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post #6331 of 8347
12/19/11 at 6:47am
Hey guys. I need some help.

I have a 2 week old ST30-50". I have a Pana bluray hooked up (HDMI-2), and Dish HD receiver (HDMI-1). I also am getting HD via antenna. Everything is fine, except for 1 glitch.

After watching a movie, via pana bluray (HDMI input 2), then going back to sattelite (HDMI-1). I get a "white static" screen. It looks like the old analog screen from years back, when a TV station was out of range. It's NOT the black screen that says "no input". It seems to detect something, but displays white static.

When this happens, the only way to get a Dish picture , is to restart the TV, or unplug/replug the HDMI cable. Switching inputs wit remote, yields same result. The bluray and live TV inputs work fine.

Here are some facts:
* This only does this, when i have watched a DVD/Bluray for over 1 hour (stayed on that input for over 1 hour).
* I have elliminated cables as the issue (switched them and tried new v1.4 ones).
* My Dish HD receiver is fine and works perfectly on my older Pana 46". It also works fine on the ST30.
* It does not matter whether the Dish receiver is left on or off, while watching the Pana bluray.
* I get a "white static" screen, NOT a black (no input) screen.
* Restarting the Dish receiver does NOT fix the issue, only restarting the TV or unplug/replug the HDMI.

Has anyone heard of this, or have any ideas?

Randy
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post #6332 of 8347
12/19/11 at 6:57am
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Originally Posted by cpc View Post


Try the grey slide with the D-nice post calibration settings, or, use the settings for the slides and just adjust the panel brightness to low.

Been reading other forums. There are a few things I noticed about this problem:

1) Not everybody reports that they see the issue.
This could be for several reasons:
a) They don't have the issue.
b) It is so minimal that they don't notice it.
c) They have the issue to some degree, but they aren't looking at either the grey D-nice slide or other content with somewhat uniform sky, desert, snow, or a black and white film with the panel brightness set to low, in a darker environment.
d) The colour uniformity or blob/blotch issue on their set isn't very noticeable if you are colour blind. Some people cannot distinguish between pink and grey, so if your panel has pink tinting, you may not notice it on the grey slide or in black and white films. There are different kinds of colour blindness.
If you want to test yourself for colour blindness, check here:
http://www.colour-blindness.com/colo...r-test-plates/
I have no colour blindness.
>>> The implication of colour blindness is that the people checking TV's and projectors at the factory for proper colour need to be free of colour blindness!

2) Even considering the above scenarios, there seem to be some sets out there that have little or no bands or blotches. Just how perfect or free of colour uniformity issues, who knows, but it looks like there not every set has this issue.
3) I haven't seen many good pictures of dark grey slides of ST/GT and VT30 TV's with low panel setting showing a defect free dark grey slide on low panel brightness setting.
4) Some previous generation sets have this issue to some degree.
5) Some people report this issue with other brands, both previous and the current 2011 generation.
6) The issue and colour uniformity of your panel can vary over time, changing, getting better, or getting worse. I'm not sure just how long it takes, and to what degree the changes happen.
7) Some people stay with their set, while others go through many with the same issue, finally getting one that is improved enough for their tastes, or, some return their set and try another brand of TV.
8) Panasonic is not dealing with the issue very seriously.

I wonder if the economy and/or earthquake in Japan has affected Panasonic operations and/or business in any way.

I have gone 100 hours with the D-nice slides. My set definitely isn't as bad as some pics I've seen, on here, HDJ or AVForums. I am still not happy though.

What happens with stores in terms of the units returned and shipping etc? Amazon? BB? FS? Independent retailers?

Cpc, you just reminded me why I may not be seeing your problem and others "green" problems. I am officially color blind to Gray-Green. How lucky am I? Never thought it would be a good thing since I worked in the electronics/ communications industry with color coded components and wires-- LOL. I survived those times so I guess I will survive this TV if in fact it has any of these color problems. Nobody else in the house has complained. Now that I'm getting more deaf by the year, buzzing is not a problem either. haha.
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post #6333 of 8347
12/19/11 at 7:20am
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

I find the vertical bars or bands (whatever they are) on the far right hand side of the screen more distracting than the pink tint. I see the bars in dark movies like tonight when I was watching Batman Begins I saw them a few times briefly.

Why is it the problems always seem to be on or from the right side. The one problem that my set has is, on the D-Nice Brightness setting of 54, I get flashing of thin blue lines coming in from the right. This only happens on very dark detail ( on the far right ) very high contrast HD material. It happens on all inputs including BD. If I go to brightness setting 57 or 58, the lines go away. It's almost like the right side is getting to much of something and distorts. Any ideas?
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post #6334 of 8347
12/19/11 at 7:44am
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Originally Posted by Jimmy View Post

Why is it the problems always seem to be on or from the right side. The one problem that my set has is, on the D-Nice Brightness setting of 54, I get flashing of thin blue lines coming in from the right. This only happens on very dark detail ( on the far right ) very high contrast HD material. It happens on all inputs including BD. If I go to brightness setting 57 or 58, the lines go away. It's almost like the right side is getting to much of something and distorts. Any ideas?

My sheer guess is, it has something to do with how the ST30 panel is constructed at the factory. I know for sure my 65VT30 didn't have anything on the right side except for the pink. No bands, lines or bars at all. However, the Samsung 64D8000 I had did have bars on the right side virtually the same as the ST30 and this was noted by a few other forum members.
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post #6335 of 8347
12/19/11 at 7:54am
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Originally Posted by Lance_M View Post

Well the height of the center channel is 3.75". I went to bestbuy an didn't see a st30, so I couldn't measure. Anyway someone can take a quick measurement?

On my P60ST30 the vertical distance from the top of the stand to the bottom edge of the display screen is exactly 3-13/16".

Not sure what size display you're getting but assuming the measurement is the same, and you included the feet when measuring your center channel, you should be good. If you didn't include the feet one option is to remove them, then stick that sucker to the stand with doube sided tape.
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post #6336 of 8347
12/19/11 at 9:02am
Thanks!!! I'm looking at getting the 55". Hopefully the vertical distance is the same.
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post #6337 of 8347
12/19/11 at 10:16am
Does anyone know the particular settings to turn off ALL video processing by the TV? I just got an iScan Duo for processing of all my inputs and in quick testing (literally 10minutes of use before I had to turn the TV over to the kids), I was unable to get the internal TV processing turned off for HDMI 1 input. Anyone have the specific settings necessary to turn off all (and I mean all) processing inherent in the TV for the HDMI 1 input?

Is there a means to retain processing for internal use like with Netflix?

Finally, I've been playing a bit with Netflix and Hulu Plus. Netflix is smooth, Hulu is really choppy and virtually unwatchable, is this a pure pipe issue or is there some setting that I can make to improve Hulu performance?
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post #6338 of 8347
12/19/11 at 10:17am
You may want to check but the IR sensor/transmitter are on the bottom front of the tv in the middle, so a center channel may interfere with the remote.
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post #6339 of 8347
12/19/11 at 10:18am
Hey guys im a new plasma owner and was wondering what are slides?and how do i run them?When i watch my blurays i don't get the smooth motion effect even when i put it on high does anyone know why?Thanks
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post #6340 of 8347
12/19/11 at 10:38am
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Originally Posted by TT135i View Post

Speaking of sound.
I knew the audio quality would be mediocre, but I didn't expect it to be as poorly done as it is.

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I'll probably just get a pair of powered monitor/speakers. I've heard $40 powered speakers that sound much better than the built in speakers on this TV.

I agree that the speakers are disappointing, especially for a TV in this price range. I have $20 computer speakers that sound much better.

Regarding the use of powered speakers, keep in mind that the ST30 has no analog audio output. Another poor design decision in my opinion. If you want external audio, it has to support digital optical input.
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post #6341 of 8347
12/19/11 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by whipit View Post

You may want to check but the IR sensor/transmitter are on the bottom front of the tv in the middle, so a center channel may interfere with the remote.

Most likely it will block the IR sensor. I have a pretty larger center channel, and it would block it rendering the remote useless. I have an older 50" Panny and I have a soundbar there that barely fits and its very thin. Maybe lift the set up on a riser so the center channel can fit. Might look weird though. For my 60" ST, I had to buy a new stand that hold the center channel on a shelf below the TV.
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post #6342 of 8347
12/19/11 at 11:09am
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Originally Posted by brian6751 View Post

I understand.

I do still feel the set I had had no defects. I am extremely picky and no matter how close I looked at it, I could see nothing.

My point is that not all sets have a defect. There are plenty without.

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Originally Posted by mark62 View Post

well, in my case, ive had 2 and a fellow member had 2, and they all have it so, 100%. one guy on another forum got the pick out of 20 in a warehouse and got to pick the one with the best uniformity, but all 20 had it. this isnt just the ST it affects all series. ive seen on all the sets ive looked at in stores. i believe that people just dont see, and dont have the panel on low when looking. but i see it all the time watching tv, it ruins it for me.

IMO, there are few and far between that do not have the pink and green issue.

im prolly gonna try a 3rd, wish me luck... and dont get me wrong, i love the set besides this issue.


Just thought I'd throw my hat in the ring. I bought my screen last week (xx1244xxxx if I remember correctly...i'm at work) and it seems to be flawless. So far I have watched full screen/HD movies and tv and then putting D-Nice's settings/picture slides in at night and when I leave for work. I would estimate I have about 15hrs of normal viewing on it and about 25-30 hrs of slides.

So far I have zero visible pink or green blobs.

The ONLY issue that I have with this set so far is watching hockey with a low contrast setting...the brightness seems to fluctuate. When I change to a higher contrast setting, problem goes away.
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post #6343 of 8347
12/19/11 at 12:37pm
I keep seeing references to D-Nice's settings but have been unable to find them using the search function. Could someone please provide a lin k to them?
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post #6344 of 8347
12/19/11 at 12:53pm
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Originally Posted by JackB View Post

I keep seeing references to D-Nice's settings but have been unable to find them using the search function. Could someone please provide a lin k to them?

Different thread see here
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post21184208
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post #6345 of 8347
12/19/11 at 12:55pm
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I keep seeing references to D-Nice's settings but have been unable to find them using the search function. Could someone please provide a lin k to them?

http://www.**************.com/forumd...NS-amp-REVIEWS
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post #6346 of 8347
12/19/11 at 2:04pm
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Originally Posted by Noonin View Post

http://www.**************.com/forumd...NS-amp-REVIEWS

I tried that and it didn't work. Could you change asteriks to letters?
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post #6347 of 8347
12/19/11 at 2:25pm
Will Panny give out the EEP value if you give them your serial #?
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post #6348 of 8347
12/19/11 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by JackB View Post


I tried that and it didn't work. Could you change asteriks to letters?

Google D-Nice calibration slides
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post #6349 of 8347
12/19/11 at 2:40pm
OK I am having a sound issue. Basically I am unable to get the sound to play through my home theater when I am using viera connect (netflix). Sounds only works if I set viera link to output through the TV speakers.

I am using sony HT-CT 150 for my home theater audio. I have an optical cable running from the st30 out to the sony in but no sound. I can't quite figure out if the problem is on the panasonic side or the sony side.

Sound works fine through sony home theater when i am watching my fios service. For that I have HDMI running from fios set to box out to sony home theater input. Then from sony home theater output another hdmi to panasonic input. Sound works fine in this setup when vieralink is set to play through home theater.

I also have an xbox and once again the sound works fine through the home thater. HDMI connect xbox out to sony in then sony out to panasonic in. No issues with veiralink set to home theater.
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post #6350 of 8347
12/19/11 at 2:49pm
Damn, about two weeks ago i noticed Nat Geo logo on the bottom right hand corner. I could see it on a white or light background. How long does the station logo stay on? Do I have to run the sliding over night? Ive been watching alot of full screen, and when I am watching anything on Nat Geo channel I have it in Just mode.
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post #6351 of 8347
12/19/11 at 2:50pm
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Originally Posted by JackB View Post

I tried that and it didn't work. Could you change asteriks to letters?

Sorry, I gues this site doesn't like to give complete links to other forums. It's over at Highdef Junkies in the REVIEWS & SETTINGS BY THE TOP INDUSTRY LEADERS forum
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post #6352 of 8347
12/19/11 at 2:58pm
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Originally Posted by kben1993 View Post

Will Panny give out the EEP value if you give them your serial #?

Would not expect Pan to know For Certain your EEP value just from the Serial Number, as this is something that may have changed since the set left the factory.

OTOH, directions for finding it are fairly simple - and as long as you simply READ the info & then Power Off the set the process seems rather safe....
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post #6353 of 8347
12/19/11 at 3:04pm
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Originally Posted by jamst149 View Post

OK I am having a sound issue. Basically I am unable to get the sound to play through my home theater when I am using viera connect (netflix). Sounds only works if I set viera link to output through the TV speakers.

I am using sony HT-CT 150 for my home theater audio. I have an optical cable running from the st30 out to the sony in but no sound. I can't quite figure out if the problem is on the panasonic side or the sony side.

Sound works fine through sony home theater when i am watching my fios service. For that I have HDMI running from fios set to box out to sony home theater input. Then from sony home theater output another hdmi to panasonic input. Sound works fine in this setup when vieralink is set to play through home theater.

I also have an xbox and once again the sound works fine through the home thater. HDMI connect xbox out to sony in then sony out to panasonic in. No issues with veiralink set to home theater.


Yeah I got it to work by messing with the ctrl hdmi and arc settings on the sony. Not exactly sure how I did it or what I even set it to but....its working lol
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post #6354 of 8347
12/19/11 at 3:05pm
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I have elliminated cables as the issue (switched them and tried new v1.4 ones)

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Total shot in the dark, but have you tried switching the INPUTS for your devices?

If that doesn't work, next thing I would try would be to toggle the "Viera Connect" setting - or whatever they call the option that permits control of other Pan devices via the HDMI connections (either to OFF or ON, depending upon current state).
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post #6355 of 8347
12/19/11 at 3:07pm
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Originally Posted by jamst149 View Post

OK I am having a sound issue. Basically I am unable to get the sound to play through my home theater when I am using viera connect (netflix). Sounds only works if I set viera link to output through the TV speakers.

I am using sony HT-CT 150 for my home theater audio. I have an optical cable running from the st30 out to the sony in but no sound. I can't quite figure out if the problem is on the panasonic side or the sony side.

Sound works fine through sony home theater when i am watching my fios service. For that I have HDMI running from fios set to box out to sony home theater input. Then from sony home theater output another hdmi to panasonic input. Sound works fine in this setup when vieralink is set to play through home theater.

I also have an xbox and once again the sound works fine through the home thater. HDMI connect xbox out to sony in then sony out to panasonic in. No issues with veiralink set to home theater.

Try over on the Audio threads. Your HT-CT 150 set up has been covered many times.
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post #6356 of 8347
12/19/11 at 3:45pm
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Speaking of sound.
I knew the audio quality would be mediocre, but I didn't expect it to be as poorly done as it is.... Still, a basic TV should have an acceptable sound quality and volume level on it's own, at least to be able to watch and hear a news program.

The LGs seem to be the best plasma sets for sound quality, but we are not UNhappy with the sound from our (60") ST30 - at least for casual viewing - which would be mostly news / sports talk broadcasts.

Can't imagine that SIZE makes a difference, as thought all the STs had same speakers / amp.

However, it is possible our set-up does: tv sits on a "floating" glass-topped stand which might provide more sound reflection than other materials, and it is also placed about 14-15" from the rear wall - perhaps enough to allow for a nice bounce off that as well?? (And the "floating" top shelf provides a clear path for any signal that did bounce off the rear wall.)

Certainly overall sound quality - and volume level - is enhanced by kicking in the surround system, but I exercise each am (usually to Mike & Mike and/or DVR'd Leno/Letterman) & find the ST capable of providing sufficiently loud & clear audio while doing so...
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post #6357 of 8347
12/19/11 at 5:58pm
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Originally Posted by Dierkdr View Post

Our 60" ST30 is a bit over 2 weeks old - with well in excess of 100 hours of slides, in addition to a fair amount of other viewing (we've gone out of our way to rack up hours...).

Our "only" disappointment thus far is its handling of SD material - much worse than on our 50" (Pan plasma). Part of this is no doubt simply the Larger Size, but your comments about "sharp & detailed" are echoed in other reviews.

Would like to ask what DVD player you are using for SD material, what settings you use (particularly output resolution), and whether or not you engage / disengage any particular settings on the ST - ??

Alas, our play time with the set has been minimal thus far, but one thing that I noticed - much to my surprise - is that our "old" HD DVD player provides a much nicer picture on the ST (with SD DVDs) than our newer Pan Blu-ray player does. This is Precisely Opposite of our experience when we first purchased the Blu-ray player (along with the 50" plasma), and leads me to GUESS than there is some "setting incompatibility" between the player & the ST...

I have a Pioneer DVR-57H running through a Pioneer 1121 to my 55ST30. I have tons of SD material on DVD and was really thinking about purchasing an Oppo 93 just in case it looked bad. To my utter surprise, the SD material looks and sounds amazing. I used component/optical to the 1121 and HDMI to the TV. So good in fact that I'm not even considering Blu-Ray anymore.
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post #6358 of 8347
12/19/11 at 6:44pm
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Originally Posted by Noonin View Post

Sorry, I gues this site doesn't like to give complete links to other forums. It's over at Highdef Junkies in the REVIEWS & SETTINGS BY THE TOP INDUSTRY LEADERS forum

I'm all set. Found the right place.
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post #6359 of 8347
12/19/11 at 7:48pm
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Originally Posted by ashleyz2021 View Post

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIERA-TC-P46ST30-46-Inch-Plasma/dp/B004M8SCHO
About to order, i assume its a good deal for the 46inch ST30?

You likely should be asking about a good deal in the other forum We could comment on it there.
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post #6360 of 8347
12/19/11 at 9:02pm
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Our "only" disappointment thus far is its handling of SD material - much worse than on our 50" (Pan plasma).

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I have a Pioneer DVR-57H running through a Pioneer 1121 to my 55ST30. I have tons of SD material on DVD and was really thinking about purchasing an Oppo 93 just in case it looked bad. To my utter surprise, the SD material looks and sounds amazing.... So good in fact that I'm not even considering Blu-Ray anymore.

When playing SD, which component is doing the Upconversion for you?
That is, what Resolution is being sent from the player to your receiver, and then what from the receiver to your ST?

Finally had a bit of play time, and after trying "all" permutations, discovered that By Far the best PQ was achieved by setting the Output Resolution of the blu-ray player to 480p - thus letting the ST do all of the heavy lifting.

Resulting PQ is still far short of blu-ray - and does not appear nearly as good as SD DVDs on our 50" (although am still guessing the the larger size of the 60" ST simply magnifies any flaws) - but at least it makes SD DVDs "watchable."

(Using the "Soft" Picture setting on the player also helps to reduce video noise.)
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