks might work just as well.


I've been looking into this or something along this line for our 210 model. There are a couple of Region B BR's (Germany and UK) I'd like to get but I don't really care on getting another BR, cheap or not, just to play them. This is from about two months back and wanted to follow-up on questioning it....good, bad, works or what? I don't have a Refion B BR laying around but if the prospect of this actually working then I'll try one. Thanks...

Kenny J
post #8082 of 8458
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Originally Posted by mfrey0118 View Post

You could try manually downloading the NA firmware and updating via USB or SD card. Also, have you gone into the VieraMarket to see if Amazon is available?

The Viera market does not show it. I downloaded the NA firmware yesterday. But in theory it 'should' have installed it via an automatic update over my 'US' WiFi. I hope it it allows the manual update as the update is the same version number.
post #8083 of 8458
Got this player yesterday and wanted to share the prons and cons that I encountered so far. Needed a Cinavia free Player, unlike my Sony BDP S590.

Pros:
- Plays Blu Rays perfectly. Had an issue in the beginning with audio/video dropouts with 3D Blu Rays, but it turned out to be some kind of bandwith overload between the player and my receiver that was solved by switching off Deep Color and Viera HDMI link.
- 3D is good, but when you use the manual 3D settings for distance, depth becomes incredible. When I do the same thing with the according option in the Sony, depth barely changes.
- Netflix seems to play just fine, haven't had time to test the rest of the streaming applications.
- Most importantly it is Cinavia free. I'd like to be able to make copies of my own 3D Blu Rays.

Cons:
- Almost no USB HDD compatibility. Tried my 2 USB NTSF formatted HDDs that worked just fine with the Sony and the LG I had before and they were incompatible with the Panasonic. One of them is self powered and the other is USB powered.
- So far didn't play the MKVs that I'm streaming with a DLNA server but maybe I'm doing something wrong.

I'd use the Panasonic for playing Blu Rays, especially 3D, but for the rest I'll stick with the Sony.
post #8084 of 8458
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Originally Posted by S t i n g e r View Post

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- Almost no USB HDD compatibility. Tried my 2 USB NTSF formatted HDDs that worked just fine with the Sony and the LG I had before and they were incompatible with the Panasonic. One of them is self powered and the other is USB powered. ....

The 110-210-310 players have never been NTFS compatible. This year's versions (eg 220-320) can handle NTFS.
post #8085 of 8458
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Originally Posted by S t i n g e r View Post

Got this player yesterday and wanted to share the prons and cons that I encountered so far. Needed a Cinavia free Player, unlike my Sony BDP S590.
Pros:
- Plays Blu Rays perfectly. Had an issue in the beginning with audio/video dropouts with 3D Blu Rays, but it turned out to be some kind of bandwith overload between the player and my receiver that was solved by switching off Deep Color and Viera HDMI link.
- 3D is good, but when you use the manual 3D settings for distance, depth becomes incredible. When I do the same thing with the according option in the Sony, depth barely changes.
- Netflix seems to play just fine, haven't had time to test the rest of the streaming applications.
- Most importantly it is Cinavia free. I'd like to be able to make copies of my own 3D Blu Rays.
Cons:
- Almost no USB HDD compatibility. Tried my 2 USB NTSF formatted HDDs that worked just fine with the Sony and the LG I had before and they were incompatible with the Panasonic. One of them is self powered and the other is USB powered.
- So far didn't play the MKVs that I'm streaming with a DLNA server but maybe I'm doing something wrong.
I'd use the Panasonic for playing Blu Rays, especially 3D, but for the rest I'll stick with the Sony.

How do you find image quality and disc loading speed (and speed overral. Results I've seen on different reviews show that Sony is a lot slower) compared between Sony and Panasonic? I have an BDT110 also but I'm looking for replacement for my PS3 for everyday critical viewing tasks.
How DVD upscaling compares between the two?
post #8086 of 8458
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Originally Posted by Big Lebowski View Post

How do you find image quality and disc loading speed (and speed overral. Results I've seen on different reviews show that Sony is a lot slower) compared between Sony and Panasonic? I have an BDT110 also but I'm looking for replacement for my PS3 for everyday critical viewing tasks.
How DVD upscaling compares between the two?

Image quality is nearly identical, don't see perceivable difference between the speed of the Sony and the Panasonic. Disc loading times are nearly the same, the Sony powers up a little slower. I think that Panasonic's DVD upscaling is a just a liiiittle better. For everything besides Blu Ray/DVD playback the Sony does much better. Plays almost any file I throw at it, recognizes NTFS drives without a problem. Actually there is one problem - if your USB drive has more than one partitions the Sony does not let you choose which one to open. DLNA support is also much better than the Panasonic.
post #8087 of 8458
I have an MKV on my laptop that I'm trying to play on my 110. The file is too big for a FAT32 USB drive. I set up DLNA from my laptop to the player and I'm able to view pictures and play mp3s, but the MKV doesn't show up. Any ideas?
post #8088 of 8458
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Originally Posted by brigand View Post

I have an MKV on my laptop that I'm trying to play on my 110. The file is too big for a FAT32 USB drive. I set up DLNA from my laptop to the player and I'm able to view pictures and play mp3s, but the MKV doesn't show up. Any ideas?

Regular windows dlna doesn't support it. You have to get an add-on package, search the thread, I can't remember the name.of it. Network share should work though if there aren't too many folders and files in the directory.
post #8089 of 8458
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Originally Posted by sbsidlov View Post

Regular windows dlna doesn't support it. You have to get an add-on package, search the thread, I can't remember the name.of it. Network share should work though if there aren't too many folders and files in the directory.

Well, I set up a shared folder on my laptop and turned on Network Drive on the player. In the player menu, I tried adding a network drive, entering my laptop's IP address and the path of the shared folder (\\BRIGANDPC\Users\brigand\Desktop\brigandshared, but it says it can't connect. There are 10 items in that folder, a mix of mp3s, jpgs, wmvs, and the MKV.

I tried searching the thread for "add-on package" but nothing is coming up.
post #8090 of 8458
Well, I finally got it to connect through Network Drive (without using any add-on package or anything). I'm able to view jpgs and play mp3s. The MKV I'm trying to play shows up in the video list. When I select it, it says "starting playback," but then I just get a black screen. If I hit "stop" it takes me back to the list with the MKV. The MKV is about 16GB- not sure if that makes a difference.
Edited by brigand - 9/14/12 at 4:29pm
post #8091 of 8458
Success! I stumbled across Brandenbourg's post re: disabling header removal compression using MKVmerge. I did that, and now it works.
post #8092 of 8458
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Originally Posted by S t i n g e r View Post

Image quality is nearly identical,

Nearly? Which one is better and how?
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don't see perceivable difference between the speed of the Sony and the Panasonic. Disc loading times are nearly the same, the Sony powers up a little slower.

That's good to hear. I don't mind slower power up since it will be connected to my projector and by the time it is up and running pretty much any player would be ready then.
I was wondering that based on reviews I saw, are stating that it will load discs considerably slower, some titles taking double the time compared to BDT210. I guess this does not apply to all discs if they seem nearly the same in real use. Is chapter skipping faster in Sony and does it display some OSD long time when you skip? I find my BDT110 a little slow and it is annoying how long it will display OSD every on every skip.
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I think that Panasonic's DVD upscaling is a just a liiiittle better.

Is it softer looking on Sony?
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For everything besides Blu Ray/DVD playback the Sony does much better.

Do you mean for blu-ray Sony is worse than Panasonic in you opinion or that they are the same?

Have you got any experience with PS3 blu-ray playing? I'm looking for replacement for my PS3 and I'm wondering if BDP-S590 or 490 would be equal to that.
Besides picture quality I'm concerned about how good title compatibility is on standalone players? With PS3 there has not been a single title that did not work. Sometimes I needed to perform firmware update but that was always already available. I don't know if standalone players have support for the latest titles as quickly? I guess PS3 has that advantage because most movie studios use it as a reference player.
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Originally Posted by Big Lebowski View Post

Nearly? Which one is better and how?

I think Sony's PQ is a little better in terms of more natural colors, while on the Panny look just a little oversaturated. This is with normal PQ settings on both players.
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I was wondering that based on reviews I saw, are stating that it will load discs considerably slower, some titles taking double the time compared to BDT210. I guess this does not apply to all discs if they seem nearly the same in real use. Is chapter skipping faster in Sony and does it display some OSD long time when you skip? I find my BDT110 a little slow and it is annoying how long it will display OSD every on every skip.

I found that in some 3D Blu Rays the Sony is faster because for some reason the Panny switches resolutions multiple times until it gets to the top menu. This can cause for a few seconds delay.

IMO the DVD upscaling on the Sony makes the picture look more smudged, especially on the edges of objects, while on the Panny looks crisper.
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Do you mean for blu-ray Sony is worse than Panasonic in you opinion or that they are the same?

I find them pretty much the same except that the Sony has Cinavia, and its 3D depth adjustments are almost useless.
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Have you got any experience with PS3 blu-ray playing? I'm looking for replacement for my PS3 and I'm wondering if BDP-S590 or 490 would be equal to that.
Besides picture quality I'm concerned about how good title compatibility is on standalone players? With PS3 there has not been a single title that did not work. Sometimes I needed to perform firmware update but that was always already available. I don't know if standalone players have support for the latest titles as quickly? I guess PS3 has that advantage because most movie studios use it as a reference player.

I never had a console, since I do my gaming on the PC and movie watching on stand alone players. I've read that although the PS3 has many advantages, it can't handle lossless HD audio in 3D, while this is not an issue on stand alone players.

EDIT: About the disc loading times - just felt like watching Terminator 2 Blu. It took minutes on the Panny to go past the second screen, while on the Sony it takes just a few secs.
Edited by S t i n g e r - 9/15/12 at 3:12pm
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Originally Posted by S t i n g e r View Post

I found that in some 3D Blu Rays the Sony is faster because for some reason the Panny switches resolutions multiple times until it gets to the top menu. This can cause for a few seconds delay.

What resolution/refresh rate Sony output on home screen? I find also annoying that Panasonic changes resolution many times when starting discs but it always output what's on the disc it is playing, just like the PS3 does also. If 590 does not do that I guess it must something differently (like convert refresh rate).

Is chapter skipping faster in Sony and does it display some OSD message for long time when you skip? I find my BDT110 a little slow and it is annoying how long it will display OSD every on every skip.
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I never had a console, since I do my gaming on the PC and movie watching on stand alone players. I've read that although the PS3 has many advantages, it can't handle lossless HD audio in 3D, while this is not an issue on stand alone players.

I don't play games with my PS3, never even tried so it has been only for playing blu-ray discs and occasionally DVD's. That's why I'm still hesitating to purchase another PS3 even it is still excellent blu-ray player. Even new slim model still puts out much more heat than standalone players and I don't like that because it tend to cause other devices near it to heat up too.

As far as I know the PS3 even output lossless DTS HD MA in 3D with latest firmwares so it should not lack much features compared to standalone player (except no Dolby TrueHD in 3D, at least not yet). What makes PS3 excellent is that it keeps getting new features year after year. With standalone players I cannot remember I've been getting any new features ever, they just want to sell you new model.
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EDIT: About the disc loading times - just felt like watching Terminator 2 Blu. It took minutes on the Panny to go past the second screen, while on the Sony it takes just a few secs.

It start to sound like it is more about which player has better firmware support for certain title rather than raw processing power. I looked at reviews comparing the two model and with limited discs mentioned Panasonic was always much faster but I guess that only applies to certain discs or maybe certain type of discs. I saw some mentioned BD Java was slow in Sony but then again BD Live was slow on Panasonic. How about titles with very simple menus, which is faster or are the the same (I think this way we could compare which one has faster drive)?

I just saw BDP-S490 in flesh yesterday in one store. It feels extremely flimsy. I though that BDT110 was very flimsy when I got one but now that I've seen Sony I'd say Panasonic is very solid compared to that.
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What Sony are we talking about here? Are you comparing the S590, this year's Sony 3D BD player, to last year's Panasonics?

I did a comparison of disc loading times for the Panasonic BDT220 and the Sony S390 and the 220 was always faster loading the discs that I tried (I don't have a 3D TV so none of them were 3D). It was always faster by at least a little and often quite significantly faster for those few discs. One of them was definitely T2 and I'm pretty sure it was one of the "significantly faster" ones.

I still have a BDT110 from last year--I'll test it against the S390.
post #8096 of 8458
@Michael: Been a long time, I haven't been active here since the AVSforum system change (lost the mobile app).

Listen, if you're pulling out your trusty old Panny 110, could I persuade you to do a quick bandwidth check? I ask because lately the quality on some Netflix movies we watched was better than I remember seeing before, and I wondered if we were getting the 4800/1080p stream. Or maybe just coincidence and they were good transfers redface.gif

I know you checked it when the 1.88 firmware came out, but this is literally just the last few days. There hasn't been a new firmware, but I see no reason why a Netflix app update alone couldn't change this. After all the Vudu app has no problem doing 1080p.

If it's not to much trouble I would be most greatful. Thank you in advance smile.gif
Edited by Brandenborg - 9/16/12 at 11:26am
post #8097 of 8458
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Originally Posted by brigand View Post

Success! I stumbled across Brandenbourg's post re: disabling header removal compression using MKVmerge. I did that, and now it works.

That's great, brigand, thanks for the update. I am sorry I didn't see you original post, but good job finding that old post of mine.

I still use MKVmerge as described to re-mux my HD recordings, and it still works fine with my 110. Only problem is when there are frame or encoding errors in the stream, the Panny is very sensitive to those over Network Drive (it doesn't buffer enough). DLNA works better on those files since the DLNA server (Windows 7 in my case) only sends "clean" frames.
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Originally Posted by Brandenborg View Post

Listen, if you're pulling out your trusty old Panny 110, could I persuade you to do a quick bandwidth check? I ask because lately the quality on some Netflix movies we watched was better than I remember seeing before, and I wondered if we were getting the 4800/1080p stream. Or maybe just coincidence and they were good transfers redface.gif

If it's not to much trouble I would be most greatful.

I'll give it a run, with my typical minutes 5-14 of Ong Bak 2. Are there any particular titles that you think are sharper than before?
post #8099 of 8458
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I'll give it a run, with my typical minutes 5-14 of Ong Bak 2. Are there any particular titles that you think are sharper than before?

Thanks a lot smile.gif

I should check Ong Bak 2 as well, never tried that.

To be honest, this wasn't a thorough test on my part, more a case of being puzzled the last few days that Netflix looked surprisingly sharp and detailed. One example was Máncora, another was White Collar Season 3. But just checking White Collar again now, I wasn't impressed at all -- definitely just the 3600/720p stream. Maybe my eyes are getting older or maybe my neighbors are watching Netflix just now...

I hope it's not a lot of work for you, as I am probably wrong (I have been before redface.gif )
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Originally Posted by Brandenborg View Post

I hope it's not a lot of work for you, as I am probably wrong (I have been before redface.gif )

Not a lot of work; I start the router's bandwidth monitor up in a browser window, then switch to the device and start the movie running, setting a 14 minute countdown timer. When the time is up I take a snapshot of the bandwidth monitor which shows me a graph of the last 10 minutes, with totals and averages. Right now I don't seem to be able to get the bandwidth I should be getting from my cable service; I may reboot my cable modem and router to see what's up or just try later.
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