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Originally Posted by mfrey0118 View Post

...Interesting. D-Nice recommends 100 Contrast on the break in slides, which I am doing (30 hours and counting)

His 100 hour panel aging procedure is not a "recommendation", and it has nothing to do with mitigating or avoiding burn-in. It's a specific controlled procedure intended to age the panel exactly the same as he did with his own example so that your TV will look as close as possible to his own calibrated example after inputting his posted post-calibration reference settings.
post #1622 of 8347
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

His 100 hour panel aging procedure is not a "recommendation", and it has nothing to do with mitigating or avoiding burn-in. It's a specific controlled procedure intended to age the panel exactly the same as he did with his own example so that your TV will look as close as possible to his own calibrated example after inputting his posted post-calibration reference settings.

OK in your opinion does this procedure seem to have the potential to cause burn in?
post #1623 of 8347
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Originally Posted by mfrey0118 View Post

OK in your opinion does this procedure seem to have the potential to cause burn in?

His 100 hour procedure will not cause or prevent burn-in.

I liken it to searing a steak in a very hot skillet to seal in the juices before turning the temperature down in order to cook the inside just right
post #1624 of 8347
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

His 100 hour procedure will not cause or prevent burn-in.

I liken it to searing a steak in a very hot skillet to seal in the juices before turning the temperature down in order to cook the inside just right

That is an awesome analogy! Make me hungry though.
post #1625 of 8347
another thing i did notice about the st30 it handles glare really well.
I was looking at other tvs and i could see some glare on them

thanks randy. so i could use the panel brigthness option only
in custom mode.
post #1626 of 8347
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Originally Posted by mfrey0118 View Post

OK first time anything-but-a-CRT TV owner here.

Got a P42ST30 two days ago to replace issue-prone GT25. Doing the dnice break in method with the 1080p color photos via USB on a slideshow loop.

Just started doing the break in about 5 hours into the tv life (didn't realize I wasn't supposed to watch any TV on it until after the 100 hour break in and customized settings)...

I have two issues and I need someone to tell me if I should be concerned, since I don't know squat about plasma tv's and I need to learn and become an expert because now i have one and I insist on knowing all my gadgets intimately...

Anyway, first issue is this. I can see two pixels seemingly misfiring. One starts blinking during all colors but red shades and the other goes completely dark in all blue shades. Neither one can be noticed by my eyes from more than about 5 feet away. Both light up uniformly on certain colors but not all.

Second issue. Been running the break in slides from 7am to 10pm today nonstop. Finally decided to give the TV a bit of a rest before getting some good break in time while I sleep and I ran the anti-retention tool scroll bar for 15 minutes. 4 pixels near the top left corner of the screen stayed white the whole time, until I turned the TV off. Is this what's called image retention?

Should I not run the TV continuously for the 100 hours? My plan was to run it nonstop starting this morning and be done with the break in by Friday afternoon...is that crazy?

Any help would be greatly appreciated...Apologies if this is the wrong thread I couldn't decide which thread would be more appropriate the master break-in thread or this ST30 thread.

Update:

Let the TV sit and cool off for about 15 mintues then ran the scroll bar again. Same thing. It seems to only happen with the scroll bar. As soon as I switch back to whatever input mode I was on the white pixels shut off and behave normally...But I need to know that my TV isn't broken and that I am not breaking it...it's coming on midnight here and I have to work tomorrow so if no one tells me different I am just going to run the slides all night...

Why are you running the scroll bar while running the slides? Do you understand the purpose of the scroll bar?
post #1627 of 8347
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Originally Posted by qwickset View Post

Can anyone please confirm the spacing of the mount screw holes on the back of one of these units (at least the width)? I'm seeing 65ST30 owners commenting in reviews of various wall mounts online indicating that the spacing is just a bit wide for the mounts (one example is for a mount that will fit "most 60"-84" plasma models).

The max distance on mounts is easy enough to find but finding a diagram or discussion concerning screw spacing on this unit is hard to come by.

Thanks for any help.

[SOLVED] 684mm x 300mm using M8 Allen bolt. I hope this helps other 2011 65st owners shop for wall mounts as well

Via Panasonic.com support chat......

Erick C: Thank you for contacting Panasonic Viera Concierge. How may I help you today?
Me: Hello Erick
Me: thank you for taking my chat
Erick C: Hello. How may I assist you?
Me: my question is...
Me: What is the Wall Mount hole bolt pattern for the TC-P65ST30?
Me: I've purchased one at sears.com .... it is set to be delivered 05/25 and I need to purchase a wall mount now
Erick C: I would be happy to assist you with that information just one moment while I get the cutsheet for this model.
Me: thank you
Erick C: For this unit it will be 684mm x 300mm using M8 Allen bolt.
Me: That's exactly the information I needed
Me: Thank you Erick!
Me: Make it a great day!
Erick C: Your welcome and thank you for contacting Panasonic.
Me: BTW, hats off to speedy and helpful Panasonic support!
post #1628 of 8347
So how does the GT25 compare to the ST30?

I have the GT25 but have some time to return it if I feel that the ST30 is worth the upgrade.

I have read the following:

ST30 Pros

Brighter, Thinner, More energy efficient, smoother gradation, more life like picture quality (flesh tones more natural), Viera Connect is superior, wireless adapter included, better 3D image quality.

Dithering seems to be the same, same with motion.

I am concerned most with brightness, detail/picture sharpness (hate soft pictures), anti-reflection (bright room), motion (watch lots of sports and action movies).

I have not calibrated the TV yet (just about 15 hrs on it) but I do not like the THX mode. The whites seemed too yellow and the picture is a bit too soft. Is that how it is supposed to be?

In the end, Chad B didn't see a significant difference from last years top of the line plasma, VT25 to the ST30. He was impressed with this plasma. But will I gain that much over the GT25?
post #1629 of 8347
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post


No. Just no. Complete bs. Shadow detail isn't something the st30 has over a GT set. As well as blacks.

Go to hdj and watch the video reactions to a calibrated st30 and gt30 side by side. They mention that obviously the gt30 has a deeper black level, but Davidjschenk and other forum moderators consistently comment; "look at how much more shadow detail the st30 has compared to the gt30" its under a review of the st30 posted on march 13th.
post #1630 of 8347
Hey guys I keep seeing on the vierra commercial when they show the internet apps, that it has hulu. I haven't been able to find or download it on mine. Anyone else have any luck with that?
post #1631 of 8347
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Originally Posted by pablodiner View Post

Go to hdj and watch the video reactions to a calibrated st30 and gt30 side by side. They mention that obviously the gt30 has a deeper black level, but Davidjschenk and other forum moderators consistently comment; "look at how much more shadow detail the st30 has compared to the gt30" its under a review of the st30 posted on march 13th.

That's a GT25 not a GT30

The ST30 is better than the GT25 in rendering better shadow detail. The GT30 has better shadow detail than the ST30 but it rises out of black more quickly- at least it did in the GT30 review done with the ST30 & a Samsung.
post #1632 of 8347
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Originally Posted by tbielowicz View Post

So how does the GT25 compare to the ST30?

I have the GT25 but have some time to return it if I feel that the ST30 is worth the upgrade.

I have read the following:

ST30 Pros

Brighter, Thinner, More energy efficient, smoother gradation, more life like picture quality (flesh tones more natural), Viera Connect is superior, wireless adapter included, better 3D image quality.

Dithering seems to be the same, same with motion.

I am concerned most with brightness, detail/picture sharpness (hate soft pictures), anti-reflection (bright room), motion (watch lots of sports and action movies).

I have not calibrated the TV yet (just about 15 hrs on it) but I do not like the THX mode. The whites seemed too yellow and the picture is a bit too soft. Is that how it is supposed to be?

In the end, Chad B didn't see a significant difference from last years top of the line plasma, VT25 to the ST30. He was impressed with this plasma. But will I gain that much over the GT25?

I would disagree with the ST30 being brighter, and possibly with the flesh tones being more natural (have to spend a little more time with it to decide for sure on that). I just calibrated a GT25 a couple days ago. It was brighter than the ST30, both after calibration.
post #1633 of 8347
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Originally Posted by Chad B View Post


I would disagree with the ST30 being brighter, and possibly with the flesh tones being more natural (have to spend a little more time with it to decide for sure on that). I just calibrated a GT25 a couple days ago. It was brighter than the ST30, both after calibration.

Which is why I personally like the GT over the ST and made the choice I made.
post #1634 of 8347
Dont know how accurate this is got it off television info but it says ST30 is brighter then the GT25

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post #1635 of 8347
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Originally Posted by Oilfieldtrash View Post

Does anyone actually own this tv? I see 200 pages of people complaining about black levels but that's it. How does it compare to the G25? Which is the better buy?

I plan on buying it and just using it for whatever at the highest brightness level out of the box. Omg!! Oh noes!!! Burn in... Psssttt whatever.

lololol!
post #1636 of 8347
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Originally Posted by jason4207 View Post

Why are you running the scroll bar while running the slides? Do you understand the purpose of the scroll bar?

Yes I was just trying it to see what would happen...

Anyway I heard that this was a known issue with this model so no biggie I can live with it.

As far as the pixels, I did a little more reading and the replies were either "take it back" or "don't drive yourself crazy looking for them if they don't hinder normal viewing then be happy"...
post #1637 of 8347
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Originally Posted by sheshechic

That's a GT25 not a GT30

The ST30 is better than the GT25 in rendering better shadow detail. The GT30 has better shadow detail than the ST30 but it rises out of black more quickly- at least it did in the GT30 review done with the ST30 & a Samsung.

Ah ok I was under the impression it was the gt30 but I guess it hadn't even been released at that time thanks for the correction.
post #1638 of 8347
ST30 Update #3

So I've finally got my 3rd ST30 (after 2 returns)

Just a recap (and I did not use break-in slides for 100 hours, but I did use D-Nice's Custom calibration settings)

ST30 #1 - It was delivered poorly by Pilot (they all were, in fact - even after complaints to Amazon. They were always delivered by one person, even when the order specified two). The Netflix app streamed very poorly, the 3D didn't work, and the buzzing was loud) I ordered an exchange. There was also rare, but occasional light fluctuations.

ST30 #2 - There was a light green blob in the center of the screen when I played green slides. When playing video, it was not noticeable. However, there was a high level of fluctuating light, and it was very distracting. I had the light fluctuation issue with almost all content. I ordered another exchange.


ST30 #3 - I think this one's a keeper! I have noticed some light fluctuation (I unfortunately look out for it now), but it wasn't nearly as intense as on ST #2. The set has been buzzing a bit, but certainly no louder than #1 nor my previous GT25. Everything else works swimmingly.

After 3 tvs, here is my pro/con list. It is also a comparison to a GT25 that I owned for almost a month. Keep in mind that I am not an expert.

PROS

Picture - The picture quality is awesome. Sometimes, I feel as if I'm looking out a window. Whereas the GT25 THX mode was slightly red, the ST30 likes to lean toward green. However, a few tweaks in custom mode can and has fixed that issue. The picture on the ST30 is sharp, but like the GT25, there is some noticeable dithering, usually in the background on items such as tan walls and the sky. Dithering has not been distracting, and is not terribly frequent. I prefer ST30 Custom to the GT25 THX.

Motion - While some pans are still choppy, I find that they are less choppy then on the GT25. There is also the Motion Smoothness option on the ST30, which adds a bit of "soap opera effect," but also does help smooth out the motion. However, sometimes it adds its own subtle "choppiness," to the content of the screen, such as head movement (when in close ups). It's mostly an unnecessary feature, but it can still be useful at times. Overall, the ST30 is slightly better with pans then the GT25, imo.

Standard Definition - The ST30 looks MUCH better than the GT25 when playing SD. The GT25 practically looked like a youtube video when I played SD (my cable provider doesn't offer Comedy Central in HD!), but the ST30 gives a very satisfactory SD picture.

3D - Along with more 3D menu options (more control over strength of the effect, then the GT25), the ST30 also works with YouTube's 3D channel. The GT25 could only create the 2D>3D conversion, but the ST30 will allow you to turn a double image into a single 3D image when Viera Connect is playing 3D content. It's a small item that most people won't use, but I do like having the option. There is also less crosstalk on the ST30 then the GT25 (but I didn't find crosstalk to be a huge issue on the GT25, either)

Viera Connect vs. Viera Cast - Viera Connect has many many more options, and access to the Viera Market, which should continue to grow. I've heard that Hulu+ is coming to, or already offered on Viera Connect, but I haven't seen it. Hulu Plus does come with Viera Cast, but it's media options are quite limited.

Networking - Free wi-fi adapter is included, which allows me to hard-wire my blu-ray player and use the wi-fi for the television. It's just a little bonus, but I enjoy it. The wi-fi adapter does not work with the GT25 nor my Panasonic Blu-Ray player, however, just in case anyone was thinking of using it on another device.

CONS:

Picture - Fluctuating Brightness. It seems as if the display gets confused when light and dark images are displayed in succession. This issue also seems to affect some STs more intensely then it does others. I returned one because of this issue. I believe I will keep my current one, as long as it remains relatively inactive.

Other negative comments about picture quality (but much less important), Involve the out-of-the-box picture. The set likes to lean toward green. Most of the non-custom modes (standard and cinema - I haven't played with Vivid or Game) like to lean green. When using D-Nice's settings and forgoing the 100 hour break-in period, you will need to compensate for the green tint. I believe I had to play with the tint a bit in Standard and Cinema as well. Standard and Cinema also work better in different color temperatures, if I remember correctly (they're all written down somewhere...unfortunately not near my bed at 12:45 am. They were also calibrated strictly by eye, so may not be worth posting, anyway).

The set buzzes, but it's not distracting and other than set #1, I rarely hear it from 10ft away, and only then, when the television is on mute.

So that's about it. If the brightness didn't fluctuate, this television would be amazing. As it stands, I would choose it over the GT25, but not by much. I prefer the unmentioned thinner panel, the improved 3D, the custom mode picture (over THX), Viera Connect, and the comparable price. I would also like to mention, that if you miss the more saturated THX picture of the GT25 (vs the cleaner ST30), the ST30 can almost match the look, by setting the panel brightness to "mid." I never noticed floating blacks on the GT25, but I certainly did notice the light fluctuations. The only detracting issue is the light fluctuation, and I'm just hoping that the set can suppress it better then my #2 could. I'm also crossing my fingers for a permanent fix via firmware update.

That's it! Hopefully, someone can fine these opinions useful.
post #1639 of 8347
^^^

Nice post and the time/thought you put into it.
post #1640 of 8347
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Originally Posted by whiteboy714 View Post
Hey guys I keep seeing on the vierra commercial when they show the internet apps, that it has hulu. I haven't been able to find or download it on mine. Anyone else have any luck with that?
I have yet to see hulu on mine either.
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Originally Posted by MASKOAA View Post
Dont know how accurate this is got it off television info but it says ST30 is brighter then the GT25
These are very poor and suspicious results from the GT25 and VT20. I got around 158 cd/m2 from the GT25 I just calibrated.
post #1642 of 8347
Hey all,
Newbie member here. Been reading a long time but never had a reason to post. I did post over in the LG LCD/LED forums but after talking to some friends who know more about TV's than I do, I have decided to go Plasma.

I currently bought a Samsung 55" 6500 LED. I am not happy with it. I was watching the Sox game last night and whenever someone through the baseball, a white box would appear on the screen surrounding the ball. This is going back to the store.

Blah blah blah, here is my question.

After trying to get through this exceptionally long thread, is the consensus that te ST30 is a good TV? I am a heavy gamer, Netflix user blah blah blah blah.

I am a newbie to the AV game and admittedly am not very knowledgeable regarding "deep blacks," "true blacks," "infinite blacks" etc... I know nothing about calibrating my TV's an never have. This is something I am going to get into this time around, though.

So ST30 or is there another model around the EDIT: sorry, I put a price. price range I should be considering?
post #1643 of 8347
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Originally Posted by whiteboy714 View Post


Amazon is easier for returns? Why because they come pick it up? I never thought about it like that. It just sucks all the wait time. Oh well good thing I didn't end up selling my old tv.
Heh, I had to sell our old TV just to afford this sucka! 52 hours and counting on the break in slides...
post #1644 of 8347
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Originally Posted by Chad B View Post
These are very poor and suspicious results from the GT25 and VT20. I got around 158 cd/m2 from the GT25 I just calibrated.
FWIW, that "television info" site he referenced is known to post incorrect and inaccurate information. I wouldn't believe much of what they say.
post #1645 of 8347
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Originally Posted by mfrey0118 View Post
Heh, I had to sell our old TV just to afford this sucka! 52 hours and counting on the break in slides...
I should probably sell my old one its just sitting here.
post #1646 of 8347
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Originally Posted by chemical360 View Post

Hey all,
Newbie member here. Been reading a long time but never had a reason to post. I did post over in the LG LCD/LED forums but after talking to some friends who know more about TV's than I do, I have decided to go Plasma.

I currently bought a Samsung 55" 6500 LED. I am not happy with it. I was watching the Sox game last night and whenever someone through the baseball, a white box would appear on the screen surrounding the ball. This is going back to the store.

Blah blah blah, here is my question.

After trying to get through this exceptionally long thread, is the consensus that te ST30 is a good TV? I am a heavy gamer, Netflix user blah blah blah blah.

I am a newbie to the AV game and admittedly am not very knowledgeable regarding "deep blacks," "true blacks," "infinite blacks" etc... I know nothing about calibrating my TV's an never have. This is something I am going to get into this time around, though.

So ST30 or is there another model around the EDIT: sorry, I put a price. price range I should be considering?

I'm a noob too. I got tired of my LCD looking like a blurry mess while watching my NBA games. Watching sports was by far the number one reason I got a plasma. I went to Fry's one day and I fell in love with the picture that plasma gave vs LCD. I decided about 6-8 months ago I was going plasma. I did my research and I finally ended up with a 55" st30. I couldn't tell you about the 242 different shades of black or none of that but I can tell you watching my beloved Dallas Mavericks has been a pleasure. No more blurry mess while the players are running. The picture is something you've got to see to truly appreciate. It's like I'm watching HD again for the first time. I'd highly recommend the st30 to another sports fanatic in a minute. I also have a ps3 hooked up and it also looks amazing. As far as pricing it's a no no but usually Amazon has the best prices.. Shhh....
post #1647 of 8347
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Originally Posted by humphrey11 View Post

ST30 Update #3

Great update!

How about reflection? Is the ST30 better, worse or the same as the GT25?
post #1648 of 8347
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Originally Posted by Chad B View Post

I would disagree with the ST30 being brighter, and possibly with the flesh tones being more natural (have to spend a little more time with it to decide for sure on that). I just calibrated a GT25 a couple days ago. It was brighter than the ST30, both after calibration.

Interesting. In the end, it seems as though a properly calibrated TV will provide one with the best picture period, whether it is a ST30 or GT25. Both seem to be great sets and you probably can't go wrong with either.
post #1649 of 8347
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Originally Posted by Oilfieldtrash View Post

I'm a noob too. I got tired of my LCD looking like a blurry mess while watching my NBA games. Watching sports was by far the number one reason I got a plasma. I went to Fry's one day and I fell in love with the picture that plasma gave vs LCD. I decided about 6-8 months ago I was going plasma. I did my research and I finally ended up with a 55" st30. I couldn't tell you about the 242 different shades of black or none of that but I can tell you watching my beloved Dallas Mavericks has been a pleasure. No more blurry mess while the players are running. The picture is something you've got to see to truly appreciate. It's like I'm watching HD again for the first time. I'd highly recommend the st30 to another sports fanatic in a minute. I also have a ps3 hooked up and it also looks amazing. As far as pricing it's a no no but usually Amazon has the best prices.. Shhh....

Awesome! Thank you so much for the response to this, I appreciate it. I am probably at your level or even lower as far as the specs go. I do know about refresh rates and all of that but I am the same way.

So this is good news. Unfortunately, I am locked into Best Buy right now. The 55" LED was a result of my 40" LCD breaking and I paid the difference for the upgrade.

So I have to return that and unfortuantely, cannot wait the delivery time to get the better deal. But right now, they are offering the 55" ST30 for less than what I paid for the 55" LED. So I am saving anyway and can get a pair of glasses to go with it.
post #1650 of 8347
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Originally Posted by Chad B View Post

These are very poor and suspicious results from the GT25 and VT20. I got around 158 cd/m2 from the GT25 I just calibrated.

What did you get out of the ST30? Also are those results only if you get it professionally calibrated. Rather then say just using D-Nice's settings?
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