Official Panasonic 2011 TC-PxxST30 Thread [No Price Talk] - Page 101

Originally Posted by jordan23237

I'm even more confused now. I stated I wanted to game mostly with some blu-ray watching and was recommended a plasma. I was told the picture would be greatly superior with a plasma for PS3 gaming. My main choices are between the ST30 and Vizio E3D420VX. Thanks for your input I appreciate it

Originally Posted by htwaits

Plasma can form an image faster than LCD, so from that point of view, plasma is best. In fast action, LCD can lag a bit.

If you play games for long periods of time, and those games have fixed images, you would never have to be concerned about burn-in with a LCD. If you only occasionally watch movies, and most of the time use your display for games, then I would tend to stick with LCD. If you can mix your game playing with movies and games that don't have fixed images, then a plasma might work for you. There are reports of plasma owners who are heavy gamers. They seem to be happy with their choice.

It's hard to come up with a clear cut answer.

Originally Posted by jordan23237

I will not be using the ST30 as a pc monitor. So would you recommend the ST30 plasma over an LCD for gaming and blu rays. I will also be playing 3d games and watching 3d movies. The Vizio I was looking at has passive vs the active on this set. I would also like to make sure the picture quality on the ST30 will be superior to my Vizio VO32LF. If anybody can help answer your help is appreciated.

Originally Posted by tfoltz

As I said, I choose plasma for anything except as a PC monitor. I'm a huge movie watcher and heavy game player. Plasma is amazing, you just need to be balanced in your viewings and know at times you will notice some image retention that will eventually go away, and as time goes on you won't notice it at all. You are already already on the right track by knowing about D-Nice's instructions/settings. Vizio is not even on my radar, so I can't help you there.

Originally Posted by jordan23237

I just hear plasmas BLOW LCDs out of the water in terms of picture quality...

Didn't plasmas get rid of the burn in and image retention problems?

Originally Posted by tfoltz

You are already already on the right track by knowing about D-Nice's instructions/settings.

Originally Posted by htwaits

Every exaggeration can have some truth in it.

Originally Posted by jordan23237

I will also be running d nices slide for the first 100-150 hours and using his settings.

Originally Posted by jordan23237

I understand that but would you say there is any LCD out there that can compete with your ST30 picture quality?

Originally Posted by htwaits

If you continue to be careful for a few hundred additional hours you will decrease the chances of image retention and burn-in. Once you switch from D-Nice's "fast aging" settings to his calibrated settings, you can run the slides when you're not watching the TV, just to get your display to an age where you're less likely to have IR problems.

I did that for the first 500 hours. Then a bunch of my relatives "dropped in" to watch hockey on a SD channel with patterned side bars. The game was probably on for three hours and there was no IR. I was more relaxed than I would have been if it happened during the first 100 or so hours.

Originally Posted by htwaits

Maybe the top of the line Sony LCD displays, but I don't have any first hand experience with side by side comparisons in good viewing environments.

Originally Posted by jordan23237

Also if it's not too much to ask can you post some pictures of your ST30 running some games? It would be greatly appreciated, thanks kindly

Originally Posted by martinstraka8282

I gamed on my 4 year old 65" Panasonic Plasma extensively with very little IR. If it was ever there it would be gone in moments, and really, unless your looking at an all black screen its not even noticeable. I was careful for the first while, but over the years I would have like 3 or 4 hour gaming sessions with no problems other than a little momentary IR. Never had any permanent Burn-in.

Just bought the 65" ST plasma to replace my old TV, and I've been careful not to have long sessions since I'm still in the first couple days, but, I can game for an hour or so with no IR really. Looks beautiful btw, much much much better than my GF's or brothers' Samsung LCD's, barely compareable imo.

Originally Posted by jordan23237

This is the information I was looking for thanks man. Would you be able to post some pictures of a game running on the ST30? It would be greatly appreciated. I've been hearing and reading plasmas smoke LCD in terms of picture quality and it's glad to hear a little confirmation on this. I'm coming from a vizio vo32lf, will I notice a huge jump to the ST30?

Originally Posted by class2001

I recently got a 50ST30 I started running the slides but i could take it so i played a lil killzone 3.It looks beautiful.No lag. I didnt play for that long maybe 30 min, no IR what so ever.I think you'll be safe with heavy gaming on a ST

Originally Posted by jordan23237

This is the information I was looking for thanks man. Would you be able to post some pictures of a game running on the ST30? It would be greatly appreciated. I've been hearing and reading plasmas smoke LCD in terms of picture quality and it's glad to hear a little confirmation on this. I'm coming from a vizio vo32lf, will I notice a huge jump to the ST30?

Originally Posted by subavision212

Yes, the blackout shades really make the whole look of the room come together. I did the same thing, going for comfort, in my HT. I have 18 nieces and nephews who sleep over and a a large family who like to come watch so I opted for matching sofa, two recliners and a love seat up on a 8 inch riser. That way there is lots of space between the display and seating for the kids to sprawl out on the floor on the six oversize pillows I bought to match the room. I'm attaching a pic looking to the front of the theater. Just realized it's an older pic because you can see the new Hsu sub I bought in February just in front of the right recliner.

Originally Posted by Riot55

Anybody have any experience with sound bars with the ST30? I am seeking some kind of surround setup for my media room which is only about 14" x 14". There already cords all over and I don't think I can fit or run more wires to have full 5.1 surround speakers everywhere. How do sound bars stack up? I've been looking at:

Panasonic SC-HTB10 - http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-SC-H...pr_product_top

and

Sony HT-CT150 http://www.amazon.com/Sony-HT-CT150-...8439166&sr=1-1

I read in a review about some sync issue with the Panasonics but I don't know if there's any stock in that. I also wonder how much better a sound bar will improve the TV's speakers. Is it going to be a noticeable difference worth $200? What's better? (I am an audio newb) Some reviews make it sound like it's a tricky connection setup too. The Panasonic looks like it might be too tall to put on the table in front of the TV as it would block the IR sensor, but would the Sony? It looks slimmer. I have a PS3, an Xbox 360 and a DVR box that I guess would use it. I'm open for other solutions too!

Originally Posted by martinstraka8282

Unfortunately my camera met its demise in Costa Rica a little while ago, and I dont have a fancy cell phone with a camera either .

Best thing I can do is vouch for the PQ on Gaming, and everything for that matter. I have a lot of experience with different TV's both LCD and Plasma. The ST30 is among the best TV's I've seen and I've seen a lot. I've owned both a Sharp and a Samsung LCD that I returned on 2 different occasions for Panasonic Plasmas, and was very happy with my decision to do so both times. The clarity in motion, and the black level just blows LCD out of the water IMO. I think you'd have to spend a lot of money on the highest end Sony LCDs to get an LCD comparable to the ST30. I spend a fair amount of time with my brother and his 52" Samsung LCD, and I'm always sitting there wishing we were in front of my Plasma instead.

As for the step up from your Vizio, let me just say, I would put a lot of money on you being blown away by what you've been missing. I know I was when I stepped up from my first Dell plasma to my older 65" Panasonic plasma.

Originally Posted by subavision212

I just bought the Sony 150 for my new Panasonic 42ST30 in my living room and after hooking it up last night was quite amazed at how good the SQ was from this little baby. I threw in the dvd of Daylight with the DTS audio track and I have to say the DTS intro at the beginning really sounded out of this world in the living room. True, it's not comparable to a true 5.1 set-up but I didn't want that for my living room. I've had the display since April 30 and could hear a very, very distinct difference in the sound field the 150 creates after listening to the display speakers. So that was a big plus right away. The 150 was very easy to set-up (had to experiment a bit with the settings on the 150 for my blu-ray since the manual is a bit lacking in clarity) and if you have HDMI/ARC input it's great because you can run three components into the 150 and then only use one HDMI cable from the ARC output on the 150 to your display. That freed up two HDMI inputs on my display. And I've watched all three components on my display (TW cable, Roku, Panny 110 blu-ray) and there is absolutely no loss in PQ (some people in the 150/350 soundbar thread seem to think there might be). Plus, if you head over to a BB in your area, they are marking down the 350 soundbar because they are being discontinued so you may be able to get one for under $280.00. But they are disappearing fast and that's why I got the 150 because none of the BB in my area had any left. Still, they gave me the unit for $249 so I was happy. 350 has a bit more power and a wireless sub, I think, but other than that, there isn't a lot of differences except if you have exceptionally good ears for SQ. The 150 is wired (a 10 ft. cord which limits where you can place the sub) and you have to have line of sight since the IR sensor is in the sub. For me, the 150 was a no-brainer and I love it. With a few tweaks to the sound settings I've gotten it to where it sounds just about perfect for my room. I watched Hereafter last night on dvd and the audio when the tsunami scene came up was so good that I actually thought something had blown in the unit the bass was that punchy and deep. No synch problems that I have seen and the bar is very compact (it's only 31.5 inch long, 2 &5/8 inch tall and 2 &3/8 inch deep) and sits right in front of my display and it's actually shorter than the bottom bezel on my Panasonic. I give the 150 a thumbs up.

Originally Posted by Raven Crimson

Slight OT, but the whole Plasma handles motion better than LCD is moot when getting the newer 240hz Samsungs and others with separate Blur and Dejudder controls. My last TV (2 year old Sammung 52B750) did it just as well as most plasmas, doing over 900 lines of motion resolution with Blur Reduction at 10 (and that's without the Soap opera effect, and zero tradeoffs other than input lag when gaming). Newer ones do the full 1080, which the new Plasmas can't do without that Cinema Smooth junk.

I sure as hell wouldn't use the B750 for gaming unless it's in Game Mode (making behave like a 60hz TV, meaning typical lcd blur), but for sports and Movies, it did as well as any Plasma.

For gaming, no doubt, a plasma will handle motion better with no trade offs input lag wise.

Just wanted to make that clear.

Waitng for my 65ST30 this Tuesday. The wait is KILLING me.

Originally Posted by sgjunior

I find that 720p games really show their problems with this set. I had a 32 inch Samsung LCD before. Otherwise picture is fantastic.