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Originally Posted by chemical360 View Post

Ok, so I finally pulled the trigger on the Panasonic 3D kit. One thing I am noticing is that the 2D > 3D conversion is really not that great, at ALL.

I was wondering if I was missing someting? The regualr 3D stuff is outstanding but when I engage the 2D to 3D conversion, nothing.

I can see it on the outer edge of the screen, it appears to have depth but no characters or scenery are given the illusion of depth.

Can someone explain?

I think as of now it's more a gimmick then anything else.
post #1802 of 8347
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Originally Posted by chemical360 View Post

Ok, so I finally pulled the trigger on the Panasonic 3D kit. One thing I am noticing is that the 2D > 3D conversion is really not that great, at ALL.

I was wondering if I was missing someting? The regualr 3D stuff is outstanding but when I engage the 2D to 3D conversion, nothing.

I can see it on the outer edge of the screen, it appears to have depth but no characters or scenery are given the illusion of depth.

Can someone explain?

I find the conversion works well with sports, I use it for Basketball games, but I have yet to see it do a decent job with a movie or TV show.
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OK, I figured since I've hit the 200 hour mark I will give more impressions of my P42ST30.

First remember I'm a newbie at this stuff...

I highly recommend D Nice's panel prep method. Even if you "accidentally" watched a couple of hours of regular content, just start it now and don't watch anymore. I know that the purpose is to get even pixel aging for accuracy of settings, but I think doing this also results in sharper colors, with less bleeding.

I read the entire thread over on HDJ about the brightness flux. Now I've been keeping a critical eye on this TV since I bought it (it's my 4th counting returns of 3 GT25's) and I had not noticed a problem with brightness adjustments during viewing. However, after reading the thread I decided to pay more attention. To test whether or not my TV suffered from brightness flux, I watched a movie that I thought would be an excellent test, Dark City on BD, Director's cut.

All I can say is that I was very impressed with how my ST30 handled this movie. If anyone is familiar with it, you know that Dark City is filmed almost entirely in this eery night/twilight background. There are tons of scenes with inky black backgrounds, brightly lit lights, and plenty of shadows and contours. This TV really passed with flying colors. I actually got up several times to go stare at the screen during a particularly dark scene with good contrast of bright localized lighting and I could not see any brightness flux, or any light bleeding into dark areas, etc...

Tried that "binary butterscotch" hi def jpeg that someone posted a video of on You Tube with his GT30 doing obvious flickering, and the only thing I saw was a very brief moment of darkening of the blacks in the picture and then it was stable.

Watched the opening scenes of Inception because someone on the thread mentioned their set did a lot of this brightness flux on the first 11 minutes...nothing...lights and darks were rock solid.

Now, I thought that I encountered a very slight version of this issue one time when watching hockey in 1080i on digital network broadcast. But I watched hockey again yesterday, same channel, and I realized what I saw was the unit's interpretation of the camera flashes from people in the stadium sitting near the camera but out of view, adding a kind of backlighting effect with their flashes. Not once did the white ice rink alter brightness or shades.

As a matter of fact, the only thing I can produce that even comes close to being called this kind of problem is if I have the white slide on the screen from the D Nice panel prep method and I bring up the ST30's main menu. Then I can see the white dim noticeably. But again, that's only when viewing the slides.

Now again, I'm a newb and this is an uncalibrated set, but I definitely noticed the panel changing as I broke it in. The ST30's seem to be particularly...I dunno how to say it...stiff, out of the box. Colors looked a bit dull and it looked like the TV really didn't know how to handle gradients, etc...but after the 100 hour panel prep, I really noticed images looking very sharp, colors bright and well defined, no bleeding into each other. They seemed more accurate. Fast motion scenes held their color well as they quickly passed across the pixels. And then I really noticed another marked improvement right around 180 -190 hours.

Let's see...about the only other issue is when I choose 48hz while watching something on BD with the player set to 24p I can see flickering in bright lights on the screen. When I change to 60hz, it disappears.

The buzzing has not gotten any louder at all. It's quite soft. Heck, it vibrates at the same frequency as my fridge motor so for all I know it could all be caused by dirty electricity from the utilities. They operate at 60hz so there has to be some interference. Anyway, I can only hear the buzzing with audio off and sitting within 6 feet of the TV and even then the other electrical sounds in the house tend to drown it out. It does change pitch with different colors but since I can hear the high-pitched whine from a CRT tv from any room in the house it really doesn't bother me at all. Of all my electronics the TV is probably the most quiet of the bunch.

As far as dead/stuck pixels I only have two. One goes dark on blue slides and one goes dark on red slides. I can live with that because they both fire properly on all other colors.

I have not been able to watch any native 3D content yet (waiting for my Avatar BD), but 2D-3D is cool to see at first but after a while it's not really noticeable unless there's some kind of graphic up on the screen then you really get the depth perception. The TV syncs up easily with my Xpand active shutter 3D glasses.

Oh yes, I am getting audio stutter on Netflix, but that only started recently, so for now I'm assuming it can be fixed with a firmware update. Plus it's not that big of a deal for me because we have the DMP-BDT210 and that Netflix shows more movie choices anyway for some reason so we primarily use it for streaming movies.

In conclusion, I know the ST30 line is the lower, high end model and I know it is far from perfect. But I really think it is the best value on the market for a 42" full HD, 3D television for under $1000. I am definitely a happy ST30 owner.

lol, now watch since I put this glowing review up my TV will develop some intolerable defect and I'll have to recant...
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My 42" LG plasma panel from 2006 bit the dust a few weeks ago so we are now shopping for a new 42-46" display. This television is for the bedroom. The 42" size is just fine for this room and 46" is arguably too big (is there such a thing?!) but I've been including 46" displays in the search in case the price is right.

We usually buy our TVs at Gramophone but they didn't have any of the newer model TVs to display, so I ended up having to check out the ST30 in BestBuy. They had it next to an S30 but the media it was playing was out of sync so it was hard to compare them to each other since the stuff on the screen wasn't there at the same time on both displays.

It seems from this thread that the ST30 is indeed significantly better in PQ from the S30? It certainly looked better to me in BB, but as I said, it was hard to direct compare.

We have a 58" Samsung 850 that we like. The panasonics always seem to have this 'grey-cast' that I pick up on when viewing side by side and I believe that is why we ended up with the Samsung in 2009.

At 42", it seems we are quite limited in choices. I'm ready to pull the trigger on the ST30, I'm just a bit concerned about buying it without having really seen the TV side by side with any other models. Does anyone know when the Samsung 2011 models will be out? The BestBuy kid said Samsung isn't making any 2011 plasmas smaller than 51" this year. LG is out of question after having a set die in only 4 years. Is the ST30 the "best" I can do for the size we want to buy? I'm not trying to spend a mint on this tv, just have something decent for watching sports and movies, but I am willing to spend the difference on the ST30 over the S30 if it's worth it. We already have what is to us, a decent TV in the Samsung 850 so this one doesn't have to be "breathtaking" just not crappy either.

Thanks for any and all input. I'm sure some of my questons are answered in this thread and I'm making my way through reading it, but also a bit pressed for time as we need to go and get the order put in tomorrow.

EDIT:
Looks like I answered some of my own questions already. From the thread on the 2011 Samsung models, there's only 2 43" sets and they are both 720p. I guess the ST30 really is the TV for us unless we go LED.
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Originally Posted by mfrey0118 View Post

Hah, we just sold our old Sony CRT 32" flat screen to help pay for the ST30...sucker weighed over 160lbs!

The 36 inch XBR chassis is about 240 lbs . We'll keep ours. It will become the kids game console. It still displays an excellent 1080i picture, we just wanted something larger than 31 inches in HD for the family room.

--Chuck
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Originally Posted by E.C View Post

Let me do this over. After really checking this out and pulling the gt25 out of the box(still waiting for them to pick up) and watching the scenes from dark night and avatar on each tv it is only happening on the st30. Im noticing it on the brights scenes mostly and its a black flicker not white(sorry). Its hard to explain other then a quick flicker. Does anyone have any idea what this could be. I know its not normal. My wife even notices.

I tried turning 24fps off from auto on my ps3 video settings. Now the problem has stopped. What does this setting do. Am I missing out on anything by having this turned off?
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Can anyone tell me the footprint of the base of the 50" ST30? Im trying to decide if it can sit on top of my beefy center channel or not.

Thanks everyone.
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Originally Posted by chksmithcis View Post

The 36 inch XBR chassis is about 240 lbs . We'll keep ours. It will become the kids game console. It still displays an excellent 1080i picture, we just wanted something larger than 31 inches in HD for the family room.

--Chuck

They make the best gaming TV's only thing the I hated was of course the weight and the overscan.
post #1809 of 8347
man I had the 27" 4:3 1080i Sony. Great picture, HDMI input - but everything was letterboxed if HD, so it made it seem like a 22" widescreen at best.
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Originally Posted by b_scott View Post

man I had the 27" 4:3 1080i Sony. Great picture, HDMI input - but everything was letterboxed if HD, so it made it seem like a 22" widescreen at best.

Yea they had the 4:3 and the 16:9 versions. Probly b/c most televised content was still 4:3 back then. I had the SD 4:3 36in version.
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I bought mine used in 2005 off craigslist for like $300. I ended up selling it for like $200 in 2008, haha.
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Sounds like mine too except I have none of the pixel problems and it's a 55"'er very good review, thanks.
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Proud owner of 55st30 for a month now. Been running netflix with no issues until now, including HD programing. Watching Battlestar Galactic season 1 (I know, go easy on me, way behind the times). Noticing some audio static as well as some studdering in the video. Supposed to be in HD, but the screen looks a bit snowy, especially in deep space which one would think would be all black. I can't understand it. Could it be netflix, not the tv or my setup? I have a dual band router (running 5Ghz as separate network for TV only), router is near the TV. Any thoughts out there?
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Originally Posted by zryder View Post

Can anyone tell me the footprint of the base of the 50" ST30? Im trying to decide if it can sit on top of my beefy center channel or not.

According to the Operating Manual, the base is 18.2" wide x 13.2" deep.

Here's the link to the downloadable ST30 Manual:

http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPER.../TCP42ST30.PDF
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Originally Posted by dlplover View Post

Have you tried it with generic blu-ray, dvd, and pc inputs to see if the same thing happens? It's always possible that you could have a bad graphics chip in your ps3.

not yet. I'm going to buy a stand alone blu-ray player (any suggestions?)

I have played regular dvds through the ps3 and have not seen any of flashing line business. So far, it's only been BDs through ps3.. I'm not 100% sure, but I may have seen it elsewhere (non ps3 content.) maybe...

I wish I was 25 or younger so I could remember again.. memory is shot! and Im only 33..must be the whole getting married and having kids thing.

I think i need to take a step back a test all inputs, components, etc one at a time. only 50 hours to go on this set w/ slides and I'll see what I find.
post #1816 of 8347
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Originally Posted by E.C View Post

I tried turning 24fps off from auto on my ps3 video settings. Now the problem has stopped. What does this setting do. Am I missing out on anything by having this turned off?

Can anyone answer this?
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Originally Posted by joppcpa View Post

Proud owner of 55st30 for a month now. Been running netflix with no issues until now, including HD programing. Watching Battlestar Galactic season 1 (I know, go easy on me, way behind the times). Noticing some audio static as well as some studdering in the video. Supposed to be in HD, but the screen looks a bit snowy, especially in deep space which one would think would be all black. I can't understand it. Could it be netflix, not the tv or my setup? I have a dual band router (running 5Ghz as separate network for TV only), router is near the TV. Any thoughts out there?

BSG fan here, I have the set on Blu-ray ;-)

A lot of that is just film grain. BSG is a very grainy show in the low-light scenes, in space, even on the ship and on planets. It was done that way more or less on purpose to give it a certain "feel". The audio static and video stuttering I would attribute to NetFlix. Do yourself a favor and rent/buy the BD copy.

Are you getting the audio in 5.1?
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I asked last week about the 600hz being only useable in Cinema mode and some people said no its in all modes but I just looked at Pannys site.
http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-e...00000000005702

and when they describe the 600hz at the bottom it says.
*When using Cinema mode.
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Originally Posted by MASKOAA View Post

I asked last week about the 600hz being only useable in Cinema mode and some people said no its in all modes but I just looked at Pannys site.
http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-e...00000000005702

and when they describe the 600hz at the bottom it says.
*When using Cinema mode.

Really? So what's the deal with that? We only get the full capabilities of our set by being forced to use Cinema mode? If this is true than shouldn't it be adjustable in SM?
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Originally Posted by Ishniknork View Post

BSG fan here, I have the set on Blu-ray ;-)

A lot of that is just film grain. BSG is a very grainy show in the low-light scenes, in space, even on the ship and on planets. It was done that way more or less on purpose to give it a certain "feel". The audio static and video stuttering I would attribute to NetFlix. Do yourself a favor and rent/buy the BD copy.

Are you getting the audio in 5.1?


Yes, I think its 5.1. Using Sony receiver about 5 years or so with surround sound. It even has static on TV speakers. Interesting about the grainy look. I saw BSG full series on amazon for $150. Maybe just bite the bullet.....
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Originally Posted by mfrey0118 View Post

Really? So what's the deal with that? We only get the full capabilities of our set by being forced to use Cinema mode? If this is true than shouldn't it be adjustable in SM?

None of this makes sense. I just looked up Panny's description of the 46GT24, the Costco version of the Gt25:

600Hz technology lets you view superb full-HD motion and still images with 1,080 lines of resolution. For even greater clarity with motion images, Panasonic uses its own unique image-analysis technology. This technology converts the motion in each scene into dots. And each frame is practically displayed for a shorter length of time than in previous systems, to reduce aftereffects.

*When using cinema mode.


The problem is that the GT24/25's do not have a Cinema mode for 2D viewing. It's only available in 3D mode. Can anyone clarify this?
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Hmm... In lookling at Panasonic's site again, that particular description of the 600Hz sub-field drive is listed among the 3D features. Maybe it's meant to address 3D only? Still confused.
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Originally Posted by Cal1981 View Post

None of this makes sense. I just looked up Panny's description of the 46GT24, the Costco version of the Gt25:

600Hz technology lets you view superb full-HD motion and still images with 1,080 lines of resolution. For even greater clarity with motion images, Panasonic uses its own unique image-analysis technology. This technology converts the motion in each scene into dots. And each frame is practically displayed for a shorter length of time than in previous systems, to reduce aftereffects.

*When using cinema mode.


The problem is that the GT24/25's do not have a Cinema mode for 2D viewing. It's only available in 3D mode. Can anyone clarify this?

GT25 has the blur reduction feature. According to cnet there was no visible difference but it did improve lines of resolution. The menu description says "improves moving picture quality. Additional sub-fields are created to reduce motion blur". It is selectable in all modes. I dont believe it does anything in the "real" world.
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Originally Posted by Cal1981 View Post

Hmm... In lookling at Panasonic's site again, that particular description of the 600Hz sub-field drive is listed among the 3D features. Maybe it's meant to address 3D only? Still confused.



Found this: http://www.tvlampsnbulbs.com/2009/08...ich-is-better/



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Instead of giving you my uninformed opinion, I went online and found one of the best answers I could on the subject courtesy of Playstation.com:


The only thing constructive I learned from it was that 120hz is better if you watch a lot of Blu-ray because 24hz (the BD standard) splits better into 120hz but not 60hz. Also, no device actually outputs 120hz, so you really have to be careful which TV you’d get. Because it would be upconverting your sources to 120hz, and some tvs are bad at doing things on their own.

And this:


As for 600Hz its not a 600Hz refresh Panasonic does a 600 hz subfield drive calculation…

Panasonic subdivides their plasma display panels into 10 sub-fields. Each sub-field is refreshed at a 60 Hz rate. 10 sub-fields refreshed at 60 Hz (10 x 60 = 600) produces a 600 Hz sub-field drive figure.

Is a 600 Hz sub-field drive better for fast motion?

NO. It neither helps nor hurts fast motion on a plasma display panel.

Plasma pixels switch at 1 micro-second; thousands of times faster than the fastest LCD response time. Because of this speed difference, a plasma TV operates different than a LCD TV and, therefore, does not produce the motion blur and jitter produced by a LCD display panel. Plasma TVs do NOT need 120 Hz refresh rates to compensate for these motion artifacts because they do not produce these motion artifacts.

There you have it folks.



So it appears the actual "refresh rate" of a plasma has to do with the fact that it's a plasma and not the sub field specs. So even if we are missing the 600hz subfield drive on other modes we're still apparently getting the 1 micro second with no artifacting on all modes, which is why we get plasma in the first place...pulse slowing...anger subsiding...
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Originally Posted by mfrey0118 View Post


I have not been able to watch any native 3D content yet (waiting for my Avatar BD), but 2D-3D is cool to see at first but after a while it's not really noticeable unless there's some kind of graphic up on the screen then you really get the depth perception. The TV syncs up easily with my Xpand active shutter 3D glasses.

Which model of Xpands do you use?
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Originally Posted by joppcpa View Post

Yes, I think its 5.1. Using Sony receiver about 5 years or so with surround sound. It even has static on TV speakers. Interesting about the grainy look. I saw BSG full series on amazon for $150. Maybe just bite the bullet.....

Have you had static playing DVD's or Blu-ray discs? If not then I'd say it's NetFlix or your internet connection. If you get static on DVD's and BD's it might be your receiver or the cables/connections. That's my best guess.
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I'm getting the Netflix audio issue, I tried directly connected with CAT 5 and wireless, same issue, I had a Samsung UN40D6400 in the same connection and Netflix was flawless. Netflix works great also in the Xbox. I hope a firmware upgrade can fix this.
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I'm using D-Nice's settings, but the flesh tones look a little greenish. Anyone else have this problem?
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Originally Posted by Robert311
I'm using D-Nice's settings, but the flesh tones look a little greenish. Anyone else have this problem?
I have read a few people with this same issue, if I remember correctly bumping the rgb color settings a couple notches towards "red" alleviates this.
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Originally Posted by Robert311 View Post
I'm using D-Nice's settings, but the flesh tones look a little greenish. Anyone else have this problem?
Depends what your using to make that judgement...if its cable then it could be the channel b/c most channels use slightly different calibrations...DONT KNOW WHY BUT THEY DO....lol.
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