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post #7471 of 8217
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Originally Posted by braves22 View Post

I would like to know myself...


I have a 47lw6500 and have been messing with settings for MONTHS and play a lot of Rock Band for XBox and MLB The Show for PS3 and can notice pretty bad lag...

For example my RB3 numbers right now are 91 video and 192 audio....I run my new slim 360 direct to the tv through HDMI...

I'm just at a loss of what to do...and it's really frustrating in games that are all timing related....


I have all on off settings set to off in video as well


HELP...someone!!

Same here, i even downloaded the update off the site, run my xbox to my TV through HDMI and have the input set to PC. Playing Battlefield 3 just looking around in game it has a very noticeable delay and you will always lose against a 1 on 1 gun fight because of this.

I'm a pretty serious gamer, so maybe im being very picky about this lag
post #7472 of 8217
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Originally Posted by Swampassjr View Post


I'm a pretty serious gamer, so maybe im being very picky about this lag

I don't see it as being picky...

I see it as not wanting to play like crap and play a game knowing I can't play it to my best abilities
post #7473 of 8217
Have you guys with lag issues made sure your various video settings are at or below the 50% mark? Settings, such as sharpness, have to add thickness to lines to make them appear sharper by reducing resolution and fine details. This is an analog filter that has to process the image and then display it, which can take some time. Local Dimming and some of the other video settings, including the color settings can add processing time too.
post #7474 of 8217
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Originally Posted by vegggas View Post

Have you guys with lag issues made sure your various video settings are at or below the 50% mark? Settings, such as sharpness, have to add thickness to lines to make them appear sharper by reducing resolution and fine details. This is an analog filter that has to process the image and then display it, which can take some time. Local Dimming and some of the other video settings, including the color settings can add processing time too.

The only thing I have at a higher level is Contrast at 85....

All the video settings I have set to OFF except black level which has no OFF and I have set to LOW...Gamma which also has no off I have set to STD

So I'm just not sure where to go
post #7475 of 8217
Just scan
Sharpness
Color
local dimming
color gamut
H & V size, position (THX)
Edge enhancer
Have you gone to http://tft.vanity.dk/inputlag.html with a computer cloned screen to see exact lag between a computer and the TV with the same signal?
I'll set mine up and take a few pics...
post #7476 of 8217
Really like the pq on the 47, but I have a question. Is there a "simple" zoom function, not cinema zoom, to keep the same aspect ratio? Many programs are now full letterbox on 4:3 non hd channels and on my Sony lcd I would just use the standard zoom to fill the screen without distortion. Maybe I am missing something on the cinema zoom adjustments.
post #7477 of 8217
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Originally Posted by vegggas View Post

Just scan
Sharpness
Color
local dimming
color gamut
H & V size, position (THX)
Edge enhancer
Have you gone to http://tft.vanity.dk/inputlag.html with a computer cloned screen to see exact lag between a computer and the TV with the same signal?
I'll set mine up and take a few pics...

What do you mean by computer cloned screen?

Also I do not have THX enabled as I don't have access to that menu like some others and I have local dimming and edge enhancer turned off and both sharpness and color set at 50 and it wouldn't allow me to use just scan as it was grayed out so I used by program...

Also, i noticed the RB calibration didn't change whether I had Game Mode on or off...and I thought that was strange as well.

If I could even cut the calibration numbers in half it'd be a good start


Thoughts?
post #7478 of 8217
Here are three snapshots from using my laptop browser pointed to http://tft.vanity.dk/inputlag.html connected to the TV as a cloned screen.
A typical 100ms lag time, an improved lag time of 70ms and an impressive 30ms lag time. My typical lag time was actually about 50ms.
This was achieved by using HDMI 3, (just randomly used this input), labeling it GAME (using the input button, then using green button to change the label to GAME) and using AV mode as GAME (Q.Menu -> AV Mode GAME.
I further reduced lag by adjusting the GAME settings to sharpness and color to 50 and all Advanced Controls to OFF, Gamut to standard, skin to 0, etc.
I'm not complaining about the 100ms (1/10th of a second) as that's faster than I can respond, but at anything below 70ms down to 40 or 30ms (3/100ths of a second) is as fast as the display could even show an image.
You can test your reaction time here at this website and get an average of 5 tries - http://www.mathsisfun.com/games/reaction-time.html
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post #7479 of 8217
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Originally Posted by braves22 View Post

What do you mean by computer cloned screen?
Thoughts?

Using a dual output from a laptop screen and HDMI out to the TV's HDMI input to see exactly the same thing on both screens at the same time (the timer) to accurately measure the lag time of the TV display compared to the original image. See my poor quality images in the post above.
post #7480 of 8217
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Originally Posted by vegggas View Post

Just scan
Sharpness
Color
local dimming
color gamut
H & V size, position (THX)
Edge enhancer
Have you gone to http://tft.vanity.dk/inputlag.html with a computer cloned screen to see exact lag between a computer and the TV with the same signal?
I'll set mine up and take a few pics...

Hi vegggas,

Thanks for your explanations for this input lag issues. I have a question though. When did you start using this tv? I never even knew sharpness had any effect on the input lag of the tv until you mentioned it but I've always set my sharpness to a low value so that may have been why I don't see much lag as others. Also, what is the color gamut, on my pc hdmi radeon output, I set it to RGB 4:4:4, is this the color gamut adjustment or is there another one in the tv menu? The other edge enhancer recall seeing but don't know where I saw this option either.

Also, have you tried testing your results with PC label on the input and leaving all the settings and defaults to standard and measuring your test again. I've always had better results when I changed the input to a pc label instead of game.

For the weblink for the input lag, I have a Samsung TL220 camera but I don't know what setting I need to set on the camera to take high speed shots so I get a blur of numbers when I take the pictures usually with this camera.
post #7481 of 8217
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Originally Posted by skyguy3d View Post

Hi vegggas,

Thanks for your explanations for this input lag issues. I have a question though. When did you start using this tv?

March 2011 - 1 year of use.

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Originally Posted by skyguy3d View Post

I never even knew sharpness had any effect on the input lag of the tv until you mentioned it but I've always set my sharpness to a low value so that may have been why I don't see much lag as others. Also, what is the color gamut, on my pc hdmi radeon output, I set it to RGB 4:4:4, is this the color gamut adjustment or is there another one in the tv menu? The other edge enhancer recall seeing but don't know where I saw this option either.

Once in GAME mode, go into the video setup, scroll down to Advanced Control and there are the other video options for color gamut, skin tone, etc.
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Originally Posted by skyguy3d View Post

Also, have you tried testing your results with PC label on the input and leaving all the settings and defaults to standard and measuring your test again. I've always had better results when I changed the input to a pc label instead of game.

For me, PC or GAME were the same, but I think (guess) PC is more for 1:1 RGB mapping and GAME is for better response time.
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Originally Posted by skyguy3d View Post

For the weblink for the input lag, I have a Samsung TL220 camera but I don't know what setting I need to set on the camera to take high speed shots so I get a blur of numbers when I take the pictures usually with this camera.

Don't know anything about your camera, but a quick search looks like its more of an Automatic style camera that doesn't let you make change any camera settings. You need two things - A higher ISO and a faster shutter speed, typically faster than 1/300th of a second to reduce blur and lock onto the numbers. There should be some various modes, outside of the typical "auto" or "P"rogram mode that will work. If you have a Sports mode, that might work, or a "S"hutter priority, where you can set and lock the shutter speed. If you can't get those types of settings figured out, try to fool it into thinking its a brighter scene by pressing the home button and bringing up the white screen and focusing on that part of the TV.
post #7482 of 8217
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Originally Posted by gjschaub View Post

Really like the pq on the 47, but I have a question. Is there a "simple" zoom function, not cinema zoom, to keep the same aspect ratio? Many programs are now full letterbox on 4:3 non hd channels and on my Sony lcd I would just use the standard zoom to fill the screen without distortion. Maybe I am missing something on the cinema zoom adjustments.

Your post was getting buried and I just noticed it. Cinema zoom works as a stretch mode at 480i and a regular zoom (4-way with adjustment) on content at and above 480p. If you are using a STB, set the output to 480p, 720p or 1080i/p.
post #7483 of 8217
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Originally Posted by braves22 View Post

What do you mean by computer cloned screen?

Also I do not have THX enabled as I don't have access to that menu like some others and I have local dimming and edge enhancer turned off and both sharpness and color set at 50 and it wouldn't allow me to use just scan as it was grayed out so I used by program...

Also, i noticed the RB calibration didn't change whether I had Game Mode on or off...and I thought that was strange as well.

If I could even cut the calibration numbers in half it'd be a good start


Thoughts?

Didn't notice this last night when I was tired.
Just Scan is grayed out when the incoming signal source is NOT HD. The signal has to be 720p or 1080i/p to use Just Scan. At 480i/p, that option is not available as it would be a small postage stamp in the center of the screen. When the TV has to upconvert an SD signal to HD, it can add to the lag time too.
post #7484 of 8217
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Originally Posted by vegggas View Post

Didn't notice this last night when I was tired.
Just Scan is grayed out when the incoming signal source is NOT HD. The signal has to be 720p or 1080i/p to use Just Scan. At 480i/p, that option is not available as it would be a small postage stamp in the center of the screen. When the TV has to upconvert an SD signal to HD, it can add to the lag time too.

I have Xbox running in 720 so that wouldn't be the case...


Could you real quick run down all settings you have, I will copy them verbatim and then re run the RB Calibration tool and let you know what spits out...


Btw I am using the guitar for auto calibration so it will be about as accurate as possible
post #7485 of 8217
Sgooter,
Thanks for posting your settings (Post #7456).
Definitely made an improvement on the CNET settings I was using on my LW6500.
Craig
post #7486 of 8217
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Originally Posted by vwbeetlvr View Post

Just for my own confirmation, can you please share all your settings and input numbers for your video games to achieve the lowest lag? Thank you.

maybe because i'm running through my Onkyo TX-NR609? i have my PS3, 360 and cable box, all HDMI going into the Onkyo, and one HDMI going into the TV. all i did when i bought the TV last week, was set it up.... i'm plugged into the first HDMI slot i believe, and the TV updated itself to the newest firmware.

i set my 360 and PS3 (i play COD on the 360) set both game machines to automatically look for my V's best settings... picked those, it picked both for 1080p, and then i started playing COD. put the game to Video Game mode, and haven't touched a thing when it comes to anything of the picture.. i think it looks just fine as is, and haven't experienced any lag of any kind.

maybe i'm having some beginners luck?
post #7487 of 8217
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Originally Posted by Craig-AVS View Post

Sgooter,
Thanks for posting your settings (Post #7456).
Definitely made an improvement on the CNET settings I was using on my LW6500.
Craig

You're welcome - appreciate the feedback.
post #7488 of 8217
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Originally Posted by vegggas View Post

Didn't notice this last night when I was tired.
Just Scan is grayed out when the incoming signal source is NOT HD. The signal has to be 720p or 1080i/p to use Just Scan. At 480i/p, that option is not available as it would be a small postage stamp in the center of the screen. When the TV has to upconvert an SD signal to HD, it can add to the lag time too.

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Originally Posted by braves22 View Post

I have Xbox running in 720 so that wouldn't be the case...


Could you real quick run down all settings you have, I will copy them verbatim and then re run the RB Calibration tool and let you know what spits out...


Btw I am using the guitar for auto calibration so it will be about as accurate as possible

Not at home right now, but all the settings for Game mode were listed previously - 50%, and off for everything. Not much to change
I would concentrate on that No Just Scan problem to find the real cause of your lag. I don't think the TV is getting an HD signal from the Xbox. When on the Xbox, press the TV's info button and see what signal it is getting. Also, are you connected directly to the TV? If you're playing through a receiver, that can alter the signal resolution and add as much as 500ms of delay, especially if the receiver is syncing the HDMI signal to extract the audio and lock a resolution, then syncing another signal between it and the TV.
post #7489 of 8217
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Originally Posted by vegggas View Post


Not at home right now, but all the settings for Game mode were listed previously - 50%, and off for everything. Not much to change
I would concentrate on that No Just Scan problem to find the real cause of your lag. I don't think the TV is getting an HD signal from the Xbox. When on the Xbox, press the TV's info button and see what signal it is getting. Also, are you connected directly to the TV? If you're playing through a receiver, that can alter the signal resolution and add as much as 500ms of delay, especially if the receiver is syncing the HDMI signal to extract the audio and lock a resolution, then syncing another signal between it and the TV.

By 50 do you mean contrast too as I was told that could be a high number?


Xbox signal receiving on tv is 720p info confirms that...and as I said before I am running HDMI direct XBox to TV in the HDMI3 port...

Could it have anything to do with the monoprice cable I have?!


I just don't understand what the problem is...and it's really starting to piss me off!
post #7490 of 8217
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Originally Posted by braves22 View Post

By 50 do you mean contrast too as I was told that could be a high number?


Xbox signal receiving on tv is 720p info confirms that...and as I said before I am running HDMI direct XBox to TV in the HDMI3 port...

Could it have anything to do with the monoprice cable I have?!


I just don't understand what the problem is...and it's really starting to piss me off!

Consider this: I set the TV's HDMI1 (Cable TV) aspect to Just Scan - all looks OK. Next day I install a new blu-ray player on the TV's HDMI2 port, and the factory setting for player's HDMI resolution output is on AUTO (will match TV's resolution), and I leave it set that way.
Next day, while watching some cable TV I notice that my Just Scan aspect setting has somehow changed to 16:9 and Just Scan is grayed out. Makes no sense to me. Same thing has changed on the TV's HDMI2 for blu-ray! With only a guess on my part, I change the blu-ray player's HDMI resolution output from AUTO to 1080p, and it instantly re-enables Just Scan on both HDMI1 and HDMI2. Could something like this be affecting your Just Scan being grayed out?
post #7491 of 8217
I have no idea but for whatever reason even when I reset all inputs it still never comes back on ANY of them...

Also I tried lowering EVERYTHING to 50 or lower and put Sharpness at 0 and it lowered the video lag down to 79...

So that's better but still not as great as some claim there's is...

And my audio lag is still 190+ so how do I fix that...or is that just always going to be awful even connected direct HDMI tv to XBox?!
post #7492 of 8217
I've noticed that when I have the Trumotion turned on, that when watching movies on my PS3, I get a slight audio lag. Any reason why this is? When I have it on watching TV through my cable box, the audio is fine. What could be the problem with that? I know lot's of you don't like or use the Trumotion, and most times I have it off too, but there are times that I love the way it looks like you're looking through a window or something.
post #7493 of 8217
DVR Mode??????

OK, I enabled this in the Service Menu, but what's it good for and how do I use it?

Jim
post #7494 of 8217
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Originally Posted by gjschaub View Post

Really like the pq on the 47, but I have a question. Is there a "simple" zoom function, not cinema zoom, to keep the same aspect ratio? Many programs are now full letterbox on 4:3 non hd channels and on my Sony lcd I would just use the standard zoom to fill the screen without distortion. Maybe I am missing something on the cinema zoom adjustments.

I've been complaining, on this thread, about this for quite a while. You really should search the thread as it's been brought up several times. LG done away with the Zoom function so you will not be able to correctly view any 4:3 letterboxed movies.

You can fix this by using a VCR, Cable Box/DVR, DVD player that will upconvert to 1080P with no stretching as this converts the frame to 16:9 with built in side black bars. Then you can use your cinema zoom. Looks like LG has completely given up any 4:3 frame compatibility that is in the letterbox format.
post #7495 of 8217
FORUM software keeps glitching and creating duplicates
post #7496 of 8217
Does anyone else ever feel like some 3d scenes appear so bright that they are dizzying? I almost feel cross eyed as I watch for a moment. I experienced this again tonight watching the Transformers 3 helicopter skydive scene (as they glide past a building). I also see this in a few of the coral reef scenes in underwater films. Does anyone else experience this? I feel like the standard for 3d is to make the tv as bright as possible. Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions.
post #7497 of 8217
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Originally Posted by Wamblej View Post

Does anyone else ever feel like some 3d scenes appear so bright that they are dizzying? I almost feel cross eyed as I watch for a moment. I experienced this again tonight watching the Transformers 3 helicopter skydive scene (as they glide past a building). I also see this in a few of the coral reef scenes in underwater films. Does anyone else experience this? I feel like the standard for 3d is to make the tv as bright as possible. Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions.

Not after the first few minutes of watching, then it is like my vision adjust. At the very start it is bad enough, I have to look somewhere else to get things to stop spinning.
post #7498 of 8217
Hi there.

Is there a way to make the Simplink menu setting default to "HT speaker"?

I have to choose it every time for some reason, in order to output Cab/Sat sound to the receiver. I never use the "TV speaker"

TV speaker is turned off.
ARC is turned on.
Simplink is turned on.
Connected with HDMI #1.
Using a Pioneer VSX 821-K receiver with HDMI control on and ARC on.
Using high speed 1.4 hdmi cables.

Thanks for any input.
post #7499 of 8217
Does this tv have an app for movie trailers ? The YouTube app is horrible (starts playing crap as soon as you open it which makes searching difficult) so I hate using it.
post #7500 of 8217
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Originally Posted by talk show host View Post

Does this tv have an app for movie trailers ? The YouTube app is horrible (starts playing crap as soon as you open it which makes searching difficult) so I hate using it.

Vudu shows movie trailers and also free 2 minute previews (the first 2 minutes of the movie). I think Amazon has trailers too, but I'm not positive on that one.

I don't think either of them have trailers for movies that you can't currently steam on their respective services though.

It would have been cool if this TV was just running Android or Google TV. But most Android phones will stream their display to the TV anyway, so you can use your phone (and view it on the TV) if you have an Android phone.

There may be done trailer app on the TV too, for all I know. I never use those TV apps though because the remote is so cumbersome to use for anything other than basic TV stuff.

Search for IMDB or Flixter. Those are both good trailer apps on Android so if they are on this TV it should be what you're looking for.
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