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Originally Posted by Thompsonbrook 
Can anyone please explain the repercussions of the new 1080i algorithm. Will it work with a 120Hz set or will it make the 5600 redundant?
Can anyone please explain the repercussions of the new 1080i algorithm. Will it work with a 120Hz set or will it make the 5600 redundant?
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Originally Posted by TheGoatLantern
I don't think anyone could explain it until we know what sets the firmware is being applied to. AFAIK nothing concrete has been reported yet, just wild speculation
I don't think anyone could explain it until we know what sets the firmware is being applied to. AFAIK nothing concrete has been reported yet, just wild speculation
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Originally Posted by alston80
Has anyone noticed 3d PQ improvement with the last firmware update? I noticed that directv 3d channels have much better quality. I have not noticed any quality difference with 3d blurays like Avatar.
Has anyone noticed 3d PQ improvement with the last firmware update? I noticed that directv 3d channels have much better quality. I have not noticed any quality difference with 3d blurays like Avatar.
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Originally Posted by bbsstuff
I found this explanation:
As per Flatpanelshd, LG has modified the algorithm for processing 3D on their Cinema 3D sets..
Before the Cinema 3D technology worked like this: During a time period of 1/200 seconds the TV showed 2 frames; 540 lines for the left eye and 540 lines for the right eye.
The new algorithm shows 4 frames instead of 2 during the 1/200 second time frame. It shows 1080i for the left eye and 1080i for the right eye.
When these are combined the two pictures create a 1080p picture according to LG. LG believes that this update improves picture quality on their Cinema 3D TVs to compete directly with the active 3D TVs such as 3D plasma TVs. You need to turn off TruMotion to utilize the new algorithm.
If this new logic indeed enables Passive 3D to match the Active 3D picture resolution, it could really be holding all the aces over Active.
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Doesn't say which models this applies to but if you have to have Trumotion off to use the algorithm would the fact that it is 120Hz or 240Hz matter ?
I found this explanation:
As per Flatpanelshd, LG has modified the algorithm for processing 3D on their Cinema 3D sets..
Before the Cinema 3D technology worked like this: During a time period of 1/200 seconds the TV showed 2 frames; 540 lines for the left eye and 540 lines for the right eye.
The new algorithm shows 4 frames instead of 2 during the 1/200 second time frame. It shows 1080i for the left eye and 1080i for the right eye.
When these are combined the two pictures create a 1080p picture according to LG. LG believes that this update improves picture quality on their Cinema 3D TVs to compete directly with the active 3D TVs such as 3D plasma TVs. You need to turn off TruMotion to utilize the new algorithm.
If this new logic indeed enables Passive 3D to match the Active 3D picture resolution, it could really be holding all the aces over Active.
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Doesn't say which models this applies to but if you have to have Trumotion off to use the algorithm would the fact that it is 120Hz or 240Hz matter ?
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Originally Posted by justsomeavdude
See post #182 over in the "LG Passive LW6500" thread in the 3D Displays Forum:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1321920&page=7
shingdaz provided a link to an excellent in-depth review of Passive 3D TVs where the reviewers were using a 120Hz LG 55LW5600 model with a pre-release version of the 1080i algorithm firmware. So yes, we know that it can work on 120Hz models (at very least, that particular model)....but we still don't know when/if it will be released for sure (or if it already has). Keep in mind that just because we know that it can work on 120Hz models doesn't necessarily mean that LG will definetly release it for ALL models, even though that has been implied. Things are always subject to change without notice (as we've seen with the 65" LW6500's refresh rate).
Also keep in mind that we won't really know if this new firmware will be anything too spectacular either until we have a way of knowing for certain that it's actually been released and then hearing people's reports on it. I've seen a 55LW5600 running the old firmware and thought it was pretty darn good 3D, so I really don't think it'd make all of LG's 120Hz sets "redundant" or bad if they didn't get the update...it'd still be a pretty sweet 3D experience, imo...perhaps slightly less sweet at worst.
Personally, I'd feel pretty confident buying a 120Hz model and thinking that I'd be getting the extra perk of the new 1080i firmware at some point down the road.
Who knows..maybe it's already been released...LG should give release notes with their updates. Some posters are saying that they think their 3D might have improved recently. And some are also saying that they think the 6500's 3D looks better than the 5600's...so maybe some extra processing or bells/whistles were added to the 6500 lineup or something...or maybe it's just wishful thinking...or maybe it's due to inconsistent viewing environments...or maybe that 240Hz refresh rate makes a difference. Too much speculation and variables for the moment. Not worth losing sleep over.
See post #182 over in the "LG Passive LW6500" thread in the 3D Displays Forum:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1321920&page=7
shingdaz provided a link to an excellent in-depth review of Passive 3D TVs where the reviewers were using a 120Hz LG 55LW5600 model with a pre-release version of the 1080i algorithm firmware. So yes, we know that it can work on 120Hz models (at very least, that particular model)....but we still don't know when/if it will be released for sure (or if it already has). Keep in mind that just because we know that it can work on 120Hz models doesn't necessarily mean that LG will definetly release it for ALL models, even though that has been implied. Things are always subject to change without notice (as we've seen with the 65" LW6500's refresh rate).
Also keep in mind that we won't really know if this new firmware will be anything too spectacular either until we have a way of knowing for certain that it's actually been released and then hearing people's reports on it. I've seen a 55LW5600 running the old firmware and thought it was pretty darn good 3D, so I really don't think it'd make all of LG's 120Hz sets "redundant" or bad if they didn't get the update...it'd still be a pretty sweet 3D experience, imo...perhaps slightly less sweet at worst.
Personally, I'd feel pretty confident buying a 120Hz model and thinking that I'd be getting the extra perk of the new 1080i firmware at some point down the road.Who knows..maybe it's already been released...LG should give release notes with their updates. Some posters are saying that they think their 3D might have improved recently. And some are also saying that they think the 6500's 3D looks better than the 5600's...so maybe some extra processing or bells/whistles were added to the 6500 lineup or something...or maybe it's just wishful thinking...or maybe it's due to inconsistent viewing environments...or maybe that 240Hz refresh rate makes a difference. Too much speculation and variables for the moment. Not worth losing sleep over.
I got a new update to my 5600 a few days ago, and I can see a definite improvement from the cable 3D (1080i or 720P) on Demand movies. Not as much difference from sitting back 12 feet, but as I get closer, the perception of the "interlaced" effect is virtually gone until less than an arms length away. The image looks more solid almost all the way up to the TV.
They also allowed allowed for more of the image to be smoother and possibly removed Just scan mode to clean up the edges of video that were not supposed to be seen. In the old method, you may have had 1/2 inch on each side that was set as the edge of each eyes viewpoint that would converge together, leaving blank space around the screen. Now, the image is adjusted more to the edge during 3D playback. Basically it looks like they went from Just scan to 16x9 mode while in 3D.
Overall, the image quality is looking VERY good, and I had to re-adjust my 3D video mode settings after the update, but there is a noticeable difference to me when viewing a lot closer.
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