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post #2011 of 8349
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Originally Posted by Bytehoven View Post
BTW... Please highlight the issues folks have had with the ST series, just so I can make sure my open box special is not a can of worms.

Thanks
how is your netflix working on the set? are you getting any audio issues?
if your netflix is ok can you post what router are you using?

I know the ST30 netflix issue needs to be fix by panasonic, but while we wait for a firmware update I will like to see if the issue only happens w/ certain brand or router models in particular.
post #2012 of 8349
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Originally Posted by eortizr View Post


how is your netflix working on the set? are you getting any audio issues?
if your netflix is ok can you post what router are you using?

I know the ST30 netflix issue needs to be fix by panasonic, but while we wait for a firmware update I will like to see if the issue only happens w/ certain brand or router models in particular.

I have the audio issue my router is a dlink-dir 615
post #2013 of 8349
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Originally Posted by Robert311 View Post

I just read in another thread on this site that 24p sometimes causes judder. And at certain panning rates can look terrible. Is it possible that the ST30 (being a 24p tv, right?) would look worse with panning shots than my 4 year old 720p Panasonic plasma that isn't 24p? I'm not even sure if my old Panasonic WASN'T 24p. I feel lost.

Here's a nice paragraph that AlanBuck wrote in that thread:

"Someone wrote a very detailed article about WHY 24p doesn't look as good as people expect it to. People expected video heaven when it became available on Blu-rays, and then found it wasn't all that great. I forget where I saw it but he explained the technical reasons as to why people are often dissapointed. He said the shutter action in a movie projector helps to hide the judder..on a 24p Blu-ray we get to see it all too well. You are seeing what's really there..we just don't like it. 24 frames per second was chosen in the dark ages for movies...it is far from ideal from a smoothness standpoint. (Basically was chosen to save film...not for quality)"

Also read that peter jackson will be filming The Hobbit in 30fps hopefully this starts to catch on as it will reproduce nicely on these newer tv's
post #2014 of 8349
Actually, it's 48fps, which no Blu-ray player can play natively. Gotta keep selling new hardware!
post #2015 of 8349
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Originally Posted by Bryan Beckman View Post

Actually, it's 48fps, which no Blu-ray player can play natively. Gotta keep selling new hardware!

Wonder if it'll work if I run it through my laptop.
post #2016 of 8349
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Originally Posted by Robert311 View Post

Yes it does. But It's always in grayscale for me. I've never been able to adjust that setting, because it won't let me. But I was told that it's only for 1080i sources, which I never use. I have my Directv running at 720p, never 1080i. And Blu-ray is obviously 1080p.

Is 3:2 pulldown the culprit of my problem? It's always "off", but I can't change it.

3:2 pulldown is also greyed out on my ST30 when I play a bluray through my PS3 with 24p set to auto. I don't know if this matters but I am now in custom mode so I could adjust more picture settings.

I will do some investigating. I'm not seeing any judder or motion artifacts but I'm just curious so I will look into it.
post #2017 of 8349
Anyone know if the new 1200 pixels per second motion performance that panasonic is claiming is when motion smoother is used? Or is it just naturally that good?
post #2018 of 8349
Hi Guys,

I was just trying to put a Dayton Shadow mount on my new 50" ST30 and I realized it won't work. The mount puts it an inch from the wall but the power cord needs an inch and a half from the wall.

What mounts do you all recommend?

Thanks
Dan
post #2019 of 8349
You won't need 3:2 pulldown if you're using 24p sources, hence why it's grayed out.
post #2020 of 8349
Not sure if I should post this question here or in the Receiver forum but it concerns Viera Link so here goes:

I currently have my Panasonic Blu-Ray player connected directly to the ST30 with the audio passing back through the Optical Out. This works fine but I'm going to be upgrading my receiver to the Onkyo HT-RC260, which supports 3D and Audio Return. So upon upgrading, will Viera Connect still work if I connect all the HDMI components, including the Panny Blu-Ray, through the Onkyo? Also, will the Audio Return Channel allow the Viera Connect apps to play audio back through the HDMI connection to the receiver? All of this is with the hope of eliminating a few extra cables.
post #2021 of 8349
TV repair man came over today. Replaced the main boad.

Line bleed is still there. Anyone have line bleed on there St30? He was saying all plasmas have it not matter what... Funny thing is I never seen it ever on a plasma.

The color banding I was having did get better but it's not 100% gone. The brightness flux stayed the same.

I have to say that the TV does look a bit sharper. I have no idea why...

So, I have no idea what I am going to do with this tv... Unless a few people tell me that they also have line bleed.

Any help is welcome.

Thanks.
post #2022 of 8349
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Originally Posted by Anodyne View Post

will the Audio Return Channel allow the Viera Connect apps to play audio back through the HDMI connection to the receiver? All of this is with the hope of eliminating a few extra cables.

Good Question. Another related question:
Does the sound from Veira Connect come from the on-board HDTV tuner or will the ARC (Audio Return Channel) only send 2-Channel stereo like it does for all external set top boxes, Blu-ray players etc, and not multi-channel 5.1?

Paul
post #2023 of 8349
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Originally Posted by Morbid View Post

TV repair man came over today. Replaced the main boad.

Line bleed is still there. Anyone have line bleed on there St30? He was saying all plasmas have it not matter what... Funny thing is I never seen it ever on a plasma.

The color banding I was having did get better but it's not 100% gone. The brightness flux stayed the same.

I have to say that the TV does look a bit sharper. I have no idea why...

So, I have no idea what I am going to do with this tv... Unless a few people tell me that they also have line bleed.

Any help is welcome.

Thanks.

I have line bleed but its not noticeable enough to complain especially since most content wont be in a position to demonstrate it.
post #2024 of 8349
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Originally Posted by MASKOAA View Post

I have line bleed but its not noticeable enough to complain especially since most content wont be in a position to demonstrate it.

Good to hear... Puts my mind more at easy.

I could swear I seen no line bleed for the first 70ish hours. Then after my set started getting color banding, line bleed and brightness flux.

Now that the color banding is all but elminated, I'm pretty happy except for that dang line bleed which I can see clear as day in any movie that has something bright versus semi dark image. On one movie Salt. The guy in the car when talking to her (that is her husbin)... Shows line bleed over 1/3 of his face that is tinted green. Very distracting.

Maybe I'm just to picky... I do love the picture of this set... I just wish the line bleed wasn't there and to a less extent the brightness flux.
post #2025 of 8349
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Originally Posted by Morbid View Post

Good to hear... Puts my mind more at easy.

I could swear I seen no line bleed for the first 70ish hours. Then after my set started getting color banding, line bleed and brightness flux.

Now that the color banding is all but elminated, I'm pretty happy except for that dang line bleed which I can see clear as day in any movie that has something bright versus semi dark image. On one movie Salt. The guy in the car when talking to her (that is her husbin)... Shows line bleed over 1/3 of his face that is tinted green. Very distracting.

Maybe I'm just to picky... I do love the picture of this set... I just wish the line bleed wasn't there and to a less extent the brightness flux.

Maybe your set has it worse then mine?
post #2026 of 8349
wife gave the semi-approval on screen size/distance for the bedroom after the Best Buy visit today (42")

She's still worried it'll own the room, but at 12.5 feet I think it'll be fine.
post #2027 of 8349
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Originally Posted by b_scott View Post

wife gave the semi-approval on screen size/distance for the bedroom after the Best Buy visit today (42")

She's still worried it'll own the room, but at 12.5 feet I think it'll be fine.

You could go bigger.
post #2028 of 8349
Just buy the 50", set it up and dispose of the packaging, then tell her it's the 42"... she's not likely to pull out a measuring tape, (and we all know the stereotype about women and distances)
post #2029 of 8349
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Originally Posted by pablodiner View Post

I have the audio issue my router is a dlink-dir 615

funny, I have the same router, but I also tried with a Belkin and got the same audio issue. So I went ahead and tried using my phone as Router and guess what, no audio issue at all. If you have an android phone make the test.
post #2030 of 8349
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Originally Posted by Jonny5nz View Post

Just buy the 50", set it up and dispose of the packaging, then tell her it's the 42"... she's not likely to pull out a measuring tape, (and we all know the stereotype about women and distances)

And if she's suspicious, a 50" Plasma screen is roughly 43 inches wide (horizontally) so just whip out the tape measure and measure the actual screen width from left to right (not diagonally).

"See honey, you're mistaken, it is a 42 TV"
post #2031 of 8349
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Originally Posted by Anodyne View Post

You won't need 3:2 pulldown if you're using 24p sources, hence why it's grayed out.

Just read on P. 50 of the ST30 manual: "'3:2 pulldown' will be grayed out if the input signal is high definition or you are viewing photos, etc."
post #2032 of 8349
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Originally Posted by Paul H View Post

Good Question. Another related question:
Does the sound from Veira Connect come from the on-board HDTV tuner or will the ARC (Audio Return Channel) only send 2-Channel stereo like it does for all external set top boxes, Blu-ray players etc, and not multi-channel 5.1?

Paul

I read that all HDAVI Control 2 or later versions of Viera Link support multi-channel audio through the Digital Audio Out and ARC. Is that not correct?
post #2033 of 8349
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

And if she's suspicious, a 50" Plasma screen is roughly 43 inches wide (horizontally) so just whip out the tape measure and measure the actual screen width from left to right (not diagonally).

"See honey, you're mistaken, it is a 42 TV"


That's hilarious!
post #2034 of 8349
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Originally Posted by Anodyne View Post

I read that all HDAVI Control 2 or later versions of Viera Link support multi-channel audio through the Digital Audio Out and ARC. Is that not correct?

But Panasonic says concerning VIERA Link "HDAVI Control" that "it is based on the control functions provided by HDMI and industry standard know as HDMI CEC with "UNIQUE FUNCTION THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED AND ADDED. AS SUCH ITS OPERATION WITH OTHER MANUFACTURER' EQUIPMENT THAT SUPPORTS HDMI CEC CANNOT BE GUARANTEED" caps are mine. So my take is that things should work fine with Panasonic components but they seem to be saying we're not guaranteeing any other equipment will work. Also, when audio from "other equipment" (which I'm assuming means non-Panasonic) connected to the ST30 via HDMI is output using "DIGITAL AUDIO OUT" on the ST30, the system switches to 2CH audio. So I guess you have to give it a try and see what will and won't work. I have the optical output from my Panasonic TH-65PZ850U connected to an optical input on my Onkyo 5507 pre/pro and when I use Amazon VOD through Viera Cast (Connect), I get whatever audio is present on the stream. Recently watched Red and had full 5.1 so at least we know that using optical will work. using HDMI 1/ARC on the ST30 someone will have to try and see what happens.
post #2035 of 8349
Ok, so 3:2 pulldown has nothing to do with the "judder" I see going on. Maybe I'm just very sensitive to it. I never used to notice it on my old Panny 720p plasma. Are newer plasmas 24p and older plasmas NOT 24p? And if that's the case, would my tv being a 24p tv be the cause for all this?
post #2036 of 8349
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Originally Posted by subavision212 View Post

But Panasonic says concerning VIERA Link "HDAVI Control" that "it is based on the control functions provided by HDMI and industry standard know as HDMI CEC with "UNIQUE FUNCTION THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED AND ADDED. AS SUCH ITS OPERATION WITH OTHER MANUFACTURER' EQUIPMENT THAT SUPPORTS HDMI CEC CANNOT BE GUARANTEED" caps are mine. So my take is that things should work fine with Panasonic components but they seem to be saying we're not guaranteeing any other equipment will work.

Well, I guess that's a good thing for my Panasonic Blu-ray player but it also explains why I haven't been getting any DD from my TWC STB.
post #2037 of 8349
Ok, I just came across this article, and it couldn't make more sense to me. This is exactly the clarification that I was looking for...

http://www.projectorcentral.com/judder_24p.htm

The only difference is I'm not using a projector, but other than that, it's all the same.

Now, how do I change my tv and/or PS3 from 24p to 60p? I basically want my tv to look as smooth as my old 720p Panny did. Of course, it was 720p, not 1080p, but it was still a lot smoother than my new ST30. And I'm not going to just put the Motion Smoother on to cure my problem, because I can't stand that look.
post #2038 of 8349
I've got to say that I'm becoming more and more impressed with my ST30. Only had it for a week but the PQ just seems to be getting better with anything I watch. Minimal tweaking with the suggested settings in this thread right now and the images are just so darned sharp and deep. Just for giggles I decided to change the settings on the Panasonic TC-L37X1 lcd in my bedroom to match the settings on the ST30 in the living room and flipped on the HD broadcast of the Celtics game. The lcd had a very pronounced amount of magenta in the white uniforms which was non-exisistent on the ST30. The white looked as pure as snow. Contrast and color on the lcd seemed a bit more gaudy compared to the ST30 which just looked rock solid in it reproduction of the the picture. Nothing seemed to look unnatural or artificial. Boy, what a nice display.
post #2039 of 8349
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Originally Posted by Robert311 View Post

Ok, so 3:2 pulldown has nothing to do with the "judder" I see going on. Maybe I'm just very sensitive to it. I never used to notice it on my old Panny 720p plasma. Are newer plasmas 24p and older plasmas NOT 24p? And if that's the case, would my tv being a 24p tv be the cause for all this?

Reading through the review on the ST30 at HDGuru they mentioned that there was unwanted noise when the film detect mode was set to Auto rather than On.

"High Definition

Checking the HQV Blu-ray test disc, the TC-P50ST30 passed all tests (noise reduction, deinterlacing with and without motion, jaggies and 3:2 pulldown detection). However, please note “Auto” film detect mode produced unwanted noise in the test signal. Changing the film detect mode to “On” produced a noise free passing grade."

Review here:
http://hdguru.com/panasonic-tc-p50st...426/#more-4426
post #2040 of 8349
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Originally Posted by Jonny5nz View Post

Reading through the review on the ST30 at HDGuru they mentioned that there was unwanted noise when the film detect mode was set to Auto rather than On.

"High Definition

Checking the HQV Blu-ray test disc, the TC-P50ST30 passed all tests (noise reduction, deinterlacing with and without motion, jaggies and 3:2 pulldown detection). However, please note Auto film detect mode produced unwanted noise in the test signal. Changing the film detect mode to On produced a noise free passing grade."

Review here:
http://hdguru.com/panasonic-tc-p50st...426/#more-4426

What the heck is "film detect mode"? I've never heard of that and never seen that in the menu.
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