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Quick question for those in the 5600 club...thinking about rejoining Netflix. Should I use the Netflix option on the 5600 or spring for a Roku 2? Or doesn't it matter?
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Originally Posted by abba1 View Post

Quick question for those in the 5600 club...thinking about rejoining Netflix. Should I use the Netflix option on the 5600 or spring for a Roku 2? Or doesn't it matter?


All I can say is that the 5600 presents a much better picture than via my Roku, which is the top of the line from the last generation. I just started comparing yesterday as that's when I got my receiver, but I've played a couple of films thus far. Both modes share the same calibration settings.

The downside is that I had more control over the Roku. The quick 7 second rewind I liked. But, I'm still on my learning curve with the 5600 and there may be a way to do these things that I'm unaware of yet.
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i use netflix and have the 5700 and i find the quality is good and it does have the resume feature and can ff frame by frame kinda cool.
post #6694 of 8097
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Originally Posted by owine View Post

Up until a couple weeks ago I had ESPN3D on Comcast and never experienced this issue

And were you watching through a Comcast box or TiVo? Or just getting the standard top/bottom image where you had to turn on 3D manually as I described?
post #6695 of 8097
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Originally Posted by jlove336 View Post

Do you own one? Can you say for certain that the 6500 has a matted screen just like the 5600?

I owned a 47LW6500 for 2 weeks, before returning it for something else. The screen is matte, exactly like the 47" 5600.

I thought I wanted a matte screen, but after comparing with my Sammy D6000 in our bedroom, I'm a glossy convert. I didn't realize how detrimental a matte screen could be to image quality until I compared them in home. I should have known, because I've tried matte screen protectors on my smart phone, and hated them (loss of contrast and clarity). With a matte screen on a tv, liquid will never look like liquid, and you miss realistic relections from shiny objects like cars, wet surfaces, eyeglasses, and even moist eyeballs. Worst of all, matte screens kill deep blacks, because they catch light, and spread it across their surface.

I will say, though, the wide viewing angles of the 6500 were impressive, and the 3D worked well. I wish the LG had worked out, for me. That one had near perfect screen uniformity.
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Originally Posted by grivad View Post


And were you watching through a Comcast box or TiVo? Or just getting the standard top/bottom image where you had to turn on 3D manually as I described?

Comcast HD DVR. I was just getting the top/bottom image and turning on 3D manually.
post #6697 of 8097
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Originally Posted by abba1 View Post

Quick question for those in the 5600 club...thinking about rejoining Netflix. Should I use the Netflix option on the 5600 or spring for a Roku 2? Or doesn't it matter?


My previous post was incorrect, sorry. I went back and checked and you can resume watching from where you left off with either. Also, as the quality of Netflix seems to vary at different times (I'm not sure why), I played the same scene on the Roku and through the LG back to back and, while I still liked the picture better via the 5600, it isn't night and day. As a matter of fact, I can't qualitatively say there is one, unless I was playing the two side by side on different sets.
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Originally Posted by Rooski View Post

I owned a 47LW6500 for 2 weeks, before returning it for something else. The screen is matte, exactly like the 47" 5600.

I thought I wanted a matte screen, but after comparing with my Sammy D6000 in our bedroom, I'm a glossy convert. I didn't realize how detrimental a matte screen could be to image quality until I compared them in home. I should have known, because I've tried matte screen protectors on my smart phone, and hated them (loss of contrast and clarity). With a matte screen on a tv, liquid will never look like liquid, and you miss realistic relections from shiny objects like cars, wet surfaces, eyeglasses, and even moist eyeballs. Worst of all, matte screens kill deep blacks, because they catch light, and spread it across their surface.

I will say, though, the wide viewing angles of the 6500 were impressive, and the 3D worked well. I wish the LG had worked out, for me. That one had near perfect screen uniformity.

Wow, I have just the opposite experience as you. I hate the glossy screens of plasma and Samsung LCD. BUT each to their own.
post #6699 of 8097
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Originally Posted by owine View Post

Comcast HD DVR. I was just getting the top/bottom image and turning on 3D manually.

That's what I thought -- I'm assuming the Comcast box adjusts/crops the image appropriately. Thanks anyway, but I need input from people that do have the issue.. people hearing about people that don't doesn't really help much

Has anyone had this issue with any top/bottom content?

Here's an example:

post #6700 of 8097
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Originally Posted by grivad View Post

I'm trying to watch ESPN 3D via a Ceton infiniTV. The ESPN 3D broadcast comes in split top/bottom which is fine, however when I turn on 3D and set it to top/bottom, the picture isn't aligned properly, almost as if the broadcast is not coming in perfectly split in the middle. That is, when 3D is on, the left (or right) image is slightly higher than the other, high enough that the pictures are clearly not aligned properly and causes some serious eyestrain as your eyes adjust to align the pictures themselves. I haven't found any way to adjust the TV's or channel's alignment.

SBS stuff works perfect, just top/bottom (particularly ESPN 3D) is off.

Anyone had a similar experience or have a solution?


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And were you watching through a Comcast box or TiVo? Or just getting the standard top/bottom image where you had to turn on 3D manually as I described?

Doesn't this TV have 3D Auto-Detect?

What version of the Ceton InfiniTV do you have, USB or PCIe?

Have you tried all other avenues as far as technical specifications with the infiniTV, making sure that you are within all required Specs to Run 3D through this Machine to the TV? I normally start with the simplest thing first and use a process of illimination to rule things out to come to a conclusion... not sure if this helps at all but lets try to figure it out.

EDIT (Addition):

This is from their website for enabling proper playback of 3D broadcasts through their systems... Once Again, not sure if this will help...

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Q: Does InfiniTV support 3D TV broadcasts?
A: Yes. All InfiniTV models support 3D TV broadcasts as long as you have a 3D graphics card like the NVIDIA® 3D Vision installed in your Media Center PC, you receive 3D broadcasts from your cable provider and have a 3D-capable TV display. Please note that you may have to manually enable 3D mode on your display to view 3D content.
post #6701 of 8097
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Originally Posted by ace_dew View Post

So the 5600/5700 is already capable of taking split screen games from my Wii and displaying them full screen simultaneously? Do I just need to use the top/bottom or left/right 2D-3D converting option to do this and then either modify some glasses or possibly buy these dual play glasses if that's all they are?

It did not work with the wii when I tried it. The 3d options were grayed out. I think they're only available with hdmi connections.
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Originally Posted by ace_dew View Post
So the 5600/5700 is already capable of taking split screen games from my Wii and displaying them full screen simultaneously? Do I just need to use the top/bottom or left/right 2D-3D converting option to do this and then either modify some glasses or possibly buy these dual play glasses if that's all they are?
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Originally Posted by indolent View Post

It did not work with the wii when I tried it. The 3d options were grayed out. I think they're only available with hdmi connections.

If you're interested in being able to use an HDMI connection for your Wii, I found this upscaler from VDIGI.com @ http://www.vdigi.com/index.php?page=...hk=1&Itemid=53 . I haven't used it for 3D split-screen but am very happy with it for regular gameplay on the Wii with my 5600. Ya it's $60 and I had my initial doubts that it'd work but to my pleasant surprise it worked like a charm and is well worth the price IMO.
post #6703 of 8097
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Originally Posted by VermithraxDagon View Post

Originally Posted by ace_dew View Post
So the 5600/5700 is already capable of taking split screen games from my Wii and displaying them full screen simultaneously? Do I just need to use the top/bottom or left/right 2D-3D converting option to do this and then either modify some glasses or possibly buy these dual play glasses if that's all they are?

If you're interested in being able to use an HDMI connection for your Wii, I found this upscaler from VDIGI.com @ http://www.vdigi.com/index.php?page=...hk=1&Itemid=53 . I haven't used it for 3D split-screen but am very happy with it for regular gameplay on the Wii with my 5600. Ya it's $60 and I had my initial doubts that it'd work but to my pleasant surprise it worked like a charm and is well worth the price IMO.

NICE Find!

can you post some Before and After Pic of the Screen in any Games that have noticeable difference in Quality?
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Originally Posted by VermithraxDagon View Post

Originally Posted by ace_dew View Post
So the 5600/5700 is already capable of taking split screen games from my Wii and displaying them full screen simultaneously? Do I just need to use the top/bottom or left/right 2D-3D converting option to do this and then either modify some glasses or possibly buy these dual play glasses if that's all they are?

If you're interested in being able to use an HDMI connection for your Wii, I found this upscaler from VDIGI.com @ http://www.vdigi.com/index.php?page=...hk=1&Itemid=53 . I haven't used it for 3D split-screen but am very happy with it for regular gameplay on the Wii with my 5600. Ya it's $60 and I had my initial doubts that it'd work but to my pleasant surprise it worked like a charm and is well worth the price IMO.



Could you check if 3D SBS/TOP-BOTTOM option is active, can be selected and splitscreen is working with this upscaler?
post #6705 of 8097
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Originally Posted by Mastiffman View Post

NICE Find!

can you post some Before and After Pic of the Screen in any Games that have noticeable difference in Quality?

Your best bet for more info on the VDIGI VD-W3 Wii HDMI Upscaler is in a review for the product @ http://www.wiinintendo.net/2010/04/2...cessor-review/ and http://kotaku.com/5505009/wii-upscal...igh-definition (among others), as well as an accompanying YouTube vid that shows some real-time split-screen comparisons @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQECCw_mOpA. Also try typing in "VD-W3" and "Wii upscaler" on YouTube & Google for more reviews & videos on the upscaler in action. Hope that helps. I'll have to try the 3D side-by-side and top-bottom split-screen and will get back to the forum when I can.
post #6706 of 8097
Picked up my 55lw5600 the other day from Best Buy

They had a nice deal going in addition to including the family glasses pack. I now have 10 potential 3D viewers! Though 3D is the worst part of this TV (my opinion later).

Have to thank everyone for the calibration settings and tweaks! My impression: CNET was very lifeless to me, though I imagine very accurate and probably preferred by cinematographers. The calibration provided on #2407 was better, but needed more "pop". I like vivid colorful images, though the default vivid setting was terrible. So I tweaked from there keeping backlight below 40, but will still play with them in an attempt to get more "pop". Will probably use Avatar to do this...

Coming from a Westinghouse LVM37w3 (don't recall exact model # and oddly enough about the same price I paid for my 5600 lol), this TV is great. Playing with the settings made blacks, viewing angles and uniformity very good. 2D image is fantastic!

3D however, is the obvious drawback to me. My wife finds it blurry, though I believe she is referring to cross-talk - she claims to see multiple images in 3D mode. I don't have quite the same issue. I do however, find the outside perimeter of the 3D image sort of unclear, as well as notice the obvious halving of resolution and resulting quality degradation. Just felt like I was watching 3D in SD. 3D Gaming was even worse. I tried GT5 and saw aliasing all over the place! Not enjoyable to me. Problem is, passive is what it is on this TV.

I do have access to a Sony family discount and may consider the 55nx720 if it's priced right. I'm hearing 2D is fantastic and blacks and uniformity are great. Plus, I imagine the 3D will get better with current active models as better/cheaper active glasses come out. Aside from price and heft of active glasses, I'd say active is the better tech for image quality in my experience. I want to watch 3D in HD!
post #6707 of 8097
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Originally Posted by JMSpeed View Post

3D however, is the obvious drawback to me. My wife finds it blurry, though I believe she is referring to cross-talk - she claims to see multiple images in 3D mode. I don't have quite the same issue. I do however, find the outside perimeter of the 3D image sort of unclear, as well as notice the obvious halving of resolution and resulting quality degradation. Just felt like I was watching 3D in SD. 3D Gaming was even worse. I tried GT5 and saw aliasing all over the place! Not enjoyable to me. Problem is, passive is what it is on this TV.

I have to ask - what are you using as your 3D source? I got my 5600 on Monday - and the Blu-ray 3D (through both a PS3 and a Panny 310) is just stunning. Watched mostly Disney fare - A Christmas Carol and Tangled were particularly impressive.
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Originally Posted by JMSpeed View Post

Picked up my 55lw5600 the other day from Best Buy

Do you mind if I asked what you paid for it at Best Buy? I had checked online last week and the price I think was $1,280 or around there, went monday with the intention of buying and the price had went up to $2,300!!! I ended up going home and ordering it from Newegg. I just checked the price at BB and its back down to $1,280, not sure why the price hike at the beginning of the week.
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Originally Posted by JE78 View Post

Do you mind if I asked what you paid for it at Best Buy? I had checked online last week and the price I think was $1,280 or around there, went monday with the intention of buying and the price had went up to $2,300!!! I ended up going home and ordering it from Newegg. I just checked the price at BB and its back down to $1,280, not sure why the price hike at the beginning of the week.

I had a similar situation, before I got mine I was tracking prices from Newegg , Amazon and Best Buy.

When I thought the price was right on Amazon I decided to check the others real quick before I pulled the trigger. Went back to Amazon after a few minutes and all of a sudden they were $1200.more and out of stock.

Gotta be kidding !

Back to BB and got it for $1348. delivered, set-up,tested.
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Originally Posted by COMPUTIAC View Post

I had a similar situation, before I got mine I was tracking prices from Newegg , Amazon and Best Buy.

When I thought the price was right on Amazon I decided to check the others real quick before I pulled the trigger. Went back to Amazon after a few minutes and all of a sudden they were $1200.more and out of stock.

Gotta be kidding !

Back to BB and got it for $1348. delivered, set-up,tested.

Weird, of course when I went to best buy and saw the price hike I did a triple check, thought maybe the price was for the 6500 but it wasn't. When I asked the sales guy why the $1,000 increase he told me its always been that price. I tried to inform him that when I checked the price friday of last week it was in the $1,200 range and he said thats impossible. It really threw me for a loop because of CES, I thought they would lower the prices not shoot them up a grand.
post #6711 of 8097
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Originally Posted by BigDad View Post

I have to ask - what are you using as your 3D source? I got my 5600 on Monday - and the Blu-ray 3D (through both a PS3 and a Panny 310) is just stunning. Watched mostly Disney fare - A Christmas Carol and Tangled were particularly impressive.

I used PS3 for the 3D game - GT5, and Youtube for 3D (I know... poor choice). I don't have any uncompressed 3D at the moment. Trying to find something to rent if I even can without going through Netflix. I'll try Redbox tonight. However, I was also sort of disappointed by the store model showing 3D, but figured it would be better at home once I calibrated it out of Torch mode - it's basically the same quality so far. Regardless, 3D gaming came from a proper source and was highly underwhelming. Now, I don't have time to game because I am prepping for the CPA. But I do like to! I'll have to try a proper source since you as well as many others, even in products reviews, rave about the 3D quality I'm hoping 3D cable is similar in quality to blurays if what everyone is saying turns out to be correct.

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Originally Posted by JE78 View Post

Do you mind if I asked what you paid for it at Best Buy? I had checked online last week and the price I think was $1,280 or around there, went monday with the intention of buying and the price had went up to $2,300!!! I ended up going home and ordering it from Newegg. I just checked the price at BB and its back down to $1,280, not sure why the price hike at the beginning of the week.

I believe the price was an online sale. When I went in to pick up the TV the same day I ordered it, the price in the store was not the sale price I checked out with online. Maybe 1,599 IIRC? Although BB did list the TV as a sale item that week in their ads - it was on sale down for MSRP lol, not $1280, which I paid before taxes.

Additionally, BB price matches their own sales for 60 days. So if you buy it high and it comes down, let them know!
post #6712 of 8097
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Originally Posted by mrjktcvs View Post

I had my unit professionally calibrated (ISF) by a guy that's been in the broadcasting biz for 4 decades. I sat there while he did it. He had a lot of positive things to say about this model. He had a negative experience trying to calibrate a Panny plasma the previous day -- the VT-30.


Aspect ratio: Just Scan
Energy Saving: Off
Picture Mode: Expert [1 or 2]
Backlight: 40
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 54
H Sharpness: 55
V Sharpness: 55
Color: 52
Tint: 0
TruMotion: Off
LED Local Dimming: High

--Expert control menu
Dynamic contrast: Off
Noise reduction: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Super Resolution: Off
Black level: Low
Real Cinema: On
Color Gamut: BT709
Edge Enhancer: Off
xvYCC: Auto [grayed out]
Expert Pattern: Off [grayed out]
Color Filter: Off

Color Temperature: Medium
Gamma: 1.9

Method: 2 Points
Pattern: Outer


Red Contrast: -13
Green Contrast: 11
Blue Contrast: -23
Red Brightness: -1
Green Brightness: 0
Blue Brightness and all others: 0

Really good Settings makes the picture clear and not pixaleted but its to dim for my taste.
post #6713 of 8097
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Originally Posted by Joshacdcfan1 View Post

Really good Settings makes the picture clear and not pixaleted but its to dim for my taste.

I liked the brightness with those settings, but it seemed to give everything a greenish hue.
post #6714 of 8097
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Originally Posted by Mastiffman View Post

Doesn't this TV have 3D Auto-Detect?

It does, as long as the signal sent tells the TV that it is a 3D signal.

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Originally Posted by Mastiffman View Post

What version of the Ceton InfiniTV do you have, USB or PCIe?

Have you tried all other avenues as far as technical specifications with the infiniTV, making sure that you are within all required Specs to Run 3D through this Machine to the TV? I normally start with the simplest thing first and use a process of illimination to rule things out to come to a conclusion... not sure if this helps at all but lets try to figure it out.

PCIe.. The infiniTV is working as expected, and the signal is coming in properly, however it seems that the TV is not aligning the images properly when top/bottom 3D is turned on..? If you look at the image I posted, the image is properly split in the middle but they're just not aligned properly. I'm not sure if this is due to the TV not being able to align the images properly, or because the incoming images are not aligned properly. If it were the latter, I'd expect everyone to have the same issue regardless of TV, so I'm inclined to think it's the former.

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EDIT (Addition):

This is from their website for enabling proper playback of 3D broadcasts through their systems... Once Again, not sure if this will help...

I do have a 3D capable video card connected via HDMI. I'll dig around Ceton's page and do some research in that context, however I'm not convinced it's an issue with the tuner since the signal is coming in just fine.
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Originally Posted by Joshacdcfan1 View Post

Really good Settings makes the picture clear and not pixaleted but its to dim for my taste.

It is to dim for my taste also. Anyone have a brighter setting?
post #6716 of 8097
Bought my 47lw5600 day after black friday. Got 10 glasses, and a bd670 blu ray player all brand new for 899.95 out the door at hh gregg.
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3D however, is the obvious drawback to me. My wife finds it blurry, though I believe she is referring to cross-talk - she claims to see multiple images in 3D mode. I don't have quite the same issue. I do however, find the outside perimeter of the 3D image sort of unclear, as well as notice the obvious halving of resolution and resulting quality degradation. Just felt like I was watching 3D in SD. 3D Gaming was even worse. I tried GT5 and saw aliasing all over the place! Not enjoyable to me. Problem is, passive is what it is on this TV.

must be scorce or setting as 3D on blu ray of any movie I have bought is as good or better than in the movies.
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Originally Posted by Maniac1 View Post

3D however, is the obvious drawback to me. My wife finds it blurry, though I believe she is referring to cross-talk - she claims to see multiple images in 3D mode. I don't have quite the same issue. I do however, find the outside perimeter of the 3D image sort of unclear, as well as notice the obvious halving of resolution and resulting quality degradation. Just felt like I was watching 3D in SD. 3D Gaming was even worse. I tried GT5 and saw aliasing all over the place! Not enjoyable to me. Problem is, passive is what it is on this TV.

must be scorce or setting as 3D on blu ray of any movie I have bought is as good or better than in the movies.

It's the scaling. 3D gaming is limited to 720p for most sources and displays. Reason being you can't do 1080p stereo images at 60 hz over hdmi yet. Movies work at 24 hz but that's too slow for games. So games all work @ 720p, and the flat panel displays are 1080p so they upscale and it looks ugly. Try 3D games like gt5 on a native 720p 3D display like a $650 DLP projector and it's smooth as silk.
post #6719 of 8097
Probably a really dumb question, but if I'm watching native 3D content, do I still need to enable 3D through my remote and choose the 2D > 3D option? I was watching the BCS Championship the other night and ESPN was stating it was available in 3D, but I couldn't figure out if I was watching it in "proper" 3D or not. I was simply tuned into ESPN HD and enabled 3D through the remote, after choosing 2D > 3D. In this case, was I supposed to tune to a different channel or something? I'm on Dish network.
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Originally Posted by da9lsintegra View Post

Bought my 47lw5600 day after black friday. Got 10 glasses, and a bd670 blu ray player all brand new for 899.95 out the door at hh gregg. Been looking at this thread and seen pictures of clouding. So i checked mine for it and wow i have a lot! when i first turn it on and during black screens. When putting local dimming on, its almost all completely gone. But i called LG warranty anyway,and sent them a picture of it. They are coming to replace the panel tomorrow under warranty! hopefully it fixes it.



I will have updated pictures when the panel is replaced!

But another question guys, Do you think it would be better to get an extended 3 year warranty from LG extended warranties for $80.97? or a Squaretrade 3 year care plan for $79.99. Im still within my 90 days, so im trying to decide. Pros and cons of each?

Wow no way! I've had my TV for about 3 weeks and I love it, but I'll admit, my panel looks VERY similar to yours. Meaning I have that clouding effect around some of the edges. It's very distracting when I watch movies at night (I like to watch movies in pitch black darkness). Did you simply initiate your contact with LG through their support page or did you have to call them? I was going to live with this problem since at first I didn't think it was AS BAD as some others I've seen in this thread, but if LG is willing to drive to my house and fix my panel then I'd love to take advantage of that. I didn't like the idea of boxing it up and sending it back to Amazon and being without a TV for a week, so that's why I had kind of lived with it for the last few weeks. Thanks!
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